you don't know sydney like I do, the iron cove bridge takes you to the gladesville bridge, yes over anzac bridge through victoria rd. Concord bridge is the main south to north route ,so there are 3 ways south to north and visa versa, over the parramatta "river". You can go to paramatta and avoid any "river" crossing, or just take the ferry from circular quay to manly, and get caught up in the tourist loop, you are welcome

One more lane. Just one more lane.

Baddum tsssss!

nice

Balance needs to be had in cities. Space for vehicles needs to be made and space for public transportation needs to be made. All your goods in a city come from trucks and transport vehicles, reduce the time it takes to get these goods and the price of the goods will come down. Sufficient public transportation is needed as cars are an expensive burden that most people can't afford.

but then how would the people who own the roads get rich?

True, every time I go to sydney I like it less. Traffic is a huge issue. Way to car centric. Allthough it does seem like bike lanes are being built, bur a better metro is definitly needed.

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@@aqidon its underconstruction at the moment. But also there are alot of different types of transportation like sydney metro, sydney trains and light rail around the city to the west

why isnt everyone there driving a e-bike? its warm all the time....and you can have a "umbrella roof" abowe your bike or a hat so you wont get a heat stroke

great point, but there is is also a lot of work ongoing on new lines for the Sydney metro

@@flynncollins6930 well the traffic will not get any better, if the amount being spent on roads will stay that much bigger than the amount spent on public transport

We are building / getting a whole new Metro / Subway. :) it’s due to open in 2025 I believe. It’s a huge project. I have lived in Sydney for 2 years. I came up from 3 years in Melbourne. Sydney public’s transport is quiet good once you figure it out. I take the ferries often and I love “taking a boat to work” the trains are good also. They need do need more trams and more frequent. The Melbourne tram network was fantastic. I love living in Sydney. Amazing city.

Mild!?

Sydney Metro's City & Southwest extension is right next to the West Harbour Tunnel, and is planned to open in 2024. They don't exactly go to the same places but is nevertheless a great alternative for crossing the harbour.

Technically Gladesville & Iron Cove bridges cross Parramatta River, no?

is your nickname at work, Tunnel Bora?

@@andys31337 good one dad

Transit sucks. I prefer my car so I tell my politicians to give me more highways.

@@musqul8566 And they will give you more highways, so you'll have more ways to be stuck in traffic.

@@musqul8566 If you wanna suffer, then suffer, just don't make others suffer for your uninformed opinion.And more importantly: don't make them pay money for it.

@@musqul8566 then don’t live in a city, they’re not meant for cars

Actually, there is (sort of). Sydney Metro's City & Southwest extension is right next to the West Harbour Tunnel, and is planned to open in 2024. They don't exactly go to the same places but is nevertheless a great alternative for crossing the harbour.

it will be full of cars in 6 months, another failure

this is not america

@@shrgn how does that make a difference.

@shrgn it dosent mater where it is , car infra is always a disaster in terms of moving a lot of people and goods

@@shrgn induced demand applies everywhere not just the US

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Sydney needs a few more bridges and tunnels to build resilience into its system. Sydney and NSW has all the resources and expertise it needs to do that. What Australia needs to do is to build out its industrial manufacturing base and turn all those natural resources into products that he world needs.

Tunnel the whole city!

Thank you. An actual sane and rational comment. Not just ridiculous anti car crap hysteria that Fred apparently buys into given the likes this channel gives every comment whining about cars.

Liberals hate cars because they have to pay for them. Much easier to take the public transit that way u can be high on pills on the way to pick up your welfare check

NIMBYs truly are the worse, the halted rail construction in the eastern suburbs and on the north shore. They also arrive after areas that generate crowds and noise and complain despite knowing what type of area they are moving into, Luna Park and the airport are key examples of this

these people also halted bike infrastructure everywhere, not giving the bike a chance of a fair go (with some safety infrastructure), where other countries have successfully integrated bikes into their daily networks.

Just like the people that built houses near Lucas Heights 😂 after it had been built!

thank u for your work

To be fair the critique of "one more lane wont work" is reasonable the rest is bullshit

@@Ethan-zr6ee It's funny that after all mention how the World is small the world is actually still not so small that 1 can also know about every major change what is happening near him.☺

Well… it’s a great video except when he said our lack of public transport. We have trains, buses, lightrail and ferry services. Not that any of them are particularly groundbreaking or amazing - but we do definitely have a decent amount of public transport options available to us.

@@rogeh5687 questionable actually for a lot of people. Lots of buses from the North Shore have extremely long queues in the mornings, to the point of making them unfeasible for people to use public transport. Trains are a bit better, but certainly no seating for a lot of people

@@rogeh5687 Really?😳 Awesome!😃 And I already thought that, apart from the 1 mentioned by the author, everyone is forced to wait for the Kangaroo bags and sleds pulled by Koalas.🤣

@@rogeh5687 I agree, public transport infrastructure has not been forgotten, with the Chatswood to Bankstown section of the northwest metro and the parramatta metro soon to double the rail access to the city from the north, south and west. Plus the inner west light rail along with the new eastern suburbs light rail providing greater access from these areas Sydney's public transport is getting a huge upgrade

I love how you just casually mentioned you were cycling from ADELAIDE TO CAIRNS, like yeah... one day I was cycling to work and went down the tunnel by accident. That's god level peddling right there.

It was you! :)

oh you Adelaide folk 😆

The tunnel is quite well lit. You are a liar.

Our state government is all about taking our tax money, selling off public assets to private sectors to make more money off of us, instead of using OUR money to actually serve us. The road tolls in Sydney are beyond.

We already have a huge railway system… adding in more wouldn’t be that useful.

@@philliplhunter well the sydney rail network lacks a lot of circumferential connectivity.

@@williamhuang8309that is why there is a metro

I'm not aware of the % grade of the end product incline, however I suspect it's unlikely a train could climb out of the tunnel.

Cycle lanes in Sydney are really poor compared to the rest of Australia

I also agree with this assessment, the traffic in Sydney isn't as bad as this video makes out, sure, there are traffic events that cause cars to slow to a crawl but to warrant a 5 billion dollar new road way, is overkill on a massive level. What really needs to be asked in regards to this project is: 1. How many local based politicians will find this new section of road beneficial to them personally. 2. What level of back-scratching was done between the politicians and the construction company, typically, someone will know someone or owe a favor or two?! Regardless, it's a complete waste of money that will eventually come in well over budget, like all government building projects do.

Why direct all traffic through Cities, Australia is empty land, that needs better planning ! Better u use public transport for that ! Alicespings has a Train Station too!

As someone who's only spent the 2nd half of my life in Sydney, I'd disagree about the traffic not being bad. You might be used to it as it's your norm, but come from the outside, or go live somewhere else for a while, and your perception might change :)

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no need to worry in sydney since every new road has a heavy toll attached to it. probably an anecdote but ive heard sydney is the most tolled city in the world. do a lap and youre up for $50. im all for extra public transport infrastructure and that is being built, so im not going to turn my nose up to extra car infrastructure that will greatly benefit the city. australia is a country as large as the us with a population less than a 10th the size. cars are vital, and must be accommodated. but the more public transport there is, the happier i am.

They’ll probably say it’s a “heavy trucking route” and use that as an excuse for making the highway. Another huge highway is backwards

@@iris4547 The size of the country is completely irrelevant. We're talking about urban transport here.

@@iris4547 90+% of Australia’s population lives on the eastern/southern coast and Perth. Most of the country’s land is unpopulated. Cars are not vital

@@elliotwilcox6900 cars are vital once you get outside of those major cities tho, say newcastle, central coast etc, theres only one train line, the bus networks are in shambles and there is no metro's like sydney, melbourne or perth, you are kidding yourself if you think vehicles are not vital in this country.

I remember that as I live in the area it was stunning to see the impact it was impossible to get anywhere by anything accept by foot it was gridlocked for hours in every direction. It is also a nightmare if anything gets stuck in the tunnel which thankfully hasn't happened for a while.

you could not have been more wrong.

​@@tazz347 how is that? Outside of highly developed and populated places such as Europe and Asia where can you find somewhere with public transport as good as it is here in Sydney? A lot of cities the same size or even bigger wish for even a train service and here we are fortunate enough to have an extensive urban rail network as well as intercity and regional rail network

@DJ_CodNub No metros that cross the harbour *in the west* are planned edit: I meant in the west, I have no idea how I didn't write that mb

@DJ_CodNub if you consider the amount of road infrastructure we have built compared to metro it isn’t alot.

@@biosparkles9442 Apart fom the one already built beteem Chatswood and Sydenham

​@@biosparkles9442 What about Victoria Cross to Barangaroo?

@@biosparkles9442 3 comments on this channel. All 3 BLATANTLY WRONG!!! Stop guessing. You’re literally TRYING to be outraged… Like a Karen.

There is a new metro line with harbour crossing opening in 2024.

You mean Sydneysiders? Or new south welsh? Not everyone lives there. We Melbournians are doing just fine.

@@chrish0078 good progress, but more of that needs to be done and less road tunnels and bridges

@@r.uuriintuyah.2053 sorry man I’ll edit it

@@bababababababa6124 don’t. People in Melbourne are like that. I know, I live there.

yeh, Sydney's public transport is bad compared to places with the best public transport in the world but it's still leagues above most places

hell yeah

People in Auckland are such polite drivers. Love visiting Auckland

@@intuitivediane mate what part of Auckland were you driving in haha? we get almost nothing but road rage at Cascades Roundabout. others places in East Auckland are just drivers being stupid or driving slowly.

An agreed design is complete, but Milton's point residents still trying to block this one

Milson's*

@@aussieL14M why doesn't that surprise me

@@aussieL14M The new Mayor & GM are fairly both fairly progressive, so hopefully they can help move on from the noisy privileged strata dwellers of MP. The current design looks OK to me, though I hope they replace the palms that need to be removed on the N end.

sydney just had its hottest summer in recorded history but there still making roads for more cars and not bicycles! at least people can try to live in these tunnels when its to hot to live outside

Same haha

Watching this from London and it's -1°C and bright sun, if that helps.

Same here, watching from Sydney

You support this intercity highway project ? Why not buy a home where you work ?

@@lucasrem have you seen the prices?

Your comparing it with cities from developing countries. Not a fair comparison. Use cities from Europe, US, Japan or China for comparison.

Bangkok had the worst traffic I've ever seen in my life

Sydney is bad. Every city you have listed each of them have the population of Australia living in them.

Glad that everyone in the area aren't NIMBYs.

I spent a week in Sydney and had a car the whole time. I concur, the traffic was not bad at all. Likely due to the fact that tolls reduce the propensity to drive.

They are, set to open(?) in 2025

I mean there are currently 2 new lines and an extension to the current line set to open, only 1 of them is looking at serving a new area though with the extension being a couple extra stations in the CBD and converted train stations. The line to Parramatta isn't too far off the current train line but they aren't going to building many stations, even in places where they would be ideal

they love their cars in america. i am sure some cities embraced public transport.

Also the very controversial Silvertown Tunnel!

@@memofromessexthanks for pointing that out! I’ve had a look and seems like Silvertown tunnel is going to be roughly 12m so a bit smaller tunnel and probably 2 lanes.

Lower Thames Crossing and Silvertown Tunnel can do one, that same money could be spent on decarbonising our infrastructure. If you want a tunnel, let it be Tram/ Bus only...

@@Garner84 You will have more success explaining to car lovers in a CITY that their own self interest is to get other drivers off the road I.E. any forms of public transport means better driving experience; instead of worse with induced demand.

They needed the 5Bn of taxpayers money for the new vaxxine manufacturing plants in Australia, making 100million boosters that nobody wants

Mate you have the worst traffic in aus

We do have some of the longest commutes in the world. Wifey was going an hour 20 minutes each way to the CBD by train.

Agree, people complaining about sydney traffic simply have no idea how bad it really could be...

It's bad. Don't make your city out to be better than it is.

it's not bad... If you compare with Jakarta or Dhaka for sure

there are already 3 metro projects under construction, one of them also has a harbour crossing 1km from where these tunnels will be. The Westconnex projects are duplicating Stroad roads to open up the ability for them to have fewer lanes and be more pedestrianised while the Western Harbour tunnel is opening up the ability for the Cahill Express Way to be closed which is a Sydney Eyesore .

A metro is currently being built as well!

@@anguschilton6022 there's no way they will be Pedestrianised. When northConnex opened, Pennant Hills Road remained a busy stroad, same as the m8 and princes highway. There's no way the government will do that for Parramatta stroad.

You're half right. Metro is already under construction - though, only one crossing beneath the harbour You're correct about the induced demand!

@@lachlanp4198 Of course they wont be Pedestrianised. You cannot pedestrianise main arterial roads in a city the size of Sydney. No matter how much public transport is built the demand on the roads will always be there because Public transport doesn't suit everyone. Not everyone works in an office, not everyone works 9-5 and not everyone travels longer distances just for work. The goal of turning Sydney into to Amsterdam isn't a dream its a delusion. Amsterdam is regional town compared to Sydney. There's less then a million people who live there. Compare Sydney to London, Much more comparable in size and population abundant Public transport in London, yet traffic is still crazy in London.

yeah car based infrastructure is v expensive

Toll roads are just so annoying, especially in busy places like Sydney

@@lotni just one more lane will fix it I’m sure

If you want to reduce traffic putting a toll on a road is going to do the opposite and is only going to serve to create more congestion while increasing tax revenue. This new road connection only serves to create a new source of tax income for the city.

@@bababababababa6124 Idk, it might be, but I wouldn't think so tbh

No tollways in Perth (no pokies either).

The alternative is urban freeways, which become utterly traffic clogged themselves in addition to compounding traffic at entries & exits - and taxpayers foot the entire bill. Complete waste of money to build a toll-free urban expressway. It’s a highway to a ruined city and congestion damnation.

Mexico has joined it self to the US/Canada market economy and it is booming and it has not even entered the next phase of that economic market which will be even more powerful. Mexico is now one of the US largest trading partners and has overtaken China in that regard.

it's still public money that has to come from somewhere that could be used to build better value infrastructure. Still, this tunnel won't fix the problems it sought to overcome. A metro line has scalable capacity and can serve a much larger area, unlike a motorway. Sydney Metro NW is 36 km long, mostly underground and cost only slightly more than the projected cost of the western harbour tunnel which is about 6km long. This tunnel guaranteed will have massive cost blow outs.

Yes, these people talk like it is an either/or situation. We need both car and public transport. And considering the government is investing 63 billion into one of the largest metro rail projects in the world, we cannot say that Sydney's public transport needs are being ignored for the sake of another harbor tunnel.

@@artistjoh 63 Billion for the metro? Im pretty sure it's MUCH less, mabye 10 billion at most.

@@artistjoh there are enough roads there, people will still be able to drive. It's much more efficient to spend the money for more public transport (for example a second North-south metro further West) than to build more roads. Drivers would also benefit, because the number of cars on the road would be reduced

@@nicolasblume1046 it's not far off from AUD 50+bn if you include Sydney Metro North West, CBD, South West, West and Western Sydney airport whcuh are under construction right now. This number doesn't include amounts spent on light rail or additional extensions which are in planning phase still.

I agree, it's a very interesting project with lots of history and different variations

true

Yeah, that immediately stuck out to me as well. Sydney (and indeed the other big state capitals as well) easily beats almost all North American cities of similar size in the scope of its public transport network.

Yeah, they really should have made the harbour bridge one lane. Actually no. No lanes, just a bike track.

@@zyeborm i think I just came

You know that saying "induced demand" doesn't actually make you smart?

@@Secretlyanothername I know, right? The correct term is "induced traffic".

@@synura8086 Induced Dunning-Kruger.

And metros. They forgot to mention that in the video.

As a tourist regular visitor to Sydney it has much better public transport than a lot of major cities here in the UK

You need to travel overseas more (and not hire a car!), then you would realise that Sydney's public transit does a bloody good job compared with many, many other cities.

sydney has amazing public transport. ive lived here for 13 years now and never had a drivers licence. it isnt without flaws, but i can get from a to b purely on public transport without any issues at least until im heading to the outskirts where any city will have problems due to supply vs demand.

Brisbane is amazing, I love everything they do for the people. Bridges to cross the city by foot or on a bike. Walking lanes and bike lanes everywhere. Sydney has much to learn from Brisbane.

@@virgola2126 Yes, a government of the people for the people; not of the bankers, for the bankers.

Cross the city by foot or bike isn't the main priority of Sydney, actually people can walk across the city whenever they like, on the other hand Brisbane has much to learn from Sydney about mass transportation system.

@@virgola2126 the advantage that Brisbane has on Sydney is that it is not as built up as Sydney therefore they can learn from all the hiccups that Sydney had for planning purposes…construction workers fifo into these cities across the country not just in the mining industry

Tell him to dig the tunnel faster. 3 years is a joke.

basically all digging machines across the world are from Herrenknecht. One of the last companies we can be proud on here in Germany. Still family owned, a chinese nightmare, haha.

@@GrimReaper-ly8zk That would be the Chinese, be half finished by now

@@wissenistmacht6685 Agree, it’s a successful company and yes the. Honest are probably worried about this company

@@GrimReaper-ly8zk Currently he’s not part of the project now but he was earlier

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Sounds like heaven, Sydney tolls are atrocious

you're lucky to have sydney in this, absolutely nobody cares about Adelaide's infrastructure

That last bit through Thebarton is going to be a big bloody job!

man that is a ludicrous road. extraordinary cost for something extremely ineffective.

Nah bro trust me one more lane will do it 😫

They're already making train tunnels separately.

The old options include tolls, if i was to drive from Western city suburbs to through to CBD and over to northern beaches, i would end up paying close to $50 in tolls round trip.

@@steveezzeddine9589 you forgot parking at the beaches. It can cost up to $100 round trip. Sydney has turned into a “don’t come here where I live near the beach” city. It’s disgraceful. Remember when the previous state Labor government wanted to extend the Eastern Suburbs railway line to Bondi Beach? Idiots like actor Michael Caton and some residents didn’t want it as they said it’ll bring more “westies” to the beach! I suppose we should all suffer in more traffic. Buses aren’t a good option to get around Sydney for most people. So sad.

Literally he brings us the latest and greatest from sydney LIVE

Yeah true

well if you use the Gladesville bridge, I guess you end up on the Anzac bridge if heading for the cbd & Anzac bridge is closer to the city, so probably looks better for the graphics :)

Isn’t there already a plan to build a metro tunnel near there? If the grades are gentle enough for rail it works be a waste not to.

"Do these tunnels go anywhere near the existing metro?" yes and no. the road tunnels have a benefit of keeping traffic out of the cbd and off surface roads, but there wouldnt be the demand for trains to justify the cost. lets take the northern end point of the tunnel at cammeray, nearest logical centre being st leonards/crows nest. existing rail station, new metro station under construction. southern end being rozelle. nearest current rail station being stanmore, but already serviced by light rail with a rozelle station, and under construction metro station being built at the bays precinct, right next door. a metro tunnel across following the same route could allow people to change at crows nest and go straight for rozelle, but that isnt a common thoroughfare. going through the city is just a few minutes longer. in the future maybe. 20+ years. size of the tunnels is just to allow future expansion. not sure on how they will do it, but the northconnex 9km tunnel was dug for 3 lanes per side and is marked as 2. later they can expand. the existing harbour tunnel was built as 2 lanes per side and is now stuck at 2 lanes per side. this new tunnel will be likely marked as 2 lanes, but has capacity for 3, maybe 4 lanes in the future. unlike the m5 east which was built as 2 and has suffered ever since and has now had the m8 tunnel take traffic from it. ideally a metro could follow the same route, one from hurstville following a similar route to the A3 king georges road/lane cove road/mona vale road etc it has multiple names. hurstville to top ryde, to mona vale could alleviate a lot of traffic on that already congested road and link to numerous existing train and metro stations along the way. much more fitting than a bypass of the city by a km or 2 following the route of the western harbour tunnel.

@@iris4547 I know nothing about the Intricacies of the city, I've never been and don't know more than the video shows. My thinking was purely based on "a lack of public transit" and a "3 lane road way being seen as worthwhile" as a way to assume that the areas linked by the tunnel are actually relevant enough to be a viable transit route and given the space requirements, could be feasible. A kill two birds with one stone kinda thing. What with induced demand, a new road option will only lead to increased vehicle use. Just take a look at LA to see the effects of that line of thought.

@@badbradmx theres no lack of public transit in sydney, as the video suggests, i mentioned this in another comment somewhere where youtubes algorithm deems worthy under this video. the areas linked by the tunnel are more relevant to vehicular traffic than public transport by nature of the fact they are the confluence of numerous motorways. the current option is to send all that traffic into the city then back out again on the other side. this tunnel is to provide a bypass. never send it into the city to start with. but the local areas where the tunnel portals will be dont have strong demand for a public transit link between them that isnt already fulfilled by the existing network.

@@badbradmx no these tunnels are more about taking traffic off the surface roads than they are about increasing car demand. for example, this tunnel is eventually meant to lead into the northern beaches area of sydney. it is currently served by 3 surface level roads, none of which are a motorway. the population of the northern beaches is currently at 253k. all going through 3 roads. this tunnel and its eventual extension will take most of the traffic off of the 3 current roads into the area and allow them to become more pedestrian and local business friendly. this area of sydney has no train lines and there are no plans to build any unfortunately. but the bus system is over stretched and the residents of the 2 main routes into the area will appreciate a reduction in traffic.

nothing will stop the growth of transurban whilst they're in bed with the state government. That's why I'm buying TCL

And how else would you propose that they fix the mess?

Sydney isn't a "global city" the State and Local Council regulations like lockout laws, strip searches at festivals and countless permits ensured that.

The problem with the NSW government's infrastructure strategy is that they deliver big ticket public transport projects AND massive new toll roads; as a result neither are fully perfected modes of transport. The worst of both worlds and somewhat half baked. Motorway projects like this are holding the city back, they undo the progress made by recent public transport projects and hover up future public money that could have been used to develop a full scale metro system and ween the city away from SUVs

There is a ferry network however there’s problems with it like it costing to much money to go on a ferry from manly to the cbd, it should be free

@@ti4383 Not sure on Sydney but yea a lot of cities get trapped in stupid, exclusivity contracts with a ferry provider or two, who then crank up their prices to stupid. City ferries should be run as a not-for-profit crown corp, like public transit.

There is a ferry system. It's fairly extensive for waterfront locations

Yes, can't make a mess of the North Shore, yet look at the mess along the metro south of the Bridge, or at St Mary's for the metro to NBW.

yes, just worry about your little park and not millions of others that the worksite could help

simple state of modern infastructure, very rarely on time or under budget. Crossrail and HS2 are the current poster children for that issue here in the UK, though having gone on Crossrail... it does not deserve any hate.

no, it shouldn't be about silencing anyone, it should be about raising the voices of others. Those locals are willing to get off their arses & organise independent candidates to take out safe liberal seats, so of course they'll be listened to, as they should be. The north shore times (local paper) did a story about this recently & about how many "safe seats" are under threat & how the libs are therefore now actually campaigning in the "safe seats" they usually take for granted. If others want something & think their rights top the rights of the locals impacted by this, then fine, they have voices, they need to use them don't they! There's 2 ways of handling a situation where others are better than you, you can try to pull others down to your level to make yourself feel better, OR you can raise yourself up to their level. Only one of those options is genuinely productive!

Adelaide is booming, recently visited, lots going on, not a lot of people though

​@@lot6129 it has always been like that, we are sort of known as a small town, so like everyone knows everyone we are finally growing in terms of infrastructure and what not but our population is quite stagnate, whether that's because we are known as the retirement state or because we are known for concerts so it is a tourist hub for like a month

Try driving around some day, the city is split in 2 with a waterway between, needs like a dozen of these

It’s a nightmare crossing the Harbour even on public transport unless you use a train which few do as they don’t have rail close by. I’m hoping buses will use this new tunnel and utilize it.

When that Metro line opens up from lower North Shore into inner west next year, that's gonna be massive. Like Chatswood to Petersham in 20 mins or whatever....amazing

I am in Baulkham Hills. So, M2 then anywhere. Has been a game changer.

Changed a lot since then, they redeveloped the 1988 bicentennial projects again from the 2000 Olympic projects to massive lend lease projects, im sure it all looked good in autocad, my only complaint is it all looks a bit samey samey, I prefer the layered sydney with 60 year old buildings wedged up against 20 year old buildings most building projects these days look like an apple store on steroids.

Pretty sure it's already a toll road. Hey remember the like 3 weeks when the m4 wasn't a toll road? That was nice