syringe gun memory leak, mvm softlock fixed? - Jan 5th tf2 update explained

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@shounic Жыл бұрын

full patch notes for the little bits i didn't cover: www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=178064

@TheMrCtoer Жыл бұрын

Is it true that the jungle inferno weapons are now craftable?

@Gamemaster64 Жыл бұрын

@@TheMrCtoer It is true. It was an unlisted change. You can even try it yourself

@jami.j2044 Жыл бұрын

Can someone tell me how to revert the reload sound for the orginal?I liked the old one much more.

@HeavyWeponsGuy Жыл бұрын

HOLY SHIT I CANT WAIT FOR YOU TO REVIEW THE NEW LEAKS

@FlamingLily Жыл бұрын

I like to imagine the valve contractor(s) watched your syringe gun viewmodel video and started fixing it, went into the code for the syringe gun, and were just like "oh dear god"

@linkly9272 Жыл бұрын

i absolutely guarantee this is how it actually happened haha

@ghoulbuster1 Жыл бұрын

I hope that guy gets payed well for his efforts.

@dankmemes8254 Жыл бұрын

"there is more"

@admiraltonydawning3847 Жыл бұрын

TOO BAD! It's still partially broken.

Жыл бұрын

@@dankmemes8254 No...

@Everik-ct6pg Жыл бұрын

1:12 The new reload sound for the Original is actually reusing the “Axe Swing” sound from Quake. They were kinda forced to do this, since Quake 1 doesn't have a reload function, therefore meaning that the Original never had a specific reload sound.

@PeacockLover127 Жыл бұрын

it's just a woosh sound effect it sounds so weird for a rocket launcher

@Padgriffin Жыл бұрын

@@PeacockLover127 yeah I don’t like it either

@lanfour4444 Жыл бұрын

@@PeacockLover127 It's so hard to hear, I physically flinch just trying to remember it.

@snackermantm105 Жыл бұрын

the sound effect makes it somewhat nostalgic Ps: Actually the sound effect was always present before the fix, if you spectated someone in third person you could heard the reload sound mixed with the default.

@AleK0451 Жыл бұрын

@user-bo5ji3fl6m it doesn't have sound effects for reloading though

@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 Жыл бұрын

1:12 Fun fact. Before this change, you could still hear this specific reload sound in third person, if a Soldier with the Original equipped was reloading it and you were right in his face and had your volume basically maxed.

@Goldenleyend Жыл бұрын

Great, now I have nothing of value to contribute to this comment section 😂

@drucy. Жыл бұрын

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 And you're right. Besides the Original and the Cow Mangler, no other Soldier primaries have reloading sounds for other players. Similarly, it also happens with every Sniper primaries, except the Huntsman's drawing sound.

@TheTdw2000 Жыл бұрын

It also happened if you spectated one

@AdamGe Жыл бұрын

The syringe gun is so broken im surprised it even works

@unr34L- Жыл бұрын

Syringe gun actually MELTS if you know how to aim it, I’ve fought a medic I will never forget that I swear to god had needle gun aimbot but was just extremely good at baiting you into corridors and other predictable movement.

@seronymus Жыл бұрын

@@unr34L- how is that melting

@specialaccount7631 Жыл бұрын

Syringe Gun is the perfect solution for a tunnel visioning scout chasing you in a straight line

@unr34L- Жыл бұрын

@@seronymus It does 12 damage with max ramp up, that is not nothing to scoff about with being able to shit 40 out in one mag with fast fire-rate and then reload it all in half a second. You could theoretically kill a fully over-healed heavy or atleast gimp him heavily (no pun intended).

@seronymus Жыл бұрын

@@unr34L- oh that's pretty funny and cool, do you mean melt in a slang sense then like being OP? I am a Battle medic btw

@whynotanyting Жыл бұрын

Huge appreciation for that one dev who is working on these bug fixes. They are small fixes, but the fact that fixes are being made means that someone (internally) still cares enough to spend their time working on the spaghetti mess.

@Dirakiaa Жыл бұрын

To be fair, theyre working together with the Community. Most fixes in the last 2-3 years have been made by the Community with the sole Dev checking and implementing it

@slyseal2091 Жыл бұрын

@@Dirakiaa I wonder if it'd compel the dev to look at team comtress if shounic mentioned the project, since it's rather obvious at this point these videos have their attention

@leonardo9259 Жыл бұрын

A lot of these hotfixes were already im github, i wouldnt give them much credit

@Oyakinya-Izuki Жыл бұрын

The pot plant and the janitor are the ones doing the updates

@theguythatasked6400 Жыл бұрын

@@Dirakiaa I mean, considering it’s one guy who occasionally works on tf2 during his lunch break I’m not surprised he needs a little help

@TheTdw2000 Жыл бұрын

Huh, I always wondered why the original's third person reload sound wasn't the same as its first person reload sound.

@NoSkill_fr Жыл бұрын

Wait there was a third person reload sound that had the right sound before first person huh thats interesting

@Medirby Жыл бұрын

I like to imagine it takes him more time to find a GabeN quote than to complete the entire rest of the video.

@MagdeburgerGartenpartei Жыл бұрын

My life as a software developer: incredibly hard. And I've never written a single line of code EVER -GabeN

@Grayr Жыл бұрын

I think he already transcripted all quotes for eazy finding

@purplehaze2358 Жыл бұрын

I love how the outro wasn't even sentence mixed, it was just Gabe saying "Team Fortress 2" with nothing else.

@javierititin Жыл бұрын

It caught me so off guard and it's glorious lmao

@frinpi7473 Жыл бұрын

"Team Fortress 2" -Newell, Gabe 2:58

@ClonedGamer001 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: The Original always did use its custom reload sound when in third person. Where it was barely audible, but still.

@agrastiOs Жыл бұрын

Barely audible in first person too lol

@KyleBrownIsALoser Жыл бұрын

0:05 POV You are in a Capture the Flag map

@BlakeGillman Жыл бұрын

An ID starting with 4 instead of just using a static flag is a real 90s engine moment lol

@chri-k Жыл бұрын

no, the one byte must be saved

@ghoulbuster1 Жыл бұрын

Remember source is based on gold source and goldsrc is based on the quake engine, and that one is based on the DOOM engine. It's very old.

@Tezla0 Жыл бұрын

It's an optimisation moment

@energeticyellow1637 Жыл бұрын

Ironically 90s game engines ran much better, even on their period hardware. Optimization in video games/software is a lost art.

@chri-k Жыл бұрын

@@energeticyellow1637 i’d bet my computer can’t even render a black screen with a modern game engine without blowing up. And yes, the one byte _must_ be saved.

@TheGamerUnknown Жыл бұрын

I am so happy to see all these bug-fixes for TF2 lately. :)

@chinerpeton Жыл бұрын

The last TF2 dev and the janitor are really hard at work!

@flaco3462 Жыл бұрын

let's just hope this becomes a consistent thing

@NicknineTheEagle Жыл бұрын

Oh hey, I was the one who originally noticed and fixed this Syringe Gun memory leak way back when I was working on TF2 Classic. It's been in the game since 2007 launch.

@Jmcgee1125 Жыл бұрын

There's a similar issue with the prop ID system in Portal 2 which is used in the save-load abuse speedrun category to disable collision on certain props like doors. Not surprised it's also in TF2, albeit with different effects.

@unr34L- Жыл бұрын

Was hyped to see you cover this update, glad to see it out this fast!

@hlibushok Жыл бұрын

The fact that they (just one person) are unspaggetifying the code makes me happier. So many new things in TF2! We now know about The Original's original reload sound and that Sydney Sleeper has a BLU model, and more!

@Suspicious-Carl Жыл бұрын

They have fixed so much, but there is still so much left to go

@godusopp1797 Жыл бұрын

2:22 I had no idea how complex this issue was hahahahaha! I would keep commanding the party to do all kinds of exotic things in order to bypass the softlock of the wave like letting some gates get captured, using the *Loose Cannon to knock bots out of spawn & stalling bots along their route until the next group spawns. No matter what we tried, each attempt would get us stuck on the same section of the wave with only very rarely being a little bit before or after it.

@lordvague Жыл бұрын

Shounic when the game first came out friendly syringes could be "walked upon" by your team mates so if the medic pointed up and a friendly jumped down on them, they could continually jump up and ride the syringes into the sky. Maybe this is what they attempted to fix?

@lordvague Жыл бұрын

Friendlys obviously can't walk on syringes any more, I remember the exploit being patched only a few weeks after we discovered it.

@redstonewarrior0152 Жыл бұрын

As I understand it, the syringes had knockback on friendlies rather than being able to be used as temporary ground.

@lordvague Жыл бұрын

@@redstonewarrior0152 You could jump off them. This was in the few months following beta.

@XxDigitalDaftPunkxX Жыл бұрын

It's still in the console versions. It's how you get to the areas beyond the fences on either side of the bridge on 2Fort and by extension the skybox which is on the RED side. You have to crouch jump noclip a teleporter in the straight staircase to the basement to reach outside the courtyard of either base. Then you have a medic needle boost you right over the wall on to the roof of the main spawn. The rest is just gravity and teleporters.

@CoolGirlAyden Жыл бұрын

//Yes, this causes a memory leak. Too bad! //actually, we need two memory leaks, or we lose the default

@WeldersFSC Жыл бұрын

Some real issues being addressed, even if ever-so-minor. Need to start somewhere, good job single hired contractor!

@jackbob83 Жыл бұрын

My theory about death is that when you die, the black void fades, you see a commentary node, and Gabe Newell says “Welcome to Half-Life Three. After four-hundred trillion years in development, hopefully it was worth the wait”

@Ariamaki Жыл бұрын

I'd imagine the reason for the syringe gun creating that player list was because it originally was meant to be a silent weapon, only audible to allies? It'd fit the gimmick and conceit, and would provide an interesting harassment option for Medics without instantly signifying their position. Between team voice chat and other concerns it probably didn't test as well as it worked on paper, so they scrapped that. It's just a guess but it tracks with the data we've got.

@lanfour4444 Жыл бұрын

That sentence mix at the end must've taken years to form.

@SU76M Жыл бұрын

SHOUNIC! PLEASE INVESTIGATE THAT MYSTERIOUS ISSUE IN MVM WHEN THE TIMER ALWAYS JUMPS FROM 12 TO 10!

@averagespider417 Жыл бұрын

What's in the syringe? Poison? Wrong, Memory leak.

@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca Жыл бұрын

The development team has clearly spend a lot of time figuring old stuff out, and cleaning up small messes. But while these quality of life improvements demonstrate effort and do help the general experience, they don’t really tie into the wider problems of the game. The devs most likely do what they can, and hopefully work that is yet not visible to public is taking place. Else these efforts would be widely wasteful, as the game overall is not in a state where disappearing needles is a relevant concern. But maybe they see a future where reviewing the mediguns code was absolutely worth the effort. We can hope!

@Vexcenot Жыл бұрын

I really wish they make the original reload louder. I literally can't hear it and it's kinda an important sound que

@SylvanEvergreen Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for making these comprehensive videos! I usually have no idea what they're talking about in the patch notes, so these videos are amazing for me!

@Karma_Miguel Жыл бұрын

Clicked as soon as I saw the notification, thank you for all the explanations!

@BlazingShadowSword Жыл бұрын

For a limited time, the soldier was able to rocket jump off of air without the beggar's bazooka. What a sight.

@Davtwan Жыл бұрын

“Team Fortress 2.” *Audience applauds vigorously.*

@bobbyferg9173 Жыл бұрын

Did not expect I’d get an explanation for the MvM game breaking the other day in a new Shounic video but I appreciate it

@seriamon Жыл бұрын

really like how easy to understand these vids are

@bird6685 Жыл бұрын

bird also says update made the Chicken Kiev conflict with the hat slot. bird says this also forcefully unequips the chicken kiev from any loadout slots with existing conflicting slots and bird believes would unequip if quickswitch bugged. bird is upset and request friends to protest.

@sheacorduroy5565 Жыл бұрын

That memory leak was the reason my playermodel mods would crash, at least I think, since I saw it crashed a lot when medics were using the syringe gun, so I’m super glad to have it finally fixed.

@grum7140 Жыл бұрын

How the hell did you make this video so fast? Have you been the janitor all along? Jokes aside, fantastic work as always!

@mad_scientist5597 Жыл бұрын

The syringe gun is such a cool weapon and I would love to use it even more now seeing that it's getting some attention. I think it's actually a genius weapon for the medic and I managed to topscore with the blutsauger on turbine a few times. I think I have a professional killstreak kit fabricator for the syringe gun cause I liked using it, but man the crossbow's healing output is so high that it's insane to not use it, and with every fight I'm forced to rely on melee, and so I die.

@SirPembertonS.Crevalius Жыл бұрын

The quake launcher sound feels so wrong after hearing the old sound for such a long time.

@Sjon_E Жыл бұрын

Do you know if the syringe gun memory leak applied to MVM bots? I've seen medics that run the syringe gun start to experience some major performance drops near the last round. I can imagine a huge list of bots being the culprit.

@ANGH3LL1C420 Жыл бұрын

Honestly that wouldn't be a huge surprise imo. I feel like it's highly likely that the bug also applies to MvM bots for some stupid reason.

@Iron_Soil Жыл бұрын

Tf2 source spaghetti Being slowly untied contunues :] Thanks for the info Shounic! U a chad

@Wok777 Жыл бұрын

And I quote from the source code comments video: "Yes.. this causes a memory leak. Too bad!"

@sigmundfreud7903 Жыл бұрын

It really is impressive this game was able to function at all with the amount of spaghetti in source.

@adrad Жыл бұрын

hell yeah, saw memory leak in patch notes, knew we'll get another banger video

@NymphieJP Жыл бұрын

I watch just to hear what Gabe says at the end.

@nerfinator6 Жыл бұрын

WAKE UP BABE, 61GB TF2 LEAK HAPPENED

@koona1992 Жыл бұрын

As a person who plays Mann Up MVM often. That bug that makes the robots fail to spawn infuriated me so much.

@mehcro3622 Жыл бұрын

1:30 is the pyschology lesson jumpscare

@grogcito Жыл бұрын

The static prop bug absolutely blew my mind. I guess with vscripting you can force entities to change type even if they're not meant to? idk

@LovelySoftSnow Жыл бұрын

this video taught me what "101" in education means thank you (i didnt go to college)

@unit220 Жыл бұрын

tbh I really don't like the original's new sound. Just makes me think there somebody is swinging an axe nearby and it's kind of grating to listen to every time I shoot. I'd take no sound over this and that'd be more accurate to quake.

@sunsetsun9652 Жыл бұрын

It not new sound though

@CoolJosh3k Жыл бұрын

I really like these videos. Keep it up!

@Team_Fortress2 Жыл бұрын

There is a video in my advertisements. 10 advertising videos and 1 underlying youtube video.

@stefel7765 Жыл бұрын

That psychology comparison was genius

@Kacper42PL Жыл бұрын

If Shounic was my school teacher I would be confident in passing the final exams first try. This man is so good at explaining stuff

@el-volte Жыл бұрын

>requests the list of players >does nothing with it >refuses to elaborate further >leaks

@vodkawhisperer3923 Жыл бұрын

im glad they did something for mvm. i would like to see them fix all the other upgrade bugs tho, i would love to see how it changes the game completely

@user-qb9pf5jo6l Жыл бұрын

That psycology course came from left field i was not ready.

@XXSHREKDXX Жыл бұрын

The janitor at valve watching Shounic videos so he can find out what to fix

@seronymus Жыл бұрын

Tf2 always serves up a delicious plate of spaghetti with its code, every single time.

@malfolin Жыл бұрын

2:58 yep "Team Fortress 2" indeed.

@jonsku6662 Жыл бұрын

Rocket: *Becomes a solid object in TF2, making it hit the one firing it* TF2VR: Wait, you're not supposed to shoot yourself?"

@risingrevolt Жыл бұрын

There is no reloading in quake

@lgamer5133 Жыл бұрын

I have little to no knowledge about the technical details of this mess, but it looks cool.

@jzplr Жыл бұрын

You missed a piece of information when explaining the Original reload sound. There are two sound effects for reloading in TF2, the "world" reload sound and the first-person reload sound. The "world" reload sound for the Original was always correct, it made the whoosh sound. The first-person used the stock for some reason. Now, the two are consistent.

@baglespelledwrong8159 Жыл бұрын

very pleasing and helpful visuals as usual

@CiccioImberlicchio Жыл бұрын

dude i really think you should make an HUD for tf2, the style and boxes you use in your videos is somewhat simple and clean, somewhat cozy too, hard to explain

@demomantf2476 Жыл бұрын

I wonder what would happen if You gave a demoman BOT the AI of an sniper bot.

@jami.j2044 Жыл бұрын

Can someone tell me how to revert the reload sound for the orginal.I liked the old one much more.

@airwaveangel Жыл бұрын

there will probably be a mod for it soon

@jange8782 Жыл бұрын

I kinda like old reload sound of original, but at least its nice to see that game is going as intended by the devs

@RigoVids Жыл бұрын

The 4___ error would actually be a cool way to effectively cheese jump maps. Imagine waiting like 300 hours just to be able to air pogo as soldier, hypothetically infinitely.

@joethemanager1 Жыл бұрын

1:14 ...but you can't reload in quake!

@feldspaarr Жыл бұрын

1:12 I thought I was going insane, thankfully that’s not yet the case

@Lethal_Spoon Жыл бұрын

epic gaming bug: if you disguise as someone who has a dueling minigame equipped and use the action key (h), instead of using the item you have equipped, it will use a dueling minigame (probably is affected by having one in your inventory yourself)

@AzureWoof Жыл бұрын

I'm happy they finally got around to fixing the Original's reload sound. I reported that among a few other missing sounds for other weapons on the github, so I'm hoping they get around to those ones too.

@cylemons8099 Жыл бұрын

They have a Github? I thought TF2 is closed source.

@SurmenianSoldier Жыл бұрын

among也能你能年資一捏balls

@SurmenianSoldier Жыл бұрын

@@cylemons8099 github only for bug reports, tf2 is still closed source

@cylemons8099 Жыл бұрын

@@SurmenianSoldier ah got it

@sorrowmg278 Жыл бұрын

Gaslit myself when I heard the new sound because I didn't pay enough attention before to be sure it changed

@myrothiosthegullible6315 Жыл бұрын

Another video from my favorite channel

@GoldenRedder Жыл бұрын

So hypothetically, if I where to continuously fire the syringe gun for the length of a powerhouse match I would be able to crash the sever?

@spazmk4t Жыл бұрын

that outro is perfect

@yachtman87 Жыл бұрын

The Original sound fix has technically been the biggest gameplay patch of 2023

@zeffa2761 Жыл бұрын

can you do a vid on why when some players are killed while taking afterburn, it's only counted as a solo kill?

@petrichor04_ Жыл бұрын

great now the original sounds like my cat throwing up

@eternalmaximum6899 Жыл бұрын

I remember playing on ghost town with one of my friends and they were barely any bots

@blast9136 Жыл бұрын

There is also a huge bug me and my friends have noticed on the map pl_snowycoast and a couple others. It causes multiple objects in the map to be completely invisible with only the shadow remaining. Especially noticable was the entire roof of the "Quonset Hut" right after first checkpoint was see-through. I am unsure what caused this as only some of my friends had this issue. I updated the game normally and varified the files but i think its still a thing.

@schniemand Жыл бұрын

I've been using a mod that fixed the original reload sound as a bonus

@RabbiGoldstein Жыл бұрын

I remember the original being that reload sound from quake way back in like 2015 or 2014.

@RabbiGoldstein Жыл бұрын

That might have been from a mod from gamebannana though im not so sure now.

@vadorrodav4370 Жыл бұрын

They could fix the manmelter's visual bugs, they could fix the fists of steel making gain your medic more uber even after you put them off, they could fix the ullapool caber sometimes not exploding and damaging anyone even when you hit them, but they instead replace the reload sound of the original with a jarring "woosh".

@megabomb523 Жыл бұрын

Funny how u mentioned the weapon bugs in (what I presume to be) in order from easiest to hardest to fix.

@user-vf9qh5rq1t Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the syringe causes a memory leak. Too bad!

@topaz614 2 ай бұрын

0:28 why he look so devious does scout always look so angry

@LordRemiem 4 ай бұрын

1:50 I clearly see why this game is so complex to code. Every sane person to this day would create a class object with a "type" property, instead of having a variable with everything concatenated like a hotel room's number

@unnoticed4571 Жыл бұрын

I ran into the MVM softlock earlier before this patch, so it's good to see that it's fixed Still, I'm surprised MVM got a bugfix in the first place.

@BrokenDiskStudios961 Жыл бұрын

Oh well good thing I only used the blutsager before the update

@keb7066 Жыл бұрын

original reload sound change is the best

@TinyDeskEngineer Жыл бұрын

Valve really needs to upgrade that tank if it leaks so often

@ChesterManfred Жыл бұрын

The funny part is how everyone who's new to the game, who likes the original, will be surprised by a new sound. After, eternity itself and Merasmus' age.