phew! I thought I was the only one to have a little snigger at this.

@@brokengothdoll6203 Never have I sniggered at t'clitoris in my life.

Amazing

@@jontyhamp01 clitoris is a good word....

Had a quick glans over your comment. You seem to have combined two sayings together: "I can't quite put my finger on it" and "It's on the tip of my tongue". Either one works, tbh.

PeterPaul175 Simon would make a great hobbit

Tin tin tin 'T int int tin (I)t i(s)nt int(he) tin

As a northerner I can confirm that's a perfectly understandable sentence

You know, for how well known that phrase is, I don't think I've actually heard anyone say it like that IRL. For example, I would say "i' in' in tin" or /ɪʔ ɪnʔ ɪn tɪn/. A lot of the time, I'd even drop the pronoun

i'in'in'tin

To me (from South Yorkshire) starting with the /t/ from the end of the 'it' would be something I'd only expect from an older person from mebbe Barnsley. Younger people (and those from bigger cities) would usually reduce 'it' to /ɪʔ/ (potentially with an extra-short vowel) or just /ʔ/.

What was’talk about? ‘Plague?

@@bsmith5404 Actually, no. It was about a nearby reservoir. It was intended more for regular residents of the village (where I was living at the time) rather than for tourists.

It is such an unusual sound.

😂 and I just shared with several friends ... party animals

*about't definite article*

@@nostalgiakarlk.f.7386 I like your comment, despite't criminal misspelling of "definite"

He's a good teacher isn't he? A natural!

The Goodies got that from their days on I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again - listen to episode 4, series 6 Trouble at T' mill. It's fascinating that after leaving the north 50 years ago I too have a definite Northern sound. Partly because I refuse to sound poncey with "Barth", partly because I wonder if it's a genetic things. My father was Dutch, and moved to UK aged 30. 64 years later he still had a strong Dutch accent (although when he spoke Dutch his sisters claimed he had a strong British accent). My baby brother was 3 when we moved from Leeds, but has a stronger Yorkshire accent than I.

Hello Giles Also a pom, and my accent I think has disappeared but my children and wife think I sound foreign! Mt T's are occasionally stopped and other speech 'defects' pop out. The strong (ie proper) U sound and certain slang terms hang about and even my grandchildren copy me to make fun of the old pom! They ask me to translate the occasional English TV show - ha ha.

Put t'wood in th'ole was common even in my home town of Blackpool witj its mix of folk from Lancashire, Yorkshire and Scotland etc who moved thinking, (mostly wrongly) there was money to be made out of holiday makers.

I used to hate it when someone would call't internet the tinternet

The Swiss German example is actually what it reminded me of

Native Allemanic Speaker here (upper rhine/black forest area) ... You're totally correct. Somehow it didn't occur to me until I read your comment. It's exactly the same thing, except there's still a distinction between genders. So there's not only _'s_ for das, but also _de_ [də] for "der" (masculine) and _'d_ for "die". _'D_ Mama hett gsait, _'s_ Huus isch z klei fir sie un _de_ Baba. [d̥ ˈma.maː hɛ⁠t gsaɪ̯t s huːs ɪ⁠ʃ ts glaɪ̯ fɪ⁠ɐ siː ʊ⁠n də ˈba.ba], roughly. Mama hat gesagt, das Haus ist zu klein für sie und Papa. Mum said, the house is too small for her and dad. Notice how the definite article is used before names, contrary to standard German and English. Personally, I definitely feel like the article is attached to the preceding word rather than to the noun itself.

@@Hilde_manneigentlich ist der bestimmte Artikel bei Eigennamen zulässig und entspricht dem Standard, da Eigennamen keine eigenständige Kategorie im Standarddeutschen sind. Was aber auffällt, ist der Schwund des Genitiv-s bei Eigennamen, wenn es sich nicht um possessivische Bedeutung handelt und ein Artikel gebraucht wird. Da heißt es dann „Das beste Brot des ausgehenden Europa“ oder schon früher aus dem Niederdeutschen bei der Kopie des Buches „Die Leiden des jungen Werthers“ wurde das Genitiv-s weggelassen.

@@wilhelmseleorningcniht9410, yes, true. ð > d (faðir > fater/Vater). But actually it was /d/ before (ð > d > t). þ > d (þ > t > d) as in bruoþar > Bruder.

s'Baby (neutrally) as well as s'Auto. but dr Papa (male article, high german der) dr Gamer. d'Mama (female, high german die Mama) southern german dialects still today: i gang en d'City ... ;) is so

Im from Yorkshire and Reading that language in a Yorkshire accent feels like im saying it in English (well eest/South Yorkshire English anyway) wonder if it has anything to do with the amount of Daines that settled in Yorkshire

​@@SLINKEY666 That's interesting. I'm not too much into English, dialects, but actually the language of my examples is today most often called Low Saxon or Low German, but it is indeed the modern Saxon language, and should in theory be closest to the dialects of Wessex, Sussex, and those regions. The name changed as there was a Holy Roman Emperor in the middle ages, and because he was mad at the Duke of Saxony (who was very powerful at the time) for not helping him in struggles with Italy, he decided to dissolve the Duchy of Saxony and give the title Duke of Saxony to someone living outside of Saxony. That was actually a quiet big punishment and comparable as if an English king would have totally dissolved Wales, Ireland or Scotland and taken the name from that region and given it to another region. That is why we today have a state in Germany called Saxony, that has no closer connection to the original Saxon people in the north west of Germany, and why on the other hand after a few centuries names like Low German and Low Saxon came up for the original Saxons (in contrast to Upper Saxon or just Saxon of the "new" Saxons). But all this being said: The dialect I wrote my examples in is Northern Low Saxon. And especially this dialect has undergone Danish influence when parts of Germany belonged to Denmark. For example it has lost the word "it" (which meant it just like in English) and replaced it with "dat". That makes it similar to Danish/Swedish/Norwegian, which also use "det" instead of something like "it". Maybe there was some more influence on Northern Low Saxon than just this.

"Gå in" is very similar to gannin which is "going/ going in" in the North East. Really makes you wonder if the North Eastern accents are still close to original Anglo-Saxon roots.

This has always frustrated me! It shows so little understanding of what people are actually saying because you're right, it doesnt mean the, it comes out 'to the'.

I believe this is a lazy comedy staple that goes back a long time. It's definitely annoying (and I'm a southerner).

people always seem to get that wrong for some reason

I was literally thinking of that while watching the video lol

The weird thing is that later in that same routine, he actually does the definite article reduction correctly whilst doing a Yorkshire accent. So he was intentionally doing it wrong.

Wannit, gorrit, avvit, dooit. I do love the Bradford accent, not as much as I love hearing people in Northern parts of Leeds area trying to pretend they don't have a Yorkshire accent though.

@@SLINKEY666 ha you are right! (That’s where I grew up). Though at the time, in the sixties, having a northern accent was seen as uncouth and so my parents tried to iron it out of me. It didn’t work, though after 40 years of living in London I now catch myself saying ‘barth’ instead of bath, which I swore I could never do.

Ha! Right? T'first thing I imagined about after hearing this spectacular information was Tom Scott, he'd go nuts after learning all this

Especially considering he's from a place (Mansfield) that has that dialect feature.

@@iSyriux I don't know if he doesn't know it already. He is a linguist by training.

be going t'town. 😉

Yes your pronounciation of the Swedish fågel - fågeln is perfect

Nottingham is a really interesting accent because it's not really in the North, it's in the Midlands but they have loads of Northern inflections. It's amazing to hear a fairly clear gradient of "Northerness" in accents as you travel up the country.

@@TheStarBlack In addition, Woody is played by Joseph Gilgun, who is from the very Northern town of Chorley.

Is it the same in Flemish? Loads of Flemish migrants moved to the North-West of England to become weavers before the industrial revolution. Lancashire dialect also includes Flemish words like "oud" for "old" etc.

@@pixelfrenzy I don't know enough about Flemish to answer that, unfortunately!

@@pixelfrenzy I don't think Lancastrian dialects contain "oud" because it's retained from Flemish/Dutch. That seems unlikely given that Frisian retains "âlt" and German "alt", all from Proto-G "*aldaz". What seems more likely is vocalisation of L in both languages (like how a Cockney speaker might pronounce "old"), as this is fairly common cross-linguistically (compare Polish, Serbian, Brazilian Portuguese). Hope this helps!

I hear this even in south England and also in South Wales, I’ve never heard gettum, but definitely ge’um.

This could actually be a different phenomenon. In many accents, the 'th'-sound /ð/ tends to assimilate into the preceding consonant. So: _in the_ becomes _in ne_ (/n‿ð/ > [n̪n̪]) _till they_ becomes _till ley_ /l‿ð/ → [l̪l̪] etc.

I live in South Wales and around my area we usually use an r so it would be "gerrum" instead of gettum.

@@NicholasLong1189, /t/ is easier to pronounce after d, t, th, h ...

Spacco Slack Daxon same in Nottingham

Well think again, sis!

Maybe your Great grand parents came from Lancashire?

@@a40a40 My great grandparents were also from the general area of Georgia, Tennessee, and the Carolinas, but a lot people immigrated to those areas from northern England, Scotland, and Ireland. The dialect (and some of the folk music) imported in the 18th and 19th centuries is supposed to have influence the Appalachian--and general southern--dialects still spoken somewhat today, and especially by my grandmother's generation.

Yes me too. I am a lapsed archaeologist :-)

It wasn't that I was surprised by the shift - as you say, shifts from interdental fricatives to alveolar/dental plosives are common. It was just the fact that this change didn't seem to have occurred in an environmentally conditioned way (without looking at older literature), and it's unlikely to have been a contraction (because /ð/ does not contain /t/).

I know what you mean. I have the same experience in the opposite direction. Learning Dutch seems almost like learning an obscure dialect of English: most things just FEEL right.

Is het a definite article? I thought it were a pronoun.

@@SchmulKrieger It is both: it means 'it' if used by itself, or 'the' before words of neuter gender. "Het huis, het is rood". "The house, it is red".

@@lnkvt I thought it were ‘det‘ when article. 🤔

Schmul Krieger no, the definite articles in dutch are "het" (neuter) and "de" (masc. and fem.). In most variants of low German, the neuter definite article is actually "dat" or "det" rather than "et". "Dat" is also a demonstrative pronoun in Dutch :)

As an Oldhamer I’d say that it hits t’nail on th’ead.

I'm from West Yorkshire but I've never spoken with the local dialect. But I think when "The" is the first word of the sentence, it's just omitted completely.

@@robhulluk yeah it definitely can be omitted, may be not always though

I omit it in positions where I can't realistically pronounce it. Though if having the article in these cases is necessary, I'll often just resort to Standard English 'the' or really /də/ So I'd say *_"pub down' road"_* usually, but if I wanted to be specific I'd say *_"d'pub down' road"_*

In the North East for example, 't is never used at all. It's always the standard "the"

There is a pub near me called "The new pot oil" and for years I thought it was referring to a new pot hole. It was only after a refit I saw a picture above the name and it was an oil pot.

I live in a part of Salford called Irlams o'th height.

In Wigan I have never heard "th''garden' or anything of the like. Moreover we'd say "I saw it on th'internet" and not "on t'internet". And I can't imagine people on Bolton, including Peter Kay, would actually say "t'internet" . They would say "th' internet". But I live abroad and I can't check my theory.

I’m from Bury but I’d actually say “AM goin t’ pub”, not “ I’m goin t’ pub. Funny thing is AV only just realised that I don’t say “I’ve”!!!

Good idea. Or possibly “in *that* house” i.e. perhaps “that” replaced “the”?

@@laamonftiboren4236 You've the right idea, another theory regarding how "'t" came about was through the reduction of OE article "þæt" (pronounced "that"), by only retaining the final "t".

It's rather obvious, isn't. I mean they are defined by having no pressure of their own🤣😂😂

lol

There's one on the tip of my tongue.

This probably has to do with the consonants getting elided (omitted) in quick speech. However, English phonotactics doesn't really allow two vowels next to each other - think about the word "drawing", if you split it up into "draw-ing", it sounds stilted. Inserting the rhotic sound ie. "drawring" makes the sound flow. I reckon the same thing is happening with gerrit, purrit, etc.

@Bighill 'obbit ha yes exactly!

Reminds me of the word "moth/mot", which I can never quite figure out if it's meant to be spelt with a t or a th, precisely because it usually just gets subsumed into a glottal stop

There's a similar systemic sound change in Sheffield, hence the demonym “Dee Dah”, but in this case it has nothing to do with unstressed “the”.