T8 PA DD Hsienyang - Ctrl+C

T8 PA DD Hsienyang - Ctrl+C - Ctrl+V

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The Pan Asian T8 Hsienyang is pretty much a Benson, but whether it's worse or better can be argued. For solo play the PA smokes are amazing, yet for a division their short duration is cumbersome. The radar is more of a gimmick at this tier, as you don't really want to trade away the amazing smokes for 15s of radar. You can find my recommended build at the end as usual.

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@Vladimir-hq1ne 6 жыл бұрын

I've giggled at "pretty slightly significantly faster" rudder shift, thank you!

@lars9805 6 жыл бұрын

I love how you excuse yourself everytime in a different way for the pronunciation of these ships

@nicholshim1 6 жыл бұрын

Hsien Yang is a Gleaves class DD. It is supposed to be the upgrade of the Benson class DDs in terms of survivability. It differs only on the positioning of the smoke stacks. This is to prevent the ships from sinking after taking a torpedo.

@UnintentionalSubmarine 6 жыл бұрын

There is a reason why the Gleaves class until the 60s was lumped together with the Benson class in the Benson-Livermore class (initially, later it was called the Benson-Gleaves class). The practical differences would normally have resulted in a singular class, but because of some requests made by the shipyards the class was sort of split in terms of military requisition. It's terribly messy. No wonder it took until the 60s to decide upon making them truly separate.

@Conaik 6 жыл бұрын

Flamu, could you make a update video on the atago? New build, how it plays now etc. I thinking about buying that ship or the tirpitz. I am a dd player and I think the atago might suit me well and give me a lot of credits when I learn the way to play that ship, but your last commentary about that ship was one year ago. Would be awesome.

@Fulmir- 6 жыл бұрын

I think your smoke math is a bit off there because of the time of action of each smoke. The Bensin Smoke lasts for 124 seconds and has a 28 second time of action, which means you can conceal someone for almost 2.5 minutes, but the Pan-Asian smokes have a 30 second time of action on top of the 70 second puff time, which means without Superintendent the Pan-Asian DD actually has more smoke time from first puff to last with 500 seconds to the Benson's 456 seconds. With Superintendent it's 600 seconds to 608, plus the Pan Asian DD has less downtime on its smokes which means it can keep a friendly Cruiser or maybe a BB smoked for basically the first 9-10 minutes of a game on its own. Yes that means it's basically glued to the friendly, but that's a lot of (hopefully) unmolested shooting time.

@vought19 6 жыл бұрын

Smoking up cruisers and especially BBs is of limited use since the smoke mechanics update.

@Fulmir- 6 жыл бұрын

I'd agree with BBs under most cases but not cruisers. Besides that though if you're taking issue with that you should be taking issue with Flamu's entire point since the comparison was in the team-play utility of the two ships, specifically their ability to provide smoke cover to allies.

@joniggemeier 6 жыл бұрын

@Flamu how does it compare to the Lo Yang?

@mmoritz20 6 жыл бұрын

The Gleaves class destroyers, which I think this is was actually an upgrade to the Benson class.

@Chaps_Jr 6 жыл бұрын

The title is clever. I get it.

@GerdhY1 6 жыл бұрын

This ship is a gleaves class

@Pittigpiertje 6 жыл бұрын

"pretty slightly significant"

@Warmaker01 6 жыл бұрын

The tradeoff with DWT's is significant. From this video alone there were plenty of opportunities regular torps would have been great to use against another DD, but for this ship, that's not an option.

@owo5869 6 жыл бұрын

So loyang any good ? anymore?

@jacobtanjinghong 6 жыл бұрын

DUN WORRY DUDE IT IS PRONOUNCED SOMEWHAT CORRECT I AM PROUD REEEEEE >.

@thelvadam2884 5 жыл бұрын

Lul

@alessandrobelleboni9631 6 жыл бұрын

Flamu why didn't you compared this to Lo Yang like you did for Anshan?

@crossfirerambo 6 жыл бұрын

Flamu. Do you think competitive will count the Lo Yang as pan Asian now? if they count it as PA then do you think 3 lo yangs is going to be the go to? well, when competitive comes back anyway

@Lia-ue9kw 6 жыл бұрын

I am somewhat disappointed that he didn't mention the Lo Yang at all, considering she is the direct T8 PADD competitor to the Hsienyang. Then again, since he considers the Hsienyang somewhat... worse than the Benson C hull, may be he didn't so as to not trash the Hsienyang even more.

@grandgao3984 6 жыл бұрын

Again quite perfect pronunciation ;)

@muwatallis 6 жыл бұрын

Flamu, please make a video comparing Fletcher vs Gearing. Thanks.

@repaleonhalo9754 6 жыл бұрын

Tier for tier Fletcher is better.. Gearing does win 1 vs 1.. But slower rudder speed and bigger turn radius are definitely a downgrade

@VasilisFouk 6 жыл бұрын

Fletcher is a better DD than Gearing. If WG bothers to fix the noob-friendly, randomly-shot-AP-round doing ridiculous amount of damage to DDs then Gearing will get near it in terms of power. In general, I consider Fletcher a Tier 9.5 ship. It's really powerful.

@t70xwing 6 жыл бұрын

That friendly Ognevoi is really triggering me.

@Flamuu 6 жыл бұрын

Just follow his movement on the minimap. And he ended up third on my team. Blows my mind.

@Ermy1996 6 жыл бұрын

Watching him in the map i can almost hear running in the 90'.....the shittyfluted version.

@cobrazax 6 жыл бұрын

i guess your team was shit so his 1 cap was enough...

@ringowunderlich2241 6 жыл бұрын

It moved a very long distance, capped and sank at least a Kagero, which was trying to cap back A. So it also got cap defense points. Nonetheless, its was a Potato. No, a whole pile of Potatos.

@mornbar1 6 жыл бұрын

"If" you could be arsed to comment on this guy again. Said comment would probably contain the word "questionable".

@fezzz78 6 жыл бұрын

What? A balanced ship?! Wow, even WG does something right once in a while:D

@Chaps_Jr 6 жыл бұрын

SwedishFox A broken clock is still correct twice a day.

@lasey7450 6 жыл бұрын

why you didn't compared it to the Lo Yang?

@Kestral287 6 жыл бұрын

If it's basically the same ship as the Benson, most players know how the Lo Yang and Benson compare already.

@EF2000Typhoon7LWA 6 жыл бұрын

I know this is off-topic but; What is better Lenningrad or Blys?

@diegowushu 6 жыл бұрын

Considering that there's already a silver Lenin that's pretty much the same (save the torps), thinking on uniqueness of playstyle I'd go for the Blys. But if you want a cap trainer, get Lenin.

@haza4565 6 жыл бұрын

EF2000Typhoon7LWA Well in game the Lenidgrad is better.

@razgriz9714 6 жыл бұрын

If stealth fire was still implemented blys is a choice

@EF2000Typhoon7LWA 6 жыл бұрын

I have already decided to purchase Leningrad, and boy do i not regret it. And thank you all for your answers.

@haza4565 6 жыл бұрын

thats ok

@mishkata348 6 жыл бұрын

The t7 dd is better in almost everything than a t8 dd... GG WG

@chrisw7188 6 жыл бұрын

next patch; marianas torps 1m spotting concealment 2m spotting concealment (with hydro) :D

@DrMacintosh 6 жыл бұрын

The detection on these deep water torps is broken

@la_potat6065 6 жыл бұрын

Yep... Now WG don't have reason - why Japanese torps can be seen from the moon - when they were the stealthiest torps in WW2. Considering they made something even more broken, they better buff IJN torps - to be just slightly better than their counterparts (excluding Pan asian). Maybe 1.1-1.2km would fix them beating slightly Gearings 1.4km torps and other nations.

@samjames2388 6 жыл бұрын

the torp detection has balanced dds but shame wg have had to make a new line to do this

@DrMacintosh 6 жыл бұрын

Sam James I think you misunderstood me. .8km is too low.

@Dynasty0612 6 жыл бұрын

I personally think that the deep water torps should go at least 12km

@ofi1238 6 жыл бұрын

Not sure is WG using this to troll IJN DDs, to give CVs a chance by making some cruisers take hydro instead of defensive AA, or to make DDs more team orientated and screen for the fleet (which will never happen unless in ranked).

@CrnaStrela 6 жыл бұрын

why your voice volume got too low again?

@steeltrap3800 6 жыл бұрын

Nice team of potatoes. As to 'confusion' over DWT, I think you're being FAR too kind to WG. It might help to point out that they have contradictory information on their server pages, with NA and EU still mentioning 'draft' being relevant, while Asia doesn't tell you anything about how they're 'special'. If WG has made up its mind, it hasn't told the rest of us nor made the information consistent across servers.

@cobrazax 6 жыл бұрын

this ship has a torp upgrade from 8km to 9.2km unlike the one shown here

@84erElessar 6 жыл бұрын

Ackchyually Flamu, this is a Gleaves-Class destroyer, not a Benson-Class :P

@TurboBMRProjectLove 6 жыл бұрын

tsrif

@frodobeutling5883 6 жыл бұрын

15 sec rsfar and everyone shoots you. but they shoot another 20 sec after radar and know where you are even when changing your direction.

@Skiesaremine 6 жыл бұрын

poi

@drsch 6 жыл бұрын

I wonder how long Wargaming will keep all the ROC Taiwan flags on these ships before having their game banned from China makes them switch it over?

@vought19 6 жыл бұрын

Are you sure the WOWS Chinese client has ROC Taiwan flags? :)

@diegowushu 6 жыл бұрын

For me line stops at 7. Pretty underwhelming boats from then on.

@chipsterb4946 6 жыл бұрын

A Benson that can’t torp other DDs ...

@flowmar8154 6 жыл бұрын

5th!

@GAME4WAR 6 жыл бұрын

Its ridiculous to compare this ship to the Benson or even say it in the same sentence with the Benson because the Benson is a DD killer this is not because it cannot use torps on DD'S. That is like a boxer trying to win a fight with one hand it happens sometimes if they're good enough but not alot.

@zip7275 6 жыл бұрын

I know you keep saying that you're only able to not hit DDs with the underwater torpedoes but Wargaming site says "So if you're facing other destroyers or shallow-draft cruisers, you may want to think twice before launching your deepwater torpedoes".

@kuhluhOG 6 жыл бұрын

they were testing both, depth of the ships, and class let's see for which one they decided (with the official next update (not test server))

@mornbar1 6 жыл бұрын

So implementing a boom/no boom check against a two digit value(draft in meters or feet) is literally unworkable for the game engine? But ships can run aground... My suspension of disbelief is; hereby suspended.

@bryanmyers9977 6 жыл бұрын

Pronounced She-en-yen

@gordonyz4 6 жыл бұрын

Where is that radar? One game my Ognivoi got screwed hard by a Sheinyang.

@Trades46 6 жыл бұрын

At least Benson can hit DD with torps, but the Hsienyang can't even do that. It feels like a downgrade considering you can't even have defensive AA.

@Wildboy0001 6 жыл бұрын

team wont win is the full normal standart on EU!

@TalycAden 6 жыл бұрын

Sad but true. After retraining my US-cruiser captain I tried to grind my Baltimore the last evening. All matches lost, often, because my team stayed away from the caps. So as soon as I got spotted 4-5 enemies would focus on me...

@batrastardly4574 6 жыл бұрын

Torpedo Acceleration skill? Will faster torps combined with improved concealment produce a synergistic effect? Reducing the range from 9.2km to 7.4 km is not that big a deal. Launching Benson torps at 9.2km does little as the expanded spread and pedestrian speed produce few hits. Odds are the target will alter course/speed and/or the torps will be plane-spotted long before they get there. So 60kt. torps going 7.4km with .8km detection may be worth trying.

@ptmarkoviitanen 6 жыл бұрын

Makes zero sense, because you can use STOCK torps, which are 8km and 61 knots, which I use myself... don't know why Flamu didn't even mention them... I think they are much better than upgraded ones...

@ewok40k 6 жыл бұрын

some teams just cant be carried even by Flamu...

@lubossoltes321 6 жыл бұрын

Flamu, please use whatever influence you have with WG to make them correct the PA DD article worldofwarships.eu/en/news/common/hidden-dragon/ that still talks about shallow draft cruisers ... that's more helpful than you stating the actual mechanics in the vid.

@AhmadAsyraf94 6 жыл бұрын

Feels like a downgrade from Gadjah Mada..

@mavimarmara1886 5 жыл бұрын

5 kill but not kraken

@69vrana 6 жыл бұрын

Seems like Flamu got one of my "teams" this game....

@smoku7588 6 жыл бұрын

TAIWAN NUMBA ONE

@rabidrizon977 6 жыл бұрын

so summary, its sucks ass comppared to GM, and Benson...another example of WG not having a fuckn clue with PROGRESSION>

@jfrorn 6 жыл бұрын

shame about the shitty radar/smoke dynamic. Basically a crappy Benson, not terribly exciting... Seems kind of lazy of wows to be honest.

@michabanasiak2073 6 жыл бұрын

Flamu! 5 guns vs 4 guns. Hsienhyang has 25% LESS (guns) firepower (4guns +25% of 4 = 5 ) from the other side Benson has only 20% MORE (guns) fire power then Hsienhyang (5 guns - 20% of 5 = 4) Mathematics :) .

@michabanasiak2073 6 жыл бұрын

Ivan Buncic no and yes. If you would remove one gun from benson exactly like i said before You would lose 20% of fire power but if you would add one gun to Hsienhyang she woule recievied 25% more firepower. You always takes 100% of guns as a shil base and therefore this is not the same result.

@Sicklehead88 6 жыл бұрын

the object after "Than" is always your reference point. so the benson has 25% more firepower than the Hsienhyang and the Hasienyang has 20% less firepower than the Benson. You compare Object B to Object A.