Take-Down of Thermaltake's Engineering & Marketing

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Thermaltake doesn't get anymore chances to improve its marketing or basic design flaws. We've been trying to privately inform Thermaltake how to improve for years, but they haven't listened.
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Thermaltake's latest virtual Computex showcase featured the Tower 100 mini-ITX case, the Divider 300 TG ARGB, new power supplies, and the Floe RC. Some of these products are actually promising, but Thermaltake frustratingly botches the final stretch of details that would take it from "almost really good" to "actually really good." We're tired of trying to help Thermaltake improve its products via emails and discussions at tradeshows, so hopefully this will help the company wake up to some of its frustrating, repeat shortcomings and mistakes. We want Thermaltake to get better. Good people work at the company, but word isn't making it high enough up the chain. The products are so consistently close to competitive that it's painful to see them miss on often easily fixed issues or quality control problems.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - TT Showcases Inability to Improve
03:30 - It's Different This Time
05:34 - Some of Thermaltake's Misleading BS: Floe RC
06:14 - Thermaltake's Misleading Claims on Floe RC
09:25 - Thermaltake's Tower 100 Case & Repeat Issues
12:02 - Thermaltake's Extra-Dimensional Physics
14:45 - Unbelievably Frustrating Product Development
16:36 - Exceptions to Thermaltake's Mistakes
18:22 - The Tower 100 Could Be Really Good if TT Listened
19:24 - Thermaltake 300 TG ARGB Divider is Almost Good (Again)
21:37 - TT Doesn't Know How to Build a Computer
22:35 - Risk of Perception of Thermaltake as a "Knock-Off Brand"
24:04 - Thermaltake Toughfan 12 vs. Noctua
24:47 - Conclusion
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@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

Support our work directly by back-ordering a GN Modmat or Mouse Mat: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-wireframe-mouse-mat Watch our new Intel i3-10100 CPU review here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNp1gKeA1pOcp3U.html

@thelasthallow 4 жыл бұрын

my ram gets hot through heat soak through the motherboard, when i first got my 6600K i was pushing the overclocks and voltage, then when i tried to tweak my ram it would become instantly unstable at any setting other than XMP stock, when i put my finger on the ram it was hot, followed down to the motherboard, even hotter, then to the CPU. so i would say thermaltakes findings are not unfounded.

@19stealth89 4 жыл бұрын

@@thelasthallow what temperature is you CPU running at that it transfers that much heat through the motherboard? It sounds to me like you have a really bad short somewhere.

@blacklotu5223 4 жыл бұрын

So big question what are best cases you recommend for best airflow ??? & after this will def never look to Thermaltake products over others anymore. I think currently ARCTIC for performance & price gets my 1st look rightnow considering even with that low price making you think "cheap product" has shown to perform in top ranks on benchmarks.

@sirmonkey1985 4 жыл бұрын

@@thelasthallow going to assume you were probably running DDR3 instead of DDR4 which makes sense that it would be hot if overclocking the memory.. but the reality is DDR4 runs no where near the same temps as a 1.5v DDR3 1866 kit would for daily use.

@sirmonkey1985 4 жыл бұрын

@@blacklotu5223 look through the case review videos, there's a lot of them they recommend especially some of the recent front panel mesh design cases.

@andrewprice8241 4 жыл бұрын

I can't wait for the GN "It's not a theory, it's- like, MATH..." T-shirt.

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

The "like" filler word really sells it, in my opinion.

@DrLegitimate 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus I would buy this shirt. Put some various temperature conversions against the background and that's an easy sale.

@cruzerman90 4 жыл бұрын

@@DrLegitimate 10/10 Would seriously buy :)

@jimschofield8734 4 жыл бұрын

...C'mon, you're being super harsh... Expecting a company called "Thermaltake" to know anything about temperatures...... Wait......

@NEZLeader 4 жыл бұрын

@@DrLegitimate I second that sentiment

@Hotrob_J 4 жыл бұрын

I laughed so hard when he pulled the dust filter off to reveal just a plate with literally no holes

@TKIvanov 4 жыл бұрын

lmao, yeah, wtf was that about

@340Hz 4 жыл бұрын

Management probably decided on a checklist of features needed, but didn't give time to design things.

@Superstark70LP 4 жыл бұрын

I was so braindead I didn't even notice it at first

@alminhelex 4 жыл бұрын

The 'pulling air from the fourth dimensions' comment made me chuckle.

@kilianortmann9979 4 жыл бұрын

Well meant is the opposite of well done.

@abs_official 3 жыл бұрын

"Thermaltake is using a time cube which is deploying aside a tesseract to act as a previously unexplored universe within its Bag of Holding where upon air can teleport into existence" Literally fell out of my chair

@dankuchar6821 3 жыл бұрын

I totally believe it. It makes perfect sense.

@mongoosemcmongoose2786 3 жыл бұрын

i'm here in 2021 laughing my ass off at this

@Max_Mustermann 2 жыл бұрын

The best part was the accompanying diagram.

@753238 2 жыл бұрын

that's 6th Dimension right there not 4th... smd

@abs_official 2 жыл бұрын

Flux capacitor: **walks away feeling obsolete**

@robhall5622 3 жыл бұрын

The Tower 100 has finally been officially launched and it looks like they might have listened to you. Retooled side panels with larger intake areas plus a large fan exhausting to the rear of the case. I look forward to your review of it, as it could be a great case if they get it right.

@filipbitala2624 Жыл бұрын

Do you remember when an outside observer didnt have to babysit a design for some company just so it wont be completely incompetent

@sammiches6859 Жыл бұрын

@@filipbitala2624 I remember when people didn't have so much money, they could keep garbage companies alive with sheer ignorance.

@kevinfernandez6532 10 ай бұрын

I just remember a Hardware Canucks video when gigabyte told them they were the only motherboard maker in Taiwan. Their child like treatment of western reviewers is borderline racist.😂

@jack1243star 8 ай бұрын

@@kevinfernandez6532 They are referring to having the actual manufacturing plant in Taiwan (Taoyuan), while Asus and MSI uses factories in China.

@thisnameistaken 8 ай бұрын

This comment cracked me up.@@filipbitala2624 But for real, they should hire Steve as a case design engineer, since he clearly understands more about case design than their actually engineers.

@tommihommi1 4 жыл бұрын

GN: You guys need to improve your products TT: haha RGB go bling bling

@HaanSoIo 4 жыл бұрын

💀💀💀

@jetrpg22 4 жыл бұрын

Take my money /Bling /bling

@React2Quick 4 жыл бұрын

Accurate summary of everything Thermaltake has been doing

@jvccr7533 4 жыл бұрын

That's what makes things cool though? Like MSI's Gaming X Trio line. It's not the triple fan and hefty heatsink...it's the RGB that makes it run cooler than competition!

@adamtajhassam9188 4 жыл бұрын

@@jvccr7533 in all honesty i bought that card cause msi was right about the differnce in how the heat transfers out i wouldnt give msi a bad name accept the fact ingeneral thy charge alot.

@Taterisstig 4 жыл бұрын

So ThermalTake is sponsoring the 2020 disappointment build then?

@bananya6020 4 жыл бұрын

probably

@Th3_Gael 4 жыл бұрын

It's not their product as much as the marketing etc

@dovahkiin009087 4 жыл бұрын

@@Th3_Gael nah its the products too, just as the main brunt of the video explains

@zabuza8548 4 жыл бұрын

Would be fun to see Air entering and doing a 90 degree exit, And GPU looking at the fans with despise and hatred.

@Ikxi 4 жыл бұрын

Cool

@imzbenji9045 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly respect you so much for making videos like this. It's not some bullshit bottle fed(from sponsors and payment) youtube channel. It's real and it's for the consumers, and I think we can all agree that we respect it more than you guy at GN will ever understand. Thank you, everyone of you guys over there at the GN headquarters. I appreciate you all so much.

@darioinfini 2 жыл бұрын

Ironic for a company called "Thermaltake" to be so clueless about airflow and thermal management. I mean seriously, it's really not that hard. Heat rises. Fans suck and blow. Literally it's common sense man.

@petersmulders8058 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like liquid cooling the ram is going to be need in the future when we get to DDR7+ just look how ssd have been getting faster and bigger heatsinks same goes with chip set fans

@justion337 2 жыл бұрын

Heat rising only matters if you don't have airflow.

@darioinfini 2 жыл бұрын

@@justion337 You can overcome rising heat with downward air flow but why would you work against that? If you're going to push air from point A to point B, point A might as well be the lower of the two to aid the process, not work against it. Again, it's not rocket science man. I mean, it CAN be, but doesn't have to be. Follow a few simple rules of thumb and that should take care of most of it.

@Ashitaka1110 4 жыл бұрын

When he flipped the case over, and there's a dust filter covering...solid steel. What.

@Lishtenbird 4 жыл бұрын

That's called Hyperart Thomasson.

@i-hate-handle-names 4 жыл бұрын

Time cubes man, ain't gotta explain shit

@whiskeythefox1060 4 жыл бұрын

...

@lauridscm1 4 жыл бұрын

@@i-hate-handle-names I'm on the second corner

@stopdropandroll 4 жыл бұрын

flashbacks of the verge build

@blu3fan 4 жыл бұрын

"it's not a theory.... it's math"... This is why I keep coming back.

@Rhino42680 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely perfect statement like David Vizard, "I don't have an opinion, I have a dyno".

@legendaryash 4 жыл бұрын

but he knows that theory

@jason19872011 4 жыл бұрын

That was the most epic moment in youtube tech channel history.

@Pavaroso 4 жыл бұрын

T-shirt?

@tresnugget 4 жыл бұрын

I laughed so hard

@tryAGAIN87 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so pleased to see the industry reviewers finally bite back. These companies DEPEND on the reviewers for recommendations. And now, so do the customers. But because the customers now pay the reviewers directly and support them through other channels such as youtube ad views, patreon and self produced merch etc. The companies now have far less sway. It's great to see a single man shred a conference call full of company execs like that. Well done

@julianbueno699 3 жыл бұрын

For me the best thing is that the temperature reduction could be compared to room temperature! If the room temperature (from now on, Tr) is 25ºC, fan cooling can only make temperature go as low as to 25ºC, so 25ºC should the reference value in my opinion (no other passive cooling method can beat Tr, so lowering the temperature to Tr is best case scenario, so let's say 100% performance). Therefore, going from 49 to 39 using 25 as reference would mean 42% reduction! They could have marketed even better but they didn't!

@zagan1 2 жыл бұрын

His kelvin example is actually wrong. And kelvin is the thermodynamic temperature properties of water.

@Adrian-pp6qy Жыл бұрын

@@zagan1 yeah kelvin example was just nitpicking, especially since it's more likely used in physics than real life. In real life, in your room you do care about how cool you can keep your cpu while you're sweating in 30C during summer. If you can keep it around 60C under stress instead of 90C, that's a win, since it's a 33% better value (i guess). I can't give a flying fk about how much % it would be on an intergalactical scale...

@ShadowlessDeath47 Жыл бұрын

A better example than Kelvin would have been Fahrenheit. Totally changes the percentage as well.

@ragnnohab Жыл бұрын

@@Adrian-pp6qy Yeah but if they did that you'd miss out on that Reddit Gold autistic explanation that totally schooled a sales rep.

@tjcmoto5484 4 жыл бұрын

WTF is that dust filter that covers a full piece of metal. I couldn't imagine designing something like that and a company building it. It would be like a construction worker putting a door in front of a brick wall.

@georgf9279 4 жыл бұрын

Oh there are plenty pictures of stuff like this. Balconies with no door to access, stairways to nowhere...

@sulphurous2656 4 жыл бұрын

Fans that are covered by a glass front panel.

@musek5048 4 жыл бұрын

@@georgf9279 winchester house

@MrMagoo-no5lb 4 жыл бұрын

Dude, this is why I don't deal with TT anymore. They market gimmicks to trick people and don't even have the competency to complete a product before releasing it to Media review. Sad...

@Obliveater95YT 4 жыл бұрын

Clearly you have no experience with the 4th dimension.

@michaellesak6912 4 жыл бұрын

OMG, im dyin with that 4th dimensional air flow theory!

@hello_user2685 4 жыл бұрын

michael lesak 4th dimensional airflow math

@kevin9218 4 жыл бұрын

Just wait for their next gen 5th dimensional water cooling products

@obeliskt1024 4 жыл бұрын

it's not a theory, it's math

@spun_01 4 жыл бұрын

I'm looking forward to getting my hands on some of that breathable steel too.

@Blox117 4 жыл бұрын

fun fact: the human eye can only see 2 dimensions

@SquaresToOvals 2 жыл бұрын

12:20 This is a good example of over-engineering where a simple slipgate drawing air from the elemental plane of air would have been much simpler and more economical.

@tizzledexter6260 3 жыл бұрын

Love how in depth you guys go. I will say they must have taken some of your advice as the current versions im seeing have alot more ventilation on the tower 100

@MaxBaltzer 4 жыл бұрын

"It will pull air from the fourth dimension" Jesus Christ, I almost spit all my coffee.

@35764G 4 жыл бұрын

Haha the filter against the steel though!

@tgdxdrakoon7019 3 жыл бұрын

Which timestamp? I think i missed it!

@NPzed 3 жыл бұрын

@@tgdxdrakoon7019 Steve said it at 12:07

@JAGUART 3 жыл бұрын

Lies, damned lies, and Thermaltake.

@jdhelfrich 3 жыл бұрын

@@tgdxdrakoon7019 How did you miss it?!?! There was a whole sequence about generating air using the Tesseract and a bag of holding lmao

@maximravinet9950 4 жыл бұрын

"I undestrand your theory" "it's not a theory, it's like... math"

@seananderson5850 4 жыл бұрын

It is theory. It's a theory on how to sell shit. Guarantee 90% of people building a PC pick the shiniest one with bold claims that it will work.

@lrmcatspaw1 4 жыл бұрын

Stevo went full gansta there.

@berniculus 4 жыл бұрын

I have a theory that 1 + 1 = 2 in the base 10 number system its groundbreaking and controversial.

@Brianreese83 4 жыл бұрын

this is why I love GN

@aritude1 4 жыл бұрын

This slayed me.

@dana2750 3 жыл бұрын

I love how brutally honest you are Steve, thanks for all the great videos and not spitting out BS just to make a video.

@jameswilson9936 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, would love to see an updated review for this case now that it has been released. They appear to have added many changes including ventilation on both sides of the case, and the bottom also.

@harpoon_bakery162 2 жыл бұрын

Can you let me know the model number to which you refer?

@jameswilson9936 2 жыл бұрын

Just to add, that the airflow is a lot better due to the changes made, however GPU can still get a little toasty.

@Whattonamemychannel 3 жыл бұрын

i laughed so hard i cried when he showed the diagram of the 4th dimension. The best part is that steve actually cares about TT, they just screw it up completely.

@MrNuserame 4 жыл бұрын

The silliest thing about the '20% cooler' claim is, if they just used delta over ambient, that percentage would actually be *higher* as most rooms are above 0 degree celcius

@Danfranschwan2 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly... and more meaningful

@La_sagne 4 жыл бұрын

ambient being 0% and the average temp at which thermal throttling might occur being 100% would be a nice sensible scale

@Sakkura1 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's over 40% that way. They're such dumbasses.

@RMJ1984 3 жыл бұрын

Could actually be interesting having a big square tower like this, with like a 400 mm fan at the top and at the bottom, so the case basically becomes one big air tunnel

@slavefeet57 3 жыл бұрын

The best part about this; They're known for their incredibly oversized Fans, that you can't get replacements for when they burn out. IDK how this wasn't the design idea to begin with.

@Nareimooncatt 3 жыл бұрын

Have it self mount to the ceiling from the vacuum/thrust of the fans?

@martinflaten5005 3 жыл бұрын

4x 120mm fans would be better and easier to replace, and i sure do like the idea!

@cmja09 3 жыл бұрын

@@slavefeet57 They actually sell 20cm thermaltake fans in my country, southeast asian here.

@seriouscat2231 2 жыл бұрын

Someone should do a video on fan laws. There are a few interesting mathematical relationships between voltage, power, rpm, cfm, area of the fan, speed of the outer edge of the fan blades, number of fans and finally noise. Added to that is the thickness of the fan and pressure curves. Then bearings and switching noise. Basically, going from one 120 mm fan to four 120 mm fans you quadruple the airflow but add 6 dB to noise. Going from one 120 mm fan to one 240 mm fan you again quadruple the airflow but the noise increases about 20 dB. If you halve the rpm of your 240 mm fan you get the noise level of the original 120 mm fan but still double the airflow. With four 120 mm fans you only need to decrease the rpm by 1.26 times to cancel the 6 dB increase and have the noise level of the orginal single fan, but you still have about 3.2 times the original airflow.

@bonusflaps1749 2 жыл бұрын

“It’s not a theory, it’s like math”. That really cracked me up.

@thehypercovery 4 жыл бұрын

Holy crap Steve, that 4th dimension tesseract roast was insane. You're really mad at them😂😂😂

@tobalaz 4 жыл бұрын

Now all I can see is TT employees randomly screaming "hail Hydra!" as they walk about their day.

@ploquinn 4 жыл бұрын

The bag of holding part killed me

@kepler1175 4 жыл бұрын

thehypercovery Steve’s remarks are always the best of the best

@jaymz168 4 жыл бұрын

Hats off to anyone who can work the "Time Cube" into a hardware review lmao

@tinitis4144 4 жыл бұрын

The fools! Haven't they seen Event Horizon?!

@captianmorgan7627 4 жыл бұрын

"It's not theory it's, like, math." Thank you. A visual representation of the math for people who like to see the numbers: (49C-39C)/49C = 0.204 = 20% The above converted to F (instead of Kelvin): (120.2F-102.2F)/120.2F = 0.149 = 15% Same temperature, different scale = different %.

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the footnote/appendix item! Hope this helps visualize it.

@tommihommi1 4 жыл бұрын

and for extra confusion, let's do delta T over ambient to make the percentage look bigger

@slowtrigger 4 жыл бұрын

TT should could even improve this further and bring back those great 1700's temp scales, such as Rømer scale: (79.05Rø-60Rø)/79.05Rø =0.2409 = BAM, 24.1% increase in cooling performance.

@peejay1981 4 жыл бұрын

I get the point here but I think he's overdoing it. It might be scientifically wrong, but most people wouldn't understand that or care. The bigger issue imho would be asking for proof of longevity or performance increase. You can't argue semantics on that one, because neither happen. (Except on highish end server stuff)

@nfreddyyy 4 жыл бұрын

Yes I don't see what's wrong here. It is 20% cooler relative to its before operating temperature?

@dro_da_mobb Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate your channel, as I am getting ready to build a rig for the first time (instead of buying a new gaming laptop again), and these videos really do a good job of letting me know whose products to avoid, amongst everything else you guys are teaching me.. so kuddos to you!

@dro_da_mobb Жыл бұрын

Was considering the THERMALTAKE LIQUID CPU COOLER WATER 3.0 ULTIMATE for cooling, but I don't think so!

@zeshwonsos 2 жыл бұрын

You're killing it, thanks for the great content over the years, keeps getting better, excited for the detailed PSU and fan tests.

@racooley 4 жыл бұрын

How did you not name this video "Thermaltakedown"?

@lapierre002 4 жыл бұрын

Under rated comment, bravo.

@TheRogerbacon 4 жыл бұрын

This comment is ThermalTake

@jm8080ful 4 жыл бұрын

Total missed opportunity

@Henry_Jr_Watsson 4 жыл бұрын

Lawsuit

@FeeLtheHertZ 4 жыл бұрын

Because they don't have you helming the marketing team, for video titles. Send in a resume!

@joshuaalan7580 4 жыл бұрын

" I don't think Thermaltake has anyone who knows how to overclock memory, they probably outsource it" holy shit Steve this video has nothing but headshots

@MaddDogg316 4 жыл бұрын

Everyone is talking about the "math" line but when he said this, I had to pause the video. That burn was so bad, I got 2nd degrees just by being in close proximity.

@josueduran6881 3 жыл бұрын

Nice catch bob ross😂

@vali69 3 жыл бұрын

Headshots with armor penetrating incendiary bullets

@stevethea5250 3 жыл бұрын

@@MaddDogg316 SO WHY CAN YOU USE KELVIN BUT NOT CELSIUS

@kebekbutcher 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevethea5250 we could also use Rankine degrees, but Celsius, Fahrenheit and Réaumur degrees goes into the negative and don't start at 0...

@thSiCKO 3 жыл бұрын

Would love to get an actual review on this case now that Thermaltek has made some possitive changes to its design.

@robrath31 3 жыл бұрын

You made the TT 100 mini ITX case better, and for that, I've bought one. Glad they heard you!

@lachoneu2 4 жыл бұрын

I want a ,"it's not a theory, it's like MATH." T shirt. 8:14

@TheXimena711 4 жыл бұрын

There are bots that scan the internet looking for comments that say "I want (insert quote) on a shirt" or something similar. You may actually soon see one if you are start looking, but Steve will get no profit of it EDIT: Unless he makes his own

@JooJSilvZ 4 жыл бұрын

DE-DE-DE-DE-DESTROYED!

@LerRhann 4 жыл бұрын

I would buy that.

@funkmon 4 жыл бұрын

I'll buy that.

@Permafrost_13 4 жыл бұрын

i'll buy one too

@Ndetonados 4 жыл бұрын

"it will pull air from the fourth dimension" not gonna lie, lost my shit with this phrase

@adamambler5915 4 жыл бұрын

Only one problem with that statement... The fourth dimension is time.

@liveriesfsx9352 4 жыл бұрын

@@adamambler5915 there is nothing wrong with this statement. Thermaltake managed to pull the air from the future and push it to the past, eventually in opposite direction when you flip the fan. ;-)

@General_Griffin 4 жыл бұрын

@@adamambler5915 Only one problem with your statement... Space and time are the same thing.

@adamambler5915 4 жыл бұрын

General Griffin spacetime Is a separate concept to space and time. Spacetime is a concept that fuses space and time into one thing and the effects of this (warping the two equally) can be seen but on extremely large and heavy objects like moons and planets which this pc is not. Calling space and time the same is contextual but not the fundamentally the same thing which is why we have separate dimensions for space and time. Either way, pulling air from time makes no logical sense. From the past where the air has already been blown away? Or has the air been travelling from the past near the speed of light within the case so that it can ‘move’ forward in time at a different pace which would superheat the air and cause an explosion of some kind from the extreme expansion of gasses not to mention that it requires the spacial dimensions to do this which it does not have. Or from the future which is literally impossible as proven in general/special relativity that you use. These scenarios require spacial dimensions and you would no longer be pulling air from time but using time to get spacial objects. Time literally does not have the spacial requirement for a fan to pull air and thus makes the concept of pulling air from the fourth dimension impossible. Space and time are fundamentally different dimensions that do not work in the same way.

@adamambler5915 4 жыл бұрын

Liveries FSX this makes no logical sense as I explained is a separate reply

@alpinestars-wm8rv 2 жыл бұрын

Great work GN, yet another informational/entertaining post. I’m about to build a Corsair Obsidian 1000D and I’d really like to fill it with TT’s Riing Trio fans but their software puts me off! I wanted their Pacific CL Rads too, but…. I’ve read a lot of reviews regarding leakage, now I don’t know what to do, LOL… “So close!”

@zeekmx1970 3 жыл бұрын

I love this video because the TT 900 I received had fixed and upgraded every issue mentioned here about the TT 900 model and was already preassembled in the box. Impressive magnetic mesh screen in every spot with the ability to add personal 3M filtering. Todays longer AIO Tubes allowed me to complete my dream build of 100% eye candy wrapped in a Stealth Bomber. When the geek squad came to install a TV they couldn't resist taking a photo.

@Arashmickey 4 жыл бұрын

The Tower 100 bottom fan will not be obstructed because they're replacing the PSU with an Artosis Pylon.

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

So glad someone brought this reference to a GN comments section!

@redheads604 4 жыл бұрын

slow claps

@WTP_DAVE 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus hey man one pylon 5 gates just sounds like efficiency to me

@Aereto 4 жыл бұрын

The only successful bottom fan is a Dyson Bladeless Fan design. And only a PC case design maverick would be so crazy as to make a case that also act as a bladeless fan and space heater.

@nohbodhi1120 4 жыл бұрын

I am both happy and sad that I understand this reference

@chubbysumo2230 4 жыл бұрын

Steve, you need to make a computer case. It would be totally over-engineered, totally Overkill, but it would probably be quickly one of the best cases on the market. A very low Frills, low show, function over form case. Do it.

@georgf9279 4 жыл бұрын

Partner with Roman to make sure it is actually over-engineered.

@devindykstra 4 жыл бұрын

They mentioned this in the past, supposedly it's a nightmare to manufacture, especially profitably.

@MrSamuelspark 4 жыл бұрын

@@devindykstra It'd be cool if they partnered with someone like CM and got it done though.

@Kholaslittlespot1 4 жыл бұрын

No, Steve and BZ should design literally everything :D

@802Garage 4 жыл бұрын

They could partner with a company. Make a Gamers Nexus by Phantek case or some such. Make 5% per case sale? Would be boss.

@Thwolfwood1981 3 жыл бұрын

If you don’t make a “it’s not a theory, it’s math” t-shirt, it will be a missed opportunity.

@bradeinarsen 2 жыл бұрын

Loving this video. I have a Tower 100 and I absolutely love it (although anything above 3060ti still thermal throttles). Apparently I have you to thank that this case breathes at all. :D

@hardcorehardware361 4 жыл бұрын

"Its not a theory its math" Steve Burke 2020

@JarrodsTech 4 жыл бұрын

So good 😂

@chrism6880 4 жыл бұрын

My favorite line from Spiderman: FFH "Yeah. It's math."

@EhrgeizTV 4 жыл бұрын

Made me chuckle.

@xnoreq 4 жыл бұрын

The sad part is that in science a theory is the highest achievable goal and has nothing to do with the colloquial meaning of the word "theory".

@Zannooda 4 жыл бұрын

The funny part is that TT would be absolutely correct to present the results as percentages only if they'd compared Deltas instead of temperatures, since in case of ΔT the units don't matter... And the funniest part is that if they'd compared Deltas, the percentage would be even higher... :)))

@i3ulletstorm16 4 жыл бұрын

8:11 TT: "i know your theory, yeah" GN: "its not a theory, its like math"

@MichaelChaconchacon 4 жыл бұрын

Best part of the whole video

@BuhNanaz 11 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this! I was looking at the Tower 100 and had no idea about the lack of air intake.

@gintozlato1880 6 ай бұрын

That was fixed by the time it was launched, this video is 3 years old.

@BuhNanaz 6 ай бұрын

Well, that's a relief!

@MutinyInteractive 2 жыл бұрын

All though I’m even MORE HAPPY VIDEOS LIKE THIS are keeping them honest, or at least helping it’s customers this way

@DragonSlayerKyo 4 жыл бұрын

"I'm mad, not disappointed"- Steve, June 2020

@waffle911 4 жыл бұрын

Steve doesn't seem to get mad at bad products. He only gets mad at almost good products that fall short for stupid reasons.

@AaronShenghao 4 жыл бұрын

Steve: What are you going to cool it with? TT: With hopes and dreams...

@Kholaslittlespot1 4 жыл бұрын

ThermalTakeYourCash&run

@TheSjuris 4 жыл бұрын

AaronShenghao are those the same hopes that include having a Swiss Army Knife with a Phillips head screwdriver?

@varanidguy 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, I really love the look of this case too. Was considering it for a mini-ITX build for my wife's work computer, but not if it's essentially going to be an oven for components.

@VK-tb4yk 3 жыл бұрын

Was considering Thermaltake parts and some cases but now have lost lot of faith and willingness to waste money when there are better products from different companies so thank you for the video showing their shortcomings and making me hve a deeper look into their products.

@newCrysis 3 жыл бұрын

so they put a filter over a solid metal area. No one said " why? " really?

@schwig44 3 жыл бұрын

"Who'll look under there? It'll be fine"

@WBizarre 3 жыл бұрын

It's not uncommon to show pre-production versions of products at trade shows in closed-doors meetings with buyers etc.. Clearly they intend for the final production version to have ventilation in that area. Likely due to time constraints they didn't have a perforated panel ready, but that doesn't matter due to the other issues pointed out in the video.

@mikechambers9129 3 жыл бұрын

The "pre-production" excuse just doesn't fly. This is a situation where marketing is trying to lead product management, rather than informing PM. A case doesn't have many mission critical objectives. One central objective is to adequately cool the heat generating components inside. If it doesn't allow for that, all the looks and lights are simply polishing a turd.

@BobT36 3 жыл бұрын

@@WBizarre So delay the fooking case? Why squeeze out a turd like that?

@stevethea5250 3 жыл бұрын

@@schwig44 STAMP?

@aflyingmodem 4 жыл бұрын

Can we get a limited edition "Why design for airflow when you have 4th dimensional cooling" shirts please????

@bluephreakr 4 жыл бұрын

Or just Steve having fun with the idea of 4th dimension cooling as a shirt in Blender, and stylizing it so it's old-timey with a figure / exhibit caption on it.

@jeremyfarland744 4 жыл бұрын

I just want a nice font that says "Triple filtered mesh design ™️". The rear of the shirt is just solid black.

@MrMagoo-no5lb 4 жыл бұрын

Seconded! 👕 GN, get on this! We will buy 💲💲

@bluephreakr 4 жыл бұрын

@@jeremyfarland744 So how about them LEDs on video cards?

@PhrontDoor 3 жыл бұрын

Finally! Thanks for someone finally covering the temperature "percentage" issue.

@southpaw117 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't know about any of this until I told my buddy that I bought the Core P3 in black. Interesting to learn, given how many Tt cases I almost went with before I discovered the P3 and fell in love.

@Starscreamious 4 жыл бұрын

I'm still waiting for Steve to make his own case.

@simpson6700 4 жыл бұрын

i really want to see him design one. but he'd probably only present his ideas once he got a contract with a manufacturer.

@MiGujack3 4 жыл бұрын

@Gareth Tucker I wonder about the build quality. Most cases use the worst USB and 3.5mm jacks available, nobody talks about that. The same goes for the expansion card rear frame.

@blodus4521 4 жыл бұрын

He'd have to partner with some company and it would jeopardize the integrity(from an optical standpoint) of any reviews he did of their products afterwards.

@blahblahblah1787 4 жыл бұрын

@Gareth Tucker That sounds perfect. Mesh really is the way to go.

@Thoringer 4 жыл бұрын

@cesar arias they can have RGB as long as the light they emit is black!

@baggle8203 4 жыл бұрын

It’s getting hard to thermaltake this company seriously

@baxr92 4 жыл бұрын

I'm so angry. Take my like.

@SangheiliSpecOp 4 жыл бұрын

@@baxr92 I'll leave an angry like as well

@darylp2380 4 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment!!!

@adamtajhassam9188 4 жыл бұрын

glad i never bought from them :)

@balesjo 4 жыл бұрын

I was reminded why I stopped using (and even considering) Thermaltake products years ago. Thanks for the reminder.

@garybroadhurst3548 3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Core V1 mini-ITX case is also an excellent product from Thermaltake that you didn't mention. It has none of the problems you found in this review - airflow is excellent and it's cheap and rather unique (I can't think of any other true 'cube').

@reflectionpoint 3 жыл бұрын

I remember building my first P4 system from a PowerEdge tower and buying the Tt copper RAM heat spreaders because they looked cool. They did jack to cool anything or improve performance. They looked cool, though. Glad 20yrs later they're still selling solid effective products.

@conza1989 4 жыл бұрын

I hope this video does really well. My first enthusiast case was a Thermaltake Xaser VI with a BigWater 780E, did a basic open loop between it and my i7 950. And I liked the case, and I want them to make great products again, not just ok ones, I totally agree with you, they are very very close to making good products, so then they can go on to make great products. Thanks Steve and GN, this stuff is why I am a supporter of the channel.

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

We really, really want to see them make that final step. Someone up high isn't listening, and hopefully this gives the lower ranks enough ammunition to push for change.

@jamiesimpson-harthill5586 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus have you never considered designing your own case in parntership with one of the manufacturers, i'd love to see an msi gamers nexus edition case. ( i only say msi cause all of their cases get bad reviews from you)

@NightMotorcyclist 4 жыл бұрын

Thermaltake has always been the cheap brand, even their higher end products are chintzy but come with a far higher price. Found out the hard way when I bought a Thermaltake Tsunami Dream that looked nice and high end only to be cheap on the inside. They'd be right at home making cheap Chinese smartphones or cars where the Chinese people are easily duped into buying and pretend it works as good as the reputable brands but the rest of the world sees differently.

@BlackRedDead1943 4 жыл бұрын

Steve, your "rants" are so friendly, they could be mistaken as flirts! xD

@Kholaslittlespot1 4 жыл бұрын

It got me pretty frisky

@StevenMussels 4 жыл бұрын

It's the way he flicks his hair around

@OppirompaMiDotCom 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for teaching me how to correctly calculate thermal efficiency ❤️

@Xenos_AR 3 жыл бұрын

i'm glad i saw this vids before even considering buying the case. thanks GN!

@O13xRoxas 4 жыл бұрын

"It's not, like a Theory... IT'S MATH" That didn't sink in, and Steve is talking with people that do this for a living...?! >.>

@Asdayasman 4 жыл бұрын

Marketers? Yeah.

@Pompey_Sr 4 жыл бұрын

Asdayasman that man wasn’t a marketer.

@internetdownloads6898 4 жыл бұрын

12:02 - Thermaltake's Extra-Dimensional Physics (Definitely one of my favorite top 100 burns of 2020)

@blackvenges 4 жыл бұрын

We need a 4th dimension shirt

@kaylons 3 жыл бұрын

I want a Timecube T-shirt

@tertiaryobjective 2 жыл бұрын

I love the old school Thermaltake Armor VA8000 series case, I have 4 of them now. I spent a lot of time looking at the new cases they have, none looked good to me. I love the classic TT Armor.

@RicoZaid_ 3 жыл бұрын

"It's not a theory, it's math." HAHAHA love it.

@EmilyRose0 2 жыл бұрын

He did not understand shit. It was just a way to say "STFU I do not care".

@JohnSmith-iv4fp 2 жыл бұрын

Forgive me for my ignorance but I actually find what Thermaltake did with their numbers and temperature faily reasonable. I mean like for a system that is meant to exchange heat with the air around it, shouldnt we be using delta T of 0 being the bottom limit not kelvin? Like the maximum theoretical best temperature you can get your components is ambient temperature. It dosent make sense to go any colder then that unless youre using sub-ambient heat pump type cooling options or something. And I know Thermaltake didnt do that either - they used 0 degrees Celsius as their baseline - maybe it was a choice to make it more understandable for the general public? idk.

@matthewpan2380 2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-iv4fp that’s just marketing issue. They can just say 10C difference and that’ll be way more actual than 20%. Remember Celsius is just for human. In real world, 20% decreases from 49C is -15C. We have math exist for a reason.

@JohnSmith-iv4fp 2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewpan2380 yeah but an air cooler that has a 100% efficiency rate would mean a decrease from 49C to 25C (ambient). Im not agreeing with what thermaltake did (hence why i said it was 'fairly' reasonable), just saying that perhaps using kelvin isnt the correct method either.

@alexjay8257 4 жыл бұрын

"It's not a theory.. It's math..." Lmao I would have loved to hear more of that call tbh

@THEpicND 4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahahahaha

@aaronthomas6155 4 жыл бұрын

When he said that, I laughed so hard my son got concerned....

@andy6576 4 жыл бұрын

@@aaronthomas6155 As would anyone who saw you laughing so hard at something that was, at most, smile-worthy.

@ouroesa 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe he was using the word theory in a scientific sence (where a theory which basically is a provable aspect of the natural world)?

@larryjerry1 4 жыл бұрын

Prime opportunity missed to title this "Thermal-takedown"

@TheRogerbacon 4 жыл бұрын

This comment is one of ThermalTake's competitors

@torunsmok5890 3 жыл бұрын

@Jorus C'baoth riing fans are also garbage in the sense of the stupid BS proprietary crap they pull with it, and being outperformed by equally if not more good-looking fans at lower prices

@danareese5260 3 жыл бұрын

“It’s not a theory, it’s jut math.” I seriously loved that response.

@andrewt.5567 2 жыл бұрын

That intro was one of the best ever. So simple, so easy, but absolute slaughter.

@TechManTY. 4 жыл бұрын

"It's not a theory...it's math" wished I saw his face on that one 😅😅😅

@Meganomaly3 4 жыл бұрын

Same 🤣🤣🤣

@nspattak1 4 жыл бұрын

Well, it is not even math, it is understanding the physical quantities you are talking about. And then doing some simple math :)

@antagonist99 4 жыл бұрын

Assuming he's capable of even understanding what they tried to convey with that. :(

@Sam_but_not_really 4 жыл бұрын

it was "get lost, i'm right in a way i want to be judged on" type of face.

@splitframe 4 жыл бұрын

It's kind of bs from Burke though. You always measure against your ambient temperature since you cannot chill down significantly below that with convection based cooling anyway. It's a very poor "aktschually" moment from him here. Yes it's technically the truth, but it's a petty argument. Not that I want to defend Thermaltake in general here I pretty much agree on the other stuff here, but this was just... sad.

@tonimaunde 4 жыл бұрын

"we expect a more capable company to rip this idea off". Wow, Steve, you're amazing.

@Alexandra-Rex 3 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting seeing GN test the released version of this case, cause they added quite a bit of vents.

@weetabixharry 3 жыл бұрын

I'm really gutted about this. I've been using a Thermaltake Core V1 since 2015, which has been great. I broke the front panel audio connector through sheer stupidity and Thermaltake shipped me a replacement by priority international mail, for free, without asking any questions. Now I've saved up enough pennies to finally make the jump up to Ryzen and I thought a new Thermaltake case would be one of the first things on my shopping list, but instead I'll have to waste hours trawling through all the other brands.

@SilkMilkJilk 4 жыл бұрын

haha that dust filter on solid steel almost made me spit my coffee xD I mean better safe than sorry I guess

@Yuritau 4 жыл бұрын

Hey, it might keep dust from going in through the tab holes they punched out to hold the filter in place. lol

@DrearyEagle 4 жыл бұрын

Reminded me that bass speaker under some laptops which were actually a screw under grill XD

@mohdnorhalimzainudin7740 4 жыл бұрын

"good, skilled people who doesn't make it far up the chain" - Yup. been there, seen that...because often those with silver tongue went up & those who are in touch with the customers/field experts stayed at the bottom.

@martinbuxton 3 жыл бұрын

Fabulous and its very interesting to understand the temperature difference and the correct way to determine the percentage improvement. Marketing departments we need the to send them on the B ark along with the telephone sanitisers

@wt5284 2 жыл бұрын

God bless you. Was just looking at this case

@rockymassengill7270 4 жыл бұрын

Well... 5 minutes into your video changed my mind on buying a Thermaltake case. I'll be looking something different.

@darnell8897 3 жыл бұрын

Same. I've never really been into bling-ed out cases but the TT P90 is so unique it caught my eye and single-evenhandedly got me interested in the market. Not saying I definitely won't buy Thermaltake, but I'll damn sure be doing my own research rather than assuming "I'm sure the engineers made reasonable choices"

@jamesbearpark3794 3 жыл бұрын

@@darnell8897 I've found many case designers have similar issues with not understanding air flow requirements. I've been looking for a new case for my brother and there are so many companies that just slap solid panels all over the cases with not room for it to breathe. I'm a big fan of corsairs airflow cases like the 275R because they are well priced look good and have good airflow. You don't have to restrict airflow for a case to look good and manufacturers need to understand that

@obedulloa6219 3 жыл бұрын

I feel lucky that my 2011 thermaltake case is before this crap happened, when the intakes were not a 4th dimensional metal plate.

@alexd3917 3 жыл бұрын

I've got a thermaltake versa h18 and it's great, their low end stuff might ironically be better than their high end.

@thomask1424 3 жыл бұрын

I just used an S100 in my new build and am super happy with it overall - great air flow, roomy, plenty of cut-outs for cable management, looks sharp and a great value @ $60.

@hydranmenace 4 жыл бұрын

Thermaltake is a generous company doing all that R&D for everyone else.

@Purjo92 4 жыл бұрын

KEKW

@GSP-76 4 жыл бұрын

It's disingenuous to say Thermaltake doesn't get credit for their designs because the end execution wasn't up to par... actually it's a load of shit, plain and simple.

@Tessmage_Tessera 2 жыл бұрын

I bought a ThermalTake Chaser MK-1 case back in 2011 and it's still up and running today. No complaints. Sad to see how much ThermalTake has devolved since then.

@JSBautomotive 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing work gents. The tesseract cube in the fourth dimension of cooling had me rolling!!!!

@Plasmafox 3 жыл бұрын

For the entire 15 years I've been paying attention, from my first build to the one I ordered yesterday, Thermaltake has always had the same image. An aesthetics-focused OEM with second rate parts painted to look cooler than everyone else's. They practically invented the GAMER EXTREME RGB LED type brand image/marketing that's become ubiquitous today, and the generalization of low quality associated with it.

@Slashx92 3 жыл бұрын

exactly my thoughts, althought, I think their basic lines like membrane keyboards and mice are fine for the price

@CptJistuce 3 жыл бұрын

At least they aren't a "copy someone else's respected design poorly and give it a name just diffrent enough to avoid a lawsuit" company anymore. I guess.

@allanmcelroy 3 жыл бұрын

My V9 looks on in sadness

@earlp3361 4 жыл бұрын

They need to fix their damned RGB software its hot garbage. Lots of customizability but it doesn't allow fan control... its like they didn't think it through.

@andy_byrd 4 жыл бұрын

Found the guy who got fooled by TT's marketing.

@HaTran-jc7qm 4 жыл бұрын

To e honest, at this point, "Didn't think it through" should be TT's theme

@DrSmugface 4 жыл бұрын

@@andy_byrd hard to find 200mm fans with RGb and software controll up to 4 fans

@dbman992 3 жыл бұрын

idk how i missed this gem of a video 6 months ago when i subbed. Either way thats a like from me and please do this again next year.

@kidbob44212 3 жыл бұрын

Paul just did a build in a Tower 100, actually why I’m here because he mentioned your video, and it seems that they took some of your recommendations into the market version. Hopefully you decide to do a thermal video on that case all you said it did interest you.

@GamerGateVeteran 4 жыл бұрын

Hands down, this was one of the most satisfying vids I have ever seen in the whole "Pc Builder" sub genre on YT. Thanks for the vid.

@korbensc7218 4 жыл бұрын

11:50 Oh...my....god.... when he takes the mesh from the bottom of the case...I had to repeat that twice to believe it...

@SynthLove 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been using the core p3 for like 6 or so years. I love it.

@chacehorsman2615 3 жыл бұрын

12:19 was incredibly funny. Well played. Also, shoutout to the Starcraft 2 reference.

@melonsenpai7407 4 жыл бұрын

yes, steve going nuclear, my favourite type of video

@Multimeter1 4 жыл бұрын

I thought Modern warfare 2 nuke was bad... this is ass blasted with a nuke.

@Multimeter1 4 жыл бұрын

@taylorf3178 4 жыл бұрын

Its honestly why I'm here.

@daviddebroux4708 4 жыл бұрын

@@Multimeter1 HAHA ASS BLASTED You got me tbh.

@SangheiliSpecOp 4 жыл бұрын

@@Multimeter1 it's like he got the nuke without a chopper gunner

@chris746568462 4 жыл бұрын

11:55 This must have been designed by the marketing manager: "Just cover that hole up, please. So the filter doesn't get covered in dust"...

@raylf3141 2 жыл бұрын

I love my TT 900. so easy to work in, looks great and i can turn it into a wine chiller or display case if I want to in the future.

@xzerohunter 3 жыл бұрын

I got their thermaltake core v21. I like the concept of the graphics card not being pulled down with gravity like a vertical set up. Wish they continued with that concept and improved it. Its perfect for my setup so i dont have to lug a heavy pc around every 6 months

@puccobun2103 4 жыл бұрын

Steve, you ABSOLUTELY snapped when the Thermaltake dude said, "I see your theory" and your response was, "it's not a theory, it's math." You didn't have to massacre my boi like that!!! lol

@Sliff 3 жыл бұрын

"it's not a theory, it's math!" - Gamers Nexus thats why I'm here, thx for your incredible work!

@stevethea5250 3 жыл бұрын

8:12

@thecompanioncube4211 3 жыл бұрын

That dude got scienced so hard...

@eeyvrcs 3 жыл бұрын

sorry, but I don't agree. The math is correct, both Gamer's Nexus and ThermalTake used the same mathematical procedure to work out the percentage...the difference was just which scale they used. Remember, Kelvin and Celsius are effectively the same scale, just shifted by 273.15 units and all components in the world specify their operating temperatures/windows in Celsius so to tell ThermalTake they must switch to Kelvin to do thermal comparisons when all temps are specified in Celcius is pure and utter nonsense. In fact, to be more accurate, you wouldn't use either Celsius or Kelvin here...you'd normalize against the ambient temperature of the room (25C) so that the scale is taken out of the equation.

@thecompanioncube4211 3 жыл бұрын

@@eeyvrcs your thought process is right, but your idea of what Kelvin represents is wrong. Unit K measures the thermal energy contained in body in absolute terms. It directly corresponds to amount of atomic vibrations that there are in a body (atomic vibrations is the temperature what we perceive). That's the reason why it's almost impossible to go to 0K cause you'll not be able to stop all the atomic vibrations. Celcius 0 starts from freezing point of water and that is a abritrary starting point that humans decided and does not correspond to absolute energy levels. That's the reason why you can't say 20 C contains 100% more energy than that 10C. In any case, he should have just showed decrease in temperature rather than showing how much "percentage improvement" they're getting. Which doesn't make any sense. By your thinking, if we normalise the results with 25C room temperature, he'd get 40% decrease in temperature. From Wikipedia: Celsius measurement follows an interval system but not a ratio system; and it follows a relative scale not an absolute scale. For example, an object at 20 °C does not have twice the energy of when it is 10 °C; and 0 °C is not the lowest Celsius value. Thus, degrees Celsius is a useful interval measurement but does not possess the characteristics of ratio measures like weight or distance.

@eeyvrcs 3 жыл бұрын

@@thecompanioncube4211 your idea of what I'm thinking is wrong. You clear don't see that I'm over simplifying and that I understand Kelvin is an absolute scale and Celsius is relative. What you don't get is that all the measurements and mathematical calculations are relative, Celsius is relative to water and the 20% comparison is relative to the original value, not a measurement of absolute thermal energy. No one cares what the absolute Kelvin indicating thermal energy is otherwise why stop there? Why not start throwing "Joules" into the mix? The reason is this would be even more stupid because to 99% percent of people Joules and Kelvin here is meaningless. Yes, the 20% is a marketing gimmick/twist that is somewhat misleading as it won't calculate into a 20% decrease in all scenarios but to say he's wrong and, "it's not theory, it's math" is plain and simply wrong but also stupid because Kelvin vs Celsius has nothing to do with math. In fact, the basis of the Kelvin scale, i.e. absolute zero, is theoretical by it's very nature of us not being able to measure it so in fact, whereas ThermalTake only used math, it was Gamer's Nexus that brought theory into the equation.