,, give them hell" because that's what a Christian 's attitude should be like... Right? It's in the words. For someone claiming to be so careful with his words, this is just horrendous.

@@veronicab15 It's a discussion, you take from it what you want. If you need further information, the Bible is available, the Word of God Himself is available. We all have the free choice to engage and learn or remain in ignorance.

Hang in there, sist@🙏💪

He was the start for me delving back into the Christian ideas and taking them seriously for once. Still learning.

God don’t like people who wants to make money on his word, Jesus told we should give it for nothing

Same here, listening to JP's Biblical stories and his breakdown made me realize I was possessed by the spirit of Cain... Thank God for sharing his Word with all of us wretched creatures.

The spirit of cane is the spirit of satan. Let us work to renounce our will and to become able in Jesus's name ☦️🕊❤️‍🔥🛐

MrSpock, that is so beautiful 🌹

"...because the LORD disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in" - Proverbs 3 : 12 - Side note, you might like the work of Fr Anthony Demello when you're ready for it.

Amen!! 🙏🏽

Start the 🔥 baby!💨

A person worships what he lacks in him, if he worships love, this indicates that you are fundamentally infected with bloodshed (attributed to the son of Japheth, Noah's son and his descendants, the people of Europe) Ham worships the judgment, and Shem the unity

I homeschool my children and we live in a small village outside of springfield, illinois. They come with me everywhere. We love to go spread silliness and happiness everywhere we go. I have the most complimentary children I have ever met, lol. I told them that when we go out and spread happiness and be nice to people, it may be the only nice thing they've had done for that day or who knows how long. We know how bad it feels to be sad and we know how wonderful it feels to be happy so we want everyone to feel that way.

There you go! You have nailed it.

I heard recently that the charge given to Adam was a punishment (I may say in the way you're describing) but also that more importantly it was a remedy to the Fall. In a word, the Lord commanded us to work the Field to give us peace in our soul while in the fallen world.

Exactly

“Now Adam was created righteous and upright and without sin by God so that he had no need of being justified and made upright through his tilling and keeping the garden; but, that he might not be idle, the Lord gave him a task to do, to cultivate and protect the garden. This task would truly have been the freest of works, done only to please God and not to obtain righteousness, which Adam already had in full measure and which would have been the birthright of us all.” - Martin Luther, On Christian Liberty

The fall introduced fear of the Lord as the motivation for work, which is the root of pride, which in turn is the gateway sin to all the other sins. Initially tending the garden was done out of love of self and others to express gratitude for life.

everyday He blows my mind a little bit more with His awesome plan.

I say the same! The Big B is gonna change the game !

Yes. Except for the Catholic part………………..kidding. He’s great.

Bishop Barron is a coward and accepts all the rubbish currently pouring out of the Vatican

The Catholic part is the best part. That's where Bishop Barron gets the Truth he preaches so well. 😊❤️🕊️

coward

1) In the garden, fruit just grew and they ate it. they did not have to labor for it... so yes, the necessity to work came with the fall. I like the King James version: cursed for thy sake. Work is to Man's benefit. People are better when we learn to work. Take away meaningful work and men whither. I have no idea where you get the idea that work is inherently futile or that Adam's work to feed and protect his family after the fall was futile.

​@@xanuui If "astounding ability to misread" was a person, it'd be you.

Ooo that’s a great definition.

I think that comes from C.S. Lewis. Or at least, that is where I first read it. It has had an impact on my life.

There are times when I enjoy work. Sin pulls me away from it. The sin of pride, especially. But when I can push those things aside, I really enjoy hard work.

Some people like to work. I would say our punishment is labor, No one likes to labor lol

As per the Catholic Church, work gives humans dignity....

Genesis 1 and 2 clearly state that God created man to work. Gen. 1:28, God tells Adam to multiple, be fruitful, fill the earth, subdue it and have dominion. You can’t do all that without putting in hard work. Plus, Gen. 2:15, tells us directly that God put Adam in the garden to work it and keep it. It’s a good thing to work but because God cursed the ground due to Adam’s transgression, it became painful to work the ground. Edits: spelling and grammar

@ivansvintsitsky8985 correct. He made work difficult. That is not to say that difficult work can't make you feel good. It's the same with suffering. Suffering premafacia doesn't feel good, but good can come out of it.

Yes!!!

Thank you!! He was simply embarrassing himself as long as he was talking.

Yeah. And He cursed the ground. So you’ll kind of work yourself to death

@@HL19860410 No. More like work would also suck instead of just fulfilling.

He was sent to subdue the earth that was Adam job. The garden was is launch pad to start that job.

God not god.

Cain was a tit for tat sacrificer. That never works because it treats blessings as commodities to be bought and sold. God is not for sale.

If real is God... I like that. That works too, because as Aquinas said, God is non-contingent being itself, which his transcendent qualities of Truth, Beauty, and Goodness just being how we approach this deepest reality using our mind, our emotions, and our will (the three parts of our soul). The danger with thinking this way, even though it's true, is that we can also forget that God is those things but PERSONIFIED. If we forget that, we can get more transactional, thinking that if we figure out how reality works, we can just treat it as a thing rather than an interactive person (or 3 persons).

@@DavidLarson100 I borrowed that from Dr. Peterson in an older video. It's a fascinating view and it makes the Bible extremely clear, take Moses' interact with God where God hides him in a crevasse and allows him to look at God's "Hind Parts". If you take God as reality itself that would mean that we can't truly look apon the creation of reality itself but we can see it's results, no man could ever truly fathom but we can comprehend the results. You are correct that people could take that and become transactional with God and reality but it is important to remember that reality isn't just an object but something/someone which which you have a relationship. They are coequally important and without one you can't have the other, much the same way Love and truth are coequal truth without love is just facts without value and love without truth is foolishness. You can't treat God as merely transactional object but neither can you treat him as only a person, both incomplete views lead people astray.

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You are confusing two different things. Toil in the garden would be akin to a hobby. The work after the fall is a hard labor and a more unenjoyable effort. Man’s work after the fall is a punishment. It looks like you are ignoring the fact that man was punished after the fall with having to work for survival. Genesis 3:17-18.

@@paulmualdeave5063 how deranged you got to be ,to believe this shit?

@@paulmualdeave5063 I'm not confusing them. I'm well aware of the curse. I'm just pointing out that work is a good thing, and not a result of the curse. We can say that HARD work is because of the curse.

Yes

In your opinion what is the difference between painful toil and work?

Yes, I like JP, but he's the last person that should be complaining about bad theology

He gets alot of it wrong, he told Shawn Ryan last week that Christians will go through exactly what Jesus went through in every way, Shawn (a new Christian was confused) and asked "literally" and JP told him yes. Checkout Larry Alex Taunton's podcast from 2 weeks ago on this, it's really good.

@@xanuui If you do not mind, I will slightly modify the question. It is not so much work verses toil but work in Eden verses work “East of Eden” after the fall. How is work in Eden different from outside Eden? We do not know exactly what work was like in Eden. However, • the word Eden means something like delight, or a place of pleasure and • it was a place where God walked and talked to man. So whatever work was like, it must have not been too bad. As a side note, the picture of heaven in Revelation mentions a similar vision of work and life. Revelation 22:1-5 NIV 22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. What is work like after the fall? Firstly, • we live “East of Eden, (that is outside God’s pleasure). • Here sin and decay live. Here we bear the results of our fractured relationships with God, the environment and with each other. Secondly, we live under curses. Genesis 3:16-19 NIV 16 To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” 17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” Why is work now “painful toil”? From the explanation that God gives, I would say. • Our pleasures will now be mixed with pain. v16 • The ground will not be as productive so it will take much work to get anything out of it. v17 v19 • The ground will work against us so we will be frustrated by problems that were not meant to have happened. v18 • And our work will eventually be in vain for we will die. V19 As a side note, I would say that a part of being a child of God and being obedient to Him is that the effects of sin and curses are reduced. • For example, the land promised to the people of Israel was one “flowed with milk and honey”. A part of the story in the OT is that how they benefited from this promise depended on how faithful they were to God. Christians also have our experience of "painful toil" altered. For example: Colossians 3:22-25 NIV 22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism. Thus • We must work for God, not man. v23 • When we do, He will reward us accordingly. v24 Hope that helps

Hmmm, I think perhaps you are missing the point. Behemoth and Leviathan were expressions of God’s work in creation versus man’s place within that creation, and specifically reminding Job he is not God, nor does he have place to cast judgement on God for allowing suffering to befall us. In that way, in the context of Job, which they were discussing at length, the whole idea of this conversation can be summed up in Behemoth and Leviathan. To live is to experience suffering. Remember the creator of behemoth and leviathan and accept the stuffing that comes our way. Accept it, and face it, and trust the God who created the marvelous world to rectify things justly before everything ends.

@@BenjaminIam does that not seem a bit like cope? like, sure, yeah stuff sucks a lot of the time, but our god is all-loving and so obviously hes just gonna make everything ok right at the end? u wouldn't say that slavery was ok because it eventually ended, right? certainly we're not tryna say that something being made right in the end justifies the suffering up until that point. otherwise you'd have to say that crime is fine as long as justice is served. but justice is only ever post-hoc. if ur parents are killed and the killer is caught and sentenced to life in prison, does that make it ok that ur parents are dead? cuz in the end justice was served?

@@dannyferguson1427 No, I don’t. First, Job still had the experiences of the suffering he endured. Those memories never leave him. His children are still dead and gone. They didn’t get resurrected. Their loss was still extent. What Job gained from the experience is wisdom and increased understanding in how the universe works. When we suffer, the there is no restoration in this life that doesn’t erase the experience of the suffering. Some things cannot be regained once loss. For example, the loss of a loved one’s life. Rectifying things justly does net mean magical restoration. It means the suffering will end and if we pushed through the suffering without compromising our faith in what is right nor violating that faith with our behavior that which was lost can be regained, or rebuilt or started anew. That doesn’t erase the experience of suffering. It doesn’t undo the loss irreplaceable things, like Job’s children. It just means we can conquer suffering and loss and come back stronger, and greater by following that principle. Finally, some of our suffering won’t end in this life. But what we can do is trust the God who created all things to resolve our suffering when we stand before him after life has come to its conclusion. The sufferings of this world can either be the first bitter drops of an eternity of sorrow and destruction, or the distant pains left behind to embrace an eternal paradise. There is no easy cope in any of that. The cope is giving up and allowing ourselves to curse God and die when we suffer.

I think he said something like "I exist on the edges". So I doubt he will.

He's sitting on the fence, needs to grift on both sides of the aisle.​@HornedGod66

This is correct, and extremely important, because Christ, the second Adam cancels the curse. In Christ we are offered a second chance at righteousness. With the Holy Spirit comes the authority to cause goodness to manifestly exist.