Whatever he will be he'll be the GOAT of all time

Just about every person that has seen him play has often claimed him to be the best, I feel like that alone says enough.

@@AbsoleteAim that's it

What? We DO know how good he was on the pitch because plenty of people that watched him play are still alive today.

I can only recommend to anyone to look up whatever match you can find of him. You can't find as much as for Messi of course but you can still find a good amount of matches and plenty of highlights, as well as every full game of the 1970 WC. I think any true football fan should at least try to get an understanding of how this man played

Shut up

You never truly understood but you could. Have you ever seen Messi playing in real life? Probably not. Most people do not. Yet, everyone agrees on Messi's undoubtedly talent. There are enough videos and historical documents to back up Pelé's career. He has done everything, sombreros, nutmegs any football player could do nowadays. He was fast, strong, could shoot with both legs, could jump as high as Cristiano Ronaldo, and it was an excellent header. He scored many free-kick goals. His goal-scoring ratio against European teams is way higher than his goal-scoring ratio against South American teams. He won every championship he disputed. He scored over 1000+ official goals; the official FIFA calendar started to count from 2002 onwards, so everyone prior to that needs to lose half of their career simply because they decided to create a calendar only in 2002? Eh, no. Just imagine the best of this generation, Lionel Messi, with 800 goals scored when the best of the last generation had 1282 goals, this wouldn't be good for today's marketing, so they needed to come up with something to downgrade Pelé on behalf of their salaries... Go and watch Pelé's videos. You will see how incredibly fast he was with the ball and you will feel astonished at how much dribbling capability he had. And when you find those unknowledgeable people who say he played against farmers, remind them this is a lie, a historical lie, and remind them Messi played the 2018 World Cup winning Iceland 1-0 with Iceland's goalkeeper being a film director (way worse and weaker than a farmer, right}) and coach being a dentist :) - not to mention teams from Egypt and other sides of the globe who fight European countries in the "Mundial" and yes, they have a 2nd career, and yes Messi and Cristiano played against people and collected goals against them many times. And... As I once read, a grandpa told his grandson: child if Pelé played against farmers by any chance, the possibility of him being a farmer is high. Meaning that Pelé didn't have the training we have nowadays, biometry, science, diet, and medical advancement, Meaning he would undoubtedly be a better player nowadays than he was back then. Anyway, watch Pelé's videos and see how superior he was with the ball.

@champ26 I copied and pasted my comment from another section. It might be interesting for you

@@tambemacho4891 thanks for the info will surely see the old clips . Also surprisingly my grandpa told the same thing to me and my father had a similar story telling about Maradona on 80s So I guess it also depends seeing the other players at the time as well to understand why they are considered greats

@@champ26 You're welcome my man. God bless!

He is the GOAT because of what he did with the ball and what he achieved in his career. He isn't the GOAT because of sports-promotion. Come on.

​@@wesbyEric I'm talking about the disparity in relation to the players around him at the time. He was way faster, way stronger and mastered everything an attacking player could in terms of technique at the time. His records against european teams are incredible, only against spanish teams he averages less goals than matches. We cannot count most goals in Europe's national leagues, since teams that exceed nationally struggle immensely in the CL, whereas in South America the best measure is Brazil's national league, even the state competition that Pelé played has more giant teams than Spain for example. They've got 4 continental winners, and at least 20 national titles distributed among them, which in Europe one team alone manages to have. The record in Brazil is 11 if I'm not mistaken. Those 4 compete for the national title once every 4 or 5 years. In the CL Messi loses in assists to Neymar, Messi having twice the number of matches but only 8 assists more. In the national team is when he falls short, although winning the World Cup. Facing the same opponents and having a way lower goal average than Pelé, who scored a hat-trick in a World Cup semi-final against France at 17, scored two goals in a final at 17, and the 4-1 against Italy in 70 would turn into a 1-0 to Italy if you delete Pelé from the match. Messi used to play against slower defenders and midfielders, in a tactical system that all teams around him couldn't grasp, had the 3 best spanish midfielders in the history of the sport to support him, the best manager in the world in a farmer's league that a big team like Atletico Madrid has to birth an anvil in order to fight for second place. Comparison requires both contexts to be taken into consideration. Every player in 1970's brazillian squad played in a brazillian team, facing Pelé in most play-offs both nationally and in state. Pelé had a top speed only 2km away from Mbappé's, ran 100 meters in 11 seconds at 35, 30 per cent slower heart rate, better perypheral vision, jumped 48 inches off the ground and had fundamentals not as sharp as players from today. He would adapt, physically, tactically, technically to today's football, and would most likelly be faster, stronger, jump higher and have better fundamentals due to today's training technology. It is highly unlikely that he wouldn't be the best today. Had everyone seen both Messi and Pelé in their times there wouldn't be a comparison. Pelé had an influence in football that no other player has had and will probably never have. That's the disparity I'm talking about.

Brazilian leagues were better then that of europe not only brazilian but all SA Clubs were more of giants european club football grew in 1980s with the europa league catching more intensity. Then european clubs got the money which make it grow much more then then that of SA

@@ChrisMDi exactly!

The brazilian league was actually pretty much the best league in the world at that time in history. Not even exaggerating lol.

There was states leagues not "brazilian league"

@@victordurand3000 Yes, but you got the point, the tournaments like Taça Rio São Paulo don´t exist anymore

Do Brazilians tend to prefer garrincha to pele?

@@mostafaahmedibrahim2541 Brazilian talents were endless. Zico, Socrates, the aforementioned Garrincha, Jairzinho. A country that drips footballing talents.

Am I right to say that Brazilians cherish Senna more than Pele?

@@letmetellyalilstory9122 Yes, by a large margin

He is a legend but not the goat maradona messi are better!! pele vs ronaldo would be a reasonable debate

@E X that's exactly the point I'm trying to make.

And Cruyff too and the '66 English legends

Maybe if he was Italian or German he would get such recognition, we all know why his legacy has been attacked by major news outlets.

As a Peruvian, I'd say that the 70s were the true peak of South American football as tons of legends were actively playing from the 60s and later, the 80s

He’s like the Mohammad Ali of Football? Or Ali is the Pele of boxing?

TBH there were many ppl doing those same moves before Pelé as well. modern fans tend to think football is modern when it's really not.

That overhead kick while he was injured was a worldy!

di stefano garrincha puskas are joke right?? they also did invent some skills before pele

all 5 of them at the same year I mean

league, sorry I'm drunk