dezinfectant Nintendo does what Sega don't xD

JSP Producciones!! Except that Sega had a vocal track in Lunar: The Silver Star. In 1992. Of course, they cheated. Sega CD.

@@RAMChYLD The Sega CD and the PC Engine CD were technical marvels when they came out. They didnt "cheat" because it would mean the PS1 cheated with the CD support as well

@Dr_Doctor Well the SNES cartridge could have a chip and a code written to make that music (closer to games like Star Fox for exemple)

Yeah I know, that's why I said that some of them had a special chip

lol

As I recall, he's pretty much useless after the time-leap in the SNES version, right? The PS1 version had some event where he trains by himself to close the gap between him and the rest of the team.

He doesn't even have a TP in snes version

@@futaenokiwami6349 He was actually kind of overpowered if you leveled him up and got him a decent bow. Tended to do far more DPS than the casters and didn't slow the game down.

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If I remember correctly, the song alone was well over half the cartridge ROM

@@marioj00001 wow

@@marioj00001 i don't know but the game was 6 megabytes, the song is not too long, and sometimes sounds like it mixed with midi, and sounds like a low bitrate mp3, so probably not half of the 6MB. I played through this game in my pentium 1 pc with zsnes.

@@marioj00001 lmao does that mean it took over 50% of the memory of the rom? It sounds wonderful

Lo jugué en japonés tremendo juego, después en español y tiene una historia monstruosa, y las voces son excelentes el mejor juego de snes

Yeah, it is a pretty cute feel-good song.

Considering the SF/SNES actually isn't even capable of handling an opening song with voice acting like that, I'd say "pretty good" is a bit of an understatement. xD

This is amazing for any Cartridge-Based Game. This game is about 48 Megabits (6 Megabytes) big which is one of the biggest games on the SNES ever! I still find it hard to believe that the SNES could do this on it's own without any external chips like the MSU-1. The whole song should be just one long recorded Sample which is even more impressive because 85% of Samples used in the 4th and 5th are barely a Second long recording. And even some recordings of voices are just 5 Seconds long. THIS SONG IS LIKE A MINUTE OR TWO LONG!!

Helloz World The SNES actually _isn't_ capable of doing that without any additional chips. So, to work around that... if I remember correctly, they broke the song down into a ton of little sound bytes that it _could_ handle, then basically streamed them all from the cartridge (very simplified explanation, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't _actual_ streaming).

MrOmegatronic Well they were Sampled Recordings, but the SNES can't stream Samples directly from the Cartridge. So they did have to break down the Voice into parts, but even though they were more likely to be 10 Seconds long or so every section, that is still quite a long Sample to play. The SNES Sound Chip can take in up to 64KB of Recorded Samples per song, but I have heard from what I remember is that some companies to by pass the Limit they would just quickly swap some Samples so it could play a song that would technically would be much bigger than 64KB. Thus most likely the reason how the SNES could do this. :D

Helloz World Yeah, that sounds about right.

Yeah, not pushing our wallets.

Early emulators used being able to emulate this very game as a selling point. So, if anything, the _emulators_ were made for _it_ . ;3

There are also some NES games that have very impressive voice clips. Check out "Action In New York" for example, that game starts off with the line "You must destroy them! The Earth is counting on you! Good luck!", and that voice sounds absolutely crystal clear. It's awesome.

Fairsto aido

@@StivsLair fasuto aido

"Isee Needo!"

First Aid!

anD WHy did Chester miss his arrow?

Neither can I :)

:') same here.

you know what else happened on SNES? Star Ocean.

You forgot about Power Rangers and Clayfighter on SNES.

@@GiordanDiodato Yeah. Too bad the audio on Star Ocean is so muffled though.

It required a specialized chip to make it work too. It was one of the few SNES games that used the 48 Mbit chip too.

@@NFITC1 There is no "special chip" in the tales of phantasia cartridge. Only 2 mask roms and an sram. There is some skillful programming to make better use of the SPC700 Sony sound co-processor inside the snes. During the development of the game towards the latter stages a lot of internal conflicts caused many developers to leave Namao and form Tri-Ace.. they used such techniques for voice again when they released Star Ocean, which does have a special chip (SDD-1) which is used to decompress the graphics data, something the SNES was not powerful enough to do itself. While both TOP and Star Ocean use 48mbit of ROM data (6mb) thanks to the SDD-1 used in Star Ocean it would take almost 96mb of conventional rom space to store uncompressed.

If it had more cart space, it could stream in 32khz but this is impressive for what it is.

Wow that's pretty cool

Cless and Chester are Trunks (another time traveller) and Ky Chester's other voice is Chouji, Renji and Yun

Also, Klarth's voice actor voiced Reiji Arisu from 'Namco x Capcom'.

Christopher Chasteen and Kars

RiBB|Lion Wait... Kakashi... IS CLAUS... From ToP?!?!? *MIND BLOWN*

+An Tran Yes it is :)

yup can't agree more

Oh yeah.

2017

2018

It was a matter of bad timing, more than anything else. The game came out near the end of the system's lifetime, and would've had to compete with PS1 titles by the time it could be translated. RPGs were apparently having a bit of a dry spell in NA at the time, too, so they probably didn't think it would be profitable enough to put the effort into (probably since effort spent on it could interfere with getting out a title for the shiny new system).

It's sad really. Despite being the first, in any modern tales games, this one is largely ignored.

+Markell Hawthorne It sure is! :)

+Markell Hawthorne Even with improved technology available for future remakes, the original was still not done justice. The only thing they would have need to do; was not change the original Sakuraba soundtrack one single note.

It was also absolutely impossible to do on the SF/SNES. They did it anyways.

Yukari Yoshida has a very cute voice as well.

+Asch-kun Right? It's so incredible! ^_^

play Star Ocean 1 on SNES

I am

It's even more impressive if you take a look at how they did it. The SNES actually isn't capable of doing that, but they basically said "Screw limitations", and wrote a custom program for the soundchip that streams it from the cartridge a few kilobytes at a time.

I like the singer's voice, it sounds cute. :D

That’s a common misconception. When something is 16-bits, it means the processor can accept 16 bits of data at a time. When cartridge size is talked about, it means just that: how big the game itself is in terms of megabits. (It should be noted that people describe sizes in megabytes, and there are 8 bits in a byte) It’s actually a common question people had even back in the day: how could a 32 meg cart play on a 16-bit system? And the answer is that they are unrelated to each other to begin with.

32 (mega) bit (cartridge space) != 16-bit (hardware) By the way, the cartridge was around 48Mbit = 6MB.

It gets better: The system explicitly didn't have enough audio memory to play vocal tracks, and its custom sound format didn't support sample swapping. So they just _wrote a custom driver that constantly swapped dozens of tiny samples into memory so it could play the vocal track anyways_ . (For comparison, instrumental tracks were easy for the system to handle, and didn't really take up much memory.) When you say the game did the impossible, it's not figurative; it's *literal* . -And then they went on to make -_-Star Ocean-_- , which is even more impossible. xD-

@@MrOmegatronic Isn't it amazing how technical limitations always seem to give birth to greatness?

For sure, @@My2Cents1. It's a shame we don't see it nearly as often anymore.

Based Hiroya Hatsushiba

I love when game developers are like "this console cannot do this thing, but we don't care", and then do it anyway, lol. Absolute boss.

fasto eido

all i hear these days in my mind is "indignation" over and over ... and I'll take it, no indignation here personally

Or "SEEEEGAAAAA"

12 years after your comment Tales of Arise released and the dream hasn't died yet.

this wasn't just cutting edge on release, this was outright exceeding the designed capability of the console it was successfully released for. It the kind of brilliant thinking outside the box programming that literally hasn't really existed since the end of the PS2 era of game releases, with the extraordinarily unique hardware architectures to work with and around. Between this and Star Ocean, the west literally missed out on the two most advanced games ever made for the SFC.

and there are three reasons for that 1. They were late SNES games (in fact the Playstation had released in NA just 3 months before Tales of Phantasia debuted in Japan) 2. Text-heavy RPGs that would take over a year to translate 3. RPGs weren't popular at the time.

Half-Heart Hero The game stoll was able to blow me with its graphics and sound. Such a classics

tales of phantasia is a masterpiece

+onceuponaban It looks even better on an old CRT TV.

eh they don't look as good as Chrono Trigger's graphics.

Giordan Diodato this game is way better than chrono trigger

Gameplay wise, maybe. Everything else, forget it. Chrono Trigger is a classic for a reason

@Sean M Chrono Trigger hiped? For fucks sake.. Shut the fuck up.

And even if it's from a game, it's true...

The character designer was Kosuke Fujishima, who did You’re Under Arrest, Ah! Megamisama, and Ex-Driver. He also did Tales of Symphonia. He was always one of my favorite mangakas and artists of all time for as long as I can remember.

@@downsouth420 Wasn't he also character designer for the Sakura Taisen series?

La mejor y la única :v

Verdade linda, tbm adoro

Mauricio Valdez Agreed :)

FantasyAnime *COUGH COUGH* Abyss *COUGH COUGH*

not including every single game that came after it.

For sure. A landmark game. Especially liked that the antagonist was misunderstood. As a kid I loved the heroes, but each time I play it and the more I learn about the story that never made it into the final game (ToP had a complicated history to say the least) the more I understand Dhaos. The main cast is still very likable, and most of them want revenge on Dhaos for ruining their lives and you can’t blame them. Rambling aside, many JRPG antagonists of this time were solely evil, which is fine, but it was refreshing to have a game which makes you question if you are truly in the right. And this was 1995. Most Tales games have DNA from this release, and it’s a shame it’s so underrated in the west.

You had an SNES back in the early 2000s?

They won't even understand that it was so insanely amazing that time, especially with a very limited hardware like SNES LOL.

MrBroken030 No, Star Ocean is actually the largest SNES game beating ToP by I don't know how much. Check it out.

MrBroken030 Star Ocean is twice as big because while the game is 48 Megabits technically, it features an S-DD1 chip on top of that to handle heavy decompression of the code. So when the game is completely decompressed and readable to the SNES, it comes to a whopping 96 Megabit game!!

Oh damn, sure, i totally forgot about Star Ocean!! :D

different Fujibayashi.

Es de la misma descendencia.

in this game comes sheena's offspring

Star Ocean

We missed on so much amazing RPGs back then like Fire Emblem, Live A Live, and this

Vai a merda chrono trigger e uma merda tales of mto melhor seu luxo

@Shaman X lol

Agreed :)

+Paintamaster2000 It was made possible because it's actually not a full audio track. It's not easy to notice but the song was broken up and vocal notes are re-used. In other words, using a form of compression like a zip file.

+Paintamaster2000 +FantasyAnime If I'm not wrong, Tales of Phantasia also used a higher capacity cartridge. I think even after compression the file wouldn't have fit in a usual cartridge :3 Btw, ToP also had voices during the fights. ToP is probably the only episode of the Tales series that has been technically impressive for the time of its release.

+Paintamaster2000 super low sample rate and bit rate, combined with SNES synth. Samples are chopped into pieces to save bytes. Since NES era, game consoles can actually play samples as part of BGM.. But a vocal track is definitely something else X)

+Paintamaster2000 I was wondering the same shit over here.

+Paintamaster2000 Lots and lots of compression, It's 48 Megs making it one of the largest games on the SNES.

Ehm, nop. La saga Lunar tiene más años que este juego y ya tienen intro cantada.

DigitalGamesVirtual no tiene sentido, estas comparando un juego que salió en CD rom y esto es cartucho