Talking Dragon Age: Lyrium

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The Kingdom

The Kingdom

6 жыл бұрын

Welcome back to Talking Dragon Age, the show where I talk about Dragon Age. Today, we're finally discussing lyrium. It's confusing. Very confusing. We go over quite a few theories here, such as why it can be used to both bolster and deny magic, and how it relates to the Fade, Titans, dwarves, and so on. We also touch on how it was used in the days of Elvhenan.
I mention in the video that Danarius used Fenris as a living battery. I may be mistaken about that. It's possible he just wanted Fenris to be powerful. I think I remembered the line differently than what it actually was.
In that scene with Dagna where she talks about seeing a Wall of Memory: Notice she says "Remembered." As in, while this was happening, she remembered the Shaperate carve that. That would also match with what Cole says about the ancient Shapers being mountains drawn of all their wills, walking their memories into valleys of the world.
I also may make an addendum episode for some minor things I missed since this video was way too huge as it is. I'm not sure yet; we'll see how it goes.
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TAGS: Dragon Age, Inquisition, Bioware, Classes, Fan Theory, Lyrium, Magic, Mage, Hawke, Inquisitor, Warden, Blight, Mythal, Flemeth, Skyhold, Grey Wardens, Dwarves, Dwarf, Elves, Elf, Qunari, Qun, Tevinter, Kossith, Templar, Solas, Fen'Harel, Dread Wolf, Trespasser, Evanuris, Titans, Tranquil, Sandal, Darkspawn, Emissaries, Awakened, Disciples,

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@r.w3440
@r.w3440 6 жыл бұрын
If Lyrium is a bridge to the fade and reality, is red lyrium a bridge to the void and reality? And is that is what gives it a living quality?
@tinaswafford1985
@tinaswafford1985 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting.
@SMsneakyninja
@SMsneakyninja 6 жыл бұрын
That is an incredibly interesting concept to consider.
@ComanderScar
@ComanderScar 6 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine Red Lyrium isn't meant to connect to reality, but to the Blight and wherever it draws its energy from. Presumably the Void.
@TsukikoMitsuki
@TsukikoMitsuki 3 жыл бұрын
Dude!!! Never thought that!!!!!!!! 😱😱😫😫
@colt4505
@colt4505 2 жыл бұрын
Why would you assume that? Genuinely asking. I don't understand your train of thought and how you got to that and why that is so revelatory to people in the reply comments.
@paine_inflicta
@paine_inflicta 4 жыл бұрын
I think I go with the Lyrium = Blood, because I like the inherent irony, that all the chantry's ranting about spirits/demons, and blood magic, and the whole circle is built upon it, from the phylactery to harrowings, to the Seekers, to the templar system
@WaterMelon-Cat
@WaterMelon-Cat Ай бұрын
It is blood magic, just not human blood magic. Remember human blood is not in the fade, but lyriam (titan blood) bridges between the real world and fade
@SMsneakyninja
@SMsneakyninja 6 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic video! I feel like the game really should come clean and straighten out what lyrium is and what it does. Especially since we are going to Tevinter, where magic rules. So a clearer understanding of what we are working with and what it's real limitations are will be necessary, and hopefully part of the plot.
@83spork
@83spork 5 жыл бұрын
So, I think there might be one thing that's different from your theory. When talking to Varric, Cole asks: "Do you write to reach across, to hear the song that was sundered?" and you said it was the titans that were sundered. I think he might be talking about the fade. Earlier, Cole says "No dreams with the cord cut. You sell it", when talking about the dwarfs. What if the dwarfs actually disconnected their souls from the fade to get a closer connection to the lyrium? They sold out their connection to the fade to have more of a connection to the earth. We know that the elves were extremely powerful when the veil didn't exist. Maybe the dwarfs sold their souls to the lyrium because their connection to it gave them a power to rival the elves? More than that, the lyrium seems to mess with the fade and reality, but what was it like when there was no veil? Back then, it could have been much stronger. If this is the case, then it seems the dwarfs literally sold their souls to a blue cocaine to make them more powerful.
@83spork
@83spork 5 жыл бұрын
Screw it, I don't want to write this paper, so here we go. This is probably way off. Maybe selling themselves to the lyrium created the titans. They say lyrium is alive. If its alive, it might have the ability to think. Think of the lyrium as a computer, an already sentient and magical computer. The number of dwarfs being like the number of CPUs a computer has. It becomes more and more intelligent, it can think more and more, until at a certain point, the lyrium that's inside the dwarfs becomes the titans. So, saying you mined the titans is to say you mined sentient lyrium that's more powerful.
@AverageChild55
@AverageChild55 4 жыл бұрын
@@83spork Hmm, your comment made me think of something. What if lyrium in itself is useless? The dwarves essentially became "vessels" to the Titans, and they "sold" their spiritual form(their spirit and connection to the Fade) and became one with the Titans. And when the dwarves abandoned their spirit by submitting to the Titans, the Titans became powerful through lyrium(through the dwarves' essence)?
@tinaswafford1985
@tinaswafford1985 6 жыл бұрын
Love it, @TheKingdom, and thank you for another well-done video. I love your dry humor. Thanks for the smiles. That raw lyrium that sits around always puzzled me because you could click it, and I wondered if you click it enough and hang out around it enough in the game would your Playing Character go flakey, only they didn't seem to, but that's sort of what I kept in the back of my mind [since the codex seems to say it would]. Now we're looking to the future and the possibility that Solas will bring the Fade down to the land connection again by destroying the Veil. What will that mean besides the spirits being all over the place [and less 'demony', apparently, since Solas indicates that being pulled across against their will causes more demons]. The sky and air will be that pukey green color instead of the blue we love, so, ...there's that. When the magic is stronger everywhere though, and it isn't Corypheus' future full of just ripped rifts and red lyrium nasty piles of hunger, what will we see? The Titans should all wake up and earthquakes will abound until they find their dwarves. Will the Children of the Stone become hive-minded again, and what will that mean? How will our world be destroyed in flames and chaos simply by the Fade being connected with the Waking World as it once was? Will all the buildings built with magic [like in Tevinter] fall down, or be reinforced? Will the darkspawn be impacted at all? They have been in the Fade in past games, after all, and their magic isn't Fade magic. What's with that green pool of magic like a lake down in the Deep Roads [The Calling, etc.] anyway? Dragon Age keeps it interesting, don't they?
@PlanetaryPluto
@PlanetaryPluto 6 жыл бұрын
Tina Swafford Well, With Spirits And Demons Being Everywhere It'd Probably Mean More Possessions And More Abominations Running Around. Maybe The Elves Will All Get Their Magic And Possibly Their Immortality Back... Not Sure How Certain Institutions Would React Either, Namely The Chantry And The Circle Of Magi.. But The Divine Could Also Be Mage Herself... So There's That. Plus, If I'm Not Mistaken, In Inquisition The Breach Was What Stirred That One Titan? So If The Whole Veil Was Torn Down It's Likely They Would They All Wake Up If Not Most Of Them 🤔 Awh Man I'm Geeking Thinking About The Carnage That Could Ensue In DA4. The Ancient Elves Return And Most People If Not All Elves Can Now Use Magic, Spirits And Demons Everywhere, Titans Are Awake And Searching For Their Children Or Maybe They'll Find Them Easily Through Lyrium And The Fade Being Everywhere, Maybe The Qunari Would Finally Launch Their Attack And The Darkspawn Awaken The Remaining Two Old God's For A Double Blight 😍 Then There's Solas Himself To Deal With.. Ugh. All I Can Say Is You're Right, Dragon Age Does Keep It Interesting Lmao.
@dapprligtnin98
@dapprligtnin98 3 жыл бұрын
Lyrium in a sense is blood magic in the manner that you’re using a fragment of a titan’s essence and it’s connection to the fade to amplify your own mana.
@DisEkript
@DisEkript 6 жыл бұрын
Making sense of the plot that different people were making and changing throughout three games - a very hard and ungrateful work. Thank for you thoughts and I hope all you hard work will be rewarded in DA4... if it comes out.
@TheKingdomEntertainment
@TheKingdomEntertainment 6 жыл бұрын
Nurtai Don't worry, we have public confirmation that it will come out. Besides, it's been in development for a long time now - they won't just throw that work away.
@DisEkript
@DisEkript 6 жыл бұрын
I read that it's development wages hugely on The Anthem's success. And that doesn't fill me with confidence.
@samuelatkinson6899
@samuelatkinson6899 6 жыл бұрын
Oh Lyrium why can’t you be simple
@joegeo5
@joegeo5 6 жыл бұрын
My head hurts whenever I think about lyrium :(
@kainlockley
@kainlockley 2 ай бұрын
It sounds like the titans enslaved the dwarves on Thedas (with hive mind control, all Borg & whatnot), while the Elven "gods" enslaved elvenkind over in the Fade. Nice! Perhaps that makes the Titans the Forgotten Ones.
@cornibusette
@cornibusette 5 жыл бұрын
Super interesting! Thanks for gathering all of this and trying to find some sense in this mess ^^. I wouldn't pay too much attention to gameplay ( I know I don't when I'm searching for infos). In inquisition, you are asked to destroy red lyrium by just hitting it and breaking it into tiny pieces, and you can jump on it everywhere (especially in Emprise du Lion), even though it's supposed to be even more dangerous than regular lyrium. No one cares if a shard get into their skin or if they breath in some red lyrium dust during the process, and they just leave it there...
@tharealgaming5802
@tharealgaming5802 5 жыл бұрын
Great video dude
@Pink_Sinthetic
@Pink_Sinthetic 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, good, not only am I commenting 3 years after the fact, but I'm making comment 69. Nice. With regard to gameplay and lore around lyrium I think that lore always has to trump gameplay. Depending on the team, the people writing the lore may never see the level design, and even with department head meetings and directors overseeing everything, and even having "lore masters" possibly in the design room, it's way more likely that things are going to get overlooked. Hell, continuity staff on movies can't even catch a backpack disappearing between one cut and the next. However, Dragon Age does like to basically allow for retconning that fits within their world. Basically everything is written by someone in the world. It's not fact from the outside source. It's not Bioware telling us the truth. It's always from a person in the game, or in the history of the game. Merrill says X, The Chant of Light says Y, Brother Genitivi says Z. All we can do is cross reference and weigh what we know and guess. I personally love this for a lot of reasons, but it does make it rather impossible to really pin down truth. Saying that, who is to say that the entries about mages and lyrium aren't misleading on purpose, or wrong? Are those pieces of information from a primary source who had tested raw lyrium exposure on mages? Like, we've seen what they do in this world, so they would have tested it. Or, is it written by someone 600 years later, based on teachings that mages should never have access to lyrium, not because it will kill them, but because it makes them more powerful. If you were a mage child of 8 and you read that going near raw lyrium would kill you would you ever dare go near it? And we also have the fact that it says raw lyrium and unprocessed lyrium, not lyrium veins. Is this semantics? Oh, very likely. But when have we ever stopped at using specific words to make our theories work? XD Lyrium is alive, right? Clearly it's solid because it's processed and ore and ground down to dusts of various sizes. But, veins, when it comes to say blood are a casing. If Lyrium is alive, regardless of whether it's like stone or not, could it not also have a casing? Could those broken bits not have healed closed? Could what holds the lyrium "in" those beautiful structures also prevent actual exposure or contact with mages? Now, it's very likely just "pretty cave" trumps "two entries in codices". I mean, they can't even decide to keep data coherent in pokemon and those dex entries are not only pokemon specific and recorded in about 100 different places. So, as much as it likely is just an oversight, I think you can definitely play with what they tell you in the codices to make the gameplay still logical within the "rules".
@AndyJP
@AndyJP Жыл бұрын
Maybe the issue with lyrium and being dangerous to mages has to do with the form of matter it is in. Perhaps in crystalized form there, it is safe. But lyrium inhaled as a dust, which is what you might experience in a mine, can be problematic?
@MandiJynx
@MandiJynx 3 жыл бұрын
The sundering that Cole mentions.. would that be the creation of the veil? It would explain the seperation from the titans and the "hole." Maybe the dwarves were at one point connected to the fade, but differently than elves, so that's why now they're completely barred from it? Also the titans have massive amounts of lyrium, so they would have the power to shape the world, not through earthquakes, but through using the fade to shape reality
@racpa5
@racpa5 5 жыл бұрын
Red lyrium is blighted lyrium. Meaning it’s alive.
@flamesofchaos13
@flamesofchaos13 4 жыл бұрын
Lyrium itself is Blood...Titans Blood and it's not dried out. So yes it's alive in the sense it's Cells are alive. As for any form of Sentience and/or Sapience is another question entirely.
@BrianShetty
@BrianShetty 5 жыл бұрын
Could the Fade be inside the titans? Maybe that is why the dwarves cannot access the fade. Due to the lack of connection to the fade. And what the titans stand on is the void and the void is where the blight comes from which is why the red lyrium is starting to appear as the red lyrium is showing up in what we as the player perceive as the world. I mean there was a whole sky in the titan after all?
@TheSpicyLeg
@TheSpicyLeg 2 жыл бұрын
What if lyrium is only a tool? As in, it merely is. Its use is entirely dictated by will. A hammer, for example, is most often thought of as a tool to build. It can pound nails into lumber, to make them hold a particular geometry. But a hammer can also break things, or kill people. Would we say that the hammer’s nature is creation, or destruction? Or would we say the hammer just is, and its use is entirely dictated by the person holding it? Lyrium appears no different. To a mage it can serve one purpose, while a Templar, another. In this way, red lyrium is a corruption because it takes away the will of the person using it. It still can create. We see Meredith create, but also Bartrand. Even people unknowingly create with red lyrium, as was the case in Bartrand’s mansion. Obviously, it destroys as well. Yet Hawke and Varric found the red lyrium idol and were not immediately under its influence.
@davidegronda3848
@davidegronda3848 3 жыл бұрын
My theory based on solas and other info we gathered in the games is that lyrium is in fact titan blood or source of power that is why gave power even to human and dwarfs but is a power from this world because Titans created Thedas ,the mages use power drawn from the Fade and I think that is because they have ancient elven blood in their lineage ,the Fade is the source of power of Elvehen and this two powers are opposite to each other. That s why is lethal for mages ,spirits born in the fade like Justice or Cole see the difference and are drawn to mages because they seem more elvish ,if i m right Solas used the Veil using both type of magic from our side created of fade magic from their side by lyrium or Titan magic probably trying to stop the war by sealing the big powers and leaving the world to free elves and other races going in slumber but in time the races of Thedas learn how to use lyrium to surpass the Veil safeguard
@hughcurran6817
@hughcurran6817 Жыл бұрын
What i find weird is when you compare lyrium to Vhenadal the elf tree of the people. It might sound strange but after they put the Titans to sleep. The elfs seem to have encouraged the lyrium to grow out of the heart and theough the deep roads. There is a giant sigil over the titans heart. I assume that is how they make it grow i do t know how they get it to connect to the fade because the titans heart has no traces of the fade about it. There is lots of codex entries and even lots of elf artworks in game that supports this.
@reffa2858
@reffa2858 Жыл бұрын
Im a bit confused. I thought before the veil, the fade and the real world were one until solas created the veil, separating the two. And when he did, all the magic of the world and spirits? Went into the fade... So why did the elves need titan blood to enhance their magic if magic was everywhere and everything(?)Before the veil? And while we're at it, why dont the dwarves wage war on the elves for them outright murdering their gods(?) Ancestors (?) Hive collective(?).
@TheKingdomEntertainment
@TheKingdomEntertainment Жыл бұрын
For the question of why elves needed lyrium, I have a few theories. One, they wanted to make foci and other artifacts. But it's implied that lyrium may not have been necessary for these items. Two, they wanted to enhance their own abilities. I think of it like this: They have an endless supply of magic, but their bodies can only handle using so much at a time. So they use lyrium to augment that, so they can use more magic at once. But that is just a theory :) For the why dwarves didn't war with the elves... it's possible they did, we just don't know about it yet. Or, after separating from the Titan, the dwarves may not have been capable at the time; sort of like a child who just lost their parents.
@dapprligtnin98
@dapprligtnin98 3 жыл бұрын
The way I see it, regular magic connects to the fade but with restraint, a fireball can be thrown but it follows the rules of reality. Blood magic is less about the blood and more of the sense that you’re amplifying your connection to the fade through your essence, though connecting your essence to the fade leaves it vulnerable to change since it is a place of chaotic reality.
@ccjesper
@ccjesper 4 жыл бұрын
Can dwarves use blood magic then? If it doesn't touch the fade, then why not?
@TheKingdomEntertainment
@TheKingdomEntertainment 4 жыл бұрын
Good question. I wonder why non-mage humans also can't use it if it doesn't touch the Fade. I wonder if a demon could teach them?
@thatssoderek2188
@thatssoderek2188 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the Elves representing the Fade/Aether/beyond reality and the Dwarves repesenting the Titans/hard stone/reality. Like a yin and yang. So I guess the war happened and the elves drove the dwarves underground and killled a titan or two. Then Solas put up the veil. Then humans arrived. But like where were the humsans before this? did the early humans know about the fade too? or is it just a Thedas thing? also didnt the elves know about the veil? why would they blame humans if they did? Maybe it is just a Thedas thing and that explains why no ones been able to travel across the ocean. or maybe its a one way system, which is why the humans and qunari could come to thedas but not leave.
@ignazthesecond7231
@ignazthesecond7231 6 жыл бұрын
I think that, lyrium is like water from the Titan, which just flows. So, i dont exactly know where lyrium does come from, but i think its so that when a dwarf dies he returns to the stone, and then becomes Lyrium because they are and are not connected? I dont know... Thanks for the video, great theorys.
@PlanetaryPluto
@PlanetaryPluto 6 жыл бұрын
noah Radtke Leliana Turn Into Lyrium In One Of The Alternate Endings Of Inquisition... Or A "Lyrium Ghost" To Be More Specific... Whatever That Is.
@ignazthesecond7231
@ignazthesecond7231 6 жыл бұрын
D. PlanetaryPluto Whas it in trespasser? Dont have that dlc xD
@PlanetaryPluto
@PlanetaryPluto 6 жыл бұрын
noah Radtke Well... Yeah Lmao. It Depends On If You Kill Her Back In Origins Really. At The End Of Trespasser In The Pre-Credits Thing, It Says She Turns Into A Lyrium Ghost. I'm Not Sure If She Has To Be Made Divine Or Not But Yeah.
@taiga738
@taiga738 5 жыл бұрын
So like in FF7 where dying means returning to the planet, which means joining the lifestream and is where mako and materia come from.
@sirwilliam4128
@sirwilliam4128 3 жыл бұрын
Here’s my suggestion. Lyrium is a raw magical medium. You have to be born with magic in order to become a Mage. If one is not born a Mage then they cannot perform or use magic unaided. Lyrium brings out the natural connection between an individual’s relationship with the Fade or the Stone. Since Templars are not Mages the. Lyrium enhances their natural connection to the Stone. For Mages Lyrium enhances their natural ability to draw upon the power of the Fade to alter reality. Thus, Lyrium is similar to blood and Templars plus Mages are similar to arteries and veins with Lyrium as the medium. Mages are like arteries that bring oxygen/magic from the Fade to the physical world. Templars are like veins carrying the magic of the Fade away from physical reality thus reinforcing it. Lyrium acts as the medium just like blood acts the medium between arteries and veins
@sirwilliam4128
@sirwilliam4128 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if @Ghil Dirthalen would agree or disagree...
@christiandrake5745
@christiandrake5745 5 жыл бұрын
I think that maybe the mages use lyrium to weaken reality and therefore allowing “more” mana. Basically making each spell seem like it’s less taxing. Also very unrelated idea (and very tin-foily) but I thought that what if elves and spirits were one and the same. So when elves were in the fade the became spirits and vice versa for spirits in the physical realm.
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 5 жыл бұрын
2k subs FTW
@SjEdwards87
@SjEdwards87 4 жыл бұрын
The relationship of the dwarves and titans reminds me of falon'din and dirthamen. Spirit separated from the material world. Or from the Dwarves pov the material world separated from the spiritual.
@set9034
@set9034 5 жыл бұрын
I don't believe the effects of raw lyrium were retconned just the severity of it was lessened at least for mages anyways as there is a codex entry in the Red Templar quarries, should you side with the Templars in Inquistion, mentioning that raw lyrium hitting mages hard and red lyrium being infinitely worse for them. The problem though as you said is having the lore translate over into gameplay, but how exactly could they go about doing that? Mages simply take damage over time while they're near it? Have them receive injuries or negative status effects? At the very least though I wish that they had you hear voices from the red lyrium you're basically walking right next to or forging runes out of, but that's just me.
@TheKingdomEntertainment
@TheKingdomEntertainment 5 жыл бұрын
The severity of it being lessened is still a retcon. You are right, I don't know how it would translate to gameplay. I would have personally only put lyrium out of reach of the player, or said something like only *touching* the raw lyrium will cause harm.
@ComanderScar
@ComanderScar 6 жыл бұрын
Pure speculation here since I don't know if there's anything to support this assumption: I'd image the process for Refining Lyrium may be different depending on how it will be used. Whether by Templars or by Mages. For consumption or a preprepared supply for rituals. There's also the process of creating Golems, which if I'm not mistaken involves pouring molten lyrium onto a subject encased in pre-made stone armor (I'm sure it's waaaaay more complicated that just that though). My theory is that Golems are essentially imitations of what Titans used to be. Except smaller, artificial, more crude and containing only one dwarf soul. Whereas Titans are huuuuge stone constructs that contained the consciousness of all Dwarves. The Sha-brytol may be a more advanced version of golems (technically speaking), but still nowhere near how a Titan worked. Although I'm not sure if Dwarves used to have individual bodies before the sundering. i'd assume they did, but were connected to their corresponsing Titan through a hivemind. It's also possible that all Dwarves used to be like the Sha-brytol.
@TheKingdomEntertainment
@TheKingdomEntertainment 6 жыл бұрын
TheWhiteWolf ;) Will talk about a lot of that in a future dwarven episode. You're probably correct about lyrium being prepared differently. Though the dwarves process it themselves before selling it to the Chantry who divides it to whomever. Unless it's smuggled, I guess. Though even that is probably processed by the time it reaches the surface. As for golems being small scale imitations...I really like that idea! I definitely think they function that way, even if they weren't meant to be that per se. But about all the dwarves once being like Sha-Brytol, Valta pretty much says that the Sha-Brytol turned themselves into monsters (after she connected to the Titan). I don't recall exactly what they said, but you should check out the codex entries unlocked after The Descent. Although, yes, sources say they DID have bodies, though it's unclear if they were "individuals" exactly. Thanks for the comment! :)
@ComanderScar
@ComanderScar 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering! Looking forward to your future dwarven video.
@ComanderScar
@ComanderScar 6 жыл бұрын
I'd also like to point out that Templars usually have their Lyrium preparation kits or whatever for their Lyrium use. As well as their "Templar Lyrium Philter" from the Way of the Templar quest for Inquisition. Meaning that, at leas ton the Templar side, even refined Lyrium needs to be prepared in specific ways before consumption. And mages typically consume it in form of Potions. I don't know, however, how it's normally used by mages when doing rituals (like Jowan's ritual in Origins). So I suppose I must conclude that refined/processed lyrium distributed by the dwarves is only the first step in crafting actually usable Lyrium for magic or Templar abilities. (And then there's Seeker magic which complicates the issue. Aren't they basically Templar abilities, but not needing Lyrium?)
@TheKingdomEntertainment
@TheKingdomEntertainment 6 жыл бұрын
TheWhiteWolf Different Seekers have different "gifts". I don't fully understand it. It may be something I'll need to look into further.
@ComanderScar
@ComanderScar 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that! Interesting.
@Golovologovo
@Golovologovo 5 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid it will be as usual: the whole lyrium concept is just being stuck everywhere the scripters want it to fill the plot holes. Piano in the bushes. And only after they do this, they create some peace of lore post factum. Or even don't, just leave it as it is =)
@annikoho7375
@annikoho7375 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Cole, really love the video. There is a codex entry related to lyrium and possibly the titans in the Western Approach that I suspect you missed or at least don't refer to (or if you did, I missed it). You can find it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a55ddMel0MrciWw.html at 2:34. I hope you find it interesting. I remember you mentioning this particular user in one of your earlier videos...
@annikoho7375
@annikoho7375 5 жыл бұрын
At 5:07 you talk about the codex entry from Trespasser which says that Mythal struck down a Titan and gave its demesne to the people. Since demesne mean property this could mean two things: The elves gained access to lyrium. 2 Mythal gained control of the Titan's dwarves. The ancient elves didn't see dwarves as real people, more like constructs without a mind of their own. In my opinion it must mean that Mythal gained control of the dwarves since she could only get Lyrium with their help as no-one else can mine it. We know from the Descent that you can gain access to the hive mind by gaining access to the Heart of the Titan. Right after you read the entry about Mythal killing the Titan the Inquisitor describes the memory and said that they "harvested the Titan's body for lyrium and something else, it isn't clear". If that something else is not the heart of the titan, I would be very surprised. Since that entry also says "for a moment, the scent of blood fills the air". This seems to hint that blood magic was involved. This brings to mind the novel Last Flight in which the lead character accidentally created the form of blight that killed of the Griffins even though she was only trying to make them think they were sick.
@annikoho7375
@annikoho7375 5 жыл бұрын
The same codex entry also mentions that "What the Evanuris in their greed would unleash could kill us all". Is it just me who thinks that they created the blight?
@annikoho7375
@annikoho7375 5 жыл бұрын
There was that other entry that said that Andruil created a sickness that ate her lands that springs to mind. And the entry that said that Mythal had to kill her. If Andruil had access to Lyrium, I don't think Mythal would have been able to kill her without also having access to lyrium. So Mythal probably gained access to lyrium first and the others wanted access of their own, so that they wouldn't have depend on Mythal for lyrium. So they kill Mythal to get her heart of the Titan, but aren't able to share nicely and a war breaks out. They head to the Deep Roads to get hearts of their own and Andruil suddenly has a really good motivation to make herself a shield or a weapon or whatever it was that the codex entry mentioned her making.
@annikoho7375
@annikoho7375 5 жыл бұрын
Before watching your video I didn't even consider the possibility that the term blood of the titan might be in any way metaphorical. As a nurse I saw veins and then there was the heart that pumped the lyrium around in the veins. I still suspect that that it isn't meant metaphorically, just that some titans don't have their heart to pump the lyrium in their veins so the lyrium has gotten really solid. Lyrium is maybe really deadly if the titan was feeling really pissed off when it died because the elves ripped off its heart? That's why some journal entries mention that it kills you if you are around it, but this doesn't seem to be a problem in the Descent DLC, where the titan only sleeps unmolested?
@annikoho7375
@annikoho7375 5 жыл бұрын
You talked about lyrium wells at the end of your video. I find them very interesting because the lyrium in them seems to be in liquid form. I wonder if it means that the dwarves created some kind of mechanism that keeps the blood flowing even without the heart? It reminds me of dialysis machine that people with kidney problems use 3 times a week to clean their blood. This seems to me something that the dwarves would feel inclined to do, if the lyrium stopped flowing, since to them, the lyrium had always flowed. Even Dagna felt that it should flow and she has probably never seen flowing lyrium.
@Sednars
@Sednars 6 жыл бұрын
All magic is blood magic, but that doesn't mean different kinds of blood bring the same result, here we are talking mountain like beings from the ages before the fade was sealed by Solas with the veil, of course lyrium is not going hold the same properties as the rest of the races. Think about why ancient magisters used elven blood instead of human blood.
@PlanetaryPluto
@PlanetaryPluto 6 жыл бұрын
Felipe Araújo Parodi What About Fade And Blighted Magic? How Are They Blood Magic?
@Sednars
@Sednars 6 жыл бұрын
D. PlanetaryPluto now, that's an interesting point, which I believe I ignored because I was just taking into account elves, humans, dwarfs and qunari perspectives. But that doesn't mean that my point is still not possible. So, in the case of the fade, now that we know that it was part of the original world before Solas sealed away, we can be sure that it was like breathing magic all the time, so still blood comes in, because you can only hold certain amount of mana inside your body, saying that blood holds mana or magic energy inside the body, that in the case of the elven people is a much larger amount than other races in DA. In the case of blighted magic, we need to take avernus research into account, because you need to have blighted blood in order to use blighted magic, there's no information of reaching the energies of the void without the corruption of the blight. In conclusion, yes, all magic is blood magic.
@PlanetaryPluto
@PlanetaryPluto 6 жыл бұрын
Felipe Araújo Parodi I See. I Sort Of Understand... But I Still Don't Lmao. "we can be sure that it was like breathing magic all the time, so still blood comes in" - I Don't Really Understand What You Mean Here But Everything Else Including And Regarding Blighted Magic I Understand.. You Need Blighted Blood To Use Blighted Magic. Are You Basically Saying Everyone Had "Faded" Blood (From Breathing It In?) To Use Fade Magic?
@Sednars
@Sednars 6 жыл бұрын
D. PlanetaryPluto what is breathing? Is taking oxigen and other gases into the body which then are all distributed all around the body through blood. And if we are under the assumption that mages and specially elves practically breath in the magic in the fade. I would not say that we get "faded" blood, I'm saying that all races in thedas blood were adapted to the fade before it was sealed away.
@PlanetaryPluto
@PlanetaryPluto 6 жыл бұрын
Felipe Araújo Parodi I See. Still, It Seems Iffy To Me. I Mean, What Of The Dwarves Who Don't Even Dream? We Saw That Valta Blasted Lyrium From Her Hand After Being Hit By A Wave Of It, She Said It Wasn't Magic But That It Was An "Accident"... She Never Did Give Any Straight Answers Tbh And Like Dagna Said, Answers That Aren't Answers Are Frustrating Lmao.. Reminds Me Of When We Asked Sandal How He Froze That Ogre And He Simply Said "Not Enchantment", These Mysterious Dwarves Are... Ugh. Anyway. My Point Is, We Know That Lyrium Is Intrinsically Tied To The Fade But Yet Dwarves Have Absolutely No Connection To The Fade - If Your Assumption That All The Races Adapted Was Correct Then The Idea That Aside From Lyrium, Dwarves Have No Connection To The Fade Would Be Wrong.. Hmm. + The Veil Has Been Up For So Long, A Time Before It Existed Isn't Even Recorded In Human History. + Dalish Legends Say It Was The Arrival Of Humans That Made Them Start Aging, But We Know That They Started Aging Because Of The Veil, Which Humans Arrived After, So Its Been So Long Even The Dalish Don't Really Remember.. Point Is Wouldn't Thedas Then Adapt Again To Living Without Constantly Breathing In The Fade? Would It Still Then Be Considered Blood Magic
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