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TAMIYA BEARINGS, Comparison of FRICTION (2/2), Ball vs Rubber Sealed vs Fluorine Sealed Bearings TRF

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CAGEMAN ch.

CAGEMAN ch.

Күн бұрын

TAMIYA RC 1150 BEARINGS,
Comparison of FRICTION (2/2)
(1) Ball Bearings
(2) Rubber Sealed Bearings
(3) Fluorine Sealed Bearings (TRF)
Chassis:
WR-02
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@mustangflyer6878
@mustangflyer6878 7 жыл бұрын
AWESOME VIDEO!!!!!! Your 02:48 video was more informative than the 10:00 videos from the manufacturers!!!!! Thanks.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 7 жыл бұрын
I am happy about your comment. Thank you very much.
@mustangflyer6878
@mustangflyer6878 7 жыл бұрын
Hey no problem CAGEMAN ch., thank you. : )
@jayhagsrc3322
@jayhagsrc3322 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! That didn't go like I was expecting. I would've thought rubber sealed, teflon sealed, then metal shielded. Great information!
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@ryanpatterson7388
@ryanpatterson7388 Жыл бұрын
Would have been curious to see how long you got from those white plastic tamiya bushings.
@unmoderatedahole
@unmoderatedahole 8 жыл бұрын
I want to see some scientific comparison of different plastics that Tamiya uses.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for comment. Is there anything you want ? If I can, I will make a video, and upload it.
@unmoderatedahole
@unmoderatedahole 8 жыл бұрын
I got the grey plastic part tree for the TT02D, but I don't know what is special about the grey "reinforced". Maybe there is a way to test how strong the grey plastic is?
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 8 жыл бұрын
In general, Load Tester is used for the quantitative measurement of strength of materials. However, this method is high cost. I do not know the scientific and easy way of comparison of different plastics.
@unmoderatedahole
@unmoderatedahole 8 жыл бұрын
Maybe how much weight it holds before it breaks? You're the expert! :3
@jacobclark89
@jacobclark89 5 ай бұрын
I wonder if they need to break in ? It would be nice to have better spinning bearings in certain fishing reels , but for most things the friction seems very similar
@Sphyxx
@Sphyxx Жыл бұрын
That tire had some serious momentum on it
@nighthawkj30A4
@nighthawkj30A4 4 жыл бұрын
I bought some Avid Revolutions bearings great bearings for 1.00 each. there are a quite and super smooth.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your interesting comment : )
@amaninaroom8678
@amaninaroom8678 4 жыл бұрын
goood video, thank you for doing this xD
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 4 жыл бұрын
It's my pleasure and thanks to you too : )
@jmaclaren4147
@jmaclaren4147 3 жыл бұрын
Mabe the grease used in each bearing has an influence on the time as well.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your important comment : ) I think so, too. Time is generally affected by the choice of grease or oil.
@03blackoperandi
@03blackoperandi 3 жыл бұрын
Still, there would be any different results if those bearings tested under load.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment : ) I already see your point, probably...
@n057828
@n057828 6 ай бұрын
Price and lasting??
@InvisiMan2006
@InvisiMan2006 5 жыл бұрын
What kind of lubrication is required for fluorine and how does it affect performance?
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 5 жыл бұрын
I suggest that TAMIYA TRF NO.72 VG BEARING OIL.
@ZanyGeek
@ZanyGeek 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 6 жыл бұрын
I am happy. Thank you very much.
@rcbearings1
@rcbearings1 5 жыл бұрын
There is some kind of serious flaw in this test because the "ball bearing" which is no more than a standard shielded bearing, should have spun at least as long as the teflon sealed bearing. The shielded bearing should have no part of the shield touching the inner race. The type of sealed bearing was not mentioned. There are two distinct types, contact and non-contact. Which one was in this test? I suspect it was a non-contact type since it did spin so long. So, it begs the question; were each bearing from the same manufacturer with the same lube package?
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. The main point of this test is Tamiya's product comparison.
@rcbearings1
@rcbearings1 5 жыл бұрын
@@cagemanch.7567 Wow, are Tamiya's steel bearings really that bad? RCbearings will all perform much better than that!
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 5 жыл бұрын
I am sorry for the result of steel bearings. This test was done about three years ago. I bought new bearings for this test at that time. I have not bought Tamiya's steel bearing after that, so I do not know the quality of Tamiya's steel bearings recently. Thank you.
@dman1848
@dman1848 2 жыл бұрын
Well that wasnt what I was expecting?
@deezelfairy
@deezelfairy 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this test means very little, the bearings are under no to little load. You can not test a bearing that's not under load. A bearing free rolling gives zero indication to its actual in service rolling resistance. Take an industrial size sealed ball bearing, they won't free spin at all, take the seals and grease out and they will. Which one do you think has the least rolling resistance under load?
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 3 жыл бұрын
Probably... I already see your point. Thank you for taking the trouble to comment : )
@Soandsoguy
@Soandsoguy 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see speed acceleration of a car with said bearings. Does it translate to microseconds or seconds?
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your interesting question. I think that the result may be different for under load and no-load.
@iclostflyerck6171
@iclostflyerck6171 4 жыл бұрын
May you add the ceramic bearing to test in same method please
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but I don't have any plans for that right now. Thank you for your comment : )
@tmmtmm
@tmmtmm 5 жыл бұрын
It's actually invalid to test bearings like this because when in the car they are *under load* due to G forces, acceleration/braking torque and the weight of the car, meanwhile this test is performed under no load at all other than the relatively light weight of one wheel. If you get any bearing and soak it in solvent to clean out the oil/grease you will find it will spin for a long time but under driving conditions in a car it will create much more friction. It's the same reason that old worn out idler bearings from your car's fan belt spin for a long time by hand but new grease packed bearings don't. Yet, when the belt is installed the old bearing makes a lot more noise and friction! Ideally the viscosity of the grease is chosen such that under load the metal parts don't actually touch, they ride on a very thin layer of grease. RC bearings typically use a light oil rather than a heavy grease because it gives less friction under light loads, but it can't handle heavy loads - if you hit a bump in the road metal touches metal and significant wear occurs. Running the bearings in the RC car and measuring the speed is definitely the better way of comparing the bearings since it is measuring them under the intended load conditions. It has to also be mentioned that there are slight variations in the dimensions of bearings so shims may have to be used to ensure the same fitment with different types of bearings. Some fit tighter than others, and can slightly bind which adds friction.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 5 жыл бұрын
I read all of your interesting comments. Thank you very much.
@ivorjawa
@ivorjawa 4 жыл бұрын
AvE did a video touching on the same points a while back
@andreasbrandstetter9221
@andreasbrandstetter9221 4 жыл бұрын
an normaly if the grease inside the bearing is the same the rubber sealded should stop at first because the rubber has more friction than the metal seal.....
@MrStrangeham
@MrStrangeham 6 жыл бұрын
I was curious the make model and type of bearings that they use on space suits. If anybody can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for watching.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 5 жыл бұрын
If I may suggest something. If you have not already, please make sure you break in the bearings before doing such a test. Let's say you would want to test four different 5x10x4 bearings commonly found in a Tamiya rear hub. Install one of each bearing in the rear hubs, making sure that every bearing is well oiled. Each hub usually needs two bearings, so that's pretty simple. When installed, put everything back together, but leave the wheels off. Put in a pack and set the throttle trim to 3/4 throttle. Let it run the pack down and repeat with a fresh pack Now the bearings are broken in and you can see how they will perform. A cool test would be the following. Stainless with metal shield. Stainless with rubber seal. Ceramic with metal shield. Ceramic with rubber seal.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your interesting comment.
@alvinleong1251
@alvinleong1251 2 жыл бұрын
There will always be people saying this test is invalid due do no load, wrong conditions, too much grease, too little oil or some other "clever" nonsense they can think of as the results are not to their liking. Thing is, you tested them under the same condition, same wheel, same weight, same size, same brand, same condition (new out of box). There is even one "clever" idiot that did not even bother to watch the whole video and said one test spin does not give a definitive results. I screenshot the final result for him.
@TheBod76
@TheBod76 Жыл бұрын
You would be a terrible scientist. ;)
@NordicRC
@NordicRC 8 жыл бұрын
Great experiment and video work. Subbed. Will check out your channel.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I am always watching your video, too.
@NordicRC
@NordicRC 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Found a lot of interesting videos in your channel! Such great professional looking videos. You are a master. Keep it up. I will be watching :-)
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you very much. I think your videos are high quality. It's beautiful. I am also looking forward to your new video.
@stevej.6674
@stevej.6674 3 жыл бұрын
The lube alone (or there lack of) will alter all the results - besides, it’s only worthwhile testing under load.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your educational comment : ) But I already see your point. And I don't think this is completely pointless.
@stevej.6674
@stevej.6674 3 жыл бұрын
CAGEMAN ch. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to sound harsh....I’ll retract the pointless comment...it was more to say that simply seeing how freely a bearing spins is kind of a moot exercise as it doesn’t reflect any quality of the bearing....more importantly, the poor quality. For example, only recently I was gifted some cheap Chinese bearing that stated “Swiss” ( haaa!)...and prior to using them, they spun as good as my $379 takino ceramic bearings. But as soon as you load them, they difference was absolutely amazing - night & day! Basically, the Chinese bearings, regardless HOW WELL they spun out of the box were basically useless when used.
@cagemanch.7567
@cagemanch.7567 3 жыл бұрын
At first, I must tell you the following: I have thought that ultimately, testing under load is required. I'm on your side : ) Your experience is helpful and interesting for me. Bearing selection and evaluation is not easy. Thank you for the two kind comments.
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