Tamron 150 600mm G2 Lens Review For Astrophotography

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In this video I break down the features, performance, and pros and cons of the Tamron 150-600mm G2 lens for astrophotography. I also include of few tips on how to get the best out of this lens.

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@Spetsnaz1984 2 жыл бұрын

I have bought this lens last year just for astrophotography and everybody thought I was crazy. Turns out, it was not a bad decision at all. I confirm the points the author makes in this review. I do have some additional comments though: - The lenshood is actually very valuable, do not throw it away but use it every session. It keeps out stray light, and more importantly, it's a significant barrier against dew formation. - The focus is indeed very sensitive and hard to get right. I recommend everyone to get a 'microfocuser'

@Broke-Ass-Trophotographer 2 ай бұрын

Do you have any recommendations on a brand of micro-focuser?

@ruthlessrog1 10 ай бұрын

Bro, i cant tell you enough how valuable your videos and insight are. As a newer AP enthusiast and a reg photog making the transition over. I used my Zeiss batis 85mm on (it has ED glass so i figured-why not give it a whack). Got great results from a lens i normally use for art portraits. You are An everyday shooters godsend my dude 💚

@JRBintothenight94 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. I love your way of explaining things. I have been considering getting this lens for a long time, I just have never pulled the trigger because i was skeptical. But now that I have seem this video...there is no question that I will be adding it to my line up.

@fabo1593 2 жыл бұрын

I recently had the idea of investing in this lens vs a traditional telescope for deep sky photography, it’s true that it has some weaknesses compared to a conventional scope such as focus creep, but honestly the specs on paper are more than suitable for astrophotography especially with a high quality GOTO mount! The fact that it can also be used for non-Astrophotography is also a huge plus! Glad you’ve created this video to further instill confidence in my temping decision.

@MazzifLOL 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Walt, thanks for the vid. I used the G1 when I was first getting into asto. Its a solid lens. Especially if you can pick it up 2nd hand on a deep discount. I captured M33 with the Tamron at 450mm. It turned out just as good as with a dedicated OTA costing 2x as much. ~Clear Skies

@rodspov1915 2 жыл бұрын

What a great review. I have this lens and I shoot Astro using a MSM and a z7 body. The combo comes short of 3KG. I got my own workflow now, and as an Astro noob, I’m very happy about the results. tracked by the MSM I can get 10s shots without any trails, so my flow requires hundreds of shots for good Nebulae detail. I shoot without the hood, I disable the lens vibration and I fine tune the focus using test shots in an IPad using the SnapBridge app before starting the intervalometer. Amazing shots, thanks for sharing.

@ReubenMRU Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this amazing review! You should have more subs! This was a really good presentation! Definitely earned one sub here!

@philipp5722 2 жыл бұрын

Dear Walt, I totally agree in your review. I do own the Sigma 150-600 which is compareable to the Tamron. I use my telephoto with my A7sa for astro and with my A7iii for day time. I do also love the wide field of useability. Packed this together with my Star Adventurer, it is my lightweight and quick set up when I am on holiday. Even a combination with my M-GEN is possible. Very great and once again thank you for your great summary. Yours Philipp from Germany

@lonnieclemens8028 3 ай бұрын

I am very much impressed with this video. You demonstrate a creative and positive attitude, which is essential when using camera lens. Now I'm in the mood for Astro-photography.

@hectorjr1986 2 жыл бұрын

I have this lens and I love it! Still have to learn how to polar align properly and get the right camera settings for the particular target but very impressed with what I have gotten so far

@paulbriaud3044 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome work! I really appreciate your astro videos. I was thinking about upgrading my gear with a telescope but on a star tracker as you say, the weight limit can be easily reached.

@jackbuchanan8138 2 жыл бұрын

Fellow 150-600 G2 owner here! I originally got the lens for wildlife photography since that’s my main area of focus. Got into astro a few months ago and it’s a great tool for that as well! Balancing/polar alignment is by far the hardest part and like you said in the video I only get 20-25 second exposures on my Star adventurer (if I’m lucky). Granted I don’t have a dovetail bracket so that’ll be the next purchase. Aperture is also not ideal but more total exposure time can help reduce the impact of it. Really the main advantage is flexibility. I can shoot whatever deep space targets I want aside from whole constellations or very tiny galaxies/nebulae. And it’s a great all around lens for daytime use too. This will be my “telescope” for a long time! 10/10 would recommend someone get a zoom lens like this before a fixed focal length telescope!

@btl743 2 жыл бұрын

FINALLY! Please keep putting out as many vids as possible.

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

I want to so bad! Gotta quit one of my damn jobs so I can have more time!

@btl743 2 жыл бұрын

@@deltaastrophotography I sent you a message on instagram the other day. I recently discovered your channel, and honestly you became one of my favorite’s. So, keep going when you can find time.

@davethinkingsystems 2 ай бұрын

Brilliant video, thanks for posting it. I feel really motivated. My daytime photography is soccer so I have a 150-600 sigma lens on my Cannon. I've just bought a startracker so wondered what the chances are of using the lens on it. You have confirmed its possible and produced some great photos of my favourite parts of space. Looking forward to getting out. Just need a tripod now. I thought I was going to be able to mount it on my normal tripod but no chance so I'm waiting for a new one to arrive :-)

@Ambress 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Walt, and much of what you said - not surprisingly - is equally applicable to the Sigma 150-600m Contemporary Zoom that was my primary astrophotography lens for use on my Nikon D850. But, the Sigma is heavier than the Tamron and, when paired with the D850, guide scope & cam, dovetails, cables...was around 9 lbs. I even used it with the Sigma TC-1401 1.4X teleconverter, admittedly at a cost of slight image degradation and and even slower lens. But, with careful balancing and good cable management, despite being well over the 50-60% max payload for recommended astrophotography payload weight, I still managed to get exposures of 12 minutes (maybe 13 on good nights) that were trail free, although more commonly shooting at around 6-8 minutes. That's with guiding from an ASIAir Pro on a Sky Watcher Star Adventurer Pro. As you said, for such setups a long dovetail plate is critical for achieving optimal balance of the DEC axis, and although some do use ball heads for mounting their gear, the heightened center of gravity (CoG) that introduces will significantly impact the ease of balancing the payload. For the Star Adventurer Pro, the beauty of the dovetail mount design of the counterweight arm is that it can be raised or lowered in the saddle on the face of the mount, to effectively control the CoG. But, a ball head adds bulk and weight I try to avoid, as sounds true for you also.

@arunhvk Жыл бұрын

thank you for this video, very helpful

@mohammadel-mohammadi5666 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video! Can you please do a review on the Sigma 150-600mm Sport model?

@mrevoix1 2 жыл бұрын

I was using my 75-300mm kit lens for a while but it just wasnt cutting it. So I purchased a sigma 150-600mm 2 weeks week and it’s great but couldn’t balance it on a ball head because the camera+lens is quite heavy. So I just mounted it straight on my SA mount and works fine. Only started astrophotography a month and learning a lot through ur videos and they’re very fun & informative!! Keep it up

@alvinmorris5404 2 жыл бұрын

Ditch the ball head for a good fluid pan and tilt head it's going to save your sanity and will keep you from getting extremely frustrated/quit astrophotography. I managed to get hold of two video tripods with pan and tilt heads that are a bit heavy for carrying out in the field but the stability is worth it when using a big lens like the sigma 150-600mm contemporary I have that same lens and I have really enjoyed it. Two pieces of equipment I would suggest are a lens heater and power pack then a good remote trigger to help avoid vibration, it offers more options that the built-in timer can't.

@exonysis8252 2 жыл бұрын

@@alvinmorris5404 can you tell me your lence plzz

@ronak_photos516 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the upload 👽👽

@orcharddweller1109 2 жыл бұрын

I have this lens, not the g1 or 2, it is pretty easy to focus, I was worried about buying having heard that you find it tricky, but am pleased to find it is ok.

@peterlaubscher3989 2 жыл бұрын

Love those images!

@jeroenmiddag1132 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. Im a beginner and for now im using my sigma-120-400 on my pentax K3 and the star adventurer. Its a great but heavy lens (bigma) and less good than a ED refractor. But i already have it voor shooting wildlife and i always say. The best gear is that what you carry with you. I am lokking into the pentax gps module so ik can also shoot tracked without a startrakker. So ik can shoot the nightsky on hiking trips with only the basics.

@datfoto Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the review, is very useful. I have the Star adventurer II and this lens and for me the main trouble always is the polar alignement. There is no other solution thant watch through that thiny scope to align? Is frustrating most of the times. Thank you so much.

@richardvernon7019 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video, Delta , especially as I had bought the Tamron 70 _ 300mm last fall for very similar reasons {weight, versatile for wildlife, too, price} I'm not on your level, but have improved my images of M 31, M42, Sculptor Galaxy from what I had achieved with the Rokinon 135mm {great lens, though} on an Omegon tracker. Still sought of Rube Goldberg , at this point, but am having fun and learning about the night sky.... I told my wife, " see great minds think alike"...she says " this guy?, making his face twisted when he is talking about the astrograph snobs and dressing up in animal costumes? Great!" Love the channel, clear skies....

@Y.Shishani 23 күн бұрын

I got this lense a while ago and you encouraged me to try it out again, as I was kind of frustrated with it.

@dennishaggerty8155 Жыл бұрын

This was informative. I have the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary lens and I wanted to see how you were using the lens. Which camera did you pair the with? I would like to know more about the dovetail mounts you were using. Can you post a link to those? Thanks!

@michaldubovsky1605 2 жыл бұрын

regarding the problem with tough focus ring, try the Canon app for remote camera control. You can actually use the app to focus (switch the lens to AF mode, use the app to find the proper focus, once you are done, switch the lens back to MF mode). It's really great feature of the app, because you do not need to physically touch the camera, so you do not introduce any shaking, which makes focusing with any focus ring more difficult. Since I found this feature of the app, I always focus with it, it's much, much easier than focusing with the ring on the lens.

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'll give it a try!

@evil510 2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more with this. Using the Canon app makes focusing a breeze on my Sigma 150-600 sport. Unfortunately my 5D3 doesn't have wifi so I'm stuck using the laptop version of the app. Not looking forward to taking my laptop to the field/camping. I wish the Asiair Plus supported DSLR focusing.

@evil510 2 жыл бұрын

I just found a phone app called HeliconRemote that allows remote camera control focusing through the USB port. It works fine on an iPhone, but doesn't seem to be working on Android at least on my 5D3.

@mirkocondoleo6985 Жыл бұрын

Hi, I have a Tamron 150/600 mm, I would like to use it on a SkyAdventure 2i, could you advise me which dovetail to buy because as you have already said in the video it is not possible to balance it, thank you

@Peter-lm3we 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one Walt!

@charliecorre9218 Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing you also do some synth-sound background to go with your Astro-films. That is so cool.

@easy56wedge 2 жыл бұрын

I have the same lens, and I really like it. Subscribed!

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

It really is the perfect lens to learn deep sky astrophotography!

@xaviercoutant635 Жыл бұрын

I got a Tamron 100 400 and I'm considering buying a Tamron 150 600 in order to shoot the moon. I hesitate though. Will my Star Adventurer be able to handle the weight of the Tamron 150 600 ? Did you run into balance problems with your star tracker?

@leocasi405 26 күн бұрын

have you tried adding a x2 teleconverter ?

@andrewbrooks2001 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. I have the Sony versionish Tameron lens (150-500mm). So far I have just used it for single exposure Pleiades and Orion Nebula

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet! How does the Sony perform? If I wasn't so deeply invested in Canon I would switch to Sony. Their cameras seem to be the best for low light photography.

@andrewbrooks2001 2 жыл бұрын

@@deltaastrophotography It's not bad honestly. I switched from Nikon to Sony and I am enjoying it. I originally got the 150 to 500mm for bird/wild life but so far astro has been fun too. Their is one thing I can say about using Sony cameras for astrophotography.... for long exposures, they all do really well.... but for the best night-time photos or astrophotography, I would go for the Sony A7S series instead of the mainline or high resolution variants.

@GediAstro 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a great review! I've got everything except a star tracker so I've been using my 70-200 f/2.8 lens because of that. But I really want to try my Tamron too. I have however noticed that my 70-200 lose focus after roughly 100 exposures. I've been thinking that It might be the temperatures (winter time in Sweden - Roughly -5 degrees C). But maybe it's because I don't lock in the focus. Have you experienced focus loss due to temperatures with the Tamron?

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! It doesn't happen every single night, but it does happen. More so than on my telescope. I did have some good luck recently though. I did some focusing with my bahtinov mask and left my gear outside set up after I was finished for the night. The next night I went to continue the imaging session and it was still perfectly in focus. That never happens!

@chetean 2 жыл бұрын

Thinking to buy Tamron vs redcat 51 as a beginner. What do you recommend?

@craiglowery4427 2 жыл бұрын

Great review/. I just bought this lens based on your recommendation. Tell me again what I need to connect it to the Sky Watcher Star Adventurer 2i

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

You can attach it directly to your tracker, but I recommend a PrimaLuceLab or ADM dovetail clamp. This will allow you to balance the DEC with this lens and also smaller telescopes with davetail bars.

@itsfahys 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the Video. Do you have a recommendation for a Light Starter Kit List for getting into Astrophotography.

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Start with getting a star tracker. Something like the iOptron Skyguider Pro (internal battery) or Skywatcher Star Adventurer (AA batteries or AC Power). For a camera, I would recommend a second hand Canon. You might want it astro-modified down the road! Also Canons work well with remote control units like the ASIAIR. For lenses, that Tamron 150-600 is great to start out with! I found mine for a good price on eBay. If you want to go the telescope route, I suggest the William Optics Red Cat, the Sharpstar 61, or the Radian 61.

@bencio22 2 жыл бұрын

Great wildlife shot there as well - you don't see those beasts often anymore these days! 11:25 xD

@michaellorentzen1672 2 жыл бұрын

Great video vixen bar/ plate do you recommend for the star adventurer? Even pointing me in the general direction would be helpful.

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

tinyurl.com/4ja8njcc For the clamp. tinyurl.com/yckvy4su for the bar. And here is the cheaper arca swiss option. tinyurl.com/2p9ax4ss

@solarsynapse 2 жыл бұрын

I have the Tamzooka for wildlife. Nice...and heavy! Only the Sigma can compare for the price/quality ratio.

@stay_at_home_astronaut 2 жыл бұрын

This is a good video

@Thephysiquemechanic Жыл бұрын

I just picked up a 150 to 600 mm Sigma lens for my a6000, what kind of star tracker would be one that's good to start off with so I can use this for some night sky stuff aside from the Moon LOL. Thanks so much love the video keep up the good work

@user-su2ql2if4k 9 ай бұрын

SkyGuider pro

@Thephysiquemechanic 9 ай бұрын

@@user-su2ql2if4k I actually got a skywatcher GTi now! Just need to how to use it

@letmepicyou 9 ай бұрын

Looking to upgrade my eclipse photography setup and considering this lens...currently am using Canon 400mm f5.6 L with a 2.0x extender on an 80D crop body for 1280mm actual. It works ok and I used it to shoot the 2017 eclipse, but was looking for something with a bit more reach for the 2024 eclipse. Was wondering if you've tried to shoot the sun with this lens, and especially if you've tried it with a 2.0x extender. I was kind of thinking this lens + a 2.0x extender might be the budget champion for eclipse photography. Your thoughts?

@cherylwilcox9648 4 ай бұрын

After getting frustrated with not so crisp images with my Nikon D7500 and a 6" imaging Newtonian telescope I originally planned to photograph the eclipse with, I rented this lens today from our local camera shop and liked it so much I ordered a used one on MPB. Today's practice with the lens went really well and will give me more reach than my kit zoom.

@letmepicyou 4 ай бұрын

@@cherylwilcox9648 Do you have a solar filter for it (eclipse is coming up REAL soon)? And if so, have you taken any sun pics with it yet?

@jeroenmiddag1132 2 жыл бұрын

And a little tip from me; i use rubber bands around the zoom ring and focus ring to create resistanse so the zome wont creep and the tight focus to stay in place on the zoomlens

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet! I'll try that with my focus ring! Thank you!

@jeroenmiddag1132 2 жыл бұрын

@@deltaastrophotography amazon also has anti lenscreep rubber bands. Good luck

@anteater74 2 жыл бұрын

What settings are you using on the camera fir stars photography? I'm mainly a wildlife photographer but interested in night sky photography

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

I use tracking mounts so I can track the sky very accurately and do long exposures. Usually ISO 800, f/7.1 with this lens, and two to three minute long exposures.

@seanbydawn8243 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been looking at this lens for AP as well as wildlife photography for awhile now. I have a canon 300mm IS L USM as well as the William optics redcat51 that I use primarily. Any idea on how the sigma stacks up against the canon 300? I’m only asking because I might consider selling the 300 to fund the sigma but…? lol. Bad case of the “I wants” perhaps. I like your videos man. Keep them coming. Your Ps videos are great too btw. Any on pixinsight? lol. Not sure if that program is brilliant or evil.

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

I don't have any thoughts on Sigma because I have yet to get my hands on one. I might try renting one and giving it a shot. And I really don't like Pixinsight. I think the color correction is incredible. Beyond that it's just annoyingly difficult to use. That's probably because I'm just used to photoshop. I recently got a free Photoshop plug-in called "hasta la vista green." It's pretty much the same thing as SCNR in Pixinsight. Although I own both I have yet to find a reason to make the switch.

@seanbydawn8243 2 жыл бұрын

@@deltaastrophotography I went to try the "Hasta la vista green" a few months back and only after trying to unsuccessfully load it did I realize (doh) that it is only for windows and not Mac. And, of course I run Mac. With your Tamron Lens it would really appear to have some bases covered and you are right about the weight of lens vs the telescope, focal length to focal length the lenses are impressively light. My Canon 300 is nearly as sharp as my Redcat and it too uses Fluorite so it is quite good with color correction. No magenta stars. I have sold off most of big and heavy scopes and mounts etc as I didn't use them as much as the lighter and easier to actually use setup that I use now which is the Star Adventurer. For daytime use I use a Canon 70-200 L USM lens (for a zoom) but the non IS version and for AP it is amazing as well on my 90d. Pixinsight I have had for awhile and have tried to use it exclusively for image processing. Then, after a couple o' hours of hair pulling and teeth gnashing I break out the Scotch. I cannot seem to fully wrap my head around the program either. In some ways it is very simple and straight forward and in other ways I think that it was created in the 9th circle of Hell. Oh Dante you devil... that was a surprise. I use Ps most of the time now and especially when I just can't seem to get (ah pixel math, pixel math) it done in Pixinsight. I actually started processing with Affinity Photo to be honest and your tutorials with Ps have been a great help as in Affinity I know how to do a lot of things but they are different enough to not be able to connect the dots perfectly from one program to the other. So, keep up the good work and we out here appreciate what you are doing on your tube.

@AndreH3d 2 жыл бұрын

I wish you made a quick impression comparison witht he sigma 150-600

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

I might rent that lens one day and do a comparison!

@loismcmurchy3824 2 жыл бұрын

Love❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@yervantparnagian5999 2 жыл бұрын

I've used this lens with great success for wildlife and was considering using it for Astro too. Why would you not use a lens hood though? It can stop stray light from hitting the lens from the sides. Another option is using a Tamron 100-400. It saves a lot of weight and size. On a Nikon crop, you'll still get a 600mm FL.

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

The reason I don't use the lens hood is that when I'm doing 3 minute exposures at 600mm, even the slightest bit of movement can ruin the entire photo. The hood with that particular lens is extremely large and basically acts as a wind sail. On a good calm night it doesn't really matter.

@user-hg9cx5xs9x Жыл бұрын

Nice to meet you, Did you wear a filter when shooting stars at night with a telephoto lens?

@deltaastrophotography Жыл бұрын

I did not! I live in a very dark location. I recently purchased an Optolong L-Pro filter and always use it in my camera. But back then I had no filter.

@user-hg9cx5xs9x Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I want to know about Optolong L-Pro filter, IS it light filter(Light pollution filter) ?

@dustnuri Жыл бұрын

What is the name and do you have a link for the dovetail for the Declaration of point

@deltaastrophotography Жыл бұрын

tinyurl.com/32tnhk2r Here is what I used

@marvinjulch3681 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Walt! Could you please tell me, which counterweight and bar you use? Big thanks and greets from Germany! :) Marv

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

I'm using the counterweight that came with my Skyguider Pro and the William Optics extension bar!

@marvinjulch3681 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your quick answer, Walt!!

@marvinjulch3681 2 жыл бұрын

And for this great video! Good job!! 🙇🏻

@davefried 2 жыл бұрын

which telescope do you refer to, the one that gives you sharp stars?

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Radian Raptor 61. Or just Radian 61 now.

@vijaygopal101 2 жыл бұрын

Daayum!!!! I had this feeling/doubt forever, that I'd seen you somewhere before...holy "iguanas", you're the frontman of Cold! I really love Stupid Girl :) I guess all the music gear was the giveaway! I do hope this hunch is right! Your astro videos are on truly another level! Funny, entertaining, inspiring, and educational, which is rare in this nerd-speak-only niche community! And now to an aching question, doubt, conundrum, possible next video idea ; ) Can you use the ioptron skyguider to somehow polar align, when Polaris is not visible, like, say, when the NCP is at about exactly 10.5 degrees north lat? And, let's say, you have a bunch of coconut trees, and 4-5-story buildings obscuring the NCP, or worse, your NCP is totally blocked, say, your only celestial gateway is a balcony facing anywhere but north! Just your regular near-equatorial third-world problems : ) Can you use something "relatively" cheap, instead of a full-on go-to mount, like the skyguider or star adventurer, that doesn't have dec control for polar alignment, with a laptop or wireless desktop connection, or asi air or astroberry or i-don't-know to polar align, at least to some degree of accuracy, when the bloody NCP is frigging obscured by more than clouds?!!! (that was a pink floyd reference there... : ) Do keep the good stuff coming. Much love from Kerala, India! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nK2EZLSD3ry9po0.html that's you there, isn't it??? : ) Or what a frigging doppelgänger!!!!

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure about being the front man of Cold! 😂😂 But the ASIair has a feature called All Sky Alignment which is supposed to be for people who can't see Polaris. I'll give it a try on the Skyguider when I get a clear night!

@vijaygopal101 2 жыл бұрын

@@deltaastrophotography thanks a lot for the prompt response! That would be a good idea and a very enlightening video. But I could've sworn you were the vocalist of Cold! Glad I didn't make some crazy bet! Cheers! And kudos for the great content.

@Drengr19 2 жыл бұрын

What do you think of Williams Optics Redcat 51?

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

I personally haven't used one, but I think it's very comparable to my Radian 61 which I love. It's my favorite scope to image with.

@Drengr19 2 жыл бұрын

@@deltaastrophotography right on. Thank you for the reply. Appreciate the videos has really helped me out.

@DLMVegas 2 жыл бұрын

Myself I use the Sigma version of this lens. Works for me.

@falubii9712 2 жыл бұрын

Lmao, loved your ‘wildlife’ photo

@steveparsons3498 2 ай бұрын

The reindeer made this video awesome!

@hangerbird 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Too bad you didn't include showing the balancing process. That would give us an idea on the challenge to balance this lens.

@deltaastrophotography 2 жыл бұрын

Here is a brief explanation from this video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLeBkpelr8_HnHU.html And here is from another video! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8Wji9BqtsmwdWw.html