Great point. It would have made more sense if she were robbed of a destiny to have been a princess of a kingdom. Not just "I wanted the horrible child abusing mom! How dare you have be chosen by her over me!"

Yeah ! I still don't understand this whole "I m taking what's mine!" thing ! She CHOOSE to stay by Raps's side! And now she decide that she's overshadowing her? It's not fair! Like she says she's "waiting for her time to shine"... but she's litteraly on a "saving the world" adventure!.. Why isn't that enought??? I do adore this character... but this still bugs me...

@@lyna4164 Rapunzel burned Cass's hand after admitting that she couldn't control the hurt incantation and she attempted to bring Rapunzel back to her senses to get her out of a crumbling structure. Rapunzel in the very next episode says: "I had everything under control and had she stayed out of it..." P.S. She doesn't apologize to Cass in the episode, Cass just says "I'll get over it" as if that fixes everything(pretty sure Cassandra knew Rapunzel wouldn't own up)

Or just replace her with an Original Character, Like a Forth Acolyte of Zhan Tiri.

Absolutely

It's even more healthy. This Series panders way too much on traumas, it's unwatchable to Kiddos after "Happiness is" from Season 2 hiatus. Cass is cancelled from her true love for Raps, romantic or unconditional. Fanfics give her this right, with more sense, if it's not with shame.

I wouldn't say that it panders to trama. Heck I would say that it kinda sweeps some of them under the rug sometimes compared to the source material. While I'm not going to say burn canon in favor of fanon there are somethings that can be further explored or what ifs that would be interesting to see done.

True that, might look some up for this series later, there’s some legitimate cool plot lines too bad it’s kinda skewered in Canon, so Fanfiction is the next best thing to make a story with potential into what could’ve been and even fix the story, in an alternative timeline.

Yeah but now Disney hiring people to make fanfiction in The twisted tail series we shall really what if scenarios on Disney movies but what makes this very interesting is tangle books description watch once was mine which this book literally describes Rapunzel having destructive powers that comes from the Moon her parents giving her to mother gothel and the new original character with Flynn so first of all did the writer of this book need to see if he's in the side to do this based off of the series or is it just a coincidence that this just has to have Moon Palace in the book the world this book be connected to the series or not

Indeed There's one fanfic (on Archive of Our Own) called "darkness exists to make light truly count" which is a really good read. It's basically an AU where Varian and Rapunzel grew up alongside each other in the same tower. To be clear, I'm not the author of the story, just recommending a good story to read

EXACTLY! after trying to break the amber with her hair, and hes crying about it, rapunzel and her family just hug each other infront of him and DO NOTHING. like, way to rub it in that you have a happy family while his father is trapped infront of him

@@itsgibbybaby7173 EXACTLY

@@itsgibbybaby7173 To be fair, I wouldn‘t really care about my mother‘s kidnapper‘s feelings after I just got her back.

THANK YOU!!!

@@louisthehedgehog2005 If this was some random ass person who kidnapped her mother, I'd agree with that sentiment. However, this was her supposed friend that she ignored several times after he begged for help with his father.

Hmm,works for me Too bad Chris didn't care

If I recall correctly, Eugene specifically says that Cass could do something Rapunzel didn’t like to protect her. The stage was set well enough for your idea. What could’ve worked (but sadly Chris chose not to do) would be that that was her original intention WAS that, but after taking the stone, it made her remember Gothel and THEN Cass becomes corrupted.

​@sofialozano4031 that's actually a better plot and makes a lot of sense

This comment is way too intelligent for this show. And soooo right. Man! I've never thought of it that way. It s genius x)

well that's about past, but both eugene and rapunzel got their very lucky moments to shine (rapunzel turned out to be a princess and eugene found her AND turned out to be a prince) which they to be honest didn't really work for.. Everyone around gets those moments (even Hookfoot although he DID work for it but it's still luck) and cassandra doesn't. Everyone's lifes go from bad (or not that bad) to pretty good while hers stays mediocre. She's working her ass off to get to her dreams (and then an ex-criminal gets her dream job BEFORE her just because he accidentally banged a princess) waiting (in the wings) for her lucky moment but it doesn't come. She gets an opportunity to lead the guards in the end of the first season but it leads to nothing as she gets off on an adventure woth a princess who trusts a random lady she met hours ago more than she trusts cassandra. And it builds up till cassandra injures her hand because of all this nonsense and HAS TO RELEARN SWORDFIGHTING AGAIN (because she still works her ass off while princess just doodles her as a villain thanks i guess) And then while everyone accidentally got royal parents her mother turned out to be a hated villain... By this point it's not surprising that she decided that her lucky moment isn't coming and all her hard work leads to nothing so she just tried another method.

@@user-pv4lo7yp5h I honestly think that, if that's what the writers wanted us to understand then they should have pushed the line even harder... because we don't get to see much of her effort that often... like it's there for 2 or 3 épisodes but the rest of the show she's just seen as badass, not "underrated" (ok that because rapunzel can't be seen as a bad person but still my point is still valid) Plus I don't like the morality behind her arc. Like it's ok to become a bad person because you don't get the glory you're looking for. (I say it's "ok" because this part of her rebellion is never point as bad, she always explains her thoughts in songs and even if SHE's pointed as the vilian, her reasons are never pointed as bad) We have to empathize with a person who's that much searching for glory that she's willing to sacrifice everything she has, and has build because... she has no luck ? I really don't like this idea, like... the world doesn't work like that... Your choices are what make your dreams comes true... If she wanted glory, she could have, I don't know... LEAVE CORONA? Like a said previously she chose to stay x) I know it really sound like the boring "american dream" but it's not, at least I don't think of it that way (because I'm french btw if you missed my mistakes xS)

It's like how Dr doofenshmirtz is. Dr doofenshmirtz had alot of bad things happen to him but he was still a kinda good person who wasn't really a villain. The alternative universe version of him only had his train taken from him. And he ended up taking over the planet and being a villain.

@Ultra Trash, Honestly; it's bad writing, that Rapunzel being raised by a neglectful and emotionally abusive captor for 18 years, isn't even talked about that much in the show. The show SHOULD have talked about Rapunzel's trauma and insecurities and how life WAS hard for her. But it fails to do that.

Bro I thought Eugene was gonna get it :(

@@vincentluna1774 me too :(

Wheezing

I feel bad for the McDonald’s worker Lmao

So do you want fries with that or

The only one who actually tried to talk to him was the queen in that same song gosh damn all he needed was a visit and hug from rapunzel

Fr.

Yeah, Jeremy Jordan does this SO WELL!

The most ridiculous part is how she blames Rapunzel for EVERYTHING wrong with her life in such a venomous and horrible way. I have no sympathy for Cass, she was cruel to everyone even her dad who was such a caring father to her when she was abandoned by Gothel. Rapunzel wasn't guilty of harming Cass like she was of being absolutely uncalled for with how she treated Varian, to Cassandra Rapunzel was only guilty of disagreeing with her once or twice and it wasn't world ending things.

Same They should have gave her better motives

I really wish they had actually spent time building her a character instead of a ton of crappy filler episodes no one wanted

I would've loved it if she were Edmund's child instead of Eugene. In "Waiting in the Wings," she sees a phantom rider who looks like her. I thought it was all set up for her to gain her freedom in the Dark Kingdom.

what😊

I agree!!

And then Cass has the guts to get angry at him for not telling him who her real mother was but then not listen to a thing he has to say. I'm pretty sure that if people found out who Cass' mom was, the kidnapper of the beloved princess, they would have treated her badly. Once she was old enough to know how to keep a secret he should have told her, sure, but maybe he thought Cass would just suffer more knowing the truth (which she really did once Zhan Tiri talked to her).

You guys really need to read the book Mother Knows Best Cassandra is not a gothel's daughter because she never lived in the cottage to begin with she is having to get these fake memories which some of the memories might have been Rapunzel memories from when she lived in the cottage until she got her memories changed to think she was living in the tower for her whole life

@@davidalicea6705 You do realize that book is not canon to the movie or the TV show, right? It's more like an official fanfiction.

i hate when media makes it sound like adoptive parents are inherently inferior to biological parents.

Ok, but the song by itself is still a banger.

@@harmonetheanimationaddict4419 It was a good song but it shouldn’t have been in that moment.

It’s Disney, what did you expect.

If ur talking about ready as I'll ever be.Nah I like it.. it's serious. And great.

@@Gundam_JAY I believe we were referring to Let Me Make You Proud

Ikr? I personally headcanon that Varian was actually pissed (or at least bitter) about that, but didn’t want to start anything, and even if he did, he didn’t think he’d be listened to.

Ikr!! I think if she was forgiven at all it should have been a gradual thing that made sense, I always felt bad for varían and wished they spent time on the interesting world and character building then the filler episodes that didn’t make sense half the time

@@YouveBeenMegged fair!!

@@Ilikeflowers00 totally true. she didn’t work for forgiveness like he did and that pissed me off. he deserved more

I still wanted to see Cass get redemption, but I wanted the writers to have the guts, to have Rapunzel actually take a dark turn and threaten to do whatever it takes to take out Cass, rather than just the whole, "I dont want to fight her, because she's my friend, and friends never give up on each other".

bro really said "fick corruption, I'ma do it myself" and I love him for that

@@spaghetti5914 Exactly. Short of trying to kill Cassandra and Arianna, everything else homeboy did felt like justice to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

😂 boi was 95% justified

SAME

Yes

IM LISTENING 👹👹👺👹👹👺✨

@@lunasspace2694 wait seriously?

The word “listen” aggravates Cassandra because she doesn’t like being told what to do. If she Rapunzel hadn’t used “wait” and “listen” maybe Cassandra would have stopped.

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Basically, while the Gothel thing worked as a tipping point for Cass, it shouldn't have been her motivation in season 3.

YES there were like... Three different occasians where Rep basically took away or held back Cass's ability to do things she *truly* wanted (being the strongest warrior in corona, going to the warrior girl kingdom, and i think one or two other things) and the (totally false of course) idea that Rep took Cass's mother away from her because Rep was better or whatever was basically the breaking point. And Cass was alwats made to feel lesser than Rep, just a worker under the princess

I actually disliked Rapunzel's behavior at times. It came across as selfish, arrogant and at times reckless.

@@thunderbird1921 Honestly, same. If my friend were that pushy I'd drop them.

@@CJ-zy4io How about when she nearly got Eugene arrested (and possibly herself) when they visited a kingdom that he was still wanted for crimes in?

I do agree with the idea of making Cassandra's song sound more heroic than villainous as it's through her perspective, but I feel like completely leaving out a villainous tone to it made it too triumphant. It felt like we were supposed to be rooting for her instead of watching her begin to descend into villainy. I still enjoy the song and understand what they were going for, but I feel that adding a bit more of a darker or corrupted tone could've helped Cass feel more like she was becoming a villain that thinks she's in the right

Agreed

Don't bother, this woman is dumb as bricks.

Haha truuuuueeeeee

You’re illiterate

I know. And now there are fans that are reading into it.

@@Passions5555 Yeah and when you get them too close with making facial reactions that look too ... lewd or flirty it becomes baiting which happens a lot

@@dcscruz2970 yes. thank you. I was getting some intense gay vibes from them, even just the clips shown of cass/rap in this vid--it's REALLY strange, especially when they're constantly flirting and rap winks at cass???? like what is the goal here

@@thedarkoverlordofall uhh.... an AU ship?

@@nelmae6026 my lesbian self will ship two female characters for Much less reason than this, but this ship is literally completely supported by canon??? they are literally CONSTANTLY flirting and it's like Eugene is just cast to the side lmao

Lmao i was one of those people who had wild Varian theories 😂👌

Glad Varian is normal instead related to the moon opal. I never liked the moon Varian theories at all. He is the badass normal with genius level intelligence. That's all he needs to be.

@@Passions5555 Agreed, I think it's more interesting that a normal person with no powers can still be a formidable threat and intelligent, rather than being given godlike powers for no reason.

@@Passions5555 I feel like he should have been related to Demetrius or something. Like give both Demetrius and Varian a hair-strip so we know they are related

@@Dream_Sweet_In_Sea_Major I don't know about him being related to him at all. I am content with Varian being a man of science who has the potential to be equal to Demanitis in intellect, skill, and innovation. A worthy successor. I do however think it is a crime that Varian NEVER got the chance to interact with Demanitis. A woeful lost in opportunity.

I noticed that too and I think that's a very nice detail they added to the movie I wish they did the same with varian but his song still slaps though

Unrelated, but I love your profile picture! Down to Earth is such a great comic.

@@DasOrange omgg i was gonna comment that too! :D

Yup, and Rapunzel was a terrible friend to Cass,whether she meant to or not

They're not justifications, but they're EXPLANATIONS. Cassandra was obviously not justified, otherwise she wouldn't be the freaking villain during season 3. But I guess some people think that all characters in all media have to act perfectly logical and rational and all of their actions must be justified. Something like "moral greyness" is apparently completely lost on these guys.

Yeah it is essentially her feeling like she can finally take her place center stage why would she despair over getting the power to take what she feels is her rightful place at the top.

it still feels really tonally weird and its still tied to the whole stupid "cassandra's evil now" plot like, Cassandra turned evil and now her song has a happy, uplifitng tone to it rather than a villain song. It feels WRONG.

@@sarafontanini7051 yeah shes evil but that isn't what the song is about. It's not about what she's doing, it's about what she's feeling about it.

@@sarafontanini7051 The thing is she doesn't see herself as a villain she sees it as she decided to dedicate herself to protecting her friend who has been interfering ignoring or undermining everything she tries to do since someone new came on the scene so why should she keep letting someone hold her back from the greatness she could achieve why should she have a dark villain song when she is the hero of her own story tired of being pushed down to side kick and helper most of her life she knows she is doing something bad but it is for the good of her future and to achieve her dreams after feeling pushed to the side most of her life why have a dark song when she is happy and excited to step into the spotlight

@@TrueLiesLost The best songs are used to tell the audience a story. The story wanted to tell the audience that Cas was happy and felt she was doing the right thing yes, but it also wanted to convey that she had betrayed Rapunzel and was going to be the bad guy of the season. If they were going to convey her as anti-hero it would have made more sense, but for the story they were telling, the song should have been able to convey both happy triumph and sinister foreshadowing / betrayal. Music is a powerful medium and it was underutilised in this scene. To contrast, 'Let it go' was originally conceived as a villain song, but it was so triumphant that the story was literally rewritten to make Elsa a heroic character. In this case though I think all they needed to do was change to a minor key or add a little dissonance to the chords whenever Rapunzel was in frame. They could also reduce the backing instrumentation as the song goes on, as if members of the chorus are abandoning Cas in her quest. It would have been good to make her victory seem a little hollow and convey how she's on her own now.

Yeah, in a show were unusually colored hair was a sign of magic, that explanation was bull.

and LITERALLY he had it as a kid too?????? like that’s so weird just to be nothing important. the theories were way cooler than it turned out to be

I thought it was a mad scientist trope, like dr.frankenstein

@@kyra7152 my headcannon is that Varian is the true last descendant of the Dark Kingdom’s royal family. Hence the hair stripe

Let's be honest, that kid's hair has been bleached, burnt and blasted so many times that he's lucky he isn't bald. He probably had a chemical burn on his head and the hair that grows out of the scar is discolored.

Dammit ya got me

True

Not mine I hate him!

​@@FantasticFawnleapImagine hating Varian🤯💀💀

@@Gh0stAndPals imagine not hating on him for being overrated!

Same

Omg me to I was like I swear if I don’t see him (and i mean him not some illusions) thought all season 2 ima be mad and I am xD.

@@Cookiecat1212 nice profile pic

smae

Honestly, I saw his design somewhere and it got me to watch the show. But after noticing Varian not being in a lot of the episodes, I just stopped watching.

This is one of the few reasons I didn't want to watch the series even though I do watch the clips or listen to people talking about it. I don't really enjoy a lot of characters but I absolutely love how human Eugene is; to hear how he doesn't get much attention in the series puts me off, mostly because he was a well-rounded character to me in the movie :(

Well I finally finished watching the series a month ago and It was underwhelming and somewhat dissatisfied by the end. There’s cool elements in the show, ESPECIALLY WITH VARIAN, THE DARK KINGDOM, ZAN TIRI, Demanitcles, AND THE BROTHERHOOD!! People and Lore that definitely deserves to be explored more. Well there’s always Fanon to fall back on when the Canon fails me.

They really slept on Eugene and I hate it

Yeah it’s pretty much why I didn’t watch this series. I loved the dialogue between rapunzel and Eugene. Heck the dude is my fav Disney ML next to Kuzco. So when I heard tangled got a series I thought “nice, more adventures with rapunzel and Eugene.” But nah that did not happen.

This stupid series completely destroyed Flynn's character. They reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character in favor of Cassandra and gave all the development and emotional scenes to Rapunzel and Cassandra when in the movie it was about Rapunzel and Flynn, and they were completely equal and equally developed. They both saved each other, instead of one person doing all the saving. In the series Rapunzel just does all the saving! Also, in the movie they were dual protagonists and Flynn was just as important as Rapunzel. In the series Flynn is completely sidelined and the trauma he should have is never mentioned. Instead, it’s all about Cassandra. It’s because of frozen, they gave rapunzel a sister and focused only on the sister relationship while dumping down the boyfriend. It’s also because of stupid modern feminism where they always have to portray every man as a weak, stupid Idiot and every woman as a Mary Sue! That’s just turning the sexism around and discriminate men instead of women! I really hate that, Flynn deserves better! What makes me feel worse about this stupid series is that I listened to the Tangled Songs and Story CD and there the narrator literally says at the end that Flynn mattered more to Rapunzel than anything which is true in the movie but definitely false in this stupid series. There it always seems Like Cassandra Matters more to her than Flynn and that makes the whole ending of the movie unbelievable where she was willing to sacrifice herself Just to save him because she Loved him so much. So it Just makes No logical Sense that she would suddenly Always Put a Person she met afterwards before him If she really loved him as much as in the movie. And I hate that she is such a hypocrite in the series who lets Cassandra Always insult him without saying a Word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag and never even apologizes and rejects his proposals but gets Mad when her supposed true Love for whom she wanted to Go to hell says Something against Cassandra. That is the Most toxic relationship I've ever Seen. And what I hate about the whole marriage Thing in this context is that they are basically saying that it's Not ok to marry someone whom you deeply and truly Love after a few months but it's OK to try to give up your entire freedom and basically your entire life for someone whom you Just met three days ago. If they Love each other that much that they would do Something Like that after only having known each other for a few days than their Love is so strong and true and then they could and should marry after a Short time Especially considering the time period the movie is Set where they could only truly be together after being married. And If Disney wanted to Show a couple Not marrying so soon they should have taken a different couple than Rapunzel and Flynn because they proved how deeply and truly they Loved each other after a few days and since they almost Lost each other it would make Sense that they wouldn't want to lose more time together after they saw how Short life can be and besides, their Story Takes place in a time where people married early. They should have rather Had Tiana and Naveen marry only after a few years because they dont seem Like they fit very well together and didnt try to die for each other after a few days and furthermore their Story Takes place in the 1920s, Not the 1700s. They would have been perfect for Not marrying immidiately, Not Rapunzel and Flynn who seem like the worst candidates for this in my opinion. And that whole rejecting marriage plotline is the worst Storyline I've ever Seen. They send the Message that marriage is a prison even though you Love each other and that is such a horrible Message. And it's Especially horrible how in the Episode beyond the Corona walls, it seems Like that she never wanted to marry him at the beginning of the Episode which raises the question why the hell she is even still with him If a life with him seems so horrible to her and also why the hell she wouldn't want to marry the man she Loved that much that she wanted to Go to prison for for all eternity in the movie. It Just doesn't make any logical Sense and is inconsistent with the movie and also the Wedding Short where she looked so deeply in Love and so incredible Happy. It Just doesn't make Sense that she would have rejected the proposal before. And whats worse is that in that Episode it seems Like she only changed her mind about marriage because Stalyan wanted him which makes it seem like she only wants him when another girl wants him which is so incredibly toxic. If someone considers marriage as a prison, then that means they are subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up! I analyzed this once in school about a book where a guy who considered marriage as a prison in a similar way as Rapunzel in this stupid series, ended up cheating on his girlfriend! And that is precisely what would happen in real life! When someone rejects marriage, the relationship is over! And I'm pretty Sure the writers of Tangled intended for tangled ever After to Take place shortly after the movie because the little girls of the movie seemed to be the Same age in the Short and Wikipedia also states it was originally intended to Take place immediately after the movie. The series Just doesn't seem believable and seems Like it Takes place in a completely different universe as the movie. And I Just can't consider it Canon because of all These reasons and it's obvious that it was written by someone else than the movie. So, Right now I Just Count it as Not Canon to still be able to watch the movie. If I Had to Count it as Canon, then I Wish Flynn would have stayed dead at the end of the movie and wasnt brought back to life. It would have been a very sad and tragic ending but it would have at least been better than showing such a toxic relationship between two characters who were both trying to sacrifice themselves for each other.

Whoa. Weird. Honestly, because of the way Varian & Cassandra were handled, this TV series is... kind of a clusterfuck. The two main conflicts - Rapunzel vs. Varian and Rapunzel vs. Cassandra - feel weirdly forced and inorganic. These kind of friend vs. friend conflicts work better when one friend is doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Not when one friend is selfish or over-the-top vengeful.

Was the post called "Tangled Salt review" or something else? There are many problems with this show, especially how Rapunzel neglects Varian because she just loves to sit around and mope and only be concerned how she feels

Plus he is also an alt-right nutcase

Just like Thomas astruc

​@@countingstars-oq3id Was thinking the same thing.

i AGREE 😭😭

I clicked off the video the first time I tried watching it because of that but I'll grit my teeth this time and try to get further xd

Agreed, it was weird af half of the time

That doesn´t stop the shippers, that´s for sure.. XD

Ehh not really. Cass, if anything, treated Rapunzel as a little sister. I feel like people just be reaching with this ship. Aye but that’s pretty much most shippers. They desperately find the tiniest things to justify their ship 😂

@@angelaharris9714 Little things? I do not think so. Cassandra has the type of character that is often given to lesbian in animated series. Her various gestures and glances indicate that she likes Rapunzel. Maybe it is not love above life, but temporary infatuation, but these are also not "little things"

@@Idkidc2173 it seems more like sisterly love to me. They literally refer to themselves as sisters. 😂 But whatever people going to see only what they want to see. Even if she was coded as that, one thing for sure is she didn’t have a thing for Rapunzel. The writers wouldn’t do that, since her and Eugene were always meant to be together. That’s a reach.

I feel like the writers kept changing their mind about who this show was aimed at

exactly what i’ve been saying

@@Rcoal Just like Frozen 2.

I feel like Cassandra probably would have ended up with Rapunzel if they made it for a bit older kids like you were thinking about.And if Rapunzel and Eugene weren't made for each other(literally) in the movie.But in the show they literally gave his role to Cassandra. Am I the only one who saw the wink Rapunzel gave her? If they wanted to prevent Rapunzel and Cassandra ships they would have given Eugene more of a prominent role instead of making him a sidekick and like I wrote not giving his part to Cassandra.

@@Rcoal which one?

At least all the stuff that was unexplored makes really good fanfic fodder, and Disney can’t tell us it’s not canon anymore!

This stupid series completely destroyed Flynn's character. They reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character in favor of Cassandra and gave all the development and emotional scenes to Rapunzel and Cassandra when in the movie it was about Rapunzel and Flynn, and they were completely equal and equally developed. They both saved each other, instead of one person doing all the saving. In the series Rapunzel just does all the saving! Also, in the movie they were dual protagonists and Flynn was just as important as Rapunzel. In the series Flynn is completely sidelined and the trauma he should have is never mentioned. Instead, it’s all about Cassandra. It’s because of frozen, they gave rapunzel a sister and focused only on the sister relationship while dumping down the boyfriend. It’s also because of stupid modern feminism where they always have to portray every man as a weak, stupid Idiot and every woman as a Mary Sue! That’s just turning the sexism around and discriminate men instead of women! I really hate that, Flynn deserves better! What makes me feel worse about this stupid series is that I listened to the Tangled Songs and Story CD and there the narrator literally says at the end that Flynn mattered more to Rapunzel than anything which is true in the movie but definitely false in this stupid series. There it always seems Like Cassandra Matters more to her than Flynn and that makes the whole ending of the movie unbelievable where she was willing to sacrifice herself Just to save him because she Loved him so much. So it Just makes No logical Sense that she would suddenly Always Put a Person she met afterwards before him If she really loved him as much as in the movie. And I hate that she is such a hypocrite in the series who lets Cassandra Always insult him without saying a Word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag and never even apologizes and rejects his proposals but gets Mad when her supposed true Love for whom she wanted to Go to hell says Something against Cassandra. That is the Most toxic relationship I've ever Seen. And what I hate about the whole marriage Thing in this context is that they are basically saying that it's Not ok to marry someone whom you deeply and truly Love after a few months but it's OK to try to give up your entire freedom and basically your entire life for someone whom you Just met three days ago. If they Love each other that much that they would do Something Like that after only having known each other for a few days than their Love is so strong and true and then they could and should marry after a Short time Especially considering the time period the movie is Set where they could only truly be together after being married. And If Disney wanted to Show a couple Not marrying so soon they should have taken a different couple than Rapunzel and Flynn because they proved how deeply and truly they Loved each other after a few days and since they almost Lost each other it would make Sense that they wouldn't want to lose more time together after they saw how Short life can be and besides, their Story Takes place in a time where people married early. They should have rather Had Tiana and Naveen marry only after a few years because they dont seem Like they fit very well together and didnt try to die for each other after a few days and furthermore their Story Takes place in the 1920s, Not the 1700s. They would have been perfect for Not marrying immidiately, Not Rapunzel and Flynn who seem like the worst candidates for this in my opinion. And that whole rejecting marriage plotline is the worst Storyline I've ever Seen. They send the Message that marriage is a prison even though you Love each other and that is such a horrible Message. And it's Especially horrible how in the Episode beyond the Corona walls, it seems Like that she never wanted to marry him at the beginning of the Episode which raises the question why the hell she is even still with him If a life with him seems so horrible to her and also why the hell she wouldn't want to marry the man she Loved that much that she wanted to Go to prison for for all eternity in the movie. It Just doesn't make any logical Sense and is inconsistent with the movie and also the Wedding Short where she looked so deeply in Love and so incredible Happy. It Just doesn't make Sense that she would have rejected the proposal before. And whats worse is that in that Episode it seems Like she only changed her mind about marriage because Stalyan wanted him which makes it seem like she only wants him when another girl wants him which is so incredibly toxic. If someone considers marriage as a prison, then that means they are subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up! I analyzed this once in school about a book where a guy who considered marriage as a prison in a similar way as Rapunzel in this stupid series, ended up cheating on his girlfriend! And that is precisely what would happen in real life! When someone rejects marriage, the relationship is over! And I'm pretty Sure the writers of Tangled intended for tangled ever After to Take place shortly after the movie because the little girls of the movie seemed to be the Same age in the Short and Wikipedia also states it was originally intended to Take place immediately after the movie. The series Just doesn't seem believable and seems Like it Takes place in a completely different universe as the movie. And I Just can't consider it Canon because of all These reasons and it's obvious that it was written by someone else than the movie. So, Right now I Just Count it as Not Canon to still be able to watch the movie. If I Had to Count it as Canon, then I Wish Flynn would have stayed dead at the end of the movie and wasnt brought back to life. It would have been a very sad and tragic ending but it would have at least been better than showing such a toxic relationship between two characters who were both trying to sacrifice themselves for each other.

@@mariechen4375 Damn, I mean, I agree that it is stupid that Rapunzel wouldn't marry Eugene, ig she just didn't want any committed. Many things would have made sense if the show was set after the wedding short because we don't see Eugene's father or his friends or Cassandra. Also, it's not like Eugene is the kind of husband who wouldn't allow his wife to go out for an adventure.

better idea: have Varian act as a villain working alongside the demon person whose name I can't spell. Have her use him for her plans while promising to help him solve all the problems in the world.

@@sarafontanini7051 Would make sense using him but I don’t know but I feel like the demon is Cass’s mother. Why Cass out of all the villains??

Yeah but now Rapunzel's parents are the horrible ones and mother gothel is not because in the book well once was mine Rapunzel's parents gave it to mother gothel so yeah now her parent was a horrible and Cassandra's parent is not evil

@@davidalicea6705 What are you talking about

@@tkyng2885 I was hoping that the ghost was really Mother Gothel manipulating Cass to do her bidding and get revenge or something like that. It would have tied in great to how both she and Rapunzel were abused by her and technically sisters, and the effects of that abuse can manifest in different ways with different family members.

Exactly, Cassandra didn't finally made a choice to be good again, it's just that her powers to be a villain got stolen in a very stupid way (Did Cassandra really expect someone like Zhan Tiri to be hold back by a few black stones? She did a lot of dumb things in the last season but that one took the cake for me). Cass and Rap never had a real talk about why Cass did what she did, why Gothel didn't value any of them and she shouldn't be missed, why Cass already has a family in her father and friends, why Cass isn't just Rap's shadow, how Rap could treat her friends better and like her true equals etc. But no, just have Cass cry after she loses her power and help Rap destroy the villain who is obviously everybody's enemy. That will fix all the hearthbreak between the two of them and Cass' trauma, right? And I hate how the show tried to prove it as "See, if you don't give up on your friends they eventually turn around!". That's an unfair and toxic mindset. Giving up on people can be the right choice and that isn't something selfish or pessimistic. You just can't help people who don't want to help themselves or who won't communicate with you. I had a close friendship in which i was like Rap and my friend was like Cass. Spoiler alert, my Cass didn't turn around, she just chose the friends that were supporting her unhealthy choices and blocked me out of nowhere without any explanation, even after I told her to just tell me if she wants to end the friendship and why and I'll respect her wish. Sometimes good people choose a bad path in life and there's nothing you can do about it aside from removing yourself from the situation before you get sucked into bad stuff yourself. Yeah, it's good to try a few times to help someone, but once you or the people around you start getting hurt, fuck that. You can keep the door open in case that friend turns around, but you need to set healthy boundaries for yourself and keep emotional distance.

@@vuivraalbastra Right! The show was legit like “wow she almost killed my whole kingdom, my family, my friends... We should save her! She still has good inside!” Like what?! That’s not how it works! I hate shows now portray toxic friendships. The same thing happens in Raya, She ra and probably other movies/shows too.You don’t need to befriend your abuser. It’s teaching wrong lessons.

@@vuivraalbastra Eh, to be fair Zhan Tiri was completely powerless, and it was only through dumb luck that she happened across Varien's chemicals when Cass wasn't looking. I'd understand Cass believing that trapping her in unbreakable rocks would be enough to keep her contained... Zhan Tiri probably wouldve never escaped if Cass had just suspended the cage a little above ground lol

@@skye4942 tbf, Adora didn’t expect Catra to turn around and sort of gave up on her for a while until Catra did something to help. Based on my memory (haven’t rewatched it in a while) she only gave her another chance when she let broke Glimmer out. Plus, they do display another toxic relationship where Scorpia *does* leave and give up on her

this. eugene was a much more likable and interesting character and i didn’t dislike cass (i actually liked her) until the end of season 2 when she got so one note and lame

A male character taking such a central role? What is this anime? You forget when and who made it.

Cassandra was great character kicked in the vagina by season 2 and 3.

Except she wasn't? Her motivations made perfect sense, if you had just paid attention.

@@gazelle_diamond9768 This comment is over two years old, and I’ve moved on to different things since then, but I’m here to say that I stand by my comment. The show itself is poorly written, not just Cassandra. But let’s focus on Cassandra for a moment. Cassandra was written as the biological daughter of Gothel, whom the Captain of the Guards had adopted. She’s a few years older than Rapunzel and rough around the edges. She’s goal-oriented, and although she is a Lady-in-Waiting, Cassandra is dissatisfied with that life and wishes to become a guard member. However, she fulfils her duties, takes care of Rapunzel, and has a bit of a frenemy situation with Eugene. So, that’s her most basic characterisation covered. All in all, an interesting character. My dissatisfaction begins when we learn that she’s Gothel’s daughter because the narrative did Cassandra dirty. I honestly saw the twist that Cassandra was Gothel’s daughter coming from the first episode, but I digress. Throughout the show, from the beginning, it’s evident that Cassandra is dissatisfied with her position in life. She knew she could do more and felt like the world was holding her back - which it did. She gave up opportunities to help Rapunzel, but she was also shown to be intelligent. And that’s the thing: Cassandra was smart. Although she was often annoyed at Rapunzel’s naïveity, she knew she had been kept hidden, isolated, and imprisoned. Because of that trauma, Cassandra would have known that Rapunzel had nightmares about Gothel. When she reaches the Moondrop after learning about her and Gothel’s relationship, Cassandra turns around and directs her rage… towards Rapunzel and the Kingdom of Corona. And why? To me, it made no sense that she'd do this. Cassandra wasn't shown to have a bad life. The captain of the guards raised her, and although she’s dissatisfied with her position in life, she’s still well-loved. Cassandra's anger was so out of character that it threw me off completely. I remembered talking to a friend about it at the time (I’m no longer friends with her because she was toxic), but she tried to claim that it made sense because “Gothel loved Rapunzel more than Cassandra.” But Gothel didn’t love Rapunzel more than Cassandra. She didn’t love either of them. Cassandra would have been smart enough to understand that. Let’s put it into a modern perspective for a moment. Imagine a woman abducting a baby girl and imprisoning her in her basement. She has a daughter of her own that she doesn’t love but at least takes time to at least feed. The daughter is eventually taken away due to neglect, and eighteen years later, the baby girl is found and rescued. The two of them meet, and the daughter starts attacking the girl and yelling at her because she "stole her mother's love". No one in their right mind would see that as a rational reaction. But that’s how the narrative portrays Cassandra and Rapunzel. I don’t have a problem with Cassandra being Gothel’s daughter or her becoming a villain, but I do have a problem with how the narrative victim-blames Rapunzel for Cassandra’s trauma. Cassandra’s arc was poorly written, and her redemption was unsatisfactory.

@@cthonisprincess4011 Gee, I wonder why the emotionally manipulated Cassandra would turn her rage against the people who, ultimately, are responsible for her never getting to fulfill her dreams. Do you think Cassandra wanted to spend the rest of her life as a royal handmaiden? When her dissatisfaction with that position have been evident since the beginning of season 1? Are you actually fucking serious?! Rapunzel, Cass' father and the kingdom of Corona are the ones who never allowed her to choose her own path. So now, she finally GETS to choose. This was her chance, her ONLY chance, at least from her perspective. And she knew that this would mean she'd have to stand against Rapunzel and Corona, because how could she not after taking the power of the Moonstone? This entire argument just makes no sense when you actually watch the freaking show and pay attention. It's literally right there in "Waiting in the Wings" and "Crossing the Line". Just... fucking... use your ears and brain!

I actually came up with an idea. If the story was changed to have Cassandra take the Moonstone to protect Rapunzel then in the series final I think Cassandra demanding that Rapunzel gives her the Sundrop would stay but Cassandra wants the Sundrop so she can unite the stones instead of having Rapunzel do it because she wants to protect her.

I like this theory. This could have been so cool plot wise

AW MANNNN I WOULDA LOVED TO SEEN THIS i swear i sighed so heavy after reading the first few sentences, this was a great read,,,,I NEEEEED THIS

Frozen 2 especially made absolutely no logical sense at times.

@@thunderbird1921 oh yeah Frozen 2 had issues and there were things that were really random and weird. Personally I think frozen 2 was just a cash grab and really wasn’t planned till frozen turned out to be such a hit

Agnarr was the one who told her to hide herself; I agree that Iduna really wasn't that useful and was a bystander in an extremely abusive situation, but their father was mainly the one who wanted Elsa to hide herself and preached it to her.

@@NyxieLove22 I saw a whole video on this actually, the animation team was trying really hard everyone was working crazy long hours on it to try and pull it together by the release date because disney was so so SO adamant about it being released on the date, they wouldn't let it be delayed to better the quality. Because of the time crunch and the huge script changes that happened so close to the release, a lot of frozen 2 ended up choppy and unorganized and a lot of it just didn't make sense. It's a shame that if they had had more time, then it could've been better.

Thats probably exactly what happened with I Will Make You Proud. It was probably meant for a different point in the show but they didn't want to get Alan Menken to write another song pssh

OOPS I MESSED UP I knew he was a chameleon aaaaaaaaa why did I say iguana dljgldfkjglk well I don't think chameleons are from Germany either anyhow dklkfgjlfkjglfk thanks for catching that!

@@hezureviews Isn't this story set in France maybe there are chameleons in France who knows (probably not)

@@visko6203 The story is set in Germany.

@@nonyabusiness3619 But didnt the moon and sun stone shoot out of france if you see the map of europe I think

@@visko6203 Well, I guess when looking at the map, it does look more like the moon and sun stone are shooting from France. But every Disney source says that Corona is in Germany.

Not a fan of it either, and it's not like they even did much with it (other than working as a red-herring with "who is gonna betray rapunzel? noo it's totally not cass see eugene is the prince of the dark kingdom time to have an identity crisis because destiny blah blah"...maybe if they actually did more with the plot it could have beengood but I think they could have found other ways to give eugene stuff to do

I agree, for me not every Character needs an interesting backstory. Heck some don't need one at all. My reason for this is because it what makes the character more interesting. Fans will create theories that will never get confirmed. But having a cliche backstory makes you wish that you never knew the story of the character in the first place.

SAME THO. Like EXACT same tho

Saw a comment saying Cassandra should have been the princess to the dark kingdom to give her more claim to the moon stone and to put more weight into her feelings that she waiting for greatest when she was originally suppose to be inherit a kingdom

@@Dolly.956. that would have made more sense, and been more of an understandable motiv.

Smh

EXACTLY-

I KNOW TF

YES, I live in a country with a lot of iguanas and they are just so different between each other

Hes a frog. Duh

Thanks for saying this.

OH MY GOSH! I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED CASSANDRA GOT AWAY SCOT FREE! That one scene ruined the WHOLE SHOW! Thank you!

Rapunzel was AWFUL herself at times. She had anger issues and berated anyone she saw as challenging her or not doing what she personally wanted. IIRC she told a guy whistling annoyingly that "if you don't stop, I swear I will THROTTLE you!" Holy goodness, this is the show's heroine?!

@@thunderbird1921 you can at least excuse rapunzel's anger by saying its from her trauma. It makes sense that she'd become angry if others don't follow what she says, she's worried that if she's not in control then they'll control her like mother gothel. Cass has no excuse for any of her behaviors, she has no long lasting childhood trauma to my knowledge. She was not raised in an abusive home, her mother abandoned her, but she did not go through any sustained long term abuse.

THIS!! ALL OF THIS. Frankly I really didn’t like Cass after her betrayal at all. Her motivations for doing so just made me dislike even more.

The main issue is that the review doesn't mention Frozen or Wicked, which are more direct inspirations for Tangled: The Series (Like Idina Menzel and many of the actresses who have played Elsa in the stage version, Cassandra's Voice Actress has played Elphaba in Wicked). If you want to accuse "Nothing Left To Lose" of not being edgy enough, why not compare it to "No Good Deed" or "Monster"? Why not compare "Crossing the Line" to "Defying Gravity"?

I loved that movie. Showing history as it should be presented. Too bad people just see missionaries anymore as people shoving "religion" into peoples faces :/

I haven’t seen that movie but from the clips I’ve seen of it, it’s great!

Your Obedient Servant is another good example of two former friends fighting in song

Not to mantion these two shows have COMPLETELY different tones. This lady was just too dumb to undertand the meanings of the songs. She might think she knows something about musical theather but clearly she doesn't

Have you seen Power Rangers Jungle Fury?

@@ThePreciseClimber unfortunately no, is it good?

@@lexyshannon9428 Yeah, it's a good season. It has a well-done, series-long dark possession plot line.

@@ThePreciseClimber ohohooohhh I know what I'm gonna watch next then.... >:)

To be fair, this broken teen would stil have caused trouble if he wouldn't been locked away. He was still far from redemption.

@@lunasspace2694 and what about cass ? She is grown adult who did far worse than varian and couldve easily destroy the entire kingdom by an breakable rocks and was more close to killing repanzel and others than varian ever did yet she dosen't get a slap on the face or an earful or an angary stare while varian was sent to JAIL with dengerous criminals . So youre telling me if repanzel like you so much you can get away with murder but if she dosen't you get sent to jail without a fair trial

@@rokayawael5467 this is why I say media should avid doing villain redemptions because 90% of the time they always do them wrong. and yes just cause Cassandra's turn to villainy was stupid and poorly written doesn't excuse her redemption being equally shitty. FLYNN got a better redemption arc.

So they jailed a kid yet not a full grown adult? WTF

@@rokayawael5467 I guess corona just has a corrupt government

This is my magic artifact, a cup that grants whoever drinks from it eternal youth. I call it “the goblet chalice.”

The English dub of dragon ball called Goku's teacher Roshi "Master" Roshi. Roshi just means "master." So in the English dub he is "master master" 😅 Its redundant. I can see where you are coming from with the moon stone opal thing. It's similar.

Rapier Katana sounds like a good name for an over-the-top assassin in a comedy cartoon.

@@Passions5555 Gives me Professor Professor and Doctor Doctor vibes from The Secret Show (2006).

There was SO MUCH POTENTIAL for Eugene at EVERY TURN and they didnt touch on any of it

fr i expected Eugene's biggest fear would be losin rapunzel

Thank you so much! I have been saying this since day one and I have been Cyberbullied for it! So it's great to See someone else thinks this!

What makes me feel worse about this is that I listened to the Tangled Songs and Story CD and there the narrator literally says at the end that Flynn mattered more to Rapunzel than anything which is true in the movie but definitely false in this stupid series. There it always seems Like Cassandra Matters more to her than Flynn and that makes the whole ending of the movie unbelievable where she was willing to sacrifice herself Just to save him because she Loved him so much. So it Just makes No logical Sense that she would suddenly Always Put a Person she met afterwards before him If she really loved him as much as in the movie. And I hate that she is such a hypocrite in the series who lets Cassandra Always insult him without saying a Word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag and never even apologizes and rejects his proposals but gets Mad when her supposed true Love for whom she wanted to Go to hell says Something against Cassandra. That is the Most toxic relationship I've ever Seen. And what I hate about the whole marriage Thing in this context is that they are basically saying that it's Not ok to marry someone whom you deeply and truly Love after a few months but it's OK to try to give up your entire freedom and basically your entire life for someone whom you Just met three days ago. If they Love each other that much that they would do Something Like that after only having known each other for a few days than their Love is so strong and true and then they could and should marry after a Short time Especially considering the time period the movie is Set where they could only truly be together after being married. And If Disney wanted to Show a couple Not marrying so soon they should have taken a different couple than Rapunzel and Flynn because they proved how deeply and truly they Loved each other after a few days and since they almost Lost each other it would make Sense that they wouldn't want to lose more time together after they saw how Short life can be and besides, their Story Takes place in a time where people married early. They should have rather Had Tiana and Naveen marry only after a few years because they dont seem Like they fit very well together and didnt try to die for each other after a few days and furthermore their Story Takes place in the 1920s, Not the 1700s. They would have been perfect for Not marrying immidiately, Not Rapunzel and Flynn who seem like the worst candidates for this in my opinion. And that whole rejecting marriage plotline is the worst Storyline I've ever Seen. They send the Message that marriage is a prison even though you Love each other and that is such a horrible Message. And it's Especially horrible how in the Episode beyond the Corona walls, it seems Like that she never wanted to marry him at the beginning of the Episode which raises the question why the hell she is even still with him If a life with him seems so horrible to her and also why the hell she wouldn't want to marry the man she Loved that much that she wanted to Go to prison for for all eternity in the movie. It Just doesn't make any logical Sense and is inconsistent with the movie and also the Wedding Short where she looked so deeply in Love and so incredible Happy. It Just doesn't make Sense that she would have rejected the proposal before. And whats worse is that in that Episode it seems Like she only changed her mind about marriage because Stalyan wanted him which makes it seem like she only wants him when another girl wants him which is so incredibly toxic. If someone considers marriage as a prison, then that means they are subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up! I analyzed this once in school about a book where a guy who considered marriage as a prison in a similar way as Rapunzel in this stupid series, ended up cheating on his girlfriend! And that is precisely what would happen in real life! When someone rejects marriage, the relationship is over! And I'm pretty Sure the writers of Tangled intended for tangled ever After to Take place shortly after the movie because the little girls of the movie seemed to be the Same age in the Short and Wikipedia also states it was originally intended to Take place immediately after the movie. The series Just doesn't seem believable and seems Like it Takes place in a completely different universe as the movie. And I Just can't consider it Canon because of all These reasons and it's obvious that it was written by someone else than the movie. So, Right now I Just Count it as Not Canon to still be able to watch the movie. If I Had to Count it as Canon, then I Wish Flynn would have stayed dead at the end of the movie and wasnt brought back to life. It would have been a very sad and tragic ending but it would have at least been better than showing such a toxic relationship between two characters who were both trying to sacrifice themselves for each other.

yeah cass felt like she was waiting in the wings

I think the direction they wanted to go in was Cassandra wanting to be in the center stage and that ghost child (Whatever their name was) telling Cass the stones were meant to be hers was basically giving Cass the validation she wanted. But that's not the direction they wanted up taking, and honestly, it would have made Cass's motivations so much worse. Instead of "I'm upset because my mom picked you over me," it'd end up as "I'm mad because I'm a bratty child who's not the center of attention."

Yeah, they gave her a lot of buildup to it, but the problem is the catalyst (i think that’s the word for it). Instead of her being mad that Raps was abused and she wasn’t, she should have been a lost princess of the dark kingdom (since they really didn’t do anything good with Eugene’s backstory). Then she would feel like she ACTUALLY had a destiny that would be stolen by Rapunzel. After all, she saw how badly Raps was hurt by Gothel.

This stupid series completely destroyed Flynn's character. They reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character in favor of Cassandra and gave all the development and emotional scenes to Rapunzel and Cassandra when in the movie it was about Rapunzel and Flynn, and they were completely equal and equally developed. They both saved each other, instead of one person doing all the saving. In the series Rapunzel just does all the saving! Also, in the movie they were dual protagonists and Flynn was just as important as Rapunzel. In the series Flynn is completely sidelined and the trauma he should have is never mentioned. Instead, it’s all about Cassandra. It’s because of frozen, they gave rapunzel a sister and focused only on the sister relationship while dumping down the boyfriend. It’s also because of stupid modern feminism where they always have to portray every man as a weak, stupid Idiot and every woman as a Mary Sue! That’s just turning the sexism around and discriminate men instead of women! I really hate that, Flynn deserves better! What makes me feel worse about this stupid series is that I listened to the Tangled Songs and Story CD and there the narrator literally says at the end that Flynn mattered more to Rapunzel than anything which is true in the movie but definitely false in this stupid series. There it always seems Like Cassandra Matters more to her than Flynn and that makes the whole ending of the movie unbelievable where she was willing to sacrifice herself Just to save him because she Loved him so much. So it Just makes No logical Sense that she would suddenly Always Put a Person she met afterwards before him If she really loved him as much as in the movie. And I hate that she is such a hypocrite in the series who lets Cassandra Always insult him without saying a Word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag and never even apologizes and rejects his proposals but gets Mad when her supposed true Love for whom she wanted to Go to hell says Something against Cassandra. That is the Most toxic relationship I've ever Seen. And just imagine the roles were switched, imagine a guy would let his best friend constantly insult his girlfriend, keep secrets from her, draw her face on a punching bag just for his best friend and even reject her marriage proposal, then everyone would call it sexist and misogynistic and a toxic relationship. But when a guy is treated like that, it’s alright! It’s such a double standard and it’s ridiculous! Ugh, I hate modern feminism! And what I hate about the whole marriage Thing in this context is that they are basically saying that it's Not ok to marry someone whom you deeply and truly Love after a few months but it's OK to try to give up your entire freedom and basically your entire life for someone whom you Just met three days ago. If they Love each other that much that they would do Something Like that after only having known each other for a few days than their Love is so strong and true and then they could and should marry after a Short time Especially considering the time period the movie is Set where they could only truly be together after being married. And If Disney wanted to Show a couple Not marrying so soon they should have taken a different couple than Rapunzel and Flynn because they proved how deeply and truly they Loved each other after a few days and since they almost Lost each other it would make Sense that they wouldn't want to lose more time together after they saw how Short life can be and besides, their Story Takes place in a time where people married early. They should have rather Had Tiana and Naveen marry only after a few years because they dont seem Like they fit very well together and didnt try to die for each other after a few days and furthermore their Story Takes place in the 1920s, Not the 1700s. They would have been perfect for Not marrying immidiately, Not Rapunzel and Flynn who seem like the worst candidates for this in my opinion. And that whole rejecting marriage plotline is the worst Storyline I've ever Seen. They send the Message that marriage is a prison even though you Love each other and that is such a horrible Message. And it's Especially horrible how in the Episode beyond the Corona walls, it seems Like that she never wanted to marry him at the beginning of the Episode which raises the question why the hell she is even still with him If a life with him seems so horrible to her and also why the hell she wouldn't want to marry the man she Loved that much that she wanted to Go to prison for for all eternity in the movie. It Just doesn't make any logical Sense and is inconsistent with the movie and also the Wedding Short where she looked so deeply in Love and so incredible Happy. It Just doesn't make Sense that she would have rejected the proposal before. And whats worse is that in that Episode it seems Like she only changed her mind about marriage because Stalyan wanted him which makes it seem like she only wants him when another girl wants him which is so incredibly toxic. If someone considers marriage as a prison, then that means they are subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up! I analyzed this once in school about a book where a guy who considered marriage as a prison in a similar way as Rapunzel in this stupid series, ended up cheating on his girlfriend! And that is precisely what would happen in real life! When someone rejects marriage, the relationship is over! And I'm pretty Sure the writers of Tangled intended for tangled ever After to Take place shortly after the movie because the little girls of the movie seemed to be the Same age in the Short and Wikipedia also states it was originally intended to Take place immediately after the movie. The series Just doesn't seem believable and seems Like it Takes place in a completely different universe as the movie. And I Just can't consider it Canon because of all These reasons and it's obvious that it was written by someone else than the movie. So, Right now I Just Count it as Not Canon to still be able to watch the movie. If I Had to Count it as Canon, then I Wish Flynn would have stayed dead at the end of the movie and wasnt brought back to life. It would have been a very sad and tragic ending but it would have at least been better than showing such a toxic relationship between two characters who were both trying to sacrifice themselves for each other.

Also Cass’s whole “I’m always second to you, people care about you more than me” shtick. Like NO DUH Rapunzel is literally the only child and heir to the throne of Corona that had been missing for 18 years….she’s literally royalty and you’re the adopted daughter of the captain if the guard who’s acting as a handmaiden aka (basically) lady in waiting to the future queen. I love Cass but that was stupid thinking, and her whole “People love you more than me and I also blame you for being kidnapped by my mother who was abusive to you!” was absolutely terrible. Her lack of a true redemption arc was also a travesty (Varian was also a victim of the skipped redemption part of his arc) I also feel as though she should have been the villain for half the season and than been on redemption and helping the other for the other half.

it should still feel more like a villain song then

I’ve never watched much of the series, but the song also felt like an evil version of Let It Go to me, pretty ironic since Let It Go was meant to be a Villain Song

Makes sense. She was Chris Sonnenburg’s favourite character after all

@@IcyDiamond I think the similarities to Let It Go could be intentional. Like "what if she was the villain after all"

@@remnants9974 I read another comment that said Wicked and Frozen were there main inspirations while making this show, so that theory is totally possible

he should have been in season two and he should have been seen more in season 1 before his turn toward villainy. I also like his character design. Never cared for his hair stripe though.

yess his character design is literally so awesome I love it and I love the little details i do wanna say that varian is considered a main character in season 3 though, along with rapunzel, eugene, lance, cass, catalina and kiera- i just googled it and the amber scene was so sad. rapunzel might have been happy to have her mother back but there is literally a betrayed 14 year old watching and his father is literally encased in amber, not to mention varian pretty much has a panic attack right in front of rapunzel and she does nothing about it.. smh

Thank you for telling your story. Breaking up contact with a relative is not an easy thing to do, and definitely not something a lot of people will understand. I have been there myself, which is one reason why I can relate to Cass so much. I wish you all the power you need to continuing keeping the people who harm you out of your life.

The return of Hazelnut

The queen! The queeeeeeeeeen!

Indeed. The whole "revelling" thing is quite tricky. You should avoid it if you want the audience to think the antagonist has some good inside. I mean, did Zuko ever revel in hurting people when he was burning down villages and hunting down the Avatar? Nope. If he did, it would be way harder to sympathise with him. On the other hand, Azula & Ozai WERE psychos. They enjoyed being evil. And they DIDN'T get redemption arc. Writers just gotta be careful with extreme emotions. A little psychotic break here or there could work even if they want the antagonist to get a redemption. Like, they laugh maniacally because they think they finally won but a few seconds later they start crying because they're lost and all this violence didn't bring them any closure. But actually ENJOYING being evil? Feeling glee while hurting others? That's a big no-no for antagonists. That's pure, irredeemable villainy.

@@ThePreciseClimber the reveling thing I can sort of understand since I feel Varian thought since he has been treated like the bad guy in his life that now that his life is crashing down around him he will embrace the part willingly. That being said though they took it too far. It's like the writers were trying to imply that this ( being evil) was his true nature which is stupid and unfair to his character because he was shown to be a genuinely good person by nature and tried to do the right thing even if he sometimes failed at it and caused problems. Nothing suggested that his sweet, kind hearted ways were all an act and showed to be averse to violence. Certainly not reveling in it and relishing being cruel to others. His villain arc pissed me off.

I think you shorten Cassandra's problem if you look at her reasons for taking the moonstone ... They're not that stupid after all. Cassandra has always felt undervalued, second-rate, meant to stand somewhere aside while others shine. This has been highlighted several times on the show. Everyone thought she was worse, that as a girl, she wasn't made to be a guard. In season 2, Cassandra goes on a journey with a friend, but suddenly it turns out that their friendship is not so sweet. Cassandra is afraid that Rapunzel no longer trusts her, and later her friend literally burns her hand. Later, the manipulating spirit shows her a possibly traumatic memory (the loss of her mother, who seemed like a good person to Cassandra). Cassandra must have been feeling hesitant, but I don't think she had yet made the decision to take the moonstone back then. She probably took it after learning that Rapunzel could die by touching a stone. This is where my little theory comes in. I believe that Sundrop, as the sun (positives, happiness, optimism) automatically makes you optimistic Mary Sue with a golden heart, and Moondrop, as the moon (dark, evil, pessimism, trauma) automatically makes you worse. This theory is very plausible. How else to explain Rapunzel's ideality and the sudden change in Cassandra's character and the fact that Cassandra had an old character right after losing the stone? Continuing, however, the moondrope did not fully control Cassandra. When she heard "listen" - she listened. But the moondrop, reminding of the harm done, causing the urge to revenge, reacted to the "wait" - Cassandra did not want to wait, and the moonstone strengthened her hatred (proof: after the words "wait" moonlights flashed around Cassandra). In the following episodes, Cassandra was alternately herself and alternately a moondrope. The presence of Zhan-thiri strengthened the moondrope's reign over Cassandra. I think Cassandra didn't want to admit how many reasons she had for cheating on Rapunzel, and she found the argument about the mother the best as it was emotional. Cass's betrayal wasn't meaningless. It was a combination of emotion, trauma, distrust, loss of mother, waiting in the shadows, manipulation and the magic of the stone. And yes, I know there were characters who were worse off than Cass, but a human is an individual, everyone will react differently to the harm done. I'm not saying that what Cassandra did is good. I'm saying she had reasons. * * * Sorry for my bad English.

Eugene wasn’t a good character in this show. He was completely ruined by becoming a comic relief character. I do agree through that him being a prince is unless. however I also think that Eugene being a prince is worse then people think it is. Besides Mulan, Rapuznel was one of the first princesses to fall in love with a man who wasn’t a prince. Eugene was far from one. He went from a selfish thief to a caring man who is changing his ways. Ever since Tangled there hasn’t been a long term prince love interest (like a prince who the Princess ended up with).

I kind of think the reason was she has such a close relationship with Eugene her brain wouldn’t even process him dying unless she saw definite proof.

i know right.!?

Agreed

facts

I don't even watch the tv show but yet I agree with this.

As an avid Varian fan, villain varian is underrated, and they compressed his redemption way too much. The only thing missing from his villain arc is showing us that EVERYONE, not just Rapunzel in his moment of need, turned him away (villagers turning him away, guards positioned near his house, etc)

Amen!🙏

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Right, like some of this critique completely misses the intent of the songs purpose. Like cmonnnnn

Bro. My exact thought!

I agree, some of the stuff she says misses the point of the songs. Maybe she should listen to the lyrics next time

Your kidding did even watch the whole episode? Or are you just seeing cassandra as a b****??

@@jeku4572 i did watch but she assumed a compromisse and as i said, Varian cleaned the fucking castle when he could be talking with other scienc lovers and making new friends. I don't care the reason, she let Varian down and idc if she apologised at tje end, saying sorry do not fix everything. So yeah for me she is a bitch

@@notrealyBea Wow😒 You must be so nice to be around. I'm guessing her helping him clean up in the end, giving him the ribbon and letting him call Cassie, and praising him is a also a dick move?

@@jeku4572 i did not say that, but what she did before

@@notrealyBea well she mad up for it. And you said you didn't care that she apologized

Yeah, Slander! 😠

AND I'LL REPEAT THAT UNTIL EVERYONE GETS IT

I totally agree. I think it is because of the way tv show music is written. Generally the composers only have a few days to write music and are generally only given a basic plot of the episode and may not even see the script. My guess is that they just misunderstood or didn’t have enough information to understand the scene properly. I could easily be wrong though and the song might just be light and fun because they want to keep little kids interested.

I love the songs but yeah like they do not fit the vibe for their scenes

Same

I listened to some of the songs before watching the show, and I thought make you proud was going to come way earlier.

Because the writers made Varian a plot device.

I don’t think its canon but people have suggested that in S1 Varian is 14 (we know this) and Cassandra is 22. I don’t know how long each season is time-wise I personally go with each season=one year putting Varian and Cassandra at 16 and 24 respectively at the end of the series, though some people think Varian is 18 by the end of the series making Cassandra 26. I have seen official character designs for the cancelled Varian spin-off and that shows that he has grown taller and a little broader since S3 so I generally think that he’s 16 by the end of the series as most men stop growing at about 16-18. Wow. That went on for a while, hope it helped with some thoughts and conclusions you came up with.

@@Potatoesop Thank you it did :)

Well varying and did lose his mind but we understand why but still no skills but Cassandra I do agree she should have went to jail too and her motives were just dumb not saying motives excuses it now I just did not understand it like why would you just and I agree she should have face consequences

I don't think you need to pull all that hormone thing, Varian was angry because Rapunzel broke her promise to help him and everyone abandoned him and his father (also it WAS fault of the king if the black rocks invaded the village, and for the end of first season he figured out that, saying they were lying to people to hide their mistake), so he didn't care about royal family and Corona's people. And yeah, he was feeling guilty and desperate to pin the blame on someone else to escape his feelings. But, why Cassandra was so angry with Corona that she wanted to destroy, that makes no sense... because she thought to be oh so great and people didn't give her the attention she deserved? Seems literally she tried to cope her abandonment trauma with a ridiculous ambition, she looked just so egocentric...

Dude what are you talking about!?

@@azureaquarius4487 dude selfish staying to take care of her whole kingdom IN A BLIZZARD IS THE OPPOSITE OF SELFISH!

@@azureaquarius4487 dude stop making her out to be a villain she’s not!

Yup. A lot of people complain about Cass x Rapunzel shippers but the show really did it to itself. Not that find it a problem (I think they're cute) but it's like the show wanted the watchers to ship them because they completely sidelined Eugene.

This stupid series completely destroyed Flynn's character. They reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character in favor of Cassandra and gave all the development and emotional scenes to Rapunzel and Cassandra when in the movie it was about Rapunzel and Flynn, and they were completely equal and equally developed. They both saved each other, instead of one person doing all the saving. In the series Rapunzel just does all the saving! Also, in the movie they were dual protagonists and Flynn was just as important as Rapunzel. In the series Flynn is completely sidelined and the trauma he should have is never mentioned. Instead, it’s all about Cassandra. It’s because of frozen, they gave rapunzel a sister and focused only on the sister relationship while dumping down the boyfriend. It’s also because of stupid modern feminism where they always have to portray every man as a weak, stupid Idiot and every woman as a Mary Sue! That’s just turning the sexism around and discriminate men instead of women! I really hate that, Flynn deserves better! What makes me feel worse about this stupid series is that I listened to the Tangled Songs and Story CD and there the narrator literally says at the end that Flynn mattered more to Rapunzel than anything which is true in the movie but definitely false in this stupid series. There it always seems Like Cassandra Matters more to her than Flynn and that makes the whole ending of the movie unbelievable where she was willing to sacrifice herself Just to save him because she Loved him so much. So it Just makes No logical Sense that she would suddenly Always Put a Person she met afterwards before him If she really loved him as much as in the movie. And I hate that she is such a hypocrite in the series who lets Cassandra Always insult him without saying a Word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag and never even apologizes and rejects his proposals but gets Mad when her supposed true Love for whom she wanted to Go to hell says Something against Cassandra. That is the Most toxic relationship I've ever Seen. And just imagine the roles were switched, imagine a guy would let his best friend constantly insult his girlfriend, keep secrets from her, draw her face on a punching bag just for his best friend and even reject her marriage proposal, then everyone would call it sexist and misogynistic and a toxic relationship. But when a guy is treated like that, it’s alright! It’s such a double standard and it’s ridiculous! Ugh, I hate modern feminism! And what I hate about the whole marriage Thing in this context is that they are basically saying that it's Not ok to marry someone whom you deeply and truly Love after a few months but it's OK to try to give up your entire freedom and basically your entire life for someone whom you Just met three days ago. If they Love each other that much that they would do Something Like that after only having known each other for a few days than their Love is so strong and true and then they could and should marry after a Short time Especially considering the time period the movie is Set where they could only truly be together after being married. And If Disney wanted to Show a couple Not marrying so soon they should have taken a different couple than Rapunzel and Flynn because they proved how deeply and truly they Loved each other after a few days and since they almost Lost each other it would make Sense that they wouldn't want to lose more time together after they saw how Short life can be and besides, their Story Takes place in a time where people married early. They should have rather Had Tiana and Naveen marry only after a few years because they dont seem Like they fit very well together and didnt try to die for each other after a few days and furthermore their Story Takes place in the 1920s, Not the 1700s. They would have been perfect for Not marrying immidiately, Not Rapunzel and Flynn who seem like the worst candidates for this in my opinion. And that whole rejecting marriage plotline is the worst Storyline I've ever Seen. They send the Message that marriage is a prison even though you Love each other and that is such a horrible Message. And it's Especially horrible how in the Episode beyond the Corona walls, it seems Like that she never wanted to marry him at the beginning of the Episode which raises the question why the hell she is even still with him If a life with him seems so horrible to her and also why the hell she wouldn't want to marry the man she Loved that much that she wanted to Go to prison for for all eternity in the movie. It Just doesn't make any logical Sense and is inconsistent with the movie and also the Wedding Short where she looked so deeply in Love and so incredible Happy. It Just doesn't make Sense that she would have rejected the proposal before. And whats worse is that in that Episode it seems Like she only changed her mind about marriage because Stalyan wanted him which makes it seem like she only wants him when another girl wants him which is so incredibly toxic. If someone considers marriage as a prison, then that means they are subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up! I analyzed this once in school about a book where a guy who considered marriage as a prison in a similar way as Rapunzel in this stupid series, ended up cheating on his girlfriend! And that is precisely what would happen in real life! When someone rejects marriage, the relationship is over! And I'm pretty Sure the writers of Tangled intended for tangled ever After to Take place shortly after the movie because the little girls of the movie seemed to be the Same age in the Short and Wikipedia also states it was originally intended to Take place immediately after the movie. The series Just doesn't seem believable and seems Like it Takes place in a completely different universe as the movie. And I Just can't consider it Canon because of all These reasons and it's obvious that it was written by someone else than the movie. So, Right now I Just Count it as Not Canon to still be able to watch the movie. If I Had to Count it as Canon, then I Wish Flynn would have stayed dead at the end of the movie and wasnt brought back to life. It would have been a very sad and tragic ending but it would have at least been better than showing such a toxic relationship between two characters who were both trying to sacrifice themselves for each other.

I literally just finished the series last night, and that annoyed me so much. Plus if the sundrop somehow is a stone now, then how come she still can't use the healing incantation?? It just doesn't make sense.

right- like she just put it on one day like? where tf did she even get that, like its not in the movie, not even mentioned in the show when it wouldnt be that hard to just add a simple line about the stone, but suddenly theres a sundrop stone? also wasnt it a drop of sunlight not a piece of the sun that was a stone-

@@martymcchicken8157 It's LITERALLY Sailor Moon all over again...."this crystal is your source of power, it's also literally the manifestation of your soul, but it's not really *you* you"

When I first saw the series I saw as like..it was holding her power like..during that day and that day only- (cause apparently it was never happened once in her life…) the sun drops power was weakened so it was held in this stone But it’s so stupid..how! If she now is the sun drop I feel like she would just be weak! No stone nothing is the moonstone got stronger then it got stronger WHY IS THERE A STONE ON HER CHEST!? IT MAKES NO SENSE 😭! (I’m 10 months late but I needed to say this)

FR I thought I was the only one who thought this like the show even said she was the sundrop herself

Tiny nit-pick. Andrew was never confirmed to be a murderer. Everything else you said I agree with.

I would have loved to see that in the show If it makes you feel any better,that story idea was done in "On My Honor" on Archive of Our Own (I'm not the author,just recommending a good story to read)

If he did take the moonstone I wouldn’t make him all villain more like just going to free my dad and use to expose Fredrick’s crimes from season 1 and the prison system because it’s shit. I wouldn’t make the arc long it’d be redundant.

Honestly, that's a cool concept except for the fact that he had already been redeemed. It would've disappointed a lot of Varian fans.

@@bloxworld6593I’m a varian fan and most of the varian fans are apologists and would probably prefer another villain varian arc. Most of us end up justifying it anyways-

That would've been such a better twist! Hell You could even keep Gothel as her mom,thats why Dad is so hard on her, why hes afraid of her getting any power. Going forth with that idea since her mother is Sundrop Flower Simp #1, Cassandra knew some secret about the Moonstone that would make it dangerous for Rapunzel. But she didn't tell anyone because her Dad told her never to tell anyone that Gothel was her mother.

Yo that actually would have been so cool. Imagining Cassandra taking the moonstone and taking off with it, going "full villain" like she did in the series, but not doing anything bad to corona while she's gone, and maybe reducing the black rocks around corona, and lying to the ghost b*tch about it saying something Like "I'm concentrating + reserving the source til their guards are down so I can strike at full force when they least expect it" and have rapunzel be out constantly chasing after her, trying to understand why she's doing that/what happened, and defending cass from being smeared in corona etc, and have their big emotional moment be cass betraying the ghost b*tch and taking her out/destroying the moonstone etc. But no, we got over-dramatic, emotionally stunted stupidity instead 🙄

Not trying to be rude but 1. In most states at least 14 year olds are charged as adults. 2. Varian committed.. Treason Attempted Regicide Battery Attempted Homicide (could be self defense) Kidnapping Ransom But it is kinda stupid. Like send him to therapy or something. He needs emotional guidance. And they never should’ve just put him in dungeon since he’s a child and not super mature, especially emotionally.

Me too! This stupid series completely destroyed Flynn's character. They reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character in favor of Cassandra and gave all the development and emotional scenes to Rapunzel and Cassandra when in the movie it was about Rapunzel and Flynn, and they were completely equal and equally developed. They both saved each other, instead of one person doing all the saving. In the series Rapunzel just does all the saving! Also, in the movie they were dual protagonists and Flynn was just as important as Rapunzel. In the series Flynn is completely sidelined and the trauma he should have is never mentioned. Instead, it’s all about Cassandra. It’s because of frozen, they gave rapunzel a sister and focused only on the sister relationship while dumping down the boyfriend. It’s also because of stupid modern feminism where they always have to portray every man as a weak, stupid Idiot and every woman as a Mary Sue! That’s just turning the sexism around and discriminate men instead of women! I really hate that, Flynn deserves better! What makes me feel worse about this stupid series is that I listened to the Tangled Songs and Story CD and there the narrator literally says at the end that Flynn mattered more to Rapunzel than anything which is true in the movie but definitely false in this stupid series. There it always seems Like Cassandra Matters more to her than Flynn and that makes the whole ending of the movie unbelievable where she was willing to sacrifice herself Just to save him because she Loved him so much. So it Just makes No logical Sense that she would suddenly Always Put a Person she met afterwards before him If she really loved him as much as in the movie. And I hate that she is such a hypocrite in the series who lets Cassandra Always insult him without saying a Word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag and never even apologizes and rejects his proposals but gets Mad when her supposed true Love for whom she wanted to Go to hell says Something against Cassandra. That is the Most toxic relationship I've ever Seen. And just imagine the roles were switched, imagine a guy would let his best friend constantly insult his girlfriend, keep secrets from her, draw her face on a punching bag just for his best friend and even reject her marriage proposal, then everyone would call it sexist and misogynistic and a toxic relationship. But when a guy is treated like that, it’s alright! It’s such a double standard and it’s ridiculous! Ugh, I hate modern feminism! And what I hate about the whole marriage Thing in this context is that they are basically saying that it's Not ok to marry someone whom you deeply and truly Love after a few months but it's OK to try to give up your entire freedom and basically your entire life for someone whom you Just met three days ago. If they Love each other that much that they would do Something Like that after only having known each other for a few days than their Love is so strong and true and then they could and should marry after a Short time Especially considering the time period the movie is Set where they could only truly be together after being married. And If Disney wanted to Show a couple Not marrying so soon they should have taken a different couple than Rapunzel and Flynn because they proved how deeply and truly they Loved each other after a few days and since they almost Lost each other it would make Sense that they wouldn't want to lose more time together after they saw how Short life can be and besides, their Story Takes place in a time where people married early. They should have rather Had Tiana and Naveen marry only after a few years because they dont seem Like they fit very well together and didnt try to die for each other after a few days and furthermore their Story Takes place in the 1920s, Not the 1700s. They would have been perfect for Not marrying immidiately, Not Rapunzel and Flynn who seem like the worst candidates for this in my opinion. And that whole rejecting marriage plotline is the worst Storyline I've ever Seen. They send the Message that marriage is a prison even though you Love each other and that is such a horrible Message. And it's Especially horrible how in the Episode beyond the Corona walls, it seems Like that she never wanted to marry him at the beginning of the Episode which raises the question why the hell she is even still with him If a life with him seems so horrible to her and also why the hell she wouldn't want to marry the man she Loved that much that she wanted to Go to prison for for all eternity in the movie. It Just doesn't make any logical Sense and is inconsistent with the movie and also the Wedding Short where she looked so deeply in Love and so incredible Happy. It Just doesn't make Sense that she would have rejected the proposal before. And whats worse is that in that Episode it seems Like she only changed her mind about marriage because Stalyan wanted him which makes it seem like she only wants him when another girl wants him which is so incredibly toxic. If someone considers marriage as a prison, then that means they are subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up! I analyzed this once in school about a book where a guy who considered marriage as a prison in a similar way as Rapunzel in this stupid series, ended up cheating on his girlfriend! And that is precisely what would happen in real life! When someone rejects marriage, the relationship is over! And I'm pretty Sure the writers of Tangled intended for tangled ever After to Take place shortly after the movie because the little girls of the movie seemed to be the Same age in the Short and Wikipedia also states it was originally intended to Take place immediately after the movie. The series Just doesn't seem believable and seems Like it Takes place in a completely different universe as the movie. And I Just can't consider it Canon because of all These reasons and it's obvious that it was written by someone else than the movie. So, Right now I Just Count it as Not Canon to still be able to watch the movie. If I Had to Count it as Canon, then I Wish Flynn would have stayed dead at the end of the movie and wasnt brought back to life. It would have been a very sad and tragic ending but it would have at least been better than showing such a toxic relationship between two characters who were both trying to sacrifice themselves for each other.

Yeah, when animated shows have writing problems, you shouldn't try to blame the writers tbh it's not like they are allowed to do everything the way they want

this is disney we're talking about so that was always my impression. the studio kept telling them no at taking any risks.

That always bothered me too it makes no sense just because she is friends with Rapanzel and works at the castle doesn’t mean she should get out the hook. She let an ancient evil that destroyed everything and killed people, she tried to kill Rapanzel multiple times I believe and she kidnapped a kid who she was friends with. She threatened the entire kingdom and had little reason to do so they should have locked her up for a while. It enraged me that she didn’t get any form of repercussions and as you said you left scoot free because of the royals biases. It teaches kids that acts don’t have consequences when you know people in power.

its basically a classic case of nepotism

Gothel having a biological daughter on the side just feels.. off. First of all, why bother keeping her in a separate location? Why not keep her with Rapunzel at the tower so she wouldn't feel lonely and wouldn't desire the outside world as much? And secondly, Gothel loved herself. It's hard to imagine her having sex with anyone. She would be "above" that. Because no one was as important as her.

Watched show 6 times and what you people say about eugene is absolutly ridiculous, he's more than what you think if you watch the show right for a change

You're right, and ignore this gavain. He is absolutely ridiculous and Likes to cyberbully Others for having a different opinion. I Bet He also Likes it when men are the ones who are discriminated because that's what the Show did, They Made all the women more talented than men in everything Just to Push an Agenda, but that's what modern Disney is

@@mariechen4375 I've seen you in every tangled series review last year, your one of these people that have caused me great pain all last year with your phoney comments, no more, cause you watched the show wrong and I have suffered long enough, I saved Eugene and by the way, you should get a life, cause I see you putting the exact same comment about euegene over and over again. Also spell better(name) cause you didn't even try to spell

Womp womp

Not to mention I doubt she socialized with many people. She seems like she wouldn’t talk to people unless she needed them for something. Her having a spouse is random to me lol

Honestly, I’d axe Cassandra’s backstory for Eugene’s. At least if Cass was a lost princess of the Dark Kingdom, she’d feel like she actually had a destiny stolen by Rapunzel instead of “boohoo she abused raps not me”

Varian was supposed to have a spinoff, but since it didn't center around repunzel it was rejected.

Cahu don't change in Elena, and she's more and more dangerous each seconds time. And Esteban deserves audience empathy from the staff, not lesbian fan service.

They fucked him up in the show because of that. Shit!

His voice shakes at the end in Ready as I'll Ever Be when he says "I'm the bad guy, that's fine".

​@@ApricityGlow Yeah that's the thing, with those parts and when he goes with Rapunzel to steal the flower, its hard to take him seriously as a villain cause he's all like well, Varian! "I think everyone has their hands full already... I MEAN yaknow corona busiest kingdom on earth!" And "I'm more concerned about my dad....corona too!" Maybe its just the way he says these lines, but like going through all that and what you said in Ready as I'll ever be, makes stuff like kidnapping and attempting to kill the queen and Rapunzel look so drastically and wildly ooc/unjustifiably. Like the orginal commenter said. But I do agree he has his vices, yes he was 14 and stricken with grief, sooo I'm over it now lol

@@sprinkles06 I like to believe he drank the truth serum to test it and was still effected by it or something

@@SeledineSoup-k3w ohhh I like that head canon!!! Still tho Varian is so goofy even on its own, but I do think that's half bc of how Jeremy Jordan said the lines haha love him

Yes!

Varian being shafted makes me so mad. The creator is such a piss baby for that

It never would have happened if Rapunzel was always trying to play victim for every bad situation instead of owning up to what she did, and tried to make Cass look like the bad guy after not listening to her warnings or even being more considerate, showing she doesn't know Cass like she thinks she does, otherwise she would not have acted all condescending every time.

@@Disneyfan82 Yeah, Rapunzel was NOT a good friend and never apologized to Cass for any of her misdeeds. For God's sake, she literally kicked Cass into mud in the Contest of the 7 kingdoms and doesn't even say "I'm sorry" to Cass.

@@DragonGoddess18 I agree they really made rapunzel a spoiled brat in this series

@@ok.4720 Yes. Yes,she is.

"Goddammit, it's Terra from Teen Titans all over again."

Also the Cassandra Betrayal arc I agree with HezuNeutral that it made NO sense and was poorly written. It was so rushed honestly

Same tbh

The plot serves the characters because how do they even get to that point without certain reactionary or passive action depending on the person to get to certain points. Honestly for this I was thinking rapunzel would go explore the rocks in secret with more lore after the first episode but was met with lots of filler honestly my favorite episodes were Queen for a day (both parts) and The Great Tree (both parts) because it gave me LORE. They set it up and kept build suspense and paid off in mostly filler then they made the filler episodes that were kinda boring into being relevant. I wish they shown more of Rapunzel’s flaws as The Rapunzel from the movie to the Queen but made her a Mary Sue. Atleast we had Eugene background mentioned but I thought it’d recur and hbu Lance’s criminal background??? Varian is mostly fine besides being underutilized and having many character moments I’d like to see off screen like telling his dad he went on a villain arc and Quirin to tell him about his past and more brotherhood bonding moments to see what their relationship is like besides that one flashback from when Edmund tried grabbing the moonstone.

Rapunzel is a jerk in the series. Ngl

Thank you! "Crossing the Line" is one of my favorite songs from the series for that exact reason.

Crossing the Line is litterly Defying Gravity only a villainous one

How did gothel manage to carry Cassandra to term? The second she started aging she should have had a miscarriage. 😦

@@Passions5555 Maybe the flower healed the miscarriage? I mean, it's a magical, healing flower so why not?