I can’t believe no one said anything. I would have totally been harping on him! Lol

Yes, I need to remember to place the board in a diamond shape to use less table space when playing 4 players.

Just keep in mind where they taught or played it wrong :)

Already noted, thanks!

I’m glad you found us too! Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln

I laughed but it's the kind of thing that annoys me when I sit down to explain a medium/heavy game. Do you wanna play or not? If yes, silence and listen up. These jokes make me feel like I am forcing the others to play.

​@@pipos193 If everyone is silent while I'm explaining a game, I feel like I am doing a terrible job. I like when people ask questions and show interest in what I'm talking.

you or your neighbors

I agree played it last night and had a blast. Almost everything was intuitive after the first few turns.

Nicky: "This house..." Lincoln: "is clean."

Thank you! I hope so - this was a tough one to learn on the fly. Would have been easier if I'd had this to watch first but that might require time travel!

@@JackieFox1976 Yes, I heard it takes a game or two before you really get the system down. Great Job.

@@JackieFox1976 We played it yesterday with four and your views represented ours. This game has many layers of rules and systems but not very many interesting decisions or risks. Never a laugh or memorable moment at the table for us. We already scratch the meaty-multi-player-solo itch with TM, Concordia, Tzolkin, Power Grid, etc and they're all more interesting and a little more fun. And as far as civ games go it's no 1981 AH Civilization (but what else is?). Looking forward to seeing you here again!

@@koomo801 If you like complex Euros, On Mars is great -- time-consuming to learn and even more to keep track of but it's very thematic and intuitive and it makes for a satisfying (if somewhat long) game experience. Hope we can do a Lacerda game or something similar one of these days on Game Night, but that's asking a lot of the folks who do the editing!

@@JackieFox1976 It's still in the shipping box! I'm encouraged you're enjoying it. Cheers!

Yes, you should be taking those anytime you take income

Those are available at the BoardGameGeek Store here: boardgamegeekstore.com/collections/frontpage/products/bgg-logo-t-shirt . -Lincoln

You should watch the episode where they played the Jaws boardgame

Just noticed that. Not sure what I did but it is fixed now. Thanks. -Lincoln

@@boardgamegeek Great score Lincoln, so surprised at almost being 100 above all else. I agree that those end advancements are so powerful.

Thanks for pointing that out. We do finally realize it after Nikki's turn. -Lincoln

@@boardgamegeek I didn't finish watching before my wife came and wanted me to come out and play Viticulture. LOL!! We had already played Tapestry twice today!!!! Love it. I will finish watching tomorrow.....

Most of us were playing for the first time, with no knowledge of the game whatsoever. We try to give people an idea of what the game is going to be like out of the box, including what a playthrough will be like with people who don't know the game. Obviously, the more familiar you are with it (either from playing it or from watching others play or just because you crush these kinds of games) the better you'll do. We aim to give you an idea of what gameplay is like and our honest assessment so you can make your own. I'm sure as you go, you'll find all kinds of strategies to win in various situations!

This makes sense, as I know with our group, who are heavy gamers, we make mistakes in the most basic of games on first time playthrough. It's bound to happen in a game like Tapestry which is simple at face value (2 actions only you may do) but with so many offshoots of those actions. Good video and good first play through! (although I will say skipping your turn that one time was a bit more then a first time play through hahaha)

The rules goofs kind of hurt this. Just played this last night and everyone had somewhere around 200 points I believe.

It's the American accent I think (assuming you're not also American). I've made the same mistake many a time.

@@simonpryor877 definitely the American accent, but we have the same problem sometimes here in the UK

Just an opinion and personal preference. For me, Terraforming Mars is pretty straightforward as to WHEN you move things. With Tapestry, the four different tracks plus your own player mat, all of which trigger at different times and have nested actions, made this more complicated, at least for me. As we all said, though, it would doubtless get easier if you played it a lot. So it all depends on who you play with and how many different games you want to play. Only so much time and so many games out there. A lot of people will love this game.

I got bored with TM after some 50 plays. You are just grinding through a deck where you are probably going to discard more and more of the cards as you try to find a focus. A focus that is diluted by adding expansions. Sure, it does not have complex triggers, but frankly that makes it a worse engine builder (even compared to Gizmos) - each blue card is its own little action or trigger, each green card just provides icons and is dead otherwise, and then you have the "dance" to try and be the one who advances a track to where it gives a bonus. Winner is often either the one who managed to do Jovian or who focused on grabbing the most milestones. Underwater Cities is more fun to me, but perhaps a bit too complex for the general GameNight stream, too, if this is.

Oh, I like the comparison! At least for GameNight!

Love how Cthulhu lurks behind Lincoln's shoulder.

Preorder would’ve gotten you it for $20 cheaper

@@kyleking2410 Will be cheaper than that by the end of the year.

But doesn't that go for every game with plastic pieces? You could replace them with cardboard tokens instead. But aesthetics is something that people care about.

@@TorIverWilhelmsen I agree. The minis and resources in Scythe look great. These buildings look like @$$.

In my case, it wasn't the weight class. I like heavy Euros, but this wasn't for me. As I noted, I think a lot of people will like it. My opinions are there to help people decide whether it's for them or not.

@@JackieFox1976 respect.

Boardgames are so much fun, but yet games will appear that not everyone likes. This game was not for me. My cousin enjoyed it and it made a really nice gift for him.

To think that this sits at 2.8 on BGG. I think the 4 page rulebook is extremely deceiving. People look at this as gateway but it clearly isn’t. Should have simply doubled the length of the rulebook and called this a medium weight title.

Agreed! I also like many heavy Euros, and thought this game was rather tedious and finicky with a lot of unintuitive little things to remember. Like taking a good when you fill a region, or rolling the dice when you conquer. There's a difference between complex games where the complexity comes from deep choices in an intuitive rule set, and complex games where the complexity comes from having "lots of stuff". Not that there aren't choices to make in Tapestry, but the complexity more felt like it came from the volume of stuff.

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Creatining the landscape doesn't bother me that much, you are exploring your civilization's surroundings after all which is totally unknown to you. But yeah, technology being random is off-putting for me too. It just doesn't make sense.

@@hawkeye137137 I saw a different playthrough, which sort of made more sense of it. You can start developing a technology early, but you still need certain prerequisites to take advantage of it. Although they were still exploring the world after space flight had been developed. Anyway, I got a better sense of the game play, so I see more of the appeal.

David Carroll Does it say you’re in the Stone Age or are you assuming that based on the fire tapestry with which everyone starts?

@@DeanOfDVD Yeah, I'm not sure of the specifics. The game says it starts at "the beginning of humankind", but maybe that's just when someone invents coffee...

David Carroll or possibly a Keurig machine...

It is quite abstract but we never felt that the game is tedious. We all enjoyed it.

Unless you for sure know that this sort of abstract game with euro mechanics just 100% isn’t you thing.....I would really suggest that you play it at least once, hopefully with some experienced players to teach you, because it’s really quite fun. Don’t go out and buy it, but if you get the chance, definitely play it once or twice and see what you think. I feel that the civ theming is there, but it’s definitely abstract and not the typical tech tree that we’re all thinking of when we think of civ games, for sure. Once you get the hang of the upkeep of all the options and understand the iconography (which only takes a play or two to really get a groove) it all flows quite nicely and doesn’t feel tedious at all. I think a lot of that came from the players in this session having only 1 or two plays (did Rusty have many plays before, or was it just Lincoln who had played previously?) between all of them. For a game with such simple options, yet such depth of gameplay, to learn and play a 4 player game, with other relatively newcomers to the game, certainly made it seem much more challenging than it is.

@@Farstr1d3r Thanks for response. I see what you are saying and think you are right. I was also concerned about things like .... achieving space travel before inventing glasses .... but Jamie explained that well when he said playing games are more about creating memorable moments rather than forgettable linear actions.

kmichaelmace absolutely! I hope you get the chance to play and do actually enjoy it! Cheers!

Great now I got one 3 minutes later, this is stupid.

@@odditie Wow! KZfaq is messed up. I will fix this now. We usually never allow more than 3 ads in an episode. Thanks for pointing this out.-Lincoln

pretty atypical. I'm not saying they are not entitled to their opinions and their experiences, but their criticisms are outliers, not the norm. It's a civ game with a lot of depth, and this is first impressions.

@@mattlowder says the speaker of the people?

@@Nain1982 yes. From all the forums and FB groups I've read with early replies from gameplay reports, yes. The majority have been positive and not lukewarm. So, yeah, Mr Passive Aggressive.

@@mattlowder sorry hehe! well it's also wrong to believe they are outliers for disliking a game. The game is also over-hyped, it is a SM game. What matters is that they showed a playthrough for people to make an opinion based on that, and not on how they feel.

@@Nain1982 SM games are often overhyped. Did you like this more or Wingspan more? Did either hit your fun button? Cheers!

I often feel that way with this particular BGG show/segment and I think it’s mostly due to how ALLLLLLL the rules are explained from the get go...makes it seem tedious listening to 10-20 minutes of rules and explanations before a game is started. That said, we own this game in our family and LOVE it. It’s definitely abstract, with a very loose civ theme, but lots of fun and plenty of replayability and variation.

The idea that when you pass you advance an era and don't need to wait for the other players to pass to be able to play again is new and I would like to see it implemented in other games

Sigh... does a gane have to have something new to be good? Anyway, i still agree. This is a game of moving up tracks, it looks pretty dry to me though id probably be happy to play it if asked.

jumpyg1258 , don’t forget ‘over hated’ by people who haven’t played them....