Where is America's Stealth Destroyer?

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This is the US Navy’s USS Zumwalt destroyer. The project has quickly become too expensive for the Navy to justify before Congress, already crossing more than $22 billion dollars by 2008 with billions more expenses in sight. As a result, the Department of the Navy stated that they didn’t even want the Zumwalt anymore. They diverted the funds to instead buy more conventional designs like the Arleigh Burke-class that the Navy has operated since the 1990s. That’s why I have a soft spot in my heart for the Zumwalt because I too know what it's like to be rejected and underappreciated. We've all been the navy’s Zumwalt at one point in our lives.
Written by: Chris Cappy & Diego Aceituno
Edited by: Michael Michaledies
She was supposed to be the US Navy’s destroyer of the future. Instead she was canceled after only 3 ships were built out of a planned 32. The three remaining ships have been in a state of limbo: with no real mission capabilities or purpose like the sad anon of the navy. The entire development story is a rollercoaster of changing priorities over several decades. But fear not the Zumwalt might get the last laugh because in 2023 it will become the first US navy ship to install new hypersonic missiles. Can the navy still salvage the Zumwalt concept? I’m your average infantryman @cappyarmy on instagram lets find out.
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@Taskandpurpose 9 ай бұрын

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@ansonellis443 9 ай бұрын

Do a video on Sakartvelo/Georgia

@theredbaron2313 9 ай бұрын

How you doing, it must be hard pumping out content this often.

@eliasmai6170 9 ай бұрын

how much of the Zuwalt is made from aluminum?

@ArandomPerson7996 9 ай бұрын

Do a vid on the AK 5

@djzrobzombie2813 9 ай бұрын

What happened to the RAH-66 Comanche????😮 You should ask yourself the same question Cappy 😂😂😂

@brianfarrell4987 9 ай бұрын

A family friend of mine was a prominent member of DDG-1000s design team, and this was pretty much his life’s work. It crushed him to see Zumwalt squandered because of conflicting philosophies demanded by the CNOs. I was invited to DDG-1000’s commissioning in Baltimore and it truly was a spectacle. Something I’ll never forget.

@karlphillips8310 9 ай бұрын

The technology and innovations will probably make their way into a future design ship in the future - those things last longer than the platforms themselves if that is any consulation.

@djzrobzombie2813 9 ай бұрын

What happened to the RAH-66 Comanche????😮 You should ask yourself the same question Cappy 😂😂😂

@strykrpinoy 9 ай бұрын

@@rael5469 Its actually one of the highlights of it.

@UniversalMusicLtd584 9 ай бұрын

Wow can't imagine. the closest I have seen is the visby class and even at its small size its presence was other worldly, Musta been a real sight.

@strykrpinoy 9 ай бұрын

@@rael5469 Its actually one of the highlights of it.

@user-rd4sx8ni6k 8 ай бұрын

“Failing its way to success” - favorite quote from this episode!

@aurorauplinks 4 ай бұрын

yea that was a great one haha

@pietermoorer3679 3 ай бұрын

It is even worse then the fucked up F-35. At least that shit gets sold to supporting countries.. Which leaves them without a functioning military which is becoming very obvious now, with the war in Urkaine.

@blowe85206 9 ай бұрын

The radar cross section is 100 percent fact. I was sitting just off of San Diego by Zuniga when it pulled into port for the first times and on radar it was massive from a certain angle. It made one turn in the channel and it shrunk to almost nothing. Seeing it on screen and then looking up at it was a trip.

@Kriss_L 8 ай бұрын

The RCS doesn't matter that much though if the ship is using it's SPY radar though.

@tonymorris4335 8 ай бұрын

@@Kriss_L Not at all true, it's phased array and sweeps in a manner that it really doesn't provide the enemy with a way to easily resolve the location it's coming from. Otherwise stealth aircraft would be entirely useless and pointless. Source - RF Metrologist from the USAF

@Kriss_L 8 ай бұрын

@@tonymorris4335 As a retired US Navy CT I'd say that that metrologist doesn't know much about SIGINT.

@outkast937 8 ай бұрын

Well to be fair, thats true of literally any stealth thing. Same goes for the F-22, F-35, etc. From the front, it's invisible to anything but high powered search radar, and that will only give you a tiny, almost insignificant return, targeting radar sees nothing, From the side, top, bottom, its a bit more visible, from the back... Yeahhh even the Russians can find a raptor if it points its ass at the radar

@outkast937 8 ай бұрын

@@tonymorris4335if your radar is on, youre visible. Doesnt matter how stealthy you are, that radar is a neon sign screaming IM HERE!!!!! SHOOT MEEEEEE!!!! You try lighting up that radar when youre trying not to get seen, if theres a single HARM anywhere in range, you are fucked. Its gonna track your radar and its going remove you from existence. Sure, try the countermeasures and show everyone where you are so they can get pointed the right way and run a bi static radar search and send some more shit at you, as well as visual targeted weaponry.

@jasoncox9883 7 ай бұрын

Passed away……I was serving in the Navy at that time. Thank you for being respectful. Don’t see that much these days. Got a subscriber now. Great channel and topics.

@DRKttv 9 ай бұрын

My father worked on the project and all he really conveyed over the years was frustration from drafting room all the way through production. I’m sure the navy is dealing with plenty of it as well while operating it. It’s an absolutely incredible ship technology wise but man it was a headache.

@mack1691 8 ай бұрын

If you watch The Pentagon Wars that pretty much sums it up.

@goldenhate6649 7 ай бұрын

Welcome to having an entire admiralty staff of activists and politicians and not combat veterans... The Navy's admirals are a god damn disgrace these last 40 years. The short tenure I had to deal with their stupidity was painful.

@ravensmill3927 9 ай бұрын

"Destroyers like the *Zumwalt* are in the Middle of the spectrum...which is exactly what my doctor told me I am!" 🤣You totally got me with that one! I didn't see it coming.

@Taskandpurpose 9 ай бұрын

I have my 'tism is well under control : D

@mudhutonthemoon 8 ай бұрын

@@Taskandpurpose I try to suppress mine!

@Thescidude1 9 ай бұрын

20-year puddle pirate here. Other than my days on an 82-foot cutter (that no longer exists in active duty anywhere), most of my duty was boarding cargo ships, container ships, ro-ro's, tankers, etc. So most of that time was on other people's ship's, conducting inspections in port. Love your stuff!

@swordmaster2k1 9 ай бұрын

4-year Coastie here. Plenty of boardings here too during the days of the DOG and immediately afterward. Thanks for your service shipmate and glad you love the videos!

@mikechristopherson6035 Ай бұрын

@@swordmaster2k1 Thanks for serving in the Coast Guard. It's important work.

@Amblix 8 ай бұрын

worked on development of this ship's systems for almost 6 years, through the initial cancellation attempts/steps around 2008. years of working 80 to over 100 hours a week. controversial is an understatement. this ship's design, it's development at every level, and management of the project at every level was filled with controversy. nevertheless, i'll never forget my years working it; was a great experience and will always look back fondly.

@TheJustinJ 8 ай бұрын

Ben Rich's Book, "Skunk Works", details a proposal to the Navy for a stealth fleet of destroyers, missile boats, and invisible to sonar submarines. In the late-1970s. They didn't want any of it. Skunk Works could have done a design project in secret with a low budget and made a semi mass producible prototype without anyone knowing about it. Meaning nobody to ruin it. Then coulda just made it more mainstream like Skunkworks F-117 and now F-35 is a regular old Lockheed product.

@GeneralJackRipper 4 ай бұрын

Can we have our money back please? We're 30 trillion in debt and we need to recoup some useless expenditures.

@lgd1974 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your work!

@MoGumbo_ 2 ай бұрын

@@GeneralJackRipper tf you want him to do

@nothingtoseaheardammit 9 ай бұрын

Was walking the dogs out on the Eastern Prom in Portland ME with the Zum was going through sea trials and just ghosted into Portland Harbor through a dense fog layer. It was eerie and amazing to see. Some know-nothings nearby started freaking out because they didn't know what it was.

@Phrancis5 9 ай бұрын

I toured one of those Zumwalts during fleet week in Portland Oregon. Very futuristic looking, but the CIC was running old Windows on all the screens LOL.

@angis888 9 ай бұрын

...and then you woke up....😁 just joking, its cool story, for real. it do look like: "wtf is this?" type of thing 😁

@bredsheeran2897 9 ай бұрын

Fellow Mainer here, it makes me super proud that my state has been able to do this, and I live more inland towards Sebago

@angis888 9 ай бұрын

@@bredsheeran2897Maine seems like my type of state if I would be American 😁 the climate and nature is totally my type.

@robertkeyes258 9 ай бұрын

@@bredsheeran2897 yup Mainer as well, up towards Greenville. I don't think we need any of this in Lake Moosehead but mmmaybe.

@azxctr 9 ай бұрын

Man, everytime I see you posted a new video it gets me excited. Easy to understand while remaining informative, yet delivered with exactly the right amount of jokes and charm to make it entertaining. So many military/war KZfaqrs are either too dramatic and depressing, too biased or too serious. Usually a combination of them. Keep doing what you do man. Hooah?

@Taskandpurpose 9 ай бұрын

hoooOoOoAaaaAhhh glad you dig the vibe man !

@richardc7941 9 ай бұрын

😊

@kivenbaltazar6060 9 ай бұрын

Agree to this

@oswb8225 9 ай бұрын

Cappy is awesome

@bafa000 8 ай бұрын

"Hooah".... .........................

@kevadu 9 ай бұрын

Fun fact: the name 'destroyer' originally was just short for 'torpedo boat destroyer'. After the invention of the torpedo it was realized that a swarm of small, cheap torpedo boats posed a serious risk to larger capitol ships (before torpedoes they couldn't really do any damage to them) and there was a need for escort ships that could accompany the larger ships and screen them from small torpedo boats. As aircraft and submarines were developed the role of the destroyer was expanded to include defending against those threats as well. But also destroyers started to be armed with torpedoes themselves to give them more offensive capability. And with the development of long-range anti-ship missiles destroyers have been given more and more offensive capabilities over the years...and now 'frigates' serve the primarily defensive role that destroyers once did. ...basically nobody can agree on what any of these names mean anyway.

@Marveryn 9 ай бұрын

yep. going by the old system zumwalt should had been classfied as a cruiser not a destroyer as destroyer were met to be easily replace if sunk. Light on crew. navy was willing to lose two or 3 destroyer if it meant saving a battleship. Later they became convey escorts and giving more anti sub package.

@TAPATIOPLEASE 8 ай бұрын

I always wander when I hear cruiser , frigates and destroyers I literally just class them as smaller ships in the group bc I personally don't know

@xantares13 8 ай бұрын

Destroyers destroy, Cruisers cruise, Battleships battle ships, and Aircraft Carriers carry aircraft

@TAPATIOPLEASE 8 ай бұрын

@@xantares13 so cruisers are just live shields that cruise on the sides as cover?

@KraziEyevin 8 ай бұрын

@@TAPATIOPLEASEnah, they're the ships you have cruising the seas. Battleships are expensive, keep them where the biggest threats might be and let the cruisers cruise.

@lgd1974 3 ай бұрын

Cappy, thank you for this. I had been out of the Navy 10 years when I started following the DDG-1000 program. I remember early declassified DARPA videos of the tumblehome hull. When the 29 ships were canceled and the ammo was not bought, I was really disappointed.

@Schmidty1 9 ай бұрын

Tech developed for the Zumwalt is used on the Gerald R. Ford class carriers.

@user-McGiver 9 ай бұрын

it will stay in history next to the F-117... [they even look alike] just wait till the next gen ships [based on it] come up...

@DetectiveLance 9 ай бұрын

People forget that the r&d for some projects find new homes in other ones

@tomhenry897 9 ай бұрын

Don’t they have problems with there toliets

@user-McGiver 9 ай бұрын

@@tomhenry897 Nah!... ''their toilets'' ( that's how to spell it...) are stainless steel not ''for ruZZian to steal''...

@e2rqey 9 ай бұрын

It was used as the test bed for a whole lot of naval technology

@johnr1840 9 ай бұрын

In keeping with the futuristic design of the ship, the navy selected Captain James Kirk as the first commanding officer!

@davemsh 9 ай бұрын

Cool! Thanks of that tidbit. Would've been cooler if he had commanded the USS Enterprise!

@user-yq3fz9ch5q 9 ай бұрын

@@davemshwell he's Captain James "A" Kirk. Gotta work up to Tiberius🤷‍♂️

@fallinginthed33p 9 ай бұрын

"Captain Kirk" on the Zumwalt sounds a bit strange. Just rename the ship Enterprise...

@davemsh 9 ай бұрын

@@fallinginthed33p There’s already an aircraft carrier named Enterprise. Besides, he’s already retired as an admiral.

@Menaceblue3 9 ай бұрын

@@davemsh Admiral James Kirk? Just like in the movies!

@Utubesuperstar 8 ай бұрын

It’s insane the level of incompetence that this ship suffered from in the procurement process. It had true potential but now it is much larger than a Burke destroyer and holds far fewer missiles.

@goldenhate6649 7 ай бұрын

If the guns actually worked, it would be a really good ship. Good for shore bombardment, anti-ship warfare etc. But instead we get a half ass missile boat that would have been better off with 2 5 inch guns that is the epitome of how bad the navy admirals have gotten.

@-UNKNOWN-13 5 ай бұрын

They are going to ditch the forward guns and add more vertical launch cells. If I remember correctly it will have a possible 200 missile armament.

@Utubesuperstar 5 ай бұрын

@@-UNKNOWN-13 I think they’re adding larger cells that can accommodate bigger hypersonics where the gun mounts are

@drsybaris 8 ай бұрын

Outstanding, Chris. A great recanting of the history and update of the status of the Zumwalt.

@alexhuntercdc5151 9 ай бұрын

The 1000 on the hull stands for the amount of money it wastes every second of existence

@erikabloodaxe2581 9 ай бұрын

Sounds like a company venture capitalists can’t wait to invest in

@trollmastermike52845 9 ай бұрын

With that money could have re modernized the iowas

@Foenem521 9 ай бұрын

Lmfao

@OneShot_G 9 ай бұрын

@@trollmastermike52845the iowas are the opposite of stealth and in a completely different class

@tomstarcevich1147 9 ай бұрын

Exactly 💯 💯 💯 😮😮😮😮

@scott_hunts 9 ай бұрын

I had one go by me once while fishing. The wake was massive, and the waves caused some of the nearby riverbank to calve off and fall into the water.

@Taskandpurpose 9 ай бұрын

wish the zumwalt would splish splash me

@navb0tactual 9 ай бұрын

Keep it in your standard issued pants Cappy

@miming3679 9 ай бұрын

@@navb0tactualit looks like he already splish splashed his pants

@polnoeceloe 9 ай бұрын

To date, this seems to be the only achievement of this ship

@michaelross1464 5 ай бұрын

"What a beautiful CF" great line and so very descriptive! :)

@MadWizard89 8 ай бұрын

man i love your balance between technical facts and fun analogies.

@kumarsalib722 9 ай бұрын

We need to cancel more programs that aren't delivering rather than pouring more money on the fire.

@thomaszhang3101 9 ай бұрын

Program manager: I may not be pregnant, but I never never fail to deliver.

@C21H30O2 9 ай бұрын

But there's too much money to be made by the people who make the decisions in this country. We're screwed.

@kevinsierra482 9 ай бұрын

the zumwalt was made with a massive power output.... maybe it can take on a massive laser weapon system

@nathanthanatos3743 9 ай бұрын

We need to remember what the word 'amortize' means, every time budget cuts are considered. It became uneconomical after the hulls were canceled.

@theubiquitouspotato 9 ай бұрын

Mate the US history is littered with "failed" programmes that lead to technologies that where adopted in later systems. The zumwalts are fantastic ships they just have no ammo they where built for technologies that never came about.

@NoTengoDinero69 9 ай бұрын

As someone who was raised by a father that had a deep love for military history and bought me plenty of books on the topics I love your channel. Definitely good for getting some unbiased breakdowns of modern military topics without worrying about needless political POV eating up time. Just the facts are appreciated!

@jaime683 9 ай бұрын

Cappy, early in design, one of the two competing teams proposed replacing the guns with a VLS full of low cost land attack missiles. The analysis concluded that it was more effective and cheaper. But, as you said, there was that law in the books.

@grahamstrouse1165 5 ай бұрын

Problem is we don’t HAVE a low-cost land-attack missile either. TLAM costs a couple million per fire….

@duro845 8 ай бұрын

No worries it's only tax dollars

@vipondiu 9 ай бұрын

The comparison between the Zumwalt and Inspector Gadget is spot on

@Warshipmodelsunderway 9 ай бұрын

Fun fact, the Ticonderoga class cruisers were originally designated guided missile destroyers, which made sense as they were built on a Spruance class destroyer hull. They were re-designated because of the cost per unit. A Zumwalt has fewer VLS cells that a Burke class destroyer, which also has a 5" gun. I don't know why they didn't fit a conventional 5" in at least one of the spaces available in the Zumwalt to give her at least some capability. Or, work with the Army, which has it's own advanced gun system using a rocket assisted projectile. Or just convert the guns to use standard 155mm shells. Perhaps the hypersonic option will be workable, but I note that missile only ships have never been popular, and that even the USS Long Beach (CGN-9) had a couple of 5" guns added to her.

@djinn666 9 ай бұрын

Missile ships become useful when facing a high-threat environment with many well-defended targets. The goal is to get in range as quickly as possible, launch what you can and escape to a safe distance. A gun is just dead weight. Meanwhile, against weak targets such as pirates on speedboats, naval guns are very useful. That's a lot more common of a problem than near-peer conflicts, and so navy officers with tons of experience dealing with those end up choosing a ship with guns. However, I would argue that having a ship that performs poorly against pirates isn't a big issue. Even if you fail, some other military asset can take care of it later. But when you have a near-peer conflict, you'd absolutely want the best ship for the job.

@AbuHajarAlBugatti 9 ай бұрын

Ticonderoga must stay reserved for lazer scifi ships

@nvelsen1975 8 ай бұрын

@@djinn666 "A gun is just dead weight". You do realise half the Russian navy has gotten f*cked because their ships don't have enough guns and rely on missiles right? Their navy is losing a naval war to Ukraine, which doesn't even have a navy.

@ajseastrand 8 ай бұрын

They will eventually get a directed energy weapon I bet. Kind of makes sense if we refer back to that hybrid energy system huh? Almost like that was the plan all along lol. Remember they just revealed that the Ford will be arming with DE weapons ( probably already is ) The laser would not only give the zumwalt a low cost directed weapon but it could possibly cure the “ vulnerability “ issue from anti-ship missiles. Those turret areas were supposed to be modular anyways if I remember correctly.

@sawyerlachance7745 8 ай бұрын

The Army's M982 is a modified version of the Navy's projectile. Thats why its so cheap. The navy essentialy footed the development cost and acted as a test bed for the eventual army proposal.

@azlaw5581 7 ай бұрын

Working on the overhaul of this ship right now. Awesome vessel if you asked me. Thank you for this video, it really helps me to understand the system I now work on everyday.

@jameskrivda1151 3 ай бұрын

I remember seeing the Zumwalt years ago when I stopped at the old fishing pier on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. What an amazing looking piece of American ingenuity. I also was lucky enought to spot the USS Bainbridge at a different time at the same location.

@langhamp8912 9 ай бұрын

Never thought I'd hear "sustainable" and "artillery shells" in the same sentence.

@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 Ай бұрын

Then you haven't read enough ww1 history

@langhamp8912 Ай бұрын

@@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 No, I haven't. As a layman, I didn't understand how artillery worked on the battlefield and in logistics until I read Thomas Huber's "Japan's Battle of Okinawa".

@luciusvorenus9445 9 ай бұрын

Fair Winds and Following Seas, ADM Boorda. From E-1 high school dropout to CNO. A sailor's sailor who cared about the Enlisted Sailors and his Navy.

@leokim2998 9 ай бұрын

Cappy is well known for some interesting pronunciations. I wasn't watching the video(I was listening) and I couldn't figure out who he was talking about until he said that the Admiral passed away. I was wondering who Admiral "Bordar" was... I was in NROTC when that happened so it was big news. I always thought it was pronounced "Board-uh."

@john316godlovesyou5 25 күн бұрын

Love your videos! Your videos are always informative, well-presented, and full of humor! Keep up the great work and God bless you!

@bearanov 4 ай бұрын

So they replaced the guns they can't use with missles still under development.

@331SVTCobra 9 ай бұрын

A Zumwalt is basically a submarine that can operate helos. ... it can only dive once though.

@BravoCheesecake 9 ай бұрын

The fact that they're currently outfitting the missile tubes in Ingals right now means that Conventional Prompt Strike is fully operational.

@user-ob3gi5do1i 8 ай бұрын

"it continues to fail its way to success"--that is brilliant! I'm stealing it! Great article!

@Miamcoline 8 ай бұрын

Never understood exactly what went wrong with this, even when I was a weapons analyst. Thank you for untangling that mess for what is a very cool peace of technology and deterrent. Great analysis as always.

@gregorynelson2327 9 ай бұрын

One of the best yet, your turning into an investigative reporter. GJ

@GUNNAMANE 9 ай бұрын

Man this is crazy, I’ve spent the last few days looking for some good zumwalt content. Like legit researched content, not AI-voiced shorts with a chatGPT-generated scripts. Appreciate you putting this out, good stuff bro.

@JOSyKo 8 ай бұрын

Love the Picard reference! Specifically because back in 2016 The USS Zumwalt had a captain by the name of James Kirk.

@andrew390 9 ай бұрын

Hahaha ... "what a beautiful cluster-f*&k" and "failed its way to success" ... too funny Chris!

@Phrancis5 9 ай бұрын

I toured one of those Zumwalts during fleet week in Portland Oregon. Very futuristic looking, but the CIC was running old Windows on all the screens LOL. No one can predict the future, so trying new (unfortunately expensive) concepts is the only way to stay ahead of the competition.

@mawnkey 9 ай бұрын

You realize Microsoft still provides security fixes and some times even feature requests for older versions of Windows if you're willing to pay enough for them, right? Windows NT 4.0 was still being supported for bank ATMs with security patches when Windows 7 was a thing. And the nice part with an older version: the interface doesn't constantly change so soldiers always know where everything is in the heat of combat. They don't need to run the latest version of Steam or be able to install the newest version of Quickbooks. They need their software to run reliably and predictably in a consistent environment. They can either build and maintain their own bespoke environment (which has its own massive headaches) _or_ use a consistent interface almost every soldier is guaranteed to have some familiarity with requiring minimal training.

@DavidHalko 9 ай бұрын

@@mawnkey- the smaller the code base & longer it has been bug fixed, the more reliable it should become… windows or no windows

@Phrancis5 9 ай бұрын

@@mawnkey Yeah, I know. I work in tech and had worked in the Fed gov for yrs using Win NT. I get the reasons for sticking with what works and is familiar. It just looks antiquated on the most futuristic looking ship.

@jaybee9269 7 ай бұрын

Sure they were…security would have been downgraded because you were there.

@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 Ай бұрын

@@mawnkeyMicrosoft should have thought about that before forcing everyone from windows 7, I know you forgot about windows 8 being dog shit but I won't, cause coding became that much more annoying

@furmanmackey5479 9 ай бұрын

As a now long retired SMC told me back in 2012....The Navy screwed the pooch with the Zumwalt and the two LCVs designs because they were under armed, under crewed, under armored, and way overpriced for what the Navy actually expected and needed.

@DaleKallio-jk9wo 9 ай бұрын

Sounds like a drill sergeant line: "Who do you think you are?..Inspector Gadget?..fall in!"😂😂

@JoeyCarb 8 ай бұрын

What's so frustrating about the guns is that we already have an extended range gps and laser guided 155 round in the excalibur. All they had to do was add a rocket assist. No need to reinvent the wheel.

@NightWatch1337 9 ай бұрын

What a rollercoaster that was! Thanks Chris, great content as always 👍

@lil__shmeat 9 ай бұрын

Came for the thumbnail, stayed for the excellent content

@MrLemonbaby 2 ай бұрын

Very professional, instructive and well produced vid. Thank you.

@AtomicBuffalo 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for providing the historical context and development history of this ship class. It answers the smug “what were they thinking?” And “how could they screw up so much?” questions common to Internet Digest takes. It seems what we have now is a development platform for future weapons, and a lot of lessons learned.

@HectorRoldan 9 ай бұрын

Making these able to go underwater just deep enough to avoid Munitions would be epic and expensive.. Plus maybe a little more stealthy in other situations.

@James-bw4np 9 ай бұрын

A Zumwalt size "semi-submersible" vessel that can be the most annoying whack-a-mole ever? Put some good electronic counter measures on that and an "Iron Dome" system... well that would be terrifying.

@CharliMorganMusic 9 ай бұрын

Or... make a submarine

@freetrade8830 9 ай бұрын

Why not make them fly into outer space while you're at it?

@James-bw4np 9 ай бұрын

@@freetrade8830 cause re-entry damages the stealth coating.

@danbardos3498 9 ай бұрын

@@James-bw4npNot is you put the word "Space" in front of it. Might as well add "Tatical" while we're at it. Tactical Space Stealth Coating Fixed! 😅

@SamtheIrishexan 9 ай бұрын

Naval guns are cool though. Something gorgeous about knowing 100s of miles a way a massive shell is launched to plug the enemy

@AbyssWatcher745 9 ай бұрын

And still cheaper than missiles if only the production wasn't cancelled

@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775 8 ай бұрын

I not only served in the Navy several years ago, but we had the Zumwalt actually dock next to the ship that I served aboard. The poor vessel broke down in the Guadalcanal, and it had to be tugged back to port. However, it was still a pretty ship to look at.

@i-love-space390 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for the informative video. I was wondering how they would end up using the Zumwalt class destroyers.

@tracym8952 9 ай бұрын

Literally wondered about the Ole zumwalt last night. Good timing Cappy

@djzrobzombie2813 9 ай бұрын

What happened to the RAH-66 Comanche????😮 You should ask yourself the same question Cappy 😂😂😂

@Mr.Dogfood 9 ай бұрын

I was like a raid add how old is this and it's brand new 😂😂😂

@Vapor454 9 ай бұрын

This information is awesome. It also makes it easier to go back to bed. I mean this in all seriousness, keep doing what you're doing.

@melapelan2596 8 ай бұрын

When I worked on Coronado Island, as I was clocking in to my job, I turned around and saw this huge ass ship passing by under the Coronado bridge and man was it cool to see something so advanced and rare

@samuelzackrisson8865 9 ай бұрын

the interesting thing with tumbleholm hull shape is that it can be really stabile but when it gets a hull breach it loses stability really quick

@samuelzackrisson8865 9 ай бұрын

@@rael5469 correct

@Adierit 9 ай бұрын

@@rael5469 It has a very low amount of the ship below the water line compared to other designs, which means when it starts flooding with water it quickly rolls over and capsizes.

@thestrykernet 9 ай бұрын

Love this video (though you should have mentioned the unique VLS and how it's different). I hope you'll do something on the Arleigh Burkes and how they're holding capability back due to the platform which isn't an issue the Zumwalt would have had. I certainly understand what led to the cancelation of the Zumwalt, but capability wise it's beginning to look as dumb as only buying 3 Seawolfs.

@wstavis3135 9 ай бұрын

Or cancelling the F-22 at 187 units?

@tonymorris4335 8 ай бұрын

Nah that will have turned out to be a good decision for the same reason as the arleigh burkes. Having worked with it it's a fantastic jet but the electronics were built from the 90s before modularity was as strong as it is today. Look into the issues we've had updating the software and hardware from the original gear and you'll see why the USAF wants to retire them already.@@wstavis3135

@user-vn7xr7dm1o 7 ай бұрын

I worked on that program. It was the best run program I have ever worked on. I hope it proves all the people who think it was a waste of money wrong. It will be a great ship.

@MiguelDLewis 9 ай бұрын

You usually make really good videos but this is by far one of the best. Very informative but also inspirational. I love the Zumwalt's design; just from a purely aesthetic standpoint it looks cool and intimidating. Using them as the first naval vessels to hold hypersonic missiles is so fitting and just shows how failures can turn out to be successes. 🔫🗽🦅

@tobyw9573 6 ай бұрын

NONSENSE! Navy said US has no hypersonic missiles!!! ;)

@MiguelDLewis 6 ай бұрын

@@tobyw9573 Suuuure lol

@beachcomberbob3496 9 ай бұрын

Nice to see that we're going back to Tumblehome hull designs - just like the Royal Navy ships of the late 1800s!

@hiigara2085 9 ай бұрын

Oh thanks actually really nice to hear they're getting hypersonics. All three of these ships deserve a good life

@dariusmeno6194 9 ай бұрын

"Fail its way to success" is now apart of my vocabulary and i shall be sure to render proper citations to MR. Cappy.

@WolfHowl71 9 ай бұрын

Went jet skiing in San Diego a few years ago when all three of them were in port. Really cool looking ships.

@MatthewNeill 9 ай бұрын

Task & Purpose... How'd you get so smart??? I love you videos! Awesome content, topics and information! Great job!

@blockmg9425 9 ай бұрын

To be honest I really like that ship appearance and design. It's to much of a oddball that I like it.

@shammy313 9 ай бұрын

Always great info

@Grace17893 9 ай бұрын

Great work brother; God bless you man

@mindblownwatcher8536 9 ай бұрын

Ask the Air Force how the idea of missiles as the only armament worked out in early Vietnam combat.

@purona2500 9 ай бұрын

we had worse guided weapon systems back then. that is not the case anymore.

@bucks8428 9 ай бұрын

Yeah surely for the last 50 years missiles haven't gotten better with microchips

@blckspice5167 9 ай бұрын

That was a mostly doctrine and training issue rather than just armament. Which did play a role, but was not as simple as "missile bad".

@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am 9 ай бұрын

It worked great, once they re-trained their pilots to use the missiles properly.

@vladimirmihnev9702 9 ай бұрын

You need something that is cheaper a Somali pirate boat does not need to multi million missile to be made to get away not to mention that you may want to fire a few warning shoots and using missiles for this is just... A I don't know how to say it but I think you guys get what I mean!

@viewer3412 9 ай бұрын

Hey, Cappy, I love this clip! The jokes and news in it kept my attention. I like the “Puddle Pirate” quip and the flip-flop development of the DDG1K: it’s as comical as the “Pentagon Wars” movie (development of the Bradley). My personal opinion: Gotta keep our naval production capacity up, so building crappy ships during peacetime as welfare-for-ship builders is fine with me. I firmly believe the Arsenal ship is better for today: a modular launch platform for missiles of all types as well as DRONES-A Gawd awful lot. Loitering, attritable, swarm, whatever… if I had my way, the drones launched would support fighters launched from aircraft carriers, then recovered. The Arsenal ship doesn’t have to be fancy, just a converted, double hulled, container ship to hold a forest of launch cells. In the end, peacetime is an opportunity to build cutting edge stuff because there’s no enemy to poke holes in gold-plated ships. The LCS’s were a good try, now going big(ger) is more cost effective and making changes to big hulled ships are all the easier as technology changes too. If a conflict does break out, a crash build program to spit out newer ships incorporating successful new techs will be better than starting from scratch with a dilapidated ship building infrastructure and unproven technologies. Keep up the good work!

@Troubleshoot_it 9 ай бұрын

I was on the DDG-108. The Zumwalt pulled up and moored next to us but on the opposite side of the pier shortly after we pulled into port. Somehow, our shore power lines got mixed up then at 0200ish our #2 switchboard blew and started an electrical fire in our main engine room #2.

@cremsen1 8 ай бұрын

Really good episode Chris. One of your best.

@vjness101 9 ай бұрын

Holy cow I had no idea we had radars like the X-Band , that's bonkers detection range

@JosephHarner 8 ай бұрын

It's a pretty deceptive claim, though. Picking up faint signals is only a small part of the problem. When that signal is masked by clutter or noise, good luck! You can spot a candle with your bare eyes from miles away. But only during the night. A telescope could spot that candle during the day, but point that telescope at a candle between you and the sun and you'll blind yourself before you spot the candle, even one close enough to see with the naked eye.

@trolleriffic 8 ай бұрын

It's a very big radar that operates at high power levels. Some of the older ballistic missile tracking and warning radars operated at up to 100 megawatts.

@sitechca70 Ай бұрын

Ha! I recognized the USS Cunningham at 7:38. Wish they'd build it, now that's a real multi-mission destroyer.

@maringarvanovic8011 9 ай бұрын

I always love your vids so many thanks. Arsenal ships are the way ahead. Also for shore battery they can fit Himars packs in their various configurations.

@xxmrrickxx 9 ай бұрын

I wonder if we will soon get to a point where missile interceptors will be so efficient that 16 inch gun projectiles will be needed. Maybe a 16 inch version of the Excalibur GPS guided munition would look pretty good and our museum ships would be brought into service 😃

@reesew71 9 ай бұрын

Artillery shells are big and not as fast you think they are

@oldscratch3535 9 ай бұрын

@@reesew71 Yeah, but could you successfully divert or destroy a 16" shell traveling through the air? A little missile interceptor doesn't have the mass to move it. Most missile defense systems use kinetic kill or they explode and spread out a dense field of small shrapnel to damage the lightly built missile. You're not doing that to a 2,000lb armor piercing shell.

@8eight306 9 ай бұрын

@@oldscratch3535 Railgun battleships wouldn't suprise me if they came around in the future. A large hull would be the only way to support the needed energy production for a rail gun.

@jdeuraud1096 9 ай бұрын

@@oldscratch3535 “You're not doing that to a 2,000lb armor piercing shell.” If you want to read a humorous version of this read Harry Turtledove’s Worldwar series, where aliens with 21st century level tech decide to attack the earth during WW2.

@jaybee9269 7 ай бұрын

Don’t underestimate big guns.

@BoringAngler 9 ай бұрын

If the AGS was compatible with the "vanilla" 155mm ammo used by the ground forces at least there would be something the Zumwalts could shoot.

@kkang2828 9 ай бұрын

I think the Zumwalt class, or at least it’s concept, will be useful eventually. Our current technology level regarding stuff like hypersonics, rail guns, and lasers just haven’t caught up with the Zumwalt’s potential yet. (The LCS was the real USN failure of the century) Meanwhile we can all enjoy just how futuristic she looks 😊

@tyharris9994 3 ай бұрын

As of last month our interest payment on the national debt now exceeds what we spend on national defense and social security. If we don't balance our budget soon there aren't going to BE any futuristic ship designs. We are going to wind up like the UK - priced out of the Navy business.

@Cyliem 9 ай бұрын

It looks so sleek and futuristic. I say make more of it not because of it's capabilities but because it just looks cool. 😎

@jaybee9269 7 ай бұрын

Hear, hear.

@andrewday3206 9 ай бұрын

NAMMO ramjet artillery rounds among with hypersonic missiles would be insane on the Zumwalt. The current 155mm NAMMO rounds are already showing 62-93 miles of range. Going with longer barrels would just add range. They use less initial propellant and have barrels that last a very long time.

@longiusaescius2537 9 ай бұрын

Why didn't they add them?

@Merecir 9 ай бұрын

@@longiusaescius2537 Norwegian/Finnish company.

@davidkauppi7169 9 ай бұрын

I've got a 155 mm LRLAP demonstration round in my garage, minus the fins. Man, is it heavy.

@MajorBorris 9 ай бұрын

Advanced naval designs take so long to build and implement that the US Navy's missions and strategy may change before they reach operational status. Had the US Navy still required an advanced littoral destroyer I'm sure the munitions would have become feasible with production scale. The ship is still valuable as a technology demonstrator.

@TheCool_Guy23 9 ай бұрын

This! It seems to me that we used to be able to pump out dozens of ships, and modernize our military quickly and easily, yet these days it takes decades to build one ship or new fighter jet, and by the time it's finished it's already obsolete, overpriced, or just plain useless

@vakten8323 5 ай бұрын

I toured USS North Carolina months back, which is a South Dakota Class BB...so older than the Iowa Class...and they are still required to keep a reactivation book. We really need a ship with amphibious fire support to replace our museum ships...

@RyanDaMannn 8 ай бұрын

“Destroyers like the Zumwalt are in the middle of the spectrum, which is exactly what my doctors told me i am.” Lol, the quick bits of comedic relief always hit their mark.

@RonLWilson 9 ай бұрын

Having Stealth might work well with having hypersonic missiles in that they can act independently to hit high value targets while being hard to spot and ID if they travel where there are lots of small ships that have about the same radar signature. It is sort of like being able to make a one ship Doolittle raid.

@Jeff55369 Ай бұрын

paired what that radar ghosting tech the airforce has, you could make a single "fishing boat" look like a fleet of fishing boats.

@ErikHare 9 ай бұрын

The distinction's in Hall size and speed and armament are important between a destroyer and a cruiser. But I also think of cruisers as being the ones which can deliver more to the shore whereas destroyers are almost entirely for engaging ships. Protecting commerce is another role I can think of. Distinctions based on role seem much more useful to me.

@neubauerjoseph 9 ай бұрын

Hey I like you doing navy videos as a navy bet this makes my day

@KnowledgeIncarnate 4 ай бұрын

I feel like that fishing boat radar cross-section is pretty useful with the hypersonic missiles as well.

@beachcomberbob3496 9 ай бұрын

The best argument for 'the big gun' is they used to be (and really still should be) loaded and fired with manpower alone. Granted they have fire control systems, but they too should be hard-wired for analogue use. What happens if these new missile systems get hit by an EMP? 'Dead in the water' would be a literal term. What would they have? POM POMs and 50 cals for protection? Give me the old battleships in that scenario.

@Ludofjn 9 ай бұрын

Iowa's should have remained active until a modern montana was brought in to replace them.

@PracticalTacticalFedeli 9 ай бұрын

Underrated comment. So many things need to have analog back up if they’re going digital

@voidtempering8700 9 ай бұрын

@@PracticalTacticalFedeliAll modern military vehicles are designed with resistance to EMPs.

@PracticalTacticalFedeli 9 ай бұрын

@@voidtempering8700 it’s not just about EMPs-analog backups work for a variety of reasons-loss of power only being one-

@trolleriffic 8 ай бұрын

Zumwalt has a crew of 130 in total while each turret on the Iowa class needed between 85 and 110 men to operate. Naval gunnery is also much less accurate than guided missiles unless it's also using guided shells, and guns have a relatively short range (less than 24 miles for the Iowa's big guns). Meanwhile modern warships can engage targets over 1,000 miles away using missiles that carry much more explosive than even those huge 16" shells, and do it with at least an order of magnitude more precision.

@stacymcmahon453 9 ай бұрын

Oooh, perfect chance for me to be a know-it-all on ship classifications :) Destroyers are usually thought of as small fleet escort ships, and they are, but as you said, the classification is mainly about the capabilities. Destroyers are specifically equipped with a full spectrum of weapons and sensors to defend against subsurface, surface, and air-based threats. They are focused on that mission, versus something like a frigate that has lesser capability on those areas but a more flexible design that can be used for various combat and non-combat missions. The ships the USN calls cruisers today are really destroyers. Their capabilities are the same as a Burke-class DDG, but they add a second 5" gun and flag officer facilities. The DDG-1000s were originally conceived to operate supporting forces ashore in high-threat littoral zones, not as fleet escorts. In that role, it would indeed make more sense to classify them as cruisers, because they would be the center of their own strike group and probably have one or more destroyers as escort. But as you also pointed out, the mission kept changing, and ultimately was muddied to the point that they were claimed to be fleet escorts, possibly because even with their advanced stealth capabilities they were too vulnerable and too expensive to be risked close to the front lines. Down through history, many warships have become white elephants for those reasons. If the technical kinks can be ironed out, and the 6.1" guns replaced with something useful like a hypersonic missile and/or a regular 5" gun, the DDG-1000s might yet serve in their original intended role as inshore fire support and first strike in a contested environment. Sort of a surface ship version of an F-35. At which point they should be classified as cruisers due to being utilized as a capital ship.

@Marveryn 9 ай бұрын

yeah i was thinking zumwalt was misclassifed (most likely on purpose so they get 32 of them initially) as a destroyer. that thing scream cruiser to me at least going by ww2 standards. The whole point of destroyers is protect the fleet but are easily replaced. they are the screening force that draws fire away from the big boys. zumwalt feel like instead of protecting and drawing fire. its the ship that need protection so it can deliver its heavy firepower into shore or enemy vessels. Main job being shore but am sure it can also handle ship to ship combat if call upon.

@jesperlykkeberg7438 8 ай бұрын

"the classification is mainly about the capabilities" Yep, and from the perspective of the Royal Danish Navy the most important capability in this regard is the ship´s range. Frigates (and cruisers) are regarded as true blue-water warships with a range of more than 9000 nautical miles such as for example the Iver Huitfeldt-class frigates which today are setting the modern NATO standard for the true blue-water "frigate" classification. However, both the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, the Royal Navy´s Daring-class destroyers and the US Navy´s Ticonderoga-class cruisers all miserably fail to meet this criteria and hence do not deserve the classification "frigates" or even "cruisers". They are merely lesser valued green-water semi-coastal destroyers. Apparently the range of the Zumwalt-class is a still kept secret, so perhaps the Zumwalt is a fully modern blue-water frigate or cruiser, or maybe it´s simply a lesser-valued green-water semi-coastal destroyer like the useless Arleigh Burke-class destroyers with their inadequate range of just 6.000 nautical miles. Who knows.

@everettputerbaugh3996 8 ай бұрын

Technically speaking, the original class name was " torpedo boat destroyer" and the purposes have grown from that original job. With the DDG-1000s running on CNG, they are less polluting than the diesel burners (and especially the remaining ships that burn bunker fuel (essentially asphalt)), but that does complicate the logistics for the fleet. And, yes, they were over built with the intent of future proofing them.

@theblackhand6485 8 ай бұрын

One thing that comes up in my mind is the German heavy panzer 'Maus'. And they even designed an even heavier tank. The shape of this ship and her destiny sounds really like those panzers.

@saulbecerra5830 8 ай бұрын

I saw the zumwalt finally the other day in SD it looks unreal to see in person 😅

@MrKingleonitus 9 ай бұрын

Honestly, even though I don’t think it would be great for a carrier strike group, a ship like this would have been a great addition for a MEU.

@haydnw869 9 ай бұрын

I find it very interesting the modern and especially next gen navy ships are gonna turn out almost exactly like the starships from Star Trek just on water. I mean they’ll have directed energy weapons (phasers) for within visual range point defence like anti missile/drone attacks etc and missiles (photon torpedo) for Beyond visual range engagements Maybe throw in some stealth tech to lower radar cross-section and massive radar arrays and boom a ship scotty can be proud of.

@user-McGiver 9 ай бұрын

and one of those ''thermal shields'' to make it look like a whale... or a... ''sea dragon'' [WTF...?] lol

@Mrtonyelvis 2 ай бұрын

21:42 “It’s continuous to fail it’s way to success” 😮‍💨

@1968jitbag 4 ай бұрын

That Gumby minigun shirt is feckin' great

@scotnommensen9576 9 ай бұрын

I wonder (and I'm guessing I am nowhere near the first person to ask this) if it's defensive deficiencies could be enhanced with high energy weapons you covered a little while ago. All that electricity it generates could be put to good use 👍

@tomriley5790 9 ай бұрын

Often ships are built too small for what they're later asked to do, or you get left with a ship that's out of date. I suspect that alot of the development that went into the Zumwalt project will be used in the next generation of ships, similar to the Seawolf class and the Virginia Class. The knowledge and skills from the development of these ships systems doesn't go away and with a few years for technology to generally get better and cheaper. The other pros and cons are how close your ship needs to get to the enemy - as we've found in Ukraine bringing ships close to a hostile shore is dangerous.I wonder if they could get BAe/Locheed martin to produce some dumb 155mm shells for the Zuamwalt - that fit the guns but aren't GPS guided etc.

@goldenhate6649 7 ай бұрын

The issue isn't that the munitions are smart, ironically that's the cheap part as that tech is old as hell now. The expensive part is the production facility. Without a reasonable demand for rounds of the specialized 155, it will be roughly the same 1 million dollar cost.