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Teaching English in Vietnam: Pros and Cons of Working for EMG Education
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Күн бұрынI go in depth about the pros and cons of working for EMG Education as an english teacher in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. As an expat I teach English in Vietnam throughout the public school system in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). This is based on my experience working for this company in 2021 from February-June.
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00:00 Intro
00:21 Pros - Salary
01:27 Pros - Entrance during pandemic
02:06 Pros - No lesson planning
02:55 Pros - Free Lunches
03:20 Cons - Pay for your flights and quarantine
04:54 Cons - Mandatory Office hours
05:46 Cons - Unfair schedules
07:27 Cons - They blacklist you
11:05 Conclusion
@m.jessica8742 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh, THANK YOU so much for putting this out there. You probably saved me and many other people a lot of issues.
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!! So glad I could help!
@metalrow 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative, we’ve been looking for this kind of detailed explanation
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@Callyinchina 2 жыл бұрын
Omg these stories are terrifying. I just received an email about having an interview and thankfully I watched your video before confirming this interview. Thank you!
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I could help!
@powerenglishteacherrecruit1159 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative video!
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@davesloan4848 Жыл бұрын
I have an interview with them today! Glad I found your video. Sounds a lot like English First (EF) in China, and many other illegal schools running there. Now I've got some questions to ask them.
@SheRunTheWorld Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help! I worked at EF China too 😂 had a much better experience there then with EMG! Lol
@dieketsengkeiso56 Жыл бұрын
Hi. How did your interview go and did you ask them Some of these things? I have my interview with them Next week
@ameliastone5675 3 жыл бұрын
thank you this was so helpful! during the hours you have to stay in the office, are you able to get on with other things? watching stuff, blogging etc? Also, when they 'blacklist' you would that impact being able to come back in later just as a tourist/on a tourist visa, or is it just preventing you for working in vietnam in the future?
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad! Yeah you can but they don’t have WiFi there & all “fun” websites are blocked on work computers. Yeah so I believe the “ban period” is 5 years- so during that time you won’t be granted entry into Vietnam or be issued a visa of any kind 🥺
@05couslandm 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the really helpful review! I was wondering how the coronavirus situation has affected every day life in Ho Chi Minh, what the lockdown situation is like and whether you would consider now as a good time moving to Ho chi Minh? Thanks again for the info x
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
No problem! It’s actually a terrible time to move there- I wouldn’t recommend it at all. I left because of how bad the lockdowns are & most of my friends did too. No food delivery, no going to markets without papers, no going on walks, no shops open. Also, most companies are cutting people’s wages or not paying them at all.😢
@05couslandm 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld Thank you so much for your insight! I've been offered a teaching role in Ho Chi Minh and as much as I've been wanting to go to Vietnam for years, I wouldn't want to move there and not be able to meet people and socialise in a really strict lockdown 😔😒
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@05couslandm yeah I’d wait until things get better! It truly is such an amazing city to live in- and you won’t have a good experience if you move there during a strict lockdown☹️
@trishgreen9575 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for taking the time to do this video!. It was very helpful to me in my job hunt as a newly qualified TEFL teacher. Are there companies or schools in Vietnam which you or your friends DO recommend? International schools would be out as my degree is not in teaching.
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome, I’m glad you found it helpful. Honestly the only good things I heard from fellow TEFL teachers in HCMC were at international schools. So maybe you could find a smaller company that’s not APAX or EMG that’ll treat you better?! I’m sorry I couldn’t be of more help
@trishgreen9575 2 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld Thank you! I appreciate your reply.😊
@powerenglishteacherrecruit1159 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Trish Green, I’m Truc from Power English, we are a smaller company also woking with public schools in Ho Chi Minh city. If you are interested in working with us, please don’t hesitate to contact me. Have a nice day!
@sinazocita1350 2 жыл бұрын
@@powerenglishteacherrecruit1159 hello am interested in coming to Vietnam and teach
@seemahussain5850 9 ай бұрын
@@powerenglishteacherrecruit11590:10
@krishnarraj186 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you this was so helpful. Also can you post a video on individual income tax and any tax exemption like house rent ?
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad you found it helpful! I don’t know enough about it to make a full video- but as a foreigner you will be taxed 20% for your first 6 months working in Vietnam. After 6 months it’s lowered down to 12-13%
@leo100784 2 жыл бұрын
Tax 20%? Wow, why would they be taxing anyone? They are not offering social security or medical benefits long run so I dont know the reason behind taxing? I can understand the taxes in the states but for vietnam, that seems absurd.
@lurk_diggler 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for the useful info. I am probably going to Vietnam later this year to teach. I'm wondering how it is getting your money out when you leave. Is it relatively easy to transfer to an account back home? Are there crazy fees? Etc. Thanks ahead.
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! You’re welcome! So I know it’s a lot cheaper to do a bank transfer directly at the bank- there’s a ton of paperwork to fill out for that. I did it by PayPal because I left in a hurry, so that was quite expensive with a 10% fee. But also very easy and got my money in a few minutes!
@lurk_diggler 2 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld So one can connect their Vietnamese bank account to Paypal?
@katelankester3446 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you this was so helpful! I was wondering as you didn't extend your contract with them, how did you not get blacklisted?
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
I did I’m sure 😂 you don’t get notified when you’re on the blacklist, but they automatically do it to everyone who leaves them
@katelankester3446 2 жыл бұрын
Oh no hahha, so you only did the first 2 months of the contract? Did they make you pay the fine too?
@mish01116 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there , thank you for this video its really helpfull....is vietnam currently open , boarders and school ?
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
No problem! Glad I could help. It’s not open for tourists, but if you’re hired by a company they can sponsor you and get you in the country. Teachers are currently teaching online, they say schools will re-open around January/February. But nothing is concrete
@charleswheeler3418 3 жыл бұрын
Hiya. I just left Vietnam because lost my income several times in 1yr. But one other reason I left is because of the new decree that states that you must have 5yrs of checkable teaching experience outside of Vietnam. Do you have this? If not, is that not an issue working with this company? For 40tr per month and not having to worry about the visa issues, I would gladly work full time for them.
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the laws are changing in VN. I don’t think EMG requires this- as far as I know at least. Most people there have never taught before
@KineticCanuck Жыл бұрын
I was just offered a position by them, and I'm really glad I came across this video. Just wondering, did they do this to you too? By the sound of it, they just send off a giant list of anyone not re-signing....so basically anyone who's ever worked for them but doesn't work for them now gets black listed? And in some cases, even if they DO still work for EMG? That's so crazy...
@SheRunTheWorld Жыл бұрын
As far as I know- yes I’m blacklisted because I left! I wasn’t notified or anything- but you’d only know if you tried to come back to Vietnam. And yup if you don’t resign you get blacklisted- so you either resign, or leave Vietnam! It’s pretty insane 😳😳
@KineticCanuck Жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld wow! Thank you SO MUCH for making this video! Really appreciate it!
@keshavfulbrook6698 2 жыл бұрын
Does the blacklist apply to tourist visas as well? Say I stay for a year then don't resign and the passport gets on the list, but I may want to visit as a tourist in the future. Would one be denied a tourist visa in the future? Thanks.
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m pretty sure once you’re placed on the blacklist you can’t return to vietnam for any reason. But I did hear that the blacklist only lasts 5 years?! Or you can get a new passport with a new number and come back. Not sure if either option would really work- but I’m hoping I can return in the future to travel around
@Greg-uq8ng 3 жыл бұрын
This honest information is so rare to find on youtube! How did you manage to escape the black list?
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad! Oh I’m sure I’m on it…. 😂 they don’t notify you when you’re placed on it
@Greg-uq8ng 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld wow. So shady. Good luck with your plans. I also here stories of immigration at the airport giving large fines to out bound foreigners.
@manashyamaharaj7706 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld 😅
@charleswheeler3418 3 жыл бұрын
If you were blacklisted you would have been pulled up at the immigration as you went through on your way out
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@charleswheeler3418 I know, but my company didn’t know I was leaving. So I’m sure now that they know I’ve left, they’ve blacklisted me so I can’t return
@ahmetkeremcelik4164 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Could you give some information about ACT exam courses in Vietnam. Is ACT prep is something peculiar to EMG. Please this is important to me!
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
No EMG doesn’t do anything related to ACT prep. EMG only teaches in Vietnamese public schools
@EndlessTravels 2 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld They do some of these PREP test in the side, well they did back in 2020 They had it in a small office near the Science department (Where I was working) For the OP, its just a random thing they do with sign ups. I've personally never seen the certifications but have seen them doing the testing
@Mansplainer452 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there. Thanks for this video. I have an interview with them tomorrow and am now in two minds. Haha. Are you perhaps still working there? And would you recommend VN at this current time? Thanks in advance for any response
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
No problem! I’m not- I left July 2021 so I’m not sure about the current VN life. I know in HCMC most places (restaurants, bars etc) are open- but not sure what the protocols are (vaccine cards, masks etc) I’m sorry- best of luck!
@Mansplainer452 2 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld Thank you so much. I'll go through the interview process and make my mind up once I have more info. All of the best as well😊❤
@setokaiba2351 Жыл бұрын
@@Mansplainer452 did you ever take the job?
@Mansplainer452 Жыл бұрын
@@setokaiba2351 Hey hey. Yeah. I've been here for 2 months now. It's actually quite a good company and Vietnam is a good place for expats. You want me to put in a word for you?
@Seshbethinja Жыл бұрын
@@Mansplainer452How are you finding the working hours?
@spicykimchi1 2 жыл бұрын
Holy crap! I finally watched this whole video. For the last week, I've watched the first few minutes a few times, because I usually have to get up and do things. So right now, I got to the part where you mention the whole blacklisting part. Yikes!
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha yeah it’s pretty insane!!
@ahmetkeremcelik4164 2 жыл бұрын
Could you tell me what are the subjects that they teach in EMG? I mean do they teach math, biology, chemistry, history.... Also if you answers this I will be so happy (again). So please!
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah they do English, math and science. So depending on the grade level will depend on what type of math and science- but pretty much all of it. No history tho! And they teach all primary and secondary grade levels
@actuallicensedteacher1846 3 жыл бұрын
EMG is a great stepping stone for those who, for whatever reason, didn't acquire their stateside US teaching license, PGCE, etc. prior to moving abroad. You can knock out a couple years of experience whilst finishing your post-graduate certs and then apply to bilingual academies and/or third-tier internationals schools and off you are! I worked there and totally left without being blacklisted. A colleague of mine, a licensed educator from Canada, was also able to satisfy the terms of his contract without being blacklisted. However, I can confirm that several other teacher friends of mine were indeed blacklisted. So I suppose it's a bit random.
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think because of Covid more people are getting blacklisted than not. But ya, everyone’s experience is different!
@keshavfulbrook6698 2 жыл бұрын
Last question: did you or anyone else you knew have problems getting paid or getting paid on time as is common with some ESL gigs?
@mushu69 2 жыл бұрын
EMG does pay on time, one of the Pros. Maybe near the end of the day, which makes some people nervous.
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
We always got paid- no issues there!
@Etceterotic 3 жыл бұрын
I got an email from EMG Education asking me to teach there (researching this school is how I found your channel). It looks like they ask for your passport up front, so I wonder if they blacklist anyone who applies but ultimately decides to take another job in Vietnam. 🤔 That’s so messy…yikes. I’m grateful I didn’t respond to that email.
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I don’t know, but I wouldn’t doubt it!😅
@Etceterotic 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld I definitely do not want to find out. Thank you so much for the great information you provide on your channel by the way! Your content overall is engaging, informative, down-to-earth. I appreciate the fact that you never sugarcoat these TEFL jobs.
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@Etceterotic Aw thank you so much, that means a lot to me! Thanks for watching :)
@journeywithed2200 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt they blacklist you for sending your passport, sending passport is normal you need to prove your ID. Once your sign the contract and do something they don't like is when they probably mess you about.
@lizwall5230 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the video! The salaries you mentioned are gross or net? Thanks :)
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
Before taxes! And the first 6 months you’re in Vietnam you get taxed 20%, after that it’s around 13% I believe
@journeywithed2200 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld Why does tax change after one year, surely it should be the same throughout
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@journeywithed2200 it changes after 6 months- not sure why!
@ahmetkeremcelik4164 2 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld So , the net salary is around 1600 USD right?
@chrisnghiep3437 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question so you will live in Vietnam 1 more year then you go back to America?
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
No I left already! I lived there for 6 months (Jan-July 2021) now I’m traveling
@plisa5718 Жыл бұрын
Which Visa did you get as EMG said first it's a business visa then after work permit you will get work visa I am not comfortable with that, why not work visa from the start?
@SheRunTheWorld Жыл бұрын
Yeah I think it was the same situation for me. And I’m honestly not sure- maybe it takes longer for the work visa & they want you to start teaching right away
@plisa5718 Жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld how long did it take for them to change the business visa to work visa, meaning months? I don't want to renew the contract with them end of May. Taking the tips highlighted on the video. I want to live Vietnam for Japan (I will tell them I am going back home) Thank you so much for the response
@luongdodat 2 жыл бұрын
Could you please share to us about: why the parents can not contact with teachers directly? why Vietnamese supporters always follow the teachers? And Why the teacher can not come to school directly but have to go by taxi with VNese supporters?
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure why parents can’t contact teachers directly. We have Vietnamese AC’s that help us in class with the language barrier. We’re allowed to go to the school directly by your own motorbike or by taxi with our AC’s
@mushu69 2 жыл бұрын
This video is legit, I am still a teacher at EMG and I can honestly say I've watched EMG f*&# up other people's careers in VN. It's a powerful company, so most people are too scared to say anything on the Vietnamese side.
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s sad how many people they’ve done it to :( but I’m glad you’re happy there!
@andrewscoggins4747 5 ай бұрын
My former comments i really have to take back..Things ended peacefully with the boss and my coworker.and scheduling are just amazing
@SheRunTheWorld 5 ай бұрын
I’m glad it turned out ok for you! :)
@setokaiba2351 Жыл бұрын
I got an offer for them. thanks for this
@SheRunTheWorld Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@EndlessTravels 2 жыл бұрын
EMG black listing is crazy, I never heard this before but the story you told, that is very Vietnamese like to do. This is one thing about the culture sadly most don't know stepping in to Vietnam. At the end of the day its about "Me" and snitching to the gov will give my uncle respect in the hood...(Something like that ha ha) Glad y'al made it out okay, I was there years ago as a Stem teacher, never had any problems I also tell schools when I leave that im going back home, I NEVER say im moving up or to another. EMG if this is true what they doing are NOT the only ones, I've seen it happen in Can Tho public schools as well... Just a culture thing really
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly good to know. It was really disappointing to learn this because we loved living in vietnam- but this experience with EMG left a sour taste in our mouths for sure
@EndlessTravels 2 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld You said its you and your boyfriend, consider checking out the job postings online for other jobs. Crazy as it sounds if you guys know anything about IT, marketing, or consulting you can 100% get out of teaching and go that route and not deal with this stuff. Teaching in Vietnam..its just well its errrr...if its not the chaos of class rooms its the politics of ego driven owners. The owner of EMG, not sure if you meet her or not, she well is very well connected so yeah it can get nasty in there I could image >
@ahmetkeremcelik4164 2 жыл бұрын
Was getting work permit hard? Because a guy told me that the real problem is getting work permit.
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
EMG helped with it, so not sure how hard it is
@BarryJOfficial Жыл бұрын
Hello, EMG email leads me here. 🙂 Do they take away your passport with you? when you arrive at their office?
@SheRunTheWorld Жыл бұрын
Yes they take it! You have to ask for it back or else they just keep holding on to it
@BarryJOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld So they will ask your passport just for visa purposes right? Because if they will take the passport and keep it, then its illegal and violates workers.
@CNCCONTAINER 3 жыл бұрын
hi miss Britany it's me Ruby
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ruby! ☺️
@manashyamaharaj7706 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this 🤗❤️ are you going back to LA?
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in Turkey now 😀
@manashyamaharaj7706 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld luckyyyy!! Also teaching?
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@manashyamaharaj7706 just traveling for now! Eventually I hope to online teach and continue traveling
@manashyamaharaj7706 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld I'm so happy for you ❤️❤️🤗🤗
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@manashyamaharaj7706 thank you☺️
@ahmetkeremcelik4164 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Can a non native speaker work in EMG as an English teacher?
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had several co-workers that weren’t native speakers! You just have to prove that your English is up to par for teaching- not sure if it’s a test or not
@ahmetkeremcelik4164 2 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld Thanks for your answer. Also I would like to ask for your advice. As a non native ( I am from Turkey) which schools should I apply for do you any idea?
@ahmetkeremcelik4164 2 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld Also I wonder How many hours were you working in EMG per week because I am working 50 hours per week in Turkey as a teacher?
@amerikadaemeklilik 2 жыл бұрын
@@ahmetkeremcelik4164 You will not usually work on weekends. But during the week expect 50 to 60 hours a week. Even if you have nothing to teach, you are forced to sit at the office and wait. You check out early, you wont get paid that day
@MrFooFighter13 2 жыл бұрын
DO NOT WORK FOR EMG! This video should be enough, but I have heard loads of bad things about them. And the pay isn't that good per hour. You're essentially being paid to be stuck in a office for 5 days a week. Sure if you're only gonna live in VN for one year and go out drinking every night, maybe it's halfway doable. But otherwise, don't do it to yourself!
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree!
@EndlessTravels 2 жыл бұрын
I NEVER understood why Vietnam does double classes or even 60+ minute classes, it is a complete waste of time no matter how serious the classes are. After 45 minutes people are done, tired, or need a massive change up. Out of all of SE Asia Vietnam is the only one I have seen do this for English, science and what not I get because of labs and other things but English..... Plus these kids goto renters for 10+ years....it apparently isn't working.... lol
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
I agree! The double classes are insane
@journeywithed2200 3 жыл бұрын
No one in their right mind would come to Vietnam right now to work as a teacher. Sad to say. 21 day Quarantine, flights, mandatory vaccines, one month to be paid, not knowing when things will open, no tourism, no travel atm, risk of it being opened and closing again. Schools not knowing when they will open or how many hours they can give, if even they can guarantee anything.
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree! It’s really not the time to be going there unfortunately. Everyone I know that was living there has either left or is in the process of leaving
@journeywithed2200 3 жыл бұрын
@@SheRunTheWorld with it constantly open and closing and being unstable I think others would prefer to select other destinations. Or just go back home. I'm slightly thinking the same too. But i'll wait a couple more weeks and find out what's happening
@SheRunTheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@journeywithed2200 yeah I agree! I think it’s best to get out of there ASAP and get somewhere that’s more stable
@JohnJohnson-nb9bm 2 жыл бұрын
EMG is a total mess for many reasons. The bigger issue is whether any foreign teachers will do anything other than pity the Vietnamese and make excuses. If you're a foreigner and lied to about a contract, somehow it's your fault and you shouldn't even speak out because it's not your country. Look at all the Vietnamese who are manipulated by employers too. I'm glad you're making this video, but I wonder how many other of the foreign teachers just see this and roll their eyes. As long as the narrative is controlled by the employer, it doesn't matter what they do because it will all be forgotten.
@SheRunTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s a really unfortunate situation that im glad im not in anymore!
@Louis-dk2mj Жыл бұрын
They’re a shitty company, but to be honest I never knew of anyone personally getting blacklisted. You must have seen some of the people hired to work there, some pretty unstable people will get hired. As far as your case you breached a contract while this company was sponsoring you to stay in the country, i dont like emg, but i would blacklist teachers that pull "runners"
@SheRunTheWorld Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@Jackaljkljkl Жыл бұрын
These kinds of "must stay in the office while doing nothing" teaching jobs are perfect for those who are also Digital Nomads. Spend that office time doing your freelance programming, website design, copywriting - but maybe not online teaching, which would be too obvious - to both cover your ongoing visa sitation and bring in two salaries. Perfect. The blacklisting thing maybe isn't so perfect, though. Maybe just do your two years with a good salary(s) and then GTFO of the country. If you are a fully-licenced teacher, obviously don't sign with them in the first place. That seems quite clear from the two anecdotes in the video.
@SheRunTheWorld Жыл бұрын
Ya if international schools were sponsoring visas during covid I would’ve gone that route for sure! But good point about the digital nomad thing :)
@_BachTuanSang 9 ай бұрын
work with them if you are desperate for money, unethical system, mistreat people like slaves - from ex-teaching assistant
@SheRunTheWorld 9 ай бұрын
Agreed!
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