What do you mean, out of curiosity?

@@JCSuperstar777 It was meant sarcastically. lol

Spoken like a true urbanist

also needs 7 elevens for weapons

She literally did though u just can’t use it.

That part

Alcohol.

And I thought I was seeing things😂

making 4 icecream flavors of ganon in BOTW and people buying it in record numbers, that's what told Nintendo it was Okay to make TOTK the way they did.

@@WeeG-bwc77lemon flavored Ganon was the best. I unintentionally made it the hardest by doing it the last my first go .

It's good to see people getting over the honeymoon phase with Totk or just straight being able to think a bit. Your complaints are so true and valid, because you only need to use your brain for like 5 minutes to think a handful of problems this game has, yet most people don't even try to think about it critically, because it's Zelda and the sequel to Botw and it has to be the best game ever. I fully agree with you, except for Twilight Princess, which i didn't play yet

​@blackdust7353, owner and player of every Zelda game here, Tears of the Kingdom is the most disappointed I've been with any Nintendo game, ever. It would be different if this game had a 2 year development cycle and they were like, "hey look this is just a BotW remix you guys can play while we work on the next main game (and I know covid most likely delayed development), but that's not what happened. TotK had the longest development time of any other Zelda game and the highest ever price tag. All of the complaints that have been brought up are valid as far as I'm concerned, but for me it's even worse. The game is flat out ugly to me. Fused weapons that aren't esthetically compatible look so stupid. A giant Boulder on the tip of a sword? A spear fused to a claymore? It looks dumb. The surface looks dumb covered in giant hieroglyphics. The casms are ugly. The esthetics of the zonai is a million times worse than the sheikah to me. The original shrines were far more visually appealing than whatever the hell they were going for in TotK. Horns look awkward and mostly unnatural on enemies. It's all a mess.

@@kevintown311 Hey, i'm completly with you there man. I hate Totk for what it is so much, that i don't even think i'll ever play it again. There is so much wrong with it, that i'm confused on how so many people can defend it. One of the arguments once was "the game feels so alive. Just stand in a town and you'll see." That was in Botw already, Genshin has this, Red Dead Redemption definitly has this and Monster Hunter World, although not even an open world game, is the most alive game i have ever played. If Botw had not existed and Totk was the first and only Zelda in this kind of style, i think it wouldn't even be a big issue. But the fact that this game is basically Botw all over again with at least 70% of the games world, mechanics, etc copied over, how in tha living fuck did this game take them 6 years? Surely fuse and ultrahand, although impressive, didn't take that long to implement, the depths are yawning emptieness as well as the sky, Dungeons are just Divine Beasts in a different coat of paint and i guess there are few differences on the surface like the lava around Eldin being gone. The story surely didn't take that much time. Enemies doubled in their amount, but all of them feel weak to just shooting an arrow. There is no new weapon category?? I would live to know where all the development time was invested in, because i still think Totk would have been better just staying and releasing as the dlc idea they had. Make it two dlcs for depths and sky and you're done

Couldn't agree more with all what you guys say, TOTK is a mess, boring, uninspired, overpriced DLC like game which is way way way waaaaay worse than BOTW (maybe wouldn't be if BOTW didn't exist, but it did), I haven't finished TOTK because I hate the Ultrahand, it annoyed me too much to keep playing it. Performance is also crazy bad, I really don't know what they did 6 years (sure the physics are impressive but more a useless and for many players distracting because u are forced to use it all the time) but what else ? BOTW was started by zero, gosh they even made their own engine for it, and from the first day to release it took less time than TOTK took 😮 I wasn't expecting the best Zelda nor something significantly better than BOTW but mannnnn for me TOTK is a 8/10 but TOTK isn't even a 5 😅

you and me brother

Yeah, it's certainly no Half-life 2. That game had a fancy physics system AND a proper story campaign on top of that. Valve didn't abandon what Half-life 1 was about just to create Gary's Mod.

This is actually a really fair point, but I think the new mechanics have to do with the whole point of the game. There is almost never an "Intended solution" Your free to be creative, to build, to do whatever you see fit. You aren't required to use all these new mechanics all the time, its more of just an option. If you do decide to use it, its there for you to fool around with. Although some mechanics seem a bit out of place when it comes to the game, Its up to YOU how to figure out how to make it fit, to experiment, and do what you want when you see fit. Id say the shrines utilize this quite well, as they let the player choose. You could make an advanced contraption to press a button, or just shoot a bomb flower at it. They aren't stopping you.

​@@OChunks I do agree that the new mechanics do complement the developers' intentions of making a very free-form do-whatever-you-want kind of adventure game, and I do think a really compelling game could be designed around that (the shrines really give glimpses of that kind of game's potential). However, when you implement that kind of extreme freedom in a game with objectives and obstacles of traversal, you start butting up on the whole "dominant strategy" conundrum, that pesky little issue deeply rooted in our psychology where players tend to optimize the fun out of a game when given the opportunity, and oh boy does TotK give players a buffet of just those opportunities. What makes games interesting, challenging, and compelling (to me, at least) are their boundaries, specifically what you CAN'T do, and working around those boundaries with your limited range of choices to complete an objective. The broader and less defined those boundaries are, the more a game starts approaching sandbox territory. Sandboxes can be loads of fun, but they in and of themselves are not games by definition, as they have no rules, goals, scores, or objectives (beyond what the ones playing in it set for themselves). This is why I implied TotK has an incoherent design philosophy. As mentioned in the video, it's like it doesn't know if it wants to be a sandbox or an adventure game. On the one hand, like its predecessor it has objectives and it has obstacles between you and those objectives, but on top of that it also has these sandbox mechanics that can trivialize many of those obstacles, often to an absurd degree. For example, why take the time to traverse this string of sky islands to get to the temple when I can just build a hover bike out of two fans and a steering stick and just fly over it? Why take the time to solve this intricately designed shrine puzzle when I can just use a rocket shield to blast over it? Most all of these obstacles are presented as though they have an intended solution, but then make those solutions obsolete with its sandbox mechanics... so why even suggest any solution at all? Personally, I rarely ever felt clever or creative when "solving" these puzzles like this, I felt like I cheated or that I was exploiting a design flaw or developer oversight. And deliberately keeping myself from just going the easy route is not exactly fun, either. We as humans are wired to do what we need to do as efficiently and succinctly as possible, which is why we tend to optimize the fun out of games when we discover exploits or glitches. The primary role of the game designer, I'd argue, is to balance a game to ensure that one choice isn't objectively better than another, or if it is then it needs to come at some cost (such as being expensive or difficult to pull off). Maybe this is one reason why many people (myself included) felt underwhelmed by TotK - those of us that see it more as trying to be a structured game find that the sandbox elements, while fun in and of themselves, hinder its challenge as a game, trivializing obstacles and puzzles that would otherwise be fun and engaging. I could go on and on, but I'll just stop there. This game is so baffling in so many ways, it's actually kinda fascinating. I love to pick it apart and try figuring out what the thought processes were behind it. Tl;dr - Sandbox freedom tends not to mesh well with structured objective/obstacle based game design, and TotK tires to be both.

Well, whatever floats your boat. Its not a game without flaws, I just personally don't mind those flaws.

@@user-hz1mq4qf5b For the most part I don't mind them either, oddly enough (I say having sunk 160+ hours into it so far). That rambling was mostly from an analytical game design perspective, and isn't even my biggest gripe with the game.

same, why would they do this

well the game does tell you that there is an order to the memories in the forgotten temple, I also watched some memories out of order because I'm dumb and I didn't pay attention to the dialogue perhaps they could have locked the memories in order regardless of the geoglyph you found

I found it interesting. I was like "Oh shit, who's this dead bitch? Was she important? Now I want to know more about the story!" it was pretty funny though, having the first thing I see of her being her lifeless body

"You didn't pay attention? Fine, we'll ruin the story for you." That's NOT how you make a game dude 😂

​@@coloradodafronteirathe game is literally an open world game, I shouldn't get my game ruined just because I explored a certain area after another one, that's dumb

Fire!!🔥😂

@@OnlyTwoShoes "But...but the world is completly different with new stuff to explore and find everywhere!" No joke, this a good one

I totally agree with you. When I first started the game, I was waiting for ANYONE to mention like, where did the Sheikah towers go? Where are the guardians, Divine Beasts? Why does it suddenly feel like none of the Champions from the last game matter at all, even though they had so much time dedicated to them before? It feels like a weird parallel universe to BoTW. To me, it feels like ToTK retcons a lot of things in BOTW... if Zelda was sealed as a dragon for 1000s of years, how was she also sealing the Calamity for so long? Maybe there can be two Zelda's in one time line, but having time travel makes it so complicated.

First off, are we criticizing the marketing or the game? Then, saying no one remembers link is blatantly false. Yes, not everyone does, but there is no guarantee they met him in the first place. Even then, it’s common practice to leave details behind to better welcome the newcomers. Honestly if your problem is “where did Sheikah towers go”, you’re admitting the game is a 10/10

@56ty_ I suppose I am criticizing the marketing and not the game. Your explanation on why people may or may not remember Link makes complete sense. The game is still ultimately really good in most aspects; I just unfortunately happened to sour my own experience for it with what I expected. I'm thinking of picking it back up again soon, though, so that I can appreciate it for what it is

@@CrimWare honestly I’m sorry, I know how that feels I’ve had the same experience. Let the marketing and the expectations ruin the game for me at first. It’s very difficult to leave botw behind, it’s unique feeling and mechanics. But once you do you can judge totk for what it’s actually trying to do. It doesn’t guarantee you’ll like it, but at least you’ll have a more honest opinion of it.

It seems like way too much time passed to make "Where did the DBs go?" a relevant question. I thought that the game would play a year after, but then I met that Gerudo girl in Tarry Town and she's like at least 5. People have likely forgotten what it was like with the DBs around by now.

At least Hyrule doesn't look like a video game level. It feels like realistic world precisely because not every square meter is dedicated to gameplay.

@@BrianStorm742 That would be fine... If The Legend of Zelda wasn't a game franchise. If I'm buying a game, it's for gameplay.

@@challengerjakku1943 exploration is also a kind of gameplay. I'm personally way more put off by for example Genshin Impact's Teyvat, which is an immersion-breaking mishmash of puzzles and challenges that never lets the environment be.

Spot on. I'm nowhere near finishing BOTW, and have no intention. The Great Plateau I enjoyed but after that it diminished quickly, is its the same thing spaced out with repetitive encounters. I like it some ways, but it turned out to be a time waster more than anything. And TOTK, is just much more of it.

There being space in-between is the point. If Link manages to run away from a Guardian he doesn't necessarily walk into the next encounter.

I used to say that I don't have a strong preference either way when it comes to linear or non-linear games, but with the recent trend being non-linear games full to the brim with mediocre content my mind is changing. I still think that a non-linear game can be really good, but now if I see a game being marketed as non-linear I am more likely to assume that it has low quality content.

@@robertgamer3112 There are some really genuinely great non-linear open game experiences out there...but unfortunately most of them don't seem to be interested in being more than a collection of random side activities. So it's hard to get excited about anything claiming to be open-world now, since so much of the time i'm disappointed.

​@@ZeroKitsune I dont like when games striaght up block you from going out of order. But it should have areas you cant get to without certain items, things you need to advance the storyline. OOT did this pretty well. There's a clear intended order but you do have a lot of flexibility in where you go. Just not everything is available right at the start. The fact that you visit Kakariko Village multiple times but there are different things to do at different points in the game.

​@@KnightmessengerWatch 'beating Majora's Mask in a single cycle " here on KZfaq and you will see how open MM actually is, in fact i'd say that MM is not very linear at all too.

@nonewingedren4303 and the sidequests are actually rewarding. They dont give you 1 of 921 metal pieces that can be added to one of 2,397 different weapons, so it lasts 2 hits longer before breaking. Or some random fruit that recovers half a heart.

That is the best comparison I've ever read! ^^ thank you! It feels like they released super Mario Galaxy again, but with green stars. Nintendo used to release completed games in the distant past. Now, so many games feel like unfinished... BotW and Totk should be ONE game instead of two. They really made us pay 155$ dollars (DLC included) for one experience.

@@SailorCheryl I've got a better comparison. Tears of the Kingdom is basically Breath of the Wild Second Quest

@@hist150project5 also good one, but isnt a second quest always harder? :p Totk was even easier than BotW

Apples to oranges, and fundamentally different game design/philosophy. SMG2 and Majora’s Mask for Zelda could NOT have gotten away with the very same maps because the areas are far more constrained. For TOTK they instead had to change the game experience more than the layout, but even then I’d say the physical differences really do add up over time, particularly with the landmarks in my opinion.

@@cheke__hs Actually I think it's the other way around. The old Zelda games could get away with reusing the map more because they were less about raw exploration and more about quests, dungeons, and puzzle solving, usually wih the overworld feeling like a giant interconnected puzzle. That's why A Link Between Worlds was able to reuse the map of A Link to the Past and still feel like a fresh game. The story is different, the dungeons are different, all the puzzles are different, even though the general structure of the world is the same as A Link to the Past it feels like a different map because the structure of the interconnected puzzle is completely different (and stuff like the renting system and wall merging really changes things). BotW, however, is less about the interconnected puzzle design (the world is hardly a puzzle at all given the ability to climb anywhere) and is much more about raw exploration and not knowing what to expect when exploring the unknown. This kind of design is seriously harmed by reusing the map. Tears of the kingdom mostly felt like replaying BotW to me because I already explored this world. Nothing is a mystery anymore, I know what lies in every part of the map. Sure the shrines/dungeons, quests, and story are all different from BotW, but honestly all that content in both games is pretty poor, especially compared to old Zelda games. What made BotW interesting was the exploration. which is almost completely absent in TotK (yes the sky islands and depths are new, but the depths is an extremely empty wasteland with the same exact topography as Hyrule but inverted, and the sky islands are so small and sparse and the best one is literally the tutorial).

It's ridiculous how lazy they were with totk. It's easily the worst 3d zelda

The fact that you said the fact that shows the fact that you didn’t really need to say the fact that

​@@menstesticles lAzY.

@@NuiYabuko they were. No effort was made to fix a lot of botws problems like the healing system. No effort was made to make the dungeons better, they are still bland with no interesting puzzles in them. The new caves and depths are lacking variety in terms of biomes and actual things to do. The sky is way too empty and has too many repeat crystal shrine transport challenges. The tutorial island is one of the few interesting places but as a tutorial, it feels more dragged and aimless than the great plateau did The increased number of shrines only worsens the issue of puzzles being spread thin and being too short. The reused overworld means exploration is way less interesting as you already know the layout of the world and there are only a few large changes. The enemy variety issue is still very prominent and throughout the game you fight the same bokoblins and lizalfos just like botw. The new enemy types are only found in specific locations so they aren't enough at all. The story is probably the worst of any mainline zelda with very weak character motivation (especially zelda and ganon) and lack of continuity with the previous game, specifically the fact that nearly everyone doesn't recognise link, even people that you're required to meet in that game. A very specific issue that everyone points out is the repeated cutscene after every dungeon which was an awful decision. Another issue is one that it shares with botw that I didn't realistically expect them to fix was the voice acting which makes me actively cringe while watching it and is the primary reason I instantly change the language to Japanese. The new abilities is probably the best aspect of the game but I wish they had a new world or new areas that could take advantage of them properly.

I can forgive Age of Calamity because it was basically an indie developer and a non-canon story. But TOTK dropping the ball in all the ways it does is unforgivable. They had 6 YEARS and didn’t have to create the map nor the engine for gods sake! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

To be honest I think at this point I would have totally rather taken age of calamity to have been parallel timeline connected in continuity with tears it would have given us some of a more interesting twist then what ever the F actual tears of the bore snooze 😴 for non fans gave us ugh 😑

Dude From Soft released both Sekiro and Elden Ring, both GoTYs. And to top it off, the released Armored Core 3 months after ToTK, so about 3 whole @$$ games. Edit: Capcom has had about a billion releases. Valve released their own portable console with a bottom load of games released. Like, 2 Final Fantasy mainline games and a dozen spin offs came out. Cyberpunk: launched, tanked, and got fixed in the meantime. I don't even know where to start! Nintendo's Zelda team are slow, and don't know how to make a proper Zelda game anymore. And yes, slow!! Not meticulous, not focusing on a "finished" product, just sluggish. Because what's the point if a game is finished but is in no way living up to its potential? They need writers, they need narrative and lore developers, they need to pay attention to things like that if they want to retain that AAA status.

​@@samf.s.7731this! A "random" dude on youtube could create a more coherent and impactful story than the whole ass Zelda Team at Nintendo. The many reviewers that point that out, mostly offer adequate solutions that would easily fix many of the totk's issues. Throughout my playthrough I was wondering how this game went through all the instances of overview and still have so many flaws in all the big and little details... Hire a damn lore youtuber if it's so difficult, at least they care about the story, ffs!

Honestly I appreciate Age of Calamity more now after playing Totk.

But if the world is smaller?

Honestly, if it played just like it it would be bad, but the fact that it plays just like it and the only interesting part of the map (not the depths or sky) is literally the exact same world as the previous game is unforgivable.

1000% agreed. There could have been an ending where she remains a dragon, but the "true" ending would require collecting all of the stones to restore her. Then again that kind of reward would also mean the rest of the story wouldn't be so shallow.

Maybe to maintain the theme of sacrifice they could give up their stones to restore her. I mean, they’re the mechanism by which one becomes a dragon, I feel like they should also serve a role in the restoration of a dragon. I also think a satisfactory ending would be to make Sonia’s time powers be a larger part of the story and then at the end, they could write it as her using a more powerful version of Recall. Too bad Sonia is such a nothing character in the game and it doesn’t really make any sense that her spirit is just casually lingering around still (or even Rauru’s for that matter since we literally watch him pass on in the beginning of the game). Any sort of explanation or foreshadowing for how Zelda turns back to normal would’ve made the conclusion better than it just happening by random, though personally I think it would’ve been far more impactful if she remains a dragon by the end.

I know right. But instead, this entire time, rauru and Sonia decided to let Zelda stay imprisoned in the dragon state lmaooo. This whole time they could’ve freed her but just didn’t want to.

Here's the catch to that. I haven't done a dungeon, nor do I intend to do a dungeon in Tears of the Kingdom. How does the game end instead?

@pretends2know iirc you can still just beat the game normally when you reach Ganons are you have to first fight a few dozen wave of enemies and then the bosses show up. if you have the sages they'll fight them for you but if not, you have to fight every boss 1 on 1, then you can reach Ganondorf

Thank you for saying this I try telling people this all the time but they don’t listen. I hate the fact that Link in botw/TotK was designed so that the player could feel they are link which could be a reason for his lack of expression and personality however it’s so stupid as in games where Link was expressive I felt they were more relatable. Even in ocarina of time which had limitations of the n64 he smiled and reacted like when the deku tree sapling erupted and after escaping the castle with Zelda even down to his text options you get a clear glimpse of Oot Link’s personality and in every 3D Zelda alongside spirit tracks each Link has a clear and distinctive personality. It baffles me why a game that took 6 years to make forgot to include the simple and make a personality for TotK Link

Big agree

I saw someone put the ... lizard divine beast mask on him (the goron one is the only one I keep forgetting the name of). Link is such a dumb robot it made all the cutscenes make more sense.

This

It's hard to treat Link as a "self-insert" character if he doesn't react the way I would. Yeah, if you do all of the tear memories and the Master Sword BEFORE you complete the sage quests, then Link knows exactly where Zelda is. If I were there, I'd at least tell Purah and the sages. However, Link doesn't tell anyone until the story demands it (he'll at least tell Impa if you find her after getting the Master Sword, but like the video said, nothing comes of that). Also, I actually got pretty emotional when I saw Zelda's sacrifice and thought it was one of the more powerful scenes I've seen in a Zelda game, so to see Link barely react to it really brought me out of the experience and provides another reason why I don't think that the idea of a "self-insert" character makes sense.

For the scope of this game and for how well it worked on release, I feel 6 years is a reasonable amount of time. You only need to see how many people in the credits are dedicated to testing to have a slight idea of the effort this game took, even leveraging BOTW assets.

You ungrateful bastard. How dare you not like everything about this game!? 😂

​@@salsa_ow But in that same time frame, the devs gave us OoT, MM, TWW, and TP - four absolute masterpieces, all unique and distinct from one another.

@@hanburgundy4317 that is not true. We are talking about TOTW taking 6 years, while you are saying we got OoT and TP in the same amount of time. OoT released in 1998, and TP released in 2006. That’s 8 years even without considering the time it would have taken to make OoT, which for what I can find it was 2 and half years. So 10 years in total for these 4 games. Also MM development lifecycle was horrible as per interviews with Nintendo employees, which is something important to consider in the time it took TOTK. It sounds like it was a healthy work environment, and as a developer I hope that was the case. So of course you can make multiple masterpieces in less time, but probably it was at the cost of a terrible schedule and work pressure. This is why I say 6 years is reasonable for a working product like TOTK.

@@salsa_ow No. There was one year between OoT and MM yet both games felt distinct. Six fucking years between this and BotW and it doesn't feel distinct.

I played BoTW like a Zelda game and it made sense. I can't play ToTK, it would make no sense... It can only be played as a sandbox game which sadly isn't my thing 😅

Yeah, Links corruption still being present apparently everytime you use the blessing-orbs at a goddess statue made me wonder if I would eventually die or sacrifice myself to save Zelda, but alas nothing happens really. Somehow I get the feeling TotKs' final version was hastily put together and eventual sideffects of the Gloom corruption that in my mind definitely should've been an issue were left out for timesaving reasons. Same goes with a lot of the larger sky islands that Nintendo apparently, according to an interview, left out because they thought it was too cluttered.

For real. If you told me that the original TotK had been completely scrapped in say, 2020-2021 or so for whatever reason, and what we have now was a desperate rebuild with a max of two years' actual development, I'd believe it.@@avon_c6199

The buffs weren't removed. They're in this game, too.

For me Ultrahand is the most annoying thing Nintendo ever invented it broke the game for me tbh

It’s an excellent example of “more ≠ better”.

To reference Nerrel's review, people were calling this GOAT before the game was even out lol

@@Charnutboy I swear, Nintendo fanboys are annoying lol

@@bucknasty69 As someone who used to really love Nintendo...yes, yes they are.

As someone who love BOTW, and it’s my favorite game of all time, you might be surprised that I totally agree with you! For some reason, BOTW never feels forced like this, or feels like tedious busywork. I STILL replay it, do every single shrine, etc. and love every minute of it. I just can’t bring myself to keep playing TOTK after I finished it once. It’s so tedious and feels pointless for some reason that’s hard to put my finger on. 🤷🏻‍♂️

me too - hope we‘ll see the old formula again

The honeymoon phase has ended, and the rose tinted glasses are off. Over the last couple months people are finally starting to look at this game with a critical eye myself included. What I generally see is that most people agree how impressive it is that they got Ultrahand to function as well as it did... But how shallow and repetitive the rest of the game is.

@@johnjones8438 not even necessarily 100% the old formula, but using the best of both worlds would imo be perfect. but we desperately needed a SMALLER world, more limitations, new gameplay (underwater exploration!!), great dungeons and a tight story. meanwhile ToTK mostly does the complete opposite.

Same here. Everyone praising it so highly when released that I decided to restart it, maybe I was missing how “amazing” it was, but after my second play through my opinion hasn’t changed at all. …it seemed, to me at least, a cluster of so much yet added so little.

People did the same with BotW, so I really want to know where you people see all those people that only praise the games. Heck, "traditional Zelda fans" do the same tired complaining since 2017.

Exactly. It honestly doesn’t even look like a Zelda game.

Most people liked BotW and wanted a similar thing but with improvements made to the weak aspects of BotW, combat not being encouraged by the systems, dungeons being a bit weak design wise and the boss fights not being great. On those aspects TotK improves a lot on BotW. Funnily enough, the people wanting a more linear experience akin to older games is actually a very vocal minority, they do exist but they aren't nearly as numerous as one would think.

@@imatiubut dungeons are weaker, way way weaker, the combat is the same so they didn't listen to the botw fans but added stuff no one asked for

There were four potential courses they could have taken with this game and they picked the worse one... 1. They could have completely reverted all the changes and gone back to traditional Zelda 2. They could have made a completely different game entirely 2. They could have iterated on BotW and improved its flaws and introduced some classic elements back 4. They could have double downed on BotW's problems and made a hollow shell of a sequel

@@Lucrei. 😆 too true, I actually would have liked to see option 3 with maybe a blend of new and classic elements. Maybe still open world to a certain extent but just more focused. The fact that you can defeat ganon without even playing 3/4 of the game is just not right in my mind. Maybe it’s cause I’m just old but oh well, maybe next time but they’ve made so much money on the last two games I doubt they’ll change their course for the future.

@@harmansmith84 maybe they will release a classic one for Zelda's 50th anniversary... in 2036

Oracle games were made by the BotW and TotK director... so no, I don't wish for that at all. Miyamoto or bust at this point...

They know, the just don't care because they're making more money than ever now.

Breath of the Wild earned its success deservedly tho, a KEY part of it working is so much in that game being absolutely new and discovering the world and gameplay as you go. ToTK had a CLEAR way for another success - use all the assets but bring us a brand new world like Majora's Mask did, ideally with new gameplay like diving or hookshot and actually LIMITING the freedom a bit (climbing everything is a PROBLEM at this point)

Honestly, seeing how toxic most modern Zelda haters are, they did the right thing lol

@@56ty_ I’ve seen a lot more people being toxic when people try to critique modern Zelda. Everyone has the right to love the new games and I had a lot of fun with both so I won’t say they are BAD. But they simply have more quantity than quality. And it honestly is kinda sad/dissapointing when you do wait years expecting quality similar to older zelda games and instead getting so much filler content that you don’t even feel very joyed to do

@@56ty_ But yeah if you think “the right thing” was to get rid of the original fanbase that made Zelda even relevant in the first place, then you would fit right in with the money hungry folks at nintendo making games that will sell more but not stay true to what is actually “Zelda” almost at all at this point

Absurd point lol

And you can tell it's worse just be watching it, you don't even need to experience it for yourself.

Sonia is Hylian and Hylians are human. I see people go in circles bothered by the ancestry between Sonia/Rauru and BOTW's Zelda, but so many people seem to ignore how degrees of ancestry can work. At this point with the information we got, Sonia doesn't have to be Zelda's many-times-grand-mother, they just need to come from a common ancestor who would justify their powers.

THANK YOU. I actually beat the game and then tried to walk around and found.. literally nothing enteraining. How did they make ToTK dramatically worse than BoTW? Shoulld've been a DLC. This game is sad, half-assed crapshow. Even the cutscenes feel silly. "OMG, FOXIAN PEOPLE" - bruhw tf. No

Same story here. I absolutely adore BOTW, one of the greatest games I've ever played right next to tomb raider and prince of persia. I loved the music, the sound design and the explorasion. I really enjoyed riding a horse in this game. TOTK tho.... Feels so much worse on so many levels. Like, ok, the abilities are kinda well-intentionted within the game world, but overall... It feels so cheesy, like, why they didn't make a dragon quest builders-type of building mechanic, like Link has to build some new towns in Hyrule and some siege machines for attacking hyrule castle eith ganondorf in it but no, we got some dumb lego duplo mechanic. Honestly, i feel like Eiji Aonuma pissed on my face and then got Zelda pregnant, that's how i feel after playing like 20ish hours of this game

Ah, and riding a horse in TOTK is so meaningles now since the bridges collapsed and some obstacles are preventing the horse from going further. Like, such an almighty ultrahand ability and you can't even fix some stupid bridge to Rito village?!

@@yurikoshokugan4395 I don't see how TOTK feels worse at all. It doesn't really feel cheesy. Why not make building part of the exploration and puzzles instead? It isn't a dumb lego duplo mechanic. That sentence doesn't even make sense lol.

@@yurikoshokugan4395 No it isn't and not all the bridges collapsed only some did and no...they can still go through most areas. Well yeah that works differently.

Yeah same I hate how the items change cool pre existing weapons fusing that lynel saber and horn makes my cool Royal armor sword look like ass

exactly, why is it we can't keep a sword like that. And even though we have a few weapons that do cool stuff like lighnting, fire, and ice, we need more unique stuff. Let there be more legendary weapons that don't break. @@frostycane5134

The hookshot invalidated their slow and boring climbing system so they opted to literally remove fun in favor of tedium lmao

If that's true, then that explains SO much! You can tell BotW but even more so with TotK that devs did whatever they could to take out any traces of anything that remotely resembles previous Zelda titles. And it's a shame. Because elements were there but they weren't utilized correctly. And that's exactly what people wanted, more so fans but Nintendo has received so much hate for sticking to the "Zelda formula" they don't want to keep elements that can and have worked in previous titles. Like, take Rauru for example. He could have been a GREAT assist character that accompanied Link on his journey. Sure it's been done before but he'd be a new face, a new character that gets fleshed out and we could even learn more about the Zonai and his people - why they came to Hyrule and established dominion but nope! Because it's a "Zelda thing and we're not doing that anymore!" 😅 that's so terrible

Nintendo has a weird obsession with tedium. They hate it when players just, do a thing. "I'm tired of this spirit orb cutscene, Nintendo-" "THAT'S TOO DAMN BAD"

They might as well have ditched the master sword. After 10,000 years of growing strong and stronger, it does…30 damage. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Good lord. It’s bad enough they had the constantly breaking swords in BOTW, but then they doubled down on it in order to force you to use Fuse, which is even WORSE. So then my one saving grace was that maybe if I can get the master sword early, at least I can have a decent weapon where I won’t have to use the stupid fuse power. Nope. 🙄🙄🙄

It frustrates me that a weapon introduced in the third game (and not even the most powerful sword in that game) is now the most hyped up weapon in all of the mainline series (save MM). Same for the shield introduced in the fifth game that _also_ wasn't the best.

I paid $70 for this game! And I’ve heard some people paid even more for this game! What a rip off.

@@aneeshsrinivas9088 I think the game is like this is bcs of that 70$ price tag, they added so much bloat into it so everyone thinks they got their money worth. this game is a definition of quantity over quality

If I ever buy it, I'll get it for $20-30 second hand. That's all it's actually worth being an official romhack

I don't think BotW was good even by its own merits tbh

It won't it has been said in an interview before totk came out

You have no idea what DLC means or even constitues if you really think TOTK is aything like that. We got DLC for BOTW and it brought in next to no fundamental changes to the gameplay or the landscape. Also lol at the “not a good Zelda game” when in reality you’re just not fond of the new formula. They needed to change course after Skyward Sword (easily the most linear 3D Zelda) and it only made more evident how radically different BOTW and TOTK are.

I hate it when people say "not a good Zelda game" just because it's different. Things change over time, and the classic Zelda formula was getting overused. What Breath of the Wild did was a needed change. Do you imagine how boring videogames would be if they were all the same?

@@Fiucha8893 We are on the same page. You know what i mean by that; Not a good Zelda game if you consider what the strenght of the serie has been until now; meticulously crafted puzzle boxes (opposed to the open-ended "traversal challenges" of the new games) and linear path. Like, 95% of the serie until now. It's not about the quality of the new formula it's about what to expect from a well known brand name. If you expect the classics, BotW/TotK are not good. It's like saying Hyrule Warriors is not a good Zelda game. It's true from a certain point of view. Again my rant was not about the new games being bad, it's about not liking what they've done with Tears of the Kingdom. I'm not happy with this game. It's not enough and it's not the right path going forward in my opinion. BotW was fresh, great hit. They made it because the classic formula was becoming stale. Good move. Six years and they made the same mistake than before; "Ho the last game was a hit, let's make it again but with some gimmick" and it's boring again.

@Frank_West That segment wasn't fun at all. Not sure what's worse, that or moving the statue eyes

@@neonmajora8454 for me personally that pre-Spirit Temple segment WAS actually fun as hell and easily the best part of the game - and that's coming from someone who was majorly disappointed with ToTK

You really wrote a whole paragraph when you could’ve just said “I didn’t like it” lol

@@cheke__hs how long does it take you to type a few sentences? If it's more than a few seconds, I'd be concerned if I was you. Kind of explains you being this games target audience tbh.

@@3sgtecelica Because attacking the person really gives a lot of weight to your argument, right? You just don’t like the game and want to feel superior for that when it’s nothing more than your opinion. Kind of explains your attitude tbh.

​@@cheke__hs My brother in christ, YOU attacked HIM first, for writing four short sentences. He doesn't owe you cogent argumentation when you've provided nothing yourself. You're even deflecting to that "opinion" nonsense when he's talking about quality, not preference.

@@VirtualAxiom I attacked him for saying his statement meant nothing other than he didn’t like the game? Lol, sure. And he never provided any argument to begin with, which is why I replied what I did in the first place. What you think he’s saying is YOUR interpretation of it and he didn’t say anything of substance, which according to you (as if you’re some sort of authority) I’m in the wrong for calling out. Talking about “owning” something to someone else in this context is petty and nobody thinks like that. Except you I guess.

Hell yeah, dude. It's important that people are honest with themselves. I thought I was alone in this when I thought the game was just boring overall. Dude, I have NOT played it since late May. I don't think I can bring myself to finishing it..... It's just too boring.

I find it kind of crazy that major critic outlets are still so enamored by these types of enormous open worlds that they continually entirely ignore all their structural flaws, insane amounts of padding and copy/paste gameplay, etc.. and give them 10/10's. I just recently got a switch and played BOTW after hearing for years from critics it's one of the greatest games of all time, I played it recently and to be fair, I mostly enjoyed it, but I also found it really ran out of steam after about 40-50 hours when you finish the main quests and finish the majority of shrines. Sure there's another 100 hours of tedious bullshit to do and boring side quests but there's almost 0 incentive to do so. I had the exact same experience with Elden Ring, it was fun for 30-40 hours, then it completely ran out of steam and made me miss the linear, hand crafted levels of Dark Souls or Bloodborne. TOTK seems to have just doubled down on the size and creative abilities while fixing exactly 0 of the structural or pacing issues of BOTW, hoping that people will fuck around with physics and abilities to create their own fun. I admit it's impressive how dynamic the game is and how large it is, but there's definitely a strong lack of urgency or really anything to push me forward. Moral of the story, open world games need to get smaller, denser and more interesting on a moment to moment gameplay and storytelling level rather than just doubling or tripling the world size and calling it a day. Really baffling these games keep getting 10000/10 from every reviewer

​@@b1thearchitect401these open world games look boring and tedious as real life. Yes it may be more realistic but for something that is supposed to be escapist fun, I dont want something to feel like a job I'm not getting paid for.

So now not liking the game is equated to "being honest"? Stop being so weird and accept that maybe people actually got into Zelda and liked it for its new take on the series. You're not objectively right, your opinion isn't important in the grand scale of things, and you, just like everyone in this video, is in an echo chamber throwing a tantrum over a videogame series having a new take on the formula.

@fuiger seems a bit upset calling the kettle black about people complaining being an echo chamber when most comment or talk about how surprising they find it that most people they listen to sing praises without commenting on any of these issues that many people have with the game. The positive side is the echo chamber. It's not like the game has 99% negative reviews, there's only a handful of negative takes from big channels or outlets

Could you name an action/adventure game released this year that is better than Tears of the Kingdom?

@@Fiucha8893 You're right... it probably got the award because it's the only adventure game released in 2023 XD More seriously though, I am pretty sure an indie studio somewhere has released something that feels more like an actual adventure and less like a chore. Not much of an ordeal...

​​@@omicron3012So you couldn't name one could you? Lol "inexcusable"... Grow up

@@BabysitterSky Sorry for not paying attention to each and every game which came out this year. And yes, I stand by what I said. After 6 years of development, the end result is extremely underwhelming. Now that the honeymoon is over, more and more people agree with this.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@BabysitterSky arbitrarily restricting the game quality comparison to only TotK and 2023 releases will obviously enable you to get a self validating answer, but that limited framework for comparison is obfuscating the foundation for majority of TotK critiques: how it fails to compare to older games.

@@Fiucha8893it did, they just added tedious garbage and added more shrines and koroks to pad out the world, wow! This game will definitely surpass the classics for years to come lol!

@@angelgarcia4641 And changed major locations like the castle and the Death Mountain, added the sky, the depths and changed the way you interact with the world. Only the terrain is the same as Breath of the Wild, almost everything else in the world has changed.

@@Fiucha8893 the sky is empty, and the depths are repetitive, the only “interaction” is the use of zonai devices in some locations, literally the only thing that stopped me from throwing this game in the trash is the final boss fight with ganondorf, which is the best final Zelda boss to date and even beats windwaker’s fight

@@angelgarcia4641 You got a great point here. I honestly had a lot of fun traversing the sky islands, but all of them are so tiny. Having one or two "big" sky islands (like the size of the Great Sky Island, more or less) would have improved the sky a lot. With the depths, I aggre that they may get a little bit repetitive, since the landscape is the same everywhere except for the Death Mountain area. But I think the stuff you can get down there makes up for it. The depths are where you get all the zonaite, plus they are filled with useful Bomb Flowers (I know you can also get those in the surface, but there are a lot more in the depths), Muddle Buds and Puffshrooms. The best weapons in the game are also found in the depths. Then there's the colliseums and the boss rematches (which honestly I don't care much about, I didn't like the dungeon bosses that much) and all the retro armor from other games. The landscape is repetitive, but exploring the depths is so rewarding that it didn't matter for me, although I understand why other people may have complaints about that. The depths would have been perfect if there was more visual variety.

@@Fiucha8893 "Rito Village but now it's snowy and empty" "Zora Domain but with some mud (wait...didn't we do that last game)" "Goron City but it's...420? wait what did we even change for this one"

I don't get it, like it really is pretty good.

@@Jdudec367 yes it is objectively a pretty good game, OBJECTIVELY, especially if you never played breath of the wild. But when you have already played breath of the wild, you come into this game expecting them to take what they already had, and build upon it thoroughly with super cool things to do. Plus it is 70 dollars. But it really just feels like we got more tedium and more empty space . Plus the lore was super underwhelming: there’s like nothing interesting in the sky islands, and you spend so much time underground running around and fighting the same malice/gloom powered enemies. WHY ARE THERE STILL KOROK SEEDS?!?

@@ZaiDrizzleDrop True you do expect that, and a experience that can still feel fresh in ways. I disagree, it feels like we got new cool stuff and things to see and find and do and explore, not more tedium and more empty space. Nah the lore is pretty interesting too. There is interesting stuff on the sky islands, enemies, items, side quests, etc. Eh they aren't really all the same enemies and exploring this giant area in the dark is still something. Good question lol yet Korok seeds are still here anyways, I guess to expand inventory space.

@@Jdudec367 SAME F-ING WORLD? That was truly lazyness. Re-used assets, sure, same world, NO.

Technically yeah, there were multiple time lines and since Zelda had the Master since the beginning of an established Hyrule then events of BotW shouldn't have happened. But that's a whole different discussion because now you have to bring in multiverses and all that 😅 I agree with you though, TotK is lazy writing and Zelda kind of just let everything happen. She had proof and saw murals of Ganondorf getting into power, killing Sonia, but like... she literally doesn't say anything to them. While I was playing I was like, does she seriously not know what's going on? Y'all really put this plot on paper and thought it was okay...

That’s why there’s no dlc, this, for all intents and purposes, was BotW’s dlc. Rigged from the start.

''Zelda flying around with a Master Sword stuck in her head?'' ~ I dunno about you but that sounds a heck of a lot cooler than a moany girl who had her head stuck in a boring diary for half the time, then the other half does a 'rearranged T-pose' with her hands stuck in the air in front of a ball of light. [spoilers?] - not to mention the important and Super-cool part of her _Transforming_ into a Dragon that you totally ignored in your attempt to trash talk Tears. Pff.

It isn't bad and it isn't disrespectful to what was prsented to the player in the previous game. No...the time travel wasn't done yet. There wasn't 2 at the time. No it wasn't nothing, he wasn't under the castle back then...only after him as Calamity Ganon was dealt with. No they are still important and haven't been reduced to footnotes. Not at all it's just wrong. No it isn't the equivalent to that at all.

@@Jdudec367 👍💯 Thank you Sir! Tell those blind haters; educate them (but don't try too hard or you'll end up talking to a brick wall situation!)

Unfortunately we are NEVER going back to real Zelda. Not after tourists gave Nintendo billions of dollars for slop.

@@pitshoster401tourists is crazy gatekeep harder nerd

​@@adonutlol1697the only people against gatekeeping are the people that gate was meant to keep out 🤷‍♂️

@@pitshoster401 You’re mind bogglingly stupid.

@@adonutlol1697This from the person who thinks wanting Zelda games to back to what works is somehow “gatekeeping”.

Tears of Nintendo's New A**hole man I salute you. "It's giving con artist" MHM

They choose pleasing journalists that don't even like videogames and the vocal minority of the Zelda fandom instead of the actual Fans. I really like Skyward Sword actually but i do recognize its flaws, and none of them are because of the Zelda formula but decisions that they made on that specific game. The ideal direction that TOTK should've taken was giving self contained events in each regions that reward you with perhaps the Tears memories but in a fixed Order regardless of where you start and end, and these self contained events being something similiar to MM's story, add more MM style side quests and there goes. Give the game actual dungeons too. With that you can have the new Open-World Formula AND a meaningful story and gameplay, not Building Laser Dicks Another option would be sending Link to the past (non intentional joke) along with Zelda and have this game be in past Hyrule and give It a more linear main storyline or idk. Just give the players who like Dungeon and Story + actual Zelda stuff, what they want. Unfortunately, Anonuma finds the old formula and apparently anything that remotely was from It "restrictive" and he wants to change everything, at some point, Zelda will become a whole new Generic Open-World RPG IP by Anonuma with Zelda skin and the fandom will just accept it. That's really sad because Zelda used to be my favorite game series before discovering Xenoblade, but now, it seems like the last true Zelda game was Skyward Sword, and since TOTK didn't fixed BOTW's issues, i like it less now, which is unfortunate.

At this point, it's clear to me that the problem with Zelda was never that the old style games were inherently repetitive and monotonous. It's that the director(s) in charge of the mainline Zelda games is just incompetent/mediocre. He ruined the old style of Zelda and now he is ruining the new style by the second game.

Very few fans actually had an issue with the original Zelda formula... there were a lot of vocal minorities.

Listen zoomie.....millennial here. Ocarina of time. Enough said.

listen millenial, this is another gen Zer, Ocarina of Time 3D is the way to go. and A Link to the Past is one of the best games ever. These new zeldas couldnt hold a lighter to the classics.@@sickaddiction8065

@@sickaddiction8065link to the past too🙌🙌

Tell me that you're hunting for likes without telling me that you're hunting for likes.

As a fellow zoomie, I have to say that while I find it interesting to listen to/watch discussions about the five 3d Zelda that followed the old formula, I didn't enjoy Twilight Princess that much, and Wind Waker I couldn't even finish. Breath of the Wild got boring after a while, when I realized how repetive it was getting, but at least it was quite fun for the first 30-40 hours. I've tried Minish Cap and Link to the Past for 2d Zeldas and I had the same experience. I finished Minish Cap but didn't feel entirely satisfied with it, and I could not bother doing the entirety of a Link to the Past. I'm a big fan of Metroidvanias, so the main Zelda formula feels like it should appeal to me, but somehow it doesn't.

Nintendo: We've got one of the greatest video game series of all time Zelda Fanbase: Yep, you sure do! We love them! Nintendo: Let's take out what made those games special to appeal to a larger crowd! Zelda Fanbase: Ye- wait, what? Nintendo: Yay millions of copies! It prints money and markets itself on social media! Zelda Fanbase: ohh... not like this, not like this

I got slightly further and the only thing you missed out on was unlocking the dungeon which imo was better than the dungeon with its segmented design.

Same.

because this is totally what you do in these games

@@adonutlol1697it really is

@@alastor4087 GET OUT 💯

@@adonutlol1697 NO 💯

"You guys bitched about the Master Sword running out of power huh? Well fuck you you're not even GETTING it this time! Muhahahahah!"

Where does that narrative all over the comments come from? People complained before the game was even out. "See things objectively"? Everything is only opinions.

@@NuiYabuko I didn’t see anyone complaining before the game came out. But I definitely found the “tutorial” phase of the game to be a grind and not enjoyable at all. Whereas in BOTW I enjoyed every second of it.

I played BOTW & TOTK back to back, and yes this is the #1 issue that destroys these games. Right after I finally got all of the shrines and some of koroks in BOTW, I boot up TOTK and got a do it all the fuck over again, traversing the same goddamn map on foot most the time to grab 1 at a time is a disgusting amount of time waste. It's SO checklisty and tedious. It's also not a thing you can just ignore or else you have dogshit health/stamina and inventory. i'm fine with these existing as the puzzles in the shrines themselves can be fun, but they should each give you like 4 instead of 1, the grind could be cut down to a quarter of what it is now and it would still be a long game - How the FUCK did no mainstream critics point out how tedious col

@@b1thearchitect401 in my experience it was way worse in Botw, because there really was barely anything else to do. in Totk I kept switching through the levels (sky/ground/underground) constantly while always having some distinct point of interest and never really went out seeking shrines actively, just completed those I came across anyway. But still, I wouldn't be happy if they kept the same exact formula for the next game.

Omg agreed Zelda characters, ESPECIALLY the npcs, always had a weird charm Yeah there's some ugly npcs but they never felt to be the level as old Zelda npcs LoZ always had a weird charm in its games and it's kinda gone now? Botw and totk are so boring in that regard?

@@Nova-gh5yr It's kind of like Paper Mario going from the creativity of Thousand Year Door to the bare-bone-ness of post-Sticker Star titles.

literally it feels like every character got hit with the generic anime blorbo beam. none of these new characters have any drip it's sickening

I didn't feel that so much with Breath of the Wild (until I was 80% done with the entire game at least). A few characters were genuinely fun, and I really enjoyed exploring all over the map. But for this game, that checklist feeling set in after like 5 hours and only really got worse the longer I played it.

​@Nova-gh5yr you're the first person I've heard have this specific problem other than me. Where is the love for the kooky weird charm and funky npcs??? That was genuinely a big highlight for me that I realized I sorely missed in botw. Let's be friends.

wasn’t her deaging an accident though.?

it was an accident to de-age to a toddler, not to de-age entirely@@calmv_

You really shouldn't have expected a good reward for doing anything at all. Didn't BotW teach you better?

A lot of people say it's because they're going back to their roots with having Link be a blank slate. The "link" between the player and Hyrule. But then Nintendo themselves contradicts this by having botw be the first zelda where you can't change his name, thus cementing Link as his own person. It's probably mostly due to adding voice acting, but then why not lean into it? Why accept that Link is a developed character in everything BUT individual, expressed emotion? It causes a weird dissonance that sticks out like a sore thumb.

@@jennakins98 That is your opinion. Seeing how Successful these games are, I think I'll stick with Nintendo's 'opinion's, thanks. As also agree with them. Things do not have to totally 'make sense', especially just how _you_ want it. Link is Link and the Dungeons are back in good fashion. Amazing you don't touch on those facts , probably will state they're 'boring'.

The "technically limitations of the Switch" argument is entirely countered by the existence of Xenoblade lol. Xenoblade 3 had some amazing facial animations. You can really feel the despair.

@@netweed09 You're free to have your own opinions, and it's totally fine to disagree with this video and love TotK in every way, but no way are any of the things you stated "facts." You have a different opinion, and Nintendo doesn't have an opinion. Nintendo is a corporation, not a person.

yeah for real i have no idea how that argument even holds water. even looking within the franchise, skyward sword hd has some really expressive character animation. skill issue if you ask me@@ShallBePurified

True! The theme of the entire story was sacrifice but not a single one actually has big consequences. The sacrifice of Rauru isn't that grand because he just came back as a ghost and somehow could still cast magic?? Ganondorfs selfish sacrifice didn't matter either, despite him exploding in a huge destructive looking beam there is actually no destruction of any part of the world, Link sacrificing his arm to protect Zelda just gets unghostmagiced and well Zeldas ultimate sacrifice gets the same treatment. What's the message here? Sacrifice yourself for selfless or selfish reasons because a ghost from 10 thousand years ago will save you?? Not to mention that the secondary theme is community and how it's important to build that up again but once again the final battle is fought alone.

@@Parrotcat yes exactly! I think the message is: “just sacrifice yourself because in the end it probably won’t matter and you’ll still look cool lmao.” haha.

Agreed, it was the only cool thing that happened the entire game in the plot and it was instantly cheapened because I thought "They're definitely gonna undo this and ruin it" and then sure enough...

There is something really funny about a channel who only does real life urban planning videos to make one video game video complaining about TotK and then proceeds to keep only making urban planning videos.

@@ShallBePurified not all heroes wear capes

​@@bens5859I think heroes like to surf on trends then

@@lucascamelo3079 don't think it's a trend, but here's hoping!

I recomend finding a Metroidvania to play, or a Zelda like, like Okami or the indie Blue Fire. If you find yourself liking those, you don't actuallly dislike Zelda. You dislike the developers taking Zelda out of your Zelda game. (Arguably the BotW knock offs like Genshin or Phoenyx arguably even do the glide happy open world better to).

@@amandaslough125 Ha ha ha! I’ve actually played Okami and Fenyx Rising and I LOVE those games!

Hhhhhhhhhhhhh yessssssss I found my people! Ōkami, dude, favorite game ever, it's so beautiful

​@@slowpoke8585Okami is a masterpiece, one of my favorite games of all time, it's really sad how we'll never receive a sequel to it tho.

​@@jace_d*virtual handshake with another fellow Okami enjoyer*

What you just described is something that Zelda had been using in every single entry up until BotW, and the only reason why they got rid of it is because they wanted to make BotW “different.”

@@theplinko9840 different doesn't necessarily mean good

@@Key-Knight87 my point exactly

The weapon durability system was a bad idea...ESPECIALLY since the MasterSword got a MASSIVE DOWNGRADE from its once legendary status as being the sword of evils bane, a once thought to be indestructable blade that no evil could touch, to now suddenly needing to "regenerate" because Ganon was somehow able to shatter it. TotK feels like Nintendo is trying to retcon some of the lore here. I mean generally most weapons in either of BotW or even TotK with its item fusing still breaking so easily in what feels like just a dozent hits was a BAD IDEA. I do hope....no....I EXPECT that Nintendo gets rid of this system in the next game and NEVER brings it back. Your suggestions for incentivising the use of different weapons is far better than making everything break.

so what was going on before basically, one enemy needs to be stunned with the boomerang, another can be grappled onto to then attack it, some need ice attacks, some needs fire attacks, all the player equipment matters, but only in certain situations, aka true adaptation instead of "oh nu my 1 stick out of twenty broke, lemme swap" level of "adaptation"

And to make it worse, the type of game that Zelda once was is basically extinct now. They threw away Zelda's entire identity to court an audience who never cared for it before and it worked. I can't overstate how much I loathe that it worked.

or maybe the game is popular because its a good game and revolutionized open world games

​@@pitshoster401 Couldn't be more of an arrogant elitist, right?

@@NuiYabuko you call me an arrogant elitist but you didn't call me wrong. Very interesting!

@@cronex1828The game is neither good, nor did it revolutionize open world games. Instead, it doesn’t even do the bare minimum of things like exp or a basic progression system. How is that a revolution?

Play BOTW. You will be so much happier, and you will actually understand what everyone was raving about. TOTK is a big mess.

@@scubasteve2189 I'm not so sure, while BotW is infinitely better than ToTK the classic games (with a few exceptions) are infinitely better than BotW

Same! I was already often frustrated with the puzzle designs but the story and especially it's ending disappointed me so much that I have not found the energy to pick the game up again after the final boss. My depth map is still mostly unexplored, I didn't fight a single Gleeok, I barely touched the sky islands after I realised there is nothing up there, I found maybe 15ü korok seeds in total and I never even tried out creative fusions or builds. And I don't see myself ever trying to do those things in the future. The story can be summed up with "They don't care so they didn't think about it" and I can't find the good will to care on behalf of the devs.

And the mm character models being Reused is literally bc they had 0 time and they worked out fine

Ocarina of Time was followed up with IMHO the greatest game in Zelda history Majora's Mask using reused assets with a rushed development time of under 2 years. Breath of the Wild was followed with IMHO one of if not the worst games in Zelda history Tears of the Kingdom using reused assets with the longest development time in Zelda history of over 6 years.

@@facepwnagewtf It's weird to say but I feel like so many of the best games are made under rushed circumstances by extremely passionate teams... Majora's Mask, New Vegas, and Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines all come to mind

@@Zeldarulah "extremely passionate teams... Majora's Mask" is an extremely funny (not in a genuine fun way tho) thing to say considering how traumatizing the whole Majora's Mask experience was for people who developed it

​@@KevZ7. ? Vent pieces tend to be extremely raw and personal in a way that could pass for passionate, at least how I see it. MM having the entire game be around an impossible deadline, the varying desolation and desperation of just about every NPC in it, and having actual 'stressful' (but funny in retrospect, like the deku scrub nightmare and the wedding thing) situations on the dev team be used for game content itself... well, ✨ artful trauma dump ✨ might be traumatic but it's still artful, lmao. Many current rushed (including Nintendo) games wish they could even come _close_ to what MM did.

They had 6 years to listen to BotW's biggest criticisms and instead they just ignored them to add in a Nuts & Bolts ripoff.

agreed. Nice pfp i gotta play that game, mischief makers isnt it@@pitshoster401

​@@MacenWyeah its Mischief Makers lol

@@pitshoster401 Sadly true. How much dev time did they lose to making Ultrahand? I mean, I'm sure recall also was an insane amount of effort, considering they basically had to store like 20 seconds of history for every moveable object in the overworld at a time, that's even more of a technical marvel to me than ultrahand and fusion (which is just limited weapon/shield ultrahand). It's neat, but such a genuine waste of time that they could've easily spent refining the issues people had with the game and released the game years ago and been well on their way to the next Zelda. Instead they just did their own thing and even made some problems worse. So frustrating as a fan, especially one who only found ultrahand to be just "okay" mechanically, at best. At worst, it breaks the very game they designed it for.

Didn’t both of these Zelda games sell better than any of the previous games? And review just as good if not better? You go to where the most money is and besides a very vocal minority, the critical reception for both Botw/ToTK is better than 99% of games released and if it wasn’t for BG3 being incredible, Tears would be winning most GOTY awards and so there’s nothing indicating that either will improve by making a new traditional Zelda game, even if they weren’t adamant they currently have no creative interest in making another one of those games.

Yeah the comparison would only be accurate if Galaxy 2 had you going back to all of Galaxy 1's levels and getting new stars. Basically Galaxy 2 is more original than TotK lol

Yeah, looking back, I probably should have stuck with the Master Quest comparison.

yeah master quest sounds more fitting, and even then like, master quest was meant to be bonus content in a OOT port (well originally not, but it was released like that at least), totk is sold as a full on new game ^^'@@YetAnotherUrbanist