Maybe the upgrade kit needs time to break in? Are the tweeters or midrange still working?

Thanks for sharing that information

What a hell are you talking about?

A speaker made and designed without a compromise in parts will cost a TON. Yes, you're fat better off making a diy with gif parts to begin with

Overpriced crap

KG-4's are impossible to brace front to rear due to the large passive radator on the back. I think no-res is your best bet.

Typically our upgrades add value.

from our website: www.gr-research.com/store/p59/Klipsch_Forte_3_Upgrade.html

That won't fix the issues cause by the passive filters.

@@dannyrichie9743 au contraire. Proper time alignment will allow you to create correct passive filters that aren't purposely screwing up the phase to try to compensate for the driver offsets. Then you will hear real coherency. Many years ago, I worked in the movie industry. The std speaker was dual 15's and a misaligned horn (700 hz x-over). We created a new speaker (3 way instead of 2) time aligned drivers. The difference was mind blowing. I then learned how to time align similar passive pa speakers using digital processing and no changes to the passive x-over. Again the coherency difference was mind blowing. Time alignment counts no matter what the big brains postulate.

@@jked7463 First of all you can't physically align the horns on one baffle. And offsetting them will put the mid-range horn way out in front of the tweeter (smaller) horn. And that will significantly disrupt the response. And most digital filters that allow for manipulation of time arrivals also come at the expense of a D/A converter, power supply, and analog output stage of a $29 CD player. Several quite popular models can really suck the life out of the music. And we do have kits with physically aligned drivers as well: gr-research.com/obseries.aspx And they are spectacular.

@@dannyrichie9743 of course you can't physically align the drivers with a flat baffle. I am not saying you can. I am saying to create a new cabinet that aligns the drivers. Look up community SLS speakers. The drivers are aligned. There are other horn speakers with aligned drivers and the horn sticks out. The sound of these high end speakers is exemplary. It can be done. Dont let your brain limit what can be done.

And regarding digital aligning drivers, i was using pro gear. So no, it did not suck the life out. I did it in speakers in churches, specifically, choir fill speakers where time aligning the drivers made the chour intelligibility go up tremendously.

Unless a speaker company is designing a speaker with no limits, to be their 'statement' speaker so to speak, they are always designing to meet a price point. There are always compromises. What Danny does, after the fact, is upgrade speakers, as if the original designers had a substantially higher price point to design the speaker to. But also, they may have different design philosophies. Danny's design philosophy would probably not fit with Klipsch.

@@pandstar Not always. As Danny has shown on other videos, sometimes Klipsch just doesn't do a proper job with the crossover and to fix it doesn't cost anymore. Remember, these models cost already less than the previous line so they are aheadvof the curve.

Because Klipsch knows what the problem is and buyers dont care. The copper cones, which cause the problem look pretty. The only distinctive part of Klipsch is the horn anyways. The rest is generic, but it's not enough to distinguish a brand. In defense of Klipsch they dont promote binding post upgrades and wood blocks to elevate your speaker cables.

they might run into argument. some of his upgrade parts are expensive. i don't know customers willing to pay more.

I saw that. The Forte IV is out now. I’m trying to sort out whether to go for the Cornwall IV’s, or get a pair of Forte iii’s and add Danny’s upgrades, saving some money for upstream gear. The room is 5,000 cf.

@@rndm4642 Get the Cornwall IV. It would be perfect for your room as long as you have two solid corners to place your speakers.

@@vncstudio I got la scala II’s a while back 😉

@@rndm4642 Pretty awesome!

No one has sent one in yet.

Yes some of their models are buzz boxes.

Yes, often.

Very true!😬

@@bigjay1970 Quite obvious that Klipsch is more interested in maximizing profit over sound quality. Never would buy a Klipsch.

@@roguemodel I agree, $3 000 a piece for that junk? It does show that maybe high end components aren't that important if all these reviewers go ga,ga over these? But $6,000 ,is a total rip off. I'm not kidding, go look up a youtube video of a svs ultra take apart video and look at this crap!🙄🤔🤪🤯🤯! Even worse, go look up a New Klipsch horn take apart video! $16 000 for crap parts! $16,000!!!!🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🥵🥵🥶 If you breath on the finish it scratchs more or less!🤭🤭🤭🤫🤫🙄🙄😜

I'm not thrilled with the build quality either... is the a product on the market that is superior in build and SQ in this price range?

@@bigjay1970 You are exactly right! Most people don't know, but Eminence builds most of Klipsch's drivers now. For a fraction of the price, you could build the cabinets with a better crossover network as well as better drivers that would simply blow anything that Klipsch makes away. I built my own home subwoofers, 2 units, each with two 12 inch drivers in a push pull configuration powered by a single Parasound A21 amplifier that No company out there can touch. And I've owned Rel, SVS, Velodyne, M&K, as well as many others. These companies cut corners to make a pricepoint to turn huge profits and all you pay for is the damn name. Eventually more audiphiles will learn this and realize that you can build incredible speakers for way less cash.

It takes Danny and his extensive knowledge and experience to fix the issues these so called established and experienced manufactures cant do... and then they charge thousands for something that was cheap to put together and not very well engineered to begin with.

To be fair, the Forte IV's don't have all the glaring flaws of the 3 they replaced. Though if you still thing they're not worth it, in the Jay's Iyagi review of the Tekton Perfect Set 210 for 2k, he said they sounded a lot like the Forte IV's.

.....find another snake oil salesmen to take his place.

@@ASSOpid you not saying he is a snake oil salesman right?

@@ASSOpid What? You must have me confused with someone else. I'm the complete opposite of that.

@@ASSOpid please be more transparent my friend.

@@ASSOpid lol, says the guy who has never built anything.

Wilson Audio Speciaties.

Polk

Or replace the crossover

You're an outright idiot. You have no idea how hilarious your rant is to me. Please buy a pair of Klipsch speakers and stay away from this channel. The audiophile community needs fewer morons like you.

@Steely Dan 5000 He's an idiot and so are you. Get an education if you can't understand the sentence.

@Steely Dan 5000 Strategic punctuation? You missed a question mark after morons, moron.

100% correct. This guy is no better than a shady car salesman. I've asked this Danny guy many times to prove his opinion that cables with PVC jackets sound worse than other cables with an A/B test. Or show us some measurements to back up his claims. But of course he always deflects his answers and never really has a solid answer. He's just another snake oil salesmen.

I suggest you buy Bose speakers. I have no idea why an idiot such as yourself even watches these videos. No one is going to bother with your nonsensical questions when your biases are so deeply ingrained. For one, of course crossovers affect of axis response. Do you have some sort of brain injury? When the Tekton Double Impacts were criticized for a narrow horizontal dispersion, what do you think Eric did to widen it? He adjusted the crossover. Christ, you morons are all over the internet. Dan has been building award winning designs for years and you think somehow you have more knowledge or credibility than he? Lol.