“Logic and luxury rarely intersect” My non-watch obsessed friends like to remind me of this often lol

When I bought my Seamaster I really cared about in house. Because it was my first true luxury watch I just wanted it to tick a bunch of boxes -- ceramic bezel, interesting dial, display caseback, in-house, etc. Then I bought an IWC and didn't care as much because it wasn't occupying that space in my mind. It was just a watch I liked and the stakes really weren't that high. I'm seriously considering a Quartz Solar Cartier as my next watch now. Over time I've realised that you should just buy the watch you like and that this stuff isn't as important as it seems.

This is one of your best videos! More content like this please.

Vostok is more “in house” than Tudor, that means nothing. The real contest is good vs bad movements, a well engineered, refined and accurate calibre is what separates horology from jewellery or fashion items.

Speaking from my understanding, one of the main reasons why we love watches is sentimentality and romanticization. If we were into function alone, we'd take quartz over mechanical any day. But the whole thing about in-house movements simply add to the romanticized perception we have with our watches. It's not what we 'see' when we look at the watch, but more of what we 'know' when we look at it. For example, the knowing of the fact that Seiko was the innovative underdog that contributed so much to the industry is the reason why the brand will always have a huge fan-base. We all relate to the underdogs in one way or another. We feel for them. So the in-house debate, especially when it's regarding the more affordable end of the spectrum (Seiko, Orient etc.), I think that's what it's mostly about. Our over-romanticized perception of the underdog brand and the awe towards their innovations, expertise and achievements (even if their caliber is below the luxury standard). (I've already said this on the Facebook group, but wanted to add it to the discussion here)

Teddy, you've always been a fine analyst and a wise voice to all of us, but you've really stepped up the depth and originality of your content. It's exciting to watch you grow!

"Logic and luxury rarely intersect". Great quote.

Great video Teddy! I definitely feel I have been a bit biased in my initial watch passion and journey to in-house movements, but it’s important to see how ETA and other 3rd party movements can actually be a great choice for many users. Very informative and helpful as usual!

I started collecting, and really getting into watches just a few months ago. I just wanted to say thanks for such a clear and comprehensive education. This is one of many videos I've watched now. For that alone I'll always keep you in mind when purchasing.

Great topic. I’m liking my Sellita internals in my Sinn’s to the ZF transmissions in our BMW’s. They sourced a component that works.

TEDDY la qualité de ton contenu est magnifique. Continue ton beau travail c'est un plaisir de te suivre sur ta chaîne. From a french fan from Montréal Canada

Love this type of videos of yours Teddy. Very informative and generates discussion. Thanks!

GREAT discussion. Watches are by mature technical and we deserve to have more direct technical discussions. The current Omega coaxial calibres all go back to a base 2892- nothing wrong with that. Plenty of brand new "in house" movements can have incredible teething pains. I would strongly recommend that you bring in a watchmaker for some "under the hood" discussions from their perspective.

Having an inhouse movement (or not having one) would not be a deciding factor for me personally. I'd rather have a watch with an external movement that offers the desired accuracy and functionality over an inhouse movement that may not have that- or maybe it would have it, but be much more expensive. That being said, I do think brands should be transparent about their movements, giving consumers the option to make their own considerations. Some people do value inhouse, others don't- but everybody values transparency.

Ted did a great job explaining the in house movements. I could not disagree with anything he said. He is very thorough and fair of his incite into all of the movements that are out there. Very well done explanation. Keep up the great work

Once again a great topic presentation! Please continue with the excellent content with well balanced points of discussion. You are quickly becoming my top reasoned source for most things that are timepiece related. Thanks!

I've been wanting to know about this for a while. Thanks Teddy.

As usual, a great video. Thanks Teddy for sharing your expertise with watch lovers.

Thank you teddy, I find this content to be very informative and entertaining

Man... had to puase the video just to appreciate and thank for the beautiful macros in all your videos. Great way to appreciate the details with cinematographic feeling to it.

Excellent video. Thoughtful and well presented. Thanks!

Fantastic video and topic. I learned a lot. Thanks for sharing!

The in-house thing often makes me laugh - like it’s a luxury badge of honour. Same people seem to forget that Vostock, Seiko, Orient etc are significantly more ‘in-house’ in nearly every way than your mid-luxury Swiss/German stuff. Spending 1k more for the same watch from an Oris or Tudor because it has an in-house over the previous Selita is simply showing you have more money than sense. But each to their own of course!

What a nice video Teddy. Thanks for all these beautiful movements.

Teddy, this was just an excellent discussion. Thanks!

Great video with lots of very useful info. Thanks Teddy :)

Wow. This is very insightful. Great videos! I think a portion of the customers who are against third part movement is because some brands like hublot, panerai, and frank muller charge extraneous premium for their extremely low cost movement. Other than that, I think most ppl will be fine spending 3-5k on a quality watch with eta movement.

Thx for doing this Teddy! Very good dissecting and logical arguments! Keep up the good work and stay safe

Great video Teddy, thank you!

I really love your ability to be objective. And super educational video buddy!

Very interesting video, Teddy! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, Teddy, for this objective assessment of the differences between in-house and third-party movements.

Yes, Tedzilla. The video we needed! And I think you executed it very well. I think this will help a lot of people especially the youtubers with fast opinions who can influence a lot of people coming in to the space. This will make them make more informed opinions and decisions!

I have not seen all your videos, but have seen a lot. As others reiterated this one rates near the top. Well done Teddy.

I love these educational & in-depth videos

Great video. Excellent presentation and enlightening. I learned a lot. Keep it up. Thanks.

I frequently see this question posted on different watch forums. Teddy, you've explained it so well and so thoroughly that from now I'm just going to link this video for the OP. This video along with your recent "How To Tell If A Watch Is Well-Made" are invaluable to those new to the world of high-end watches.

Fantastic video! Thanks for the deep dive.

Great information and perspectives, Teddy. Thank you.

This was the best explanation video ever. This ideas have been rolling around in my head for years. Thank you for putting this together. I am really interested in a Tudor that only has an eta movement, which kind of bugged me till now. I also did some research on the forums and found out that the service of the eta by tudor cost way less than their more modern movements, so now I’m good with this!🎉

Nice video and very good explanation!!!!

Finally, someone who talks about a difficult topic in luxury watches. I have tried to explain to friends who want to buy an automatic watch that they must pay attention to what it will cost to own the watch in terms of service and insurance. Many people become too concerned about whether the watch has an in-house movement without fully understanding what it really means. I really liked the video. Hope first time buyers see this so they can make a better choice.

Really informative video. This is the type content I really enjoy on You Tube. The older I get the more I want to learn about anything and everything.

Thank you so much for this educational video!

Excellent video and explanation of the in-house movement vs third party movement. I really don’t care if it’s a in-house movement or third party movement when I’m buying a watch, I care about it’s capabilities, reliability and ease of service. Keep the good work my friend!

A fascinating video and most informative.

Great video !!! One of very best ! Thanks

Thank you for making this happen !

Very in depth and common sense video !Very nice and very well explained! 10x

Excellent video: thank you for conceptualizing, and producing it! This has been a mystery for me, and You explained it in a pleasant, knowledgable way! i will take Your advice and go with watches that can be serviced almost anywhere...silly to do otherwise!!

Great topic. Thank you!

Excellent video. Very didatic. Helps understand the watch culture.

One of your best and most informative vids. Thanks.

Excellent video. Of all my watches, the two with the best movements are both in-house. But I have no problem with an ETA or even an NH35A.

A great update on your video 7 months ago about different movements.

Teddy - thanks for dealing with this issue. I’m looking to get a mechanical watch and I keep coming across this very issue. I feel like ease of serviceability is a big deal. I’m seeing lots of ETA based movements in my price range and was getting hung up on them not being in house movements. You put my mind at ease.

Excellent content, as usual! I often have to rewatch (see what I did there) your videos 2x or 3x just to absorb all the information. I strongly agree with the comment from another subscriber below- once I make that initial dive into that important watch (to me) it has to check all the boxes. From thereon, I scratched the itch. I’ll still buy quality but I can be happy with my purchase for any number of reasons and in-house movement or not will be less likely to inform my decision.

Great video, super informative. I definitely changed my views on watch movements.

LOL - I'm in this video! I posted the "Why isn't 100m water resistance standard at this point?" thread on the Watchuseek clip at 2:22. Great content as always Teddy!

Well put and comprehensive. Nice one Teddy

Great video. I’ve also started to see the term ‘Manufacturer Movement’ as a half way movement to fully in house. Personally I love non in house movements where they make sense. Take the Superocean 57. The ETA is perfect in that watch because it keeps the design slim, if Breitling used the B01 it would be too thick and the proportions would be all wrong…plus cheaper servicing so win/ win

The snob value being attached to "in house" movements is a heaven-sent opportunity for manufacturers to capture a revenue stream that would previously have gone to independent watchmakers. If Comco hadn't placed restrictions on ETA, things might be different. In any event we are where we are, but I totally concur, Teddy, with your sentiments about people demonising ETA movements. The 2824 and 2892 are and were very fine movements that need no apologies. For context, I own watches with ETA, Valjoux, Zenith, Rolex and Omega movements, so I've no particular torch to carry for ETA. Great video on a topic that does deserve more debate.

I always like your videos from the start couse I’m 100% sure it’s gonna be great content 👏

Great video. You kind of talked about it, but I think people who value in-house movements fall into 2 camps. The first is in-house is better because of the prestige/commitment from the brand. The second is people prefer in-house movements because they are better for the watch than any available third party movement available, whether that is because it has increased power reserve, shock/magnetic residence, or because the geometry is better for the watch design, like Nomos positioning the date wheels for their in-house movements to match the design of the watch. I am definitely in the latter camp, but I understand the former

Teddy, you provide great detailed watch info.

Excellent video !

Excellent explanation. Thank you.

Nicely explained. Thank you Teddy.

A very well articulated view Teddy, I can't argue with a single point you made. U used to get a tad annoyed when someone berates a watch that has a 3rd party movement but frankly I do not care anymore. It's also worth mentioning that some watch manufacturers take the time to regulate an assembled ebauche while others do not to the same degree. If I like a watch and can justify/afford it I'm not overly bothered what movement resides within. The decision may take into account any known issues with certain movements though including in house issues.

Thank you Teddy , about this subject . I think what makes difficult is that it is subjective but you knocked out the park . The reason I brought my Sinn 556i was because of the anti magnetic components , 26 jewels which help with friction , 20 bar , the extra decoration . The movement is 3rd party selita of the ETA but as good in my experience . So there for alot of watch for the money ( partly German engineering )

Great videos, love watching them, especially because you get quick to the point! There are several high-end watch brands producing (or designing?) their own movements. How about contrasting them with smaller and less expensive brands that also “advert” with in-house movements? What comes into my mind are brands such as Eterna, Oris and Titoni. I am unsure about Doxa and Ebel. The Titoni SeaScoper 600 might be worth a closer look.

very good as always video...

Thank you Teddy… very good subject. You always find the best topics. It’s true that some years ago we were more about the design without any interest of in house movement or not… now the first question we ask: “ is it an in house movement…” no? Then it’s too expensive for an ETA or….

A fantastic edition, TB. Strong agreement with nearly every point made. I now add an anecdotal: I own a Longines Record, its movement is denominated L 888.4, we all know its a modified ETA 2824, but its modified, from SwatchWorld (just like Longines) and a certified chronometer. It is supremely accurate (5 secs/month typical when used every day) and pretty to boot (display caseback). Three years ago i got caught wearing it in a torrential downpour while on horseback, it got damp inside. The emergency servicing cost me less than U$100. Is it in-house? I don't know, you decide. Is it better than some in-house movements I own? Way better! Do i want to see an L888.4 in a $10k watch? No, I'd want more artisanal finishing, know-how etc. Would i buy a $10k watch with an in-house movement to replace or upgrade it. No, i'd be wasting my money. Very pleased you highlighted Longines as an example of a mid-level maker that's got the right attitude and balance. After all, as you imply this is more about marketing and prestige/luxury than whether the movement is accurate or pleasing to the eye.

I watched a video of the service/restoration of a vintage Vacheron Constantin and although the movement is a piece of art, you'd truly have to be very well off to be able to afford to service or repair such a thing of beauty (let alone buy!) 🤩

Brilliant explanation!

Hay Teddy I love your content and your communication skills are perfect for me so thanks.

loved the video, very helpful..

Good video. Informative, objective and impartial.

That movement from Glasshutte sure was gorgeous. I paused to look more closely just because it was so beautiful. I'd pay extra for that if I had the money.

Excellent video Teddy, I watched both the 3rd party and in-house movements back to back. The fact that you have painstakingly taken the time to emphasize the differences is very enlightening. I have been enjoying/collecting and trying to understand watches for the better part of 40+ years. As far as my collection goes it is very eclectic…. I will say this….my most enjoyable watch from a visual standpoint is my Glashutte Original seventies Panorama Date. My most enjoyable watch from a historical significance is my Zenith El Primero Open Heart Chrono And my favourite sentimental watch would be my Rolex Submariner 16610….my first “real” purchase back in 1999. I have never bought a watch based solely on its heritage or in-house movement but I have always purchased based on quality and value. Keep up the great videos, very informative. Cheers 🥂

I have bought my 2nd Longines. I love both of them and both are beautifully decorated. My new one is also COSC certified, whatever that means.

Great video....the reason i bought my tudor was the 70 hr reserve and being titanium...i work in restaurants and needed a watch that would take a beating

Teddy got me into watches. Love these videos.

This was a good topic haven’t really seen any other of the bigs talk about this.

Teddy, I like the overview, lists, things-beginners-need-to-know videos, I'll still learn a lot. But you also shine when you get in the weeds of watches. Fifteen years ago, you would have been a cable star. You also would have been in Cleveland junior high. 🤔 Thanks!!! 🙏🙏🙏

Excellent, thorough video.

Nicely done.

One of the best bang for buck in house movements is Baume and Mercier Baumatic 80hr Power Reserve Ton of value for the price and some stunning watches without insane price gouging

Hi Teddy. A great follow up video on this topic could be a closer look and discussion around the Damasko DS30 vs the new DK30. It is more or less identical watches with the new DK30 being with a in house movement instead of a ETA 2824 in the DS30.

I own an IWC Mark XVIII and ppl say "oh thats a Selita blah" ... so yea what's up? It's running fine and and it's a fair looking watch! So let me and my Mark XVIII be, and bugger off please.

Often people miss the point of having a watch that you simply enjoy. If you are buying and wearing a watch to impress others, you don’t have a standing with me.

Eloquently put and well said.

Wow. I was in this same doubt for 3 days. Now u got this topic.

I think you covered a difficult and sometimes sensitive topic extremely well.

Great job 👊💪

The only movement I have ever had crap out on me was a Valjoux 7750. Cost me $350 to repair and now all is well in the universe. I think the benefit of a big name movement is that it is easier to get it repaired vs an in-house movement that could require expensive “in-house” repairs.

Good video. Enjoyed it. Thanks

Great Video Teddy. I'd like to guess that even those brands that design their movements architecture in house also outsource a lot of parts to pros in the field.

I have both in house and third party movements in my collection. Including ETA in a Hamilton and Miota in a microbrand. I have two watches that have in-house movements but are widely available and can be serviced through a network of ADs. However, I have ordered a third that I will have to send back to the manufacturer I did consider this in my decision to purchase. I enjoy all of my watches and do not look down on those with third party movements as I am an enthusiast. I found this an interesting discussion. I would like more discussions like this.