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First, let me say how pleased i am to see that there is another vegan watching this presentation.I have been in search for how to bring the heart of veganism into the mainstream. I believe Mr. Eisenstein is very much on point in his worldview. Though all the world is not vegan, I am vegan and I am one with nature. I am one with the animals. I am one with those who are vegan for the sake of the animals...The microcosm is the macrocosm. In a hologram, every piece contains the whole. And so in this context, we are on a vegan planet. The question still remains, how do we bring Mr. Eisenstein's wise insights to the vegan movement? How do we shift a mindset so focused on "what is in it for me?" to a way of life in which all beings are seen as worthy, intelligent and sacred? I have only just begun studying what this man has to say. But I do believe there is an answer. Thank you kindly Plant Powered Radio for being here, for representing the vegan movement. I do think something about what Mr. Eisenstein is saying can bring strength, focus, energy, and especially spirituality to this movement. This world and her creatures deserve to live, as do we all. and what effects one effects all.

@@deborahthunderchild1507 Always happy to meet another vegan 🙂. I like to believe people are waking up from the dominant cultural program, there seem to be more of us every day 💚

Eisenstein talks about time in The Ascent of Humanity, among many other things .. a most fascinating book from beginning to end! good luck with your work, it sounds very interesting :)

In Buddhism, both self and time are empty (of inherent existence). And in Mahayana at least, there are practices designed to help you see the emptiness of each. By doing so, you can glimpse the emptiness of all.

How do we worship an illusion other than time? I suspect that the fiction of money itself was derived from the accounting necessary to the attempt to control productivity of seasonal crops in our civilization and many more before us. Money gives rise to the artificial commodification of time. Time is money, in that it is a derivative of time, and thereby allows for extended economic planning beyond the next few harvests. Warfare and plunder become possible at increasingly larger scales, and eventually, you get to the point when it becomes necessary to create fictional enemies in order to sustain artificial scarcity: the foundation of a hierarchical society. I believe that this is one reason why the story of rational enlightenment is ending and the interregnum has begun. Circular logic is induced as a rationalization or rumanitory behavioral feedback decay in pathos. Partly due to the artificial conceptualization of money, an anti-social civilization feedback loop becomes self-perpetuating. With no apparent alternative, the levels of fear needed to induce a susceptibility to control can be weaponized over time to atomize solidarity, be it family, tribe, nation, or species. Charles called it delusional, but seems more like a weak psychosis. Either way, if we could disintermediate structural violence in our economy, healing the collective trauma that informs our global ethos might be possible. Systemically solve for an economic model that can transition between a time-based causality of scarcity towards a resource based economy or other abundance model, then we're substantially more able to being able to realize a non-monetitized social order... which would then mean that a gift economy would be possible. {Of course, this would require a non-regulatory approach, like non-violent revolution.} To my understanding, this is a small part of the problem but essential for all of the various moral hazards threatening our legitimacy and viability as a species. More interesting is that a systems design approach could be implemented with structural reversabilty, which would possibly result in an demand-side dynamics that replaces the non-efficacy of supply-side markets. Although, this is not a utopian construct, because compliance is intrinsically motivated rather than by exogenous force. {Perhaps the existential fear of time makes us so vulnerable to self-predation.}

Yes, that's how money works, there's never enough.

He's just saying that our current monetary system is like that. We need a new one that isn't. Now, with money being created through loans with interest, there isn't enough money to pay back the loans, so we're competing to be able to pay, while the banks have police to ensure they always get their share. It's a system that makes poor people work to make rich people richer. Since the function of the system is to withhold money from the ones at the bottom, getting rid of this feature would by definition be called "having a different monetary system". If things cost money, then being broke is a problem. If everything was free, then ok, but I think it'll be more practical to have some sort of positive money than organizing another way for us to prioritize everything. Im taking abundance here to mean "there's plenty for everybody", if it means literally "everybody gets to use as much as they want of anything", then that's easily demonstrated to be false. If I wanted to have all the gold in the world to look at, then no one else could use it for something else.