yeah and people are still trying to make money by buying these stocks by them selves. I really wonder too, how much fuckin algorithm is there

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Enter covid lock downs and automatated trading while everyone is at home. Amc and gme get hit 150+% over shorted at least, who knows if not thousands. Wow!

@@hillbillymagick7964 you used a bot ?

@@hariramnarayanan5157 no not me, the Hedgefunds. Thats the reason Gamestop and AMC have been shorted to infinity. Computers left alone, programmed not to lose.

I see what you did there ~2 standard deviation ☺

Agreed!

Insane. Thermodynamics an real estate along the fiber are the only limits.

Now it is 2024 and they are controlling everything.

I can spot an Aussie accent like a fart nowadays.

Bwahahaha... bloody oath! Goodonya, mate. 👍

Thank you

lmfao

Yea

Algorithm

The spread is just one algorithm gaming another.

xd

Greg Williams And you will sell me your 500 dollar course on how to get rich quick by trading faster than the robots.

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+gmshadowtraders Sure, if you're going to be a human high frequency trader. That would be moronic, and it always has been moronic, since trading became a thing. As an average person, there are many other ways to derive a profit from trading the financial markets. No individual investor can or should give a shit about the tiny, tiny movements from second to second that are profited from by HFT algos.

@@gmshadowtraders Can you imagine having a huge executive office with only middle and back office staff providing support while you the CIO just run compliance and auditing on the system with no human execution traders? The game is changing and I believe its best to stay with the trend.

I like the idea of a dollar value for each bid, though if companies are willing to spend billions on cable to make their HFTs milliseconds faster they can find a risk/loss point on how many bids they can put in and still make money. I think the best way to avoid this mess is to invest rather than trade. The average person probably shouldn't be day trading.

Trading is never about fairness. You can easily think of 1 million ways to make trading more equal and just to all participants. Sadly, that is NOT the interest of this industry. It is all about congregating money from many people to only a few, not the reverse. So you do that by deliberately creating inequity.

Chounoki I guess so, I still just think its a drop in the bucket if you're long on a stock. Small day to day fluctuations haven't ever disrupted my portfolio beyond the inconvenience of having to hold the stock a little longer.

augiedauggie Right. But for these trading firms, they make a lot of money from this kind of short term fluctuation. In the end, if the stock price never changes, how do you make money from it? The more it changes, the more potential to make money from it. The faster it changes, the faster they make money from it. If you make $100 by holding the stock for a whole year, they can make the same amount of money in 1 day from the fluctuation.

Chounoki It's the man-in-the-middle problem of all markets. A wants to buy 100 of something B wants to sell 100 of something. A middle-man C either because of fore-knowledge of the event or other conditions takes the 100 from B instead and extracts 5% for himself and then transfers 95 to A and calls it a trade. The reality of the numbers though is fractions of fractions. A wants 100, B gives C 100, C gives A 99.9999. A is satisfied with that result. C produced and did nothing, and has no reason to exist.

probably fine, they only hold the stock for seconds most of the time and profit from tiny movements in the price not long term fundamental trends.

this sounds great!

If you’re gonna buy back at the pice where you’re stopped out, then why bother using a stop to begin with ? A stop should be set where the trade idea is wrong, so if the stop is triggered then why get back into the same trade ?

@@ImUrZaddy let’s say you bought in at $105 and your stop is $100. Sometimes this is the right stop, and the price goes to $80, $70, $60… but sometimes this is the wrong stop, and the price goes to $99 but comes back up. In this situation, given that you had bought at $105, then you would wasted $5, because when the price came back up, you were no longer holding the stock.

+MatzeGamer ...how....

+MatzeGamer haha fiat currency. just like now!! :)

MazeFrame but who employs these machines? Retail traders? Hedge funds? Government?

urm, yes.

And now they can even hedge against you pulling the plug or blowing them up, with cryptocurrency. Aaaargggh!!!

Well said brother. The older I get the more I see people who have access to address a crowd on a public platform like a stage, live event, tv show and even the internet try to get an emotional rise out of the audience by coming up with a bunch of baloney just so the average folk who has never looked into the subject can relate and say "oh yeah off course now I know why I don't have enough money to retire the HFT's are to be blamed, I'm getting fat and have all kinds of illnesses it must be because the government is injecting stuff in my food for it to grow faster" & its just funny how the cycle works the people buying into this sort of non sense get to be lazy and blame others for their shortcomings and lack of taking responsibility and the person presenting well they get to sell something at the end that promises a solution to the problem (presented in a manipulated way by themselves in the first place) & when it doesn't work the cycle repeats itself and goes something like " I got ripped off its all his fault I did nothing wrong" instead of " oh I think I should do some research and see what I should eat and how much rather than buying pills, and look into how the markets work rather than investing with some fund whose sales rep promised a 6000% gain in 99 days. But anyways thanks for reading my post, Good Day.

Well said brother!

+Carlos Fierro In the long run, yes.

but these are futures, (indicative pricing/quotations) look at the dow jones and compare with wall st 30 they are different, its an over the counter derivative.

It takes atleast 2 pieces to create a checkmate

Think about equipping a cpu onto your brain to "enhance" how much you can think in 1 second. Basically, you are still in control of your thoughts, but thanks to the machine you are allowed to think of it faster.

eloforfree There are robots out there which are programmed to collaborate with humans. Apparently they're more productive than robots who work on their own or humans who work on their own.

john gury THIS

Andreas Reischuck it's SKYNET :o

Andreas Reischuck great video telling the truth, I did not need to buy the program to know it is a scam?, i use ANDY LANK TOOL for daily income.

When algorithms can learn it becomes a little more ambiguous.

that's why machine learning exists.

Alfa Won they call it AI and ML

Name one person or AI or ML that has made alot of money. I bet you no one can. And when I say alot of money Im talking about George Sorros or William Buffett type of money

That's simply false. We already have AI that is better in specialized fields than it's creator. it's just a matter of time the same will happen with trading. We already have cracked the game of "Go", we have AI that wins tournaments of Texas Hold'em, Deep Blue kills chess. There are several ML paths to take and deep learning is just one of them. Algorithms get better every day and no - they do not depend on the knowledge of the creator in the respective field the AI is used in. If the AI was only as good as the creator then none of those advances would've been possible. How would you beat the world's best GO player with an AI if it wasn't made by the world's best GO player then? I can throw an AI at an atari game without knowing anything about it and this AI will be better than any human being in no time. The AI doesn't know it's playing a game, neither does it know how it works. It simply tries to optimize a function (in that case winning the game, by throwing outputs at it) based on the given inputs (in that case the raw pixel data). At no time at all has the creator of such an AI anything to do with the games themselves. In fact considering deep neural nets we don't even know exactly what's going on within hidden layers of the net. We have a vague understanding but we don't know exactly. Taking computer vision as an example: throw a picture through a bunch of convolution layers, throw some normal invisible layers behind that, and an output layer. What does it do? it spits out numbers based on the input. Nice now throw backwards propagation at it. what you now have is a basic convolutional neural network that doesn't know anything about it's task. now throw millions of pictures at it and tell it to maximize the functions to output "cat" and every time there is no cat in the picture you simply tell it "wrong". this net - that doesn't know jack about cats or pictures or what ever - will eventually be able to identify whether or not a cat is in a given picture with quite a remarkable accuracy. that without the creator ever describing what the hell a cat even is and what the algorithm should look for. You then could take that very same algorithm and do the same with everything else that is a classification problem. And now guess what trading - buy vs sell in simple terms - is. Now just like we haven't solved computer vision we haven't solved trading and many other classification problems - yet.

+Daniel Stapler Not all HFT is front-running, in fact most of it isn't. Do some research, there are many, many strats that are encompassed in HFT.

They allow you to fill your order faster and priced better

Dark pools are private exchanges or forums for trading securities, not accessible by the investing public, they are so named for their complete lack of transparency.

CzechRiot many brokers offer access to multiple ats' and dark pools as well as a range of proprietary and 3rd party SOR systems

How is the algorithm intercepting your contract before the exchange ?

scottab140 no the game was not over, there are numerous squares to where the king can escape to, the game is considered a draw because a lone knight will NEVER mate a lone king. It was to check if any existing danger was on the board, then he goes on to explain the time it takes for a non-expert chess player to recognize if they are in DANGER or not. 600ms right?

Sounds like the pretext of a popular movie...

Ulfric ArrowKnee You cannot possibly know or understand a complex system that is 55% HFT-Algorithmic trades. All you know are political talking points. The fact is we have no real knowledge about what's really going on in a partly automated market and we sure as hell don't know how it affects real people in that market.

Uhm, no. All the big banks took major fines in 2014 and 2015 for manipulating the forex market, which I retail trade. There were quite a few system crashes on large indexes across Europe including DAX this year. This is because all the crap is build and updated to old windows systems.

Honestly I think some people paint this holocaust apocalypse vaporizing of people's money thing just for sensationalism, like global warming flooding whole continents and mutant viruses dissipating humankind (which is more likely though...). If algorithms go berzerk and do way too crazy things, the regulators will just nullify everything that happened and set things back to how it was before the "catastrophe". Although random individual casualties are mostly irrelevant (as there are always homeless shelters available)

No they don.t because the algorithm goes like this: 1) Look for random correlations between data points 2) Test it on other data points 3) Repeat until it works out 4) Now try it on real world data

TO give you an example of an exoskeleton in this case: instead of having algo trade right away, you have an algo that scans the news and tracks the markets. It foresees the news, foresees the upcoming crash from all other algos that trade, and then notifies you. Yo have 7-10 minutes before market goes back to normal, so you buy low, and sell as soon as price approaches the normal again. If there were microcrashes recorded, they have something in common most likely. So here Algo is not taking decision to trade, but is notifying you that something is coming.

He hasn’t been born yet. But I’m dating Sarah Connor right now.

I certainly think so, not only do these algorithms compete with each other, but they almost make mincemeat of the human trader with small investments. If an event as devastating as 9/11 happened today, computers would sell faster than a human would receive the news of the event.

BYSMA4th That's exactly my feelings on the markets, and that's why I'm a programmer.

***** Amen brother

+BYSMA4th That's why I stopped trading.

+BYSMA4th And so what? What's wrong with that? Valuations of a financial market should not be based on morality or emotion, they should be based purely on a supply-demand basis.

This stuff is way too advanced for any regulatory body like SEC to understand.

There's other industries that use way more advanced machine learning & algorithms. Like Uber & Facebook.

benedict amstel i'm a loser if you click faster than me

more booze and hoes.

+CzechRiot Literally none of the people working at these firms are motivated by these things.

Evan McMiller maybe at your firm...