Well, hopefully I can give you a lot more to steal!

It's okay, I haven't been able to play much either, lol. I mostly boycotted 7 and FR until Lee came back, lolol. Then I just recently moved. Have hardly gotten to play as much as I've wanted. =x

It actually got slightly better (more consistent at least, and boosted damage in some combos depending on starter) with a patch that is deployed in arcades now on Tekken.net. However, it's not on the home systems yet. Next week or something?

TZMurakumo _I miss being able to bound juggles with F+4, 3. The recovery was so fast letting you catch up to your opponent and simpler than doing WS2, 4. T7 lee is more advanced but the screwattack is better for wall carrying._

No worries. I hadn't really done any guide-like stuff since Tekken 6, so I probably wasn't on any newer people's radar anyway. I'm trying to get them out as fast as I can, but life has been a little hectic/crazy since release. Calming down soon-ish, though. Hopefully I'll put out something good people can use.

That offers more control for shorter distances for sure, but slightly less range overall at max. It all just depends on spacing on the stage. The range difference happens because later S! adds more distance in the juggle even if otherwise the same moves and hits.

TZMurakumo You're right, the key is adding more b2 before S! :P

Thanks much! I'll try to get working on more content very soon!

You're welcome. I hope to start getting some of these out a little more quickly now! =D (Next up in the progression? Wall combos!)

Right?!? I really wish S! would do SOMETHING at the wall, even if it doesn't allow as much extension as mid-stage. Saving B! for wall used to be really good for Lee.

Right? I have this weird thing where I hit it a lot better from the left just because of my lever timing. From P2 I hit the B late and get standing 1 a lot... need to practice more, but I guess that's what summer break is for! =D

1,2 does next to no damage, though, and raises the scaling really quickly. If you can't b+2 string, it might be worth it to do something like... 4, b+2~f,N, 2, b+2~f,N... or... 4,u+3, b+1:1~f,N, 2,1,3...

Yes, except the maximum number of hits for WS+2,3 seems to be one hit fewer (aerial hits 8,9 for f+2,1, aerial hits 7,8 for WS+2,3). b+1:1~f,N_b+1,1~f,N always helps make up space if you're falling behind or need to catch up--just can't link into itself or b+2 (can't be repeated in the same way) and the timing is stricter than another b+2. I miss the just frame a lot on this link because of the method I use (plink the buttons for two chances on the tight timing). With the scaling in this game and where it's used in combo, it's only a 1 dmg difference (3 for JF, 2 for normal), so I am willing to trade the damage for consistency. Old explanation of how to do it from almost 8 years ago here (still relevant): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZ2GmqmesrKWqZ8.html

The timing (assuming you're not playing online) will never change. It's just a matter of getting the timing down, like any other "just frame." A lot of practice, a lot of work. Would not recommend for online or any variable lag environment.

A lee players definition of easy is different then the average player

Yea, his best stuff is definitely difficult. There are other things that are easier, but other characters are probably quite a bit more rewarding. It might be worth also using another solid character with easier execution to build the basics. I know a lot of Leo/Lee players who have done just that.

TZMurakumo I love the varactor though will be weird playing others. I'll just keep practising. Your vids do help a lot though. Thx.

RD transforms ff3+4 into a launcher ? Holy...

Yea, I definitely wouldn't recommend using him online. His juggle game also suffers (or doesn't stand out) under the current system (similar problem to TTT2 vs. T6, where his juggle abilities and wall finishes/oki were above and beyond just about everyone else when pushed to the max). Further, some frame changes really hurt his standing game. I will forever be a Lee player, and I am searching for redeeming aspects for him right now... but it's a lot of hard work to make him work this time around. =/

TZMurakumo yes :/ luckily for me he wasn't my main before, just the character right behind Mishimas.

Sorry, I'm really late on that video. I have a couple things I need friends to help me test to put the last touches on that video so that it is A) complete; and B) all correct information. It's about 95% complete. I just need to get a friend to come over to help me test a couple last parts to finish it off. I meant to have it out a couple weeks ago, but I'm just waiting to get that testing done and put the finishing touches on it now.

Yes, I will have a punish video. I think there are already a couple out there, but I intend to add a few little things that are punishes that stuff continuation mixups, frames after the punish and options to follow it, etc. As far as the order I intend to do, though, it will probably go from here... - Wall combos - Wall Okizeme - Punishes ... followed by - Poking - Fighting at the wall - Size considerations - Bigs Given my current time constraints and life... I'd say this week or next? I actually may need to wait for a friend to help test/input for wall oki, so if things go quickly, punishes could be as early as the end of the week. Friend helping me test/input on Sunday. And yea, I agree that Lee takes a lot of effort, especially in his juggles. He now has one of the best sets of punishes in the game, though, and a pretty good poking and CH game. Input barrier can be difficult, for sure, to maximize his juggles though.

Looking forward to your content! I don't even want to touch online matchmaking without finishing what you have in store for us. Appreciate ya!

still waiting on that vid

Well, you said the word that scares me--online. Online play is a lot better than it was, but I still hate it. I'm a purist, and I want both as little lag as possible, and I want no variation in that lag. Online play also frustrates me because, you could have perfect timing, and you drop things because of variable lag, spikes, etc. It's, in that case, not a problem with the player, but the environment. I know I'm spoiled living where I do, near Tokyo, so once Lee is patched back into the arcade I can go to tournaments that are using the cabinets back to back, and I have friends close enough that I can host sessions at my place, but if I were forced to play online exclusively, for my own sanity I would play another character (maybe Leo, Feng, or Miguel). I feel like playing Lee online and adjusting for the environment can lead to bad habits offline.

I've got it!!! I finally figured out a way to guarantee the continuatiob move! And it works great!! I'm so happy I didn't give up because I was ready to dump Lee today. I found a way to turn almost all of my combo's into 70+ damage (raw! extra rage damage excluded.and they are not to difficult to land. I've tested the combo's online and they work! I'm so happy right now, those 200+ hours of practice in the last 2 weeks finally payed off. Also, thanks to your wall carry video I've been able to carry opponents all the way to the wall and finish them PERFECT. I have a setup that the opponent can't escape from! I'm thinking about making a video myself soon :):):)

Nice! Let me know if you make a video. I'd love to see it, get ideas, and give feedback if helpful! =)

TZMurakumo That moment when I only play with Lee online lol.

lol, may you have low and consistent MS, good sir!

Endlessly if they don't tech, however, there's no real reason for them to not tech--no threatening catches. S! doesn't reset through, so you can only S! once total even if you keep getting the reset.

TZMurakumo nice,this might be useful against scrubs. XD I need to invent a momentum reset for DJ.

If you late d+2 and they tech, you should still be at frame advantage, though I'm not sure by how much. In past games 2,2,3 would definitely CH if they tried WS+4. Might be time to get a mid in there to cover. For DJ, I would imagine it would be just a late CD,N+4.

Don't push and hold. Just tap back. You have to be back to neutral by the time you hit 2. Tap b then wait a split second before hitting 2. Also, if you tap b too early in mist step nothing happens. Maybe the first thing to try is getting the sway consistently. Without the sway, you won't get WS+2.

TZMurakumo ok thanks its finally coming out now. I do inputs too fast lol

Agga Nation 1=square 2= triangle 3= X 4=O . It’s just easier to use number cause people play on different systems .

during mist step tap back to sway. Hit a button right as the sway begins and you'll get a WS move (except WS+4 since sway+4 is a low attack). Just a timing thing to get down... during mist step, b,N+button.

Thanks. As a beginner I'm already getting a hang with his combos.

Glad to hear it!

After 4th is easy/consistent. I'm getting better at after 5th--all about timing the run/getting used to the recovery.

TZMurakumo I really wish I could put a lot of these into practical usage but online and lag makes it difficult and discouraging... Nobody understands the difficulty of playing Lee on lag unless they play Lee!

Come to my place. We'll test and capture more. Lagless Lee matches and beer!

Timing and practice.

TZMurakumo I was trying for 3 hours straight. I'll try figuring it out again tomorrow.

Welcome to Lee, where everything is completely execution. Want to deal damage? Play another character. Lows? Dw. They're good but the damage is really low. Well, literally summed up Lee.

Simply put, Shadowplay didn't remember my settings from the previous use. I didn't realize my mic was on (I don't use the overlay for controls--just the hotkeys) until I got it into Premiere. I have a ton of stuff to do though, so I made the executive decision to move forward with it rather than recapture it all. =o While it's also currently incomplete since the game is new-ish and life has been busy (work in progress), everything that shows up in these videos will be in the written Lee guide on Tekken Zaibatsu ( www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=132435&perpage=20&pagenumber=1 ) I'm aware, too, that the videos aren't for the neophyte. They're intended for people who have some knowledge of Tekken who are making the switch to Lee. I make a certain assumption that people are bringing their resources greater than KZfaq to bear to learn the game and character (Again, www.tekkenzaibatsu.com has been around since the turn of the millennium and is a great resource). I really don't believe KZfaq should be a one-stop-shop for everything, and naturally you'll miss a lot of nuance and discussion here that can go into finding these things and sometimes going further. The Lee forums are a really great place to go for that. As a player, I also have a history of finding the max damage options, even if difficult, to maximize Lee's potential, which is essentially the idea behind these. I make another assumption that if people want just some basic things to play and use Lee a little bit, they will run into other videos that supply enough for that. As for voice overs, I will probably do them at some point if I can simply add an audio track on KZfaq. The other consideration is that life happens, and is busy, so I haven't had a lot of time to produce things. I've been working full time, plus some recent weekends, and moving house, taking care of some tax stuff, and still trying to keep up with research I have a short window for (professional, not Tekken) between it all. So I would highly, highly recommend reading up and asking questions in the Lee forums at www.tekkenzaibatsu.com , but if you have some questions first/in the meantime, I'm happy to try and answer them here.

The operative word being online. As an older player, an arcade junky, and a bit of a purist, I still don't consider online a good play environment. Things get complicated further by added input lag throughout the series, really horrible lag from plasma TVs, and even lag from certain controls and sticks. Add these together with variable lag online, and it's a recipe for for missing a lot of stuff. Lee is one of the more timing-sensitive characters in the cast. Anything that messes with that (like online play), will screw up your ability to execute, and if you do get used to it, it often screws up your ability to execute in offline matches. If you are interested in playing in tournaments and find it at all possible to get a local scene together to play offline, I would recommend that. If you live somewhere that has this in the arcade, Lee gets patched back into the arcade 5 days from now--looking forward to that! (Tournaments, finally!)

It frustrates me a lot when I can't pull out my best combos.

Yea, I hardly touch online. I'm not sure why exactly, but also matchmaking for me online is EXTREMELY slow to find any hits (waiting 5+ mins to get a match)... not sure if it's something with US Steam account living in Japan or what. So anyway, if playing online, I'd recommend a change in mindset--don't take it seriously, and treat it only as a training tool. Online ranks don't matter so much because they're not as accurate a reflection of skill as in local games (or rather, they reflect the ability to play Tekken ONLINE well more than play Tekken well). There is of course some overlap, but in the past I just found myself very frustrated trying to take online seriously. It's much less frustrating if you can let it go because "online is online..." and treat it as an imperfect training tool only, in that "A laggy connection to an opponent is better than no opponent." When you really want to measure your play, try to find a local tournament sometime if possible. =)

I watch asian steam players mostly south koreans like qudans, MBC on Twitch and they normally find people to play with for less than 5 min on ranking match. I guess the Japanese players don't play much on PC ? Thanks a lot for the videos and the advice !

I just asked a pro Japnese player and he said that the Japanese prefer the PS4 version. But you should be able to play against South Koreans and Taiwanese players ?

Yea, his timing is quite strict. I only have the benefit of having been doing this for years (new game, but a lot of the same timings and inputs). The most difficult input from this video is probably the b+2~f,N, b+1 link. It's a little easier on stick because you can plink the button (two hits on the button) to increase your chances of getting it right. (Reference: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZ2GmqmesrKWqZ8.html )

TZMurakumo I can do that move on a pad most of the time my problem is with the JF version though. Doing hard combos with Lee consistently is really hard! even playing with him against defensive and rush characters is tough! Personally I don't have people to play with and I'm only good with Lee he isn't meant to be played online if your connection isn't good.

As long as you're getting the link, I wouldn't worry about the JF version. It's only 1 damage difference in juggle now. JF version adds 1 dmg. Making it to the wall adds heaps of damage and okizeme possibilities! =D

TZMurakumo I still want to practice that move because it looks sick! xD I wouldn't care about the benefits that much except in matches I'll play it safe.

im a pad player i have to simplify some of the hardest link from exemple b+2~f,N, b+1 for me is too strict but with training i can B+2 more consistantly but online it was more difficult and the game have 7 frame input delay ( patch is coming)