Hey friends, We have added the benchmarks to our description! Sorry for the delay!! ~ Editor Autumn

I absolutely appreciate your videos. You go into things that nobody else ever talks about. We are glad to have you.

10:00 "Thunderbolt has to be qualified by Intel." Sitting here with an Asus ProArt AM4 motherboard with dual thunderbolt (in advertising and on the box), it tickles me to know that there exists an Intel employee who goes through all the checklist for AMD motherboards in the Intel labs.

You don't only cover a more advanced Linux niche that is disregarded by a lot of KZfaq channels, but you also make it entretaining and informative. I thank you. (even if you talk a lot about hardware I can only dream off. I am glad to actually know what is going on around, wouldn't change it a bit).

So glad you're doing Linux based coverage with Zen 4. Definitely time to build a new PC for me

Thanks for talking about capping the power limit. I can image a lot of people are concerned about the extreme TDP. Would be super interesting to see the performance comparison with 65W Intel 13gen CPUs when they come out (with AMD is also capped at ~65W), since this is the product that explicitly doesn't exist in AMD's lineup. Also, I remember from one of your older videos about "unofficial" ECC support on AMD platform, that even if ECC memory is technically working with the MB, "real" error correction actually may not happen. Can we be confident ECC does fully work on these ZEN4 motherboards?

Thanks for your input, like many others took advantage of dropping prices on older items on the marketplace, but still interested in finding out what the newer products have to offer and compare!

I really hope they come out with a board that splits that PCIe Gen 5 into more Gen 4/Gen 3 lanes. With threadripper completely dead at this point, this would be a fantastic alternative.

The biggest win as I see it for home server/build server use is the onboard graphics freeing up a PCI-e slot for other things. That said hoping to grab a cheap 5950X for now...

Wow! Thank you WendeL and the team at Level1

Great content, wonderful chat thanks very much :)

Thanks for this, looking to build a new machine for Xmas. This was super helpful.

Great content!!! Thnx for all the time and effort!

Been wondering about it Linux performance thanks! I'm gonna be upgrading to Zen 4 and using Pop OS when I get the hardware. :)

Great stuff. Thanks L1 team

What I'd love to have you test is if the Ryzen iGPU can be passed through to a virtual machine. I can only assume Intel intentionally blocks this functionality because despite all my efforts on 12th gen I haven't been able to get a VM to boot with the iGPU passed through to it. Being able to do a dual-GPU mITX system, even if the secondary GPU is so highly limited, would be an enormous selling point for me. Of course best would be just being allowed SR-I/OV on non-datacentre graphics cards, but not even AMD would ever be so good to us.

I am interested in AMD claims (reported by LTT) for Ryzen 7600X --- outperforming the 12900K in gaming. Since LTT is unlikely to cover gaming on Linux, will *L1L* compare _Linux gaming_ on both the 12900K and Ryzen 7600X? That is, all else being (relatively) equal[1]? I am interested, also, in seeing how each does with Windows running in a PROXMOX (or headless, qemu KVM) VM. Ideally, this would include gaming on Windows --- even if only in synthetic tests. [1] Current AMD Radeon discreet graphics, preferred; RX (6800|6900) XT.

I think the closest the a "Workstation" motherboard would be the ASUS X670E ProArt. 10GbE & 2.5GbE as well as "Thunderbolt" via USB4 and DisplayPort into the motherboard to feed back out over the USB4 header.

Wow.. incredibly good info in this video. I’m interested in the new platform but not at ridiculous prices, both in regards to upfront cost and running cost. Look forward to seeing the B type motherboard reviews, and the day you can recommend 128GB ram

Thanks for the video, I liked it :) I don't get to see much linux content so it's nice whenever you upload here. I would love a motherboard review for linux sometime if you could do that?

No 10Gbe on such a main board? I have a 1950 system and waited for m-atx main boards with integrated 10Gbe . Since the new NV graphics cards are that big, I will go for atx, but when not even the most luxury main boards have integrated 10 Gbe it's a mess. The reason for integrated 10Gbe is to be able to avoid big tower cases. The rad limitation with 2x 360mm is mostly 45mm. Mounting a 2nd PCIE card, even a little one can be a challenge.

You can BUY DDR5 64GB DIMMs right now, for an incredible amount of money. What I don't understand is why X670 boards can't support 256GB, because DDR5 supports 64GB DIMMs.

Noticing that you haven't talked about the upcoming V-Cache products in either video. Can you think of some server use-cases where the highly binned 7950x3D and it's monstrous L3 come in handy? I'm thinking the platform/prices might stable out by then, and the 3D stacking technology should be improved, possibly allowing higher clocks

Thanks for the review

great video u got me pretty hyped, my objective for future will try a am5 7900 with some beefed kernel to become faster (6.2 with its new scheduler maybe), maybe with old cheap amd gpu and a rtx or 3090 for a windows vm passtrough.

love the intro!

I loved the Hank Hill homage at the beginning...

Good to see some linux test for the new ryzen. I took the 7900x and the asrock steel legend for my new linux dev workstation and i'm quite impatient to have all the pieces to test the upgrade. I'm running shit tons of docker containers on my dev pc because i work with microservices. I hope it will improve virtualized workloads perfs

Speaking of motherboards I'd love to see you review for Zen 4 on Linux: The ASUS ProArt X670E WiFi I've had a wonderful time with mine and I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Hey look, this channel is not dead

... and you. Good job too. Thank you!!!

Best thing about the new platform is the prices on the previous stuff. Just ordered a 5600X for less than 200,- Euros (incl. tax and shipping). Still have almost everything else here, now just waiting for the Radeon launch to make a decision if I'll go with 7000 series or a cheap and already perfectly working 6000 series card. The 6700 non XT looks interesting.

Thank you, Wendell! 🇺🇸 😎👍☕

Thanks!

I gotta say, I really love the intro music for this. It's off-putting when I hear it on other videos, it makes me think Wendell is about to tickle my brainpiece. Goddamn I like that song

Idk why but this guy has a relaxing radio worthy voice lmao

13:25 Steve at _Hardware Unboxed_ did just that with the 7600X. Based on what he said, it worked on all the Zen 4 parts he had. So four sticks of DDR5-6000 should definitely be possible for everyone (he didn't get four golden sample IMC's).

Great Scott!

hahaha... 12:56 literally had double up with laughter. "math go fast now"

Imagine running gentoo on this thing with all the opimizations and native instructions turned on (like avx512). And then when they release the 3D version of it. Must be eyewatering.

Thank you

so is zen 4 really all that different than zen 3? or is it more of a simple die shrink? if so I would wait and expect for a core count increases and maybe more significant improvements in the next generation.

I, for the record, am watching this in September - by about 2 hours.

Glad you covered the tdp lowering stuff. Good job AMD / Linux devs. AM4 has everything I need so i'll be skipping this GEN failing some mobile variant with suped up iGPU

What product were you using as a PLX bridge? The old Fusion-IO thingy or an HBA like the Delock 90504?

8:40 Could you please go more in depth about how to set up a plx bridge and what hardware / software combination is required? Great video as always but I wasn't able to find much info on that (maybe i'm just not searching for the right things - I don't know.)

Now this is what I was waiting for!

Any chance you’d consider doing some WSL related content on this channel?

I'm curious if you could switch between AMD onboard graphcis and a dedicated NVIDIA GPU at will, a la prime somehow?

I do have a Threadripper 1920X for my NAS / Stuff setup now, would a Ryzen 5 7600X save me some power? I’m interested in the Zen 4 CPUs because the seem to have better PCIe lane allocation than the Intel 13th-gen. And more of them (that’s why i had the Threadripper in the first place).

I was hoping to get one of these when I saw the main channel one. Thanks for the Hank Hill Joke

The new higher power limits not only waste energy during operation, they also increase motherboard cost. Anything over an 8 phase VRM is ridiculous for non-overclockers. My 5900X runs on a B550 motherboard with curve optimizer at -30 and a reduced the PBO boost by 150MHz for stability. Not much slower, but more efficient. In summer I limit TDP as well, not because of CPU temperatures, but because my room temperature already hits 30C.

Which Ryzen Master are you using? Mine keeps crashing when trying to apply to reboot.

@Level1Linux Would love to know what type of physical PLX card Wendel used to get more pci-e g3 lanes, does anyone know?

Any news about Threadripper 7000? (I do need the PCIe lanes)

You're damn right I'm watching this in the future.

did you hit an issue with 6% to 9% hdd ssd use nvme use for linux install meaning 60gb for 10gb of files?

I’d love to see a 7700x set to below 45 watts with ecc memory run through some of these benchmarks. Might be my next Truenas system if it can do 45 watts (preferably less if possible)

Yes, x264 is software, ffmpeg should easily support AMDs AMF or VAAPI should also work, but I don't think phoronix has a VAAPI test and you have to manually enable it. Software increases might be due to AVX512 among other things.

Definitely interested in upgrading my X570-based proxmox home server to X670 at some point, but i'm struggling to see if it is worth it. One thing that does seem attractive is being able to use the iGPU as the host GPU instead of occupying a PCIe slot with a dedicated host GPU. I'm also wondering if having PCIe 3.0 devices in the loop (like an HBA card) forces all the PCIe slots to run at 3.0, or if I can mix and match PCIe3/4/5 devices with no issues.

It sounds like your suggesting an all AMD system as the best hardware to run Linux - right? Have you tried Intel - Nvidia or Intel - Radeon as combos to do the same?

Maybe I'm an idiot, but where can I find a link to the benchmarks you are showing? I wanted to see the h265 results, but you completely skipped it and only showed h264

19:13 to 19:40 that's cool..I'll under under volt and under clock the 7600x a bit to where it never goes past 4.7ghz or somewhere in that range.

Does the motherboard Steel Legend X670 report double errors? I have one ASRock B550M Pro and the bios does not have any configuration to enable ECC error injection, does someone knows if it detects double error ?

what about the undervolting?

Patiently waiting for that DDR5 video...

Балдёжный видос, респект мужику.

How does looking glass work with the Integrated graphics?

Wendel always mentions Optane. RIP never forget, press F. ;(

The power efficiency is insane. Running a chromium compile as a test, all-cores, at 150W at the wall (around an 80W TDP equivalent), the 5900X winds up doing around 3.9GHz all-cores while the 7900X winds up doing 4.7GHz all-cores. The 7900X compiles chromium 50%+ faster at the same wattage, and the difference for an all-cores workload between 132W and 230W at the wall is only 10% in performance. That's insane. It also means we can just use tower coolers (which can dissipate around 230W on AM5 in my tests. If the power budget is set to something reasonable, like 150W to 175W, the core temps also stay very reasonable and the whole system runs efficient, fast, and quiet. The 7900X runs faster clocks at 130W than the 5900X does at 230W (all cores compile workload). 4.7GHz vs 4.4GHz). How crazy is that? With these new cpus it just doesn't make sense to run them unbounded... its a huge waste of power to do that. Setting a power cap is the way to go. I was surprised about the stability too. I didn't do any voltage offsets... basically just set the TDP (aka TDP/PPT/etc...) parameters in the Overclocking menu and that's it. 32GB x 2 of DDR5, so the memory wasn't overclocked either (we need at least 64GB for these bulk compiles so its dual-ranked anyhow). Also didn't particularly set ECO mode for downclocking the chipset, fabric, and other elements since there's no point doing that if one is maxing out the workload. There's no idle time to downclock in, anyway. And no voltage offsets either... we can't afford any corrupt output. Just TDP (TDP, PPT, etc) settings. -Matt

17:15 "keep the n-queen 0.2 sec non-regression in mind". gotcha! that't going to be the first thing on my mind when I wake up tomorrow.

I'm waiting for 13th gen to drop, to see which will be better for "budget" workstation build.

Does not all AM5 boards support ECC? If not how can I find out which one do?

Why are the Ryzen cpu boxes upside down? Are they in distress?

Yup- have a 2920X Threadripper on a gigabyte Designare MB that I loath getting rid of. But I am ready to try an AM5 based system. I also like the TRx50 based Threadripper. They are over a year old as I write this so plenty of maturation.

Why the hell does upgrading to 6.3 which fixes MOST of my issues break the iGPU? I can't see whatever errors are getting displayed. This is maddening.

This platform is a beast!

If someone does put a PLX bridge on a motherboard to give a usable number of PCIe lanes it would be a great upgrade to the sadly-missing Threadripper enthusiast segment. (I know they slapped the name on overclocked epyc chips, but then they priced it accordingly).

I hope you will test IOMMU and GPU passtrough. As far as i am reading, people have trouble. I hope it can be fixed.

Where are the intel 12 series chips? All you have is the intel 10 series? Also gamers nexus shows about 250 watts on the 7950x, which is actually higher than the 12900k. 7950x does have more cores though.

So Which boards really support EEC ? Asrock ?

I have three rigs, all ITX (B550I AORUS PRO AX) one R5 3600 and the other two R5 5600. One Pop!OS, one Mint the other Windows 11. I prefer Linux. Can't wait to build an AM5 rig.

Does GPU reset work on the iGPU?

Loaded linux mint on my msi x670 with a 7900x cpu and 64gb 6000 ddr5 with Samsung 990. Installed in minutes holy shit

hm. the kernel and llvm compilation graphs don't feature ryzen 7xxx cpus...

What I would give for some DDR5 UDIMMs with ECC and running at 6000Mhz CL30.

Is GPU passthrough even necessary nowadays since steam proton is a thing. I've been using steam proton for gaming on my laptop and im set on converting my system to full linux. Gaming on linux is just soo good now.

Steve at HUB said he was able to run 4 DIMMs at 6000 MT/s. What do you think is going on? Motherboard differences?

Still waiting for that IOMMU video, Wendell!

Asus Pro art. with 128gb ram. With 2 M.2 in raid 0. will be very interisting for VFX production

I am thinking about 2 Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-6000 C36 DC - 32GB (AMD EXPO) or 4 Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-6000 C36 DC - 32GB (AMD EXPO) Making it 64gb. So 2 stick vs 4 stick. Will 4 stick run with same preformance as 2 stick? Sometimes I need 64gb and I do have 4 4K Monitors with a bunche of programs opened. Another option is to buy 2 stick 32gb (Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB DDR5-5200 C40 DC - 64GB (AMD EXPO)), but frequency and latency on those is 5200 40CL (AMD EXPO). I am using GIGABYTE X670E AORUS XTREME - AMD X670E + 7950X

Sell can also mean advocate for

I was using ZenPower for my 3000 series to be able to get temps and such for scripts, but it seems that it has not been updated in quite some time. I know it's brand new, but does anyone know if there happens to be a replacement/alternative that works currently, or is in the works for 7000 series? I re-enabled k10temps, but I didn't seem to get anything out of that as before, so I figured it won't be the way to go again this time around either.

Wendell plz measure input latency and total lag under different scenarios. Lag is creeping on expensive workstations and laptops from all angles. The computing experience in total is getting bad. Plz find the culprits.

Can you look at the ASUS X670 ProArt motherboard?

overclocking ECC next?

If there's one thing I've learned, it's that all accessories are Linux accessories with enough patience and know how.

9:34 Thank you, that's the shame with these boards that they don't just give you a slot and a card rather than integration into the motherboard, especially at those prices. But that's server territory I'm guessing.

Really wanna see looking glas with that igpu. Sinced it's ddr5.

6:07 yeah AMD decided that the CPUs will boost until they hit either the power limits or the thermal limits, which for most people the thermal limit will hit first so... 95 degrees is the new normal.