Ten years using RED cameras || The Good, the bad, and the ugly

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Caleb Graham Films

Caleb Graham Films

Күн бұрын

Are RED cameras a good investment? Will they win you clients and woo Directors?
Dive in to see how the journey's been for me as a Red owner operator, working as a filmmaker and freelance cinematographer.
My current RED setup?
Red Komodo + Red Dragon-X (With lowlight OLPF + Minimag SSD Upgrade)
Hit me up in the comments if you have any questions.
www.calebgrahamfilms.com
Instagram @calebgrahamfilms
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
1:05 - My Camera Journey
4:00 - Sony FS7
5:32 - My first Red Purchase
7:40 - Upgrading from Epic to Dragon
8:09 - Release of the Komodo
9:30 - Comparing the Komodo to the Dragon
11:08 - Doco excerpt shot on Dragon
11:25 - Thoughts on Red as a company
13:18 - r3d codec
14:02 - Final thoughts

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@jakehayden998
@jakehayden998 2 ай бұрын
Love your input on this, thanks for this video
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Stoked to hear that Jake! Nice to know my two cents worth rant is being well recieved/offering a bit of value haha
@scottievee7467
@scottievee7467 2 ай бұрын
I shoot with Canon C70's. I love the DGO sensor and RAW image. If I was gonna try something new it would be with a RED. I have a lot of RF glass. But now with the Nikon entry I'd be nervous that it goes away from RF. A lot of good stuff out there now. We are lucky.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
The C70’s are great - I’ve got friends who own and are super happy with them. They actually match with the Komodo’s pretty well also. Yeah interesting about the RF mounts right!! Seemed like all future Red’s would keep that rf mount but who knows now🤷‍♂️
@baekmedier
@baekmedier 2 ай бұрын
@@calebgrahamfilms They will keep the RF until... (Nikon needs to make a cinema lens before changing anything I think)
@matthewchee
@matthewchee 2 ай бұрын
They wont keep the RF mount. Business is business. Japanese don’t operate as charities.
@matthewchee
@matthewchee 2 ай бұрын
They will just say what needs to be said to keep red cameras with rf mount sales afloat.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
@@matthewchee Haha yep. Doesnt seem like it would make sense to ship cameras with their main competitors lens mount.
@InfamousStar1
@InfamousStar1 12 күн бұрын
Great video! I’m an owner-operator who owns an Alexa Mini, Amira, Monstro, Ranger Gemini, Komodo, (2) FX6 and (2) FX3 cameras (I know, seems like overkill). But they all have paid themselves back over and over, and get tossed into rotation depending on the project. I too rarely use my Komodo anymore (just doesn’t have the same dynamic range and robust image as my Monstro and Gemini), so I’ll likely sell it at some point, as it’s kind of a specialty camera at this point. I can’t justify moving into DSMC3 due to RED’s notorious depreciation in value, so my DSMC2 cameras will continue to be in rotation until they retire. Also, I much prefer the image that I see from the Monstro and Gemini than most of what I’ve seen coming out of DSMC3 (almost looks too digital / videoy in comparison). The ARRIs are definitely in a league of their own with their look and dynamic range. Again, great video!
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 11 күн бұрын
Really interesting! I was personally recently thinking about the Monstro and Gemini and how good they are and will continue to be as bang for buck options with an amazing image. How do you think the end results from the Mini and Amira compare to the other cams in your kit? I know there's still people in my area buying both of those cams used and being super happy. Being a doco shooter the Amira was always a camera I would of loved but I felt like I left it to late, would love to hear your thoughts on how they stand up at the moment
@iamkubrick
@iamkubrick 13 күн бұрын
I sold my Komodo and picked up a DSMC2 dragon kit. The older sensors are far more ‘film’ like and better for narrative. The Komodo is good for corporate stuff. I like the Raptor… but it’s a bit too pricey for what it is.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 12 күн бұрын
Definately agree! It's a shame that Red marketing worked so well to convince people they need all of their new products to be honest, the older ones are great. Yeh I'd love a Raptor too, but just doesn't make financial sense for me at the moment!
@DomWest
@DomWest 2 ай бұрын
Still such a lovely look from the Dragon!
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
For sure Dom! So ahead of its time
@wepopcreative
@wepopcreative 2 ай бұрын
Your camera history is literally my camera history haha VX2000's are super sort after now
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Nice. I know..never would of predicted that comeback hey haha. Actually really wish I had of kept mine, unfortunately at the time I was a broke student who needed the funds to roll into the next camera purchase🥲
@wepopcreative
@wepopcreative 2 ай бұрын
@@calebgrahamfilms I guess I wondered whether the Canon HV30 made it into your camera arsenal at one stage 🤣
@andrewmason8691
@andrewmason8691 2 ай бұрын
As a Nikon shooter living on the northern beaches, it was good to hear your perspective on Red. It will be interesting to see what Nikon/Red spit out in around 3 years when they start combining technology and IP. I dare say the price will come down, as Nikon is the most aggressive on price compared to Canon and Sony.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms Ай бұрын
100%, will be super interesting to see what they bring to market!
@gordonsmith33
@gordonsmith33 2 ай бұрын
I love the RED ND system
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Top 5 Red cameras with built in ND's video coming soon
@TevinFosterDP
@TevinFosterDP Ай бұрын
Hey thanks for sharing! Question which company do you use to insure your gear
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms Ай бұрын
Cheers! Im with an Australian broker called PPIB - photoinsurance.com.au/
@ShamarMarcus
@ShamarMarcus 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for your input on this! Im currently in a bind deciding between a helium 8k s35 and kx. I have realized i can pickup a full build for 10k or less for helium and kx would be a bit more. The image from Helium is just so cinematic compared to kx with like a digital look. What do you rec?
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Cheers Shamar! Just hit you back on insta. But for other poeple interested: I think the end results/overall image quality on the Helium will be better, and a bit more future proof with the 8k option. On the flipside - Komodo-X will be better for using on Gimbals, and draws less battery power. I think they're the main things to toss up!
@RubenStuveling
@RubenStuveling Ай бұрын
Hi Caleb, thank you for your video. Very interesting to hear your story and how you've upgraded your gear over the years. Some really nice shots in there as well! I have a bit of a tech question: I also shoot with an Epic Dragon and I have the skin tone highlight OLPF in the camera. Which OLPF do you like with your Dragon? I have to say that the STH OLPF doesn't really impress at the moment because of the colors and the pronounced noise. What is your experience with the different OLPF's?
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms Ай бұрын
Cheers Ruben! Ahhh you know what I've had a similar experience. When I bought my used Dragon it came with the Skin tone and Low light OLPFs - I naturally thought I was going to love the Skin Tone one, but had weird results - I would say in general worse results than just the standard OLPF. I then read something online about a DP swearing by leaving in the Low light OLPF in all the time and loving the results (You might need to fact check me - but Im pretty sure the film Palo Alto (2013) was shot with this exact setup). Personally I've never looked back from rocking this setup - to me it makes the shadow tones so much nicer and just works well all round, I never seen any colour issues and id say it lets you push the iso to 1600 without ugly noise - side by side looking way better than the Komodo at those ISO's north of 1000
@RubenStuveling
@RubenStuveling Ай бұрын
@@calebgrahamfilms Hi Caleb, thanks so much for your info! Good to know others have a similar experience with the STH OLPF. In some cases it can look good but then in others it indeed looks weird color wise (and noisy). I’m now hunting for the LLO and Standard, really looking forward shooting with them after seeing your results.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms Ай бұрын
@@RubenStuveling No worries! Yeah its not what you'd expect hey. But yeh - I used the standard for years on the Epic-X and never had any issues, so it seems like the skin tone one is kind of the anomaly amongst the three versions.
@LoungearoundTV
@LoungearoundTV 13 күн бұрын
I just finished a 200hr shoot in blackmagic.... just wish they had 16 bits. The rolloff on my burano is much nicer and simply stunning, especially in xocn, but that comes off at a premium. If I had to choose between fx6 or blackmagic 6k, i would pick blackmagic anyday - unless it's pure night.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 12 күн бұрын
Yep, loved that rolloff on the Burano as well! No denying they do have a nice image - just a shame its at such a premium. Interesting to hear you put Blackmagic over FX6! You prefer the warmer colour science?
@LoungearoundTV
@LoungearoundTV 12 күн бұрын
@calebgrahamfilms I'm a grader, the first thing I would do is rescue the highlights on the braw file, every time the fx6 or fs7 mxf files pop up, I'm stuck with it if it hasn't been slightly underexposed when a sky is in the scene.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 12 күн бұрын
@@LoungearoundTV Yeh ok that's interesting! I know I had similar good experiences with live music footage captured in braw. Especially FS7 era Slog-3 was super sensitive to being perfectly exposed I used to find when I owned one, its gotten better but still easy to mess up
@nimrod7785
@nimrod7785 2 ай бұрын
Thank you talking through it. Retaining the value is a big one. I am a Burano guy, I kind of think Sony is like Nintento, whatever they do don't make sense! Red is kind of feels a bit evil to me with all the copyright stuff, and Arri feels like Apple, elegant and kind of behind in tech, but they absolutely nail it every time! :D
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Haha good analogies! I was originally actually going to compare Red to Apple with their 'You need to buy every amazing new product we release' style business strategy. And then ARRI is more like a luxury car/high fashion brand - No one is under the illusion they offer 'value for money' as such, but also cant deny they make very well made , very thought-out products. Buranos are great! Definitely the best all round workhorse for work veering towards the higher end space - As soon as a suitable project pops up I'll be renting one again
@2424rocket
@2424rocket Ай бұрын
That’s why almost every major movie is shot on an Alexa because they’re behind in technology. Clueless.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms Ай бұрын
@@2424rocket Are Alexa in the same budget range? Obviously not talking about major films
@philippscheithauer
@philippscheithauer Ай бұрын
@@2424rocket I was about to comment that :D The are leading the pack big time. Even there 10 year old sensors are ahead of everything that other brands currently offer (maybe not Venice)... But I "feel" the are like apple, lol
@LoungearoundTV
@LoungearoundTV 13 күн бұрын
You can get great images from the Burano, Red and Arri but only 2 of these have great resolution. Arri is very cheap second hand too and very expensive to fix if something goes wrong.
@kinoromantic
@kinoromantic 2 ай бұрын
I was close to buying RED but for just under 10K$ BRAW, no crop frame rates, and built in NDs sold me on URSA mini pro 12K. The only regret I have is that having BM isn’t as cool as having a RED, and it sucks that I either have to seek to fit in or enjoy my tool.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Ahh man end of the day you've got a solid, pretty future proof cam capable of producing some super nice images - ready to go straight out of the bag instead of needing building up/rigging all the time like Red's. Market perceptions of different brands can be super annoying but I feel like that's changing a bit and will be less and less of a thing as time goes on. Good motivation to go shoot some work that looks better than what other people have shot on Red;)
@williamsolis1
@williamsolis1 2 ай бұрын
RED are awesome and they have great tech. Definitely think the execution hasn't been the greatest hence the resale value. Curious to see what Nikon makes of it. Blackmagic are legit. Although there is a gap between the AUD $4k FF Cinema 6k and the $9k Ursa 12k. If they released a $6-7k faster sensor camera with like 14 stops DR, 4k 60 or 4k 120 uncropped. whether S35 or FF. then that would be great.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
100%. The sensors, menu design, codec, etc - a lot to love about RED, but of course a few aread they could do better. Basically never having a camera with good audio is kinda outrageous. Good points about Blackmagic! The Pyxis looks interesting.. but not sure what itll be like to operate having everything on the side like that
@laserfliptoboneless
@laserfliptoboneless 2 ай бұрын
A RED DoP was rude to me on set, I was the editor.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Wouldnt mind seeing a video on this hey.. an airing of grievances
@anthonyrock5039
@anthonyrock5039 2 ай бұрын
Hehe yeah. That would be a good series as well. "Angry DOPs and the cameras they operate" then again as 98% of cams are from rental houses would be a difficult one.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
@@anthonyrock5039 the internets just begging for it
@makemovieordie2154
@makemovieordie2154 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Do you have audio on Red Dragon?
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Cheers! And yeh.. realised after posting this I should of talked a bit more about audio. So yes.. I've done a lot of testing in this area, and in the end basically have come to the conclusion that products like the Rode Video Mic Pro, Video Mic NTG, and Wireless Pro's are the types of products that will work best with Reds. The preamps in the cameras are super weak.. so you really need to be sending to the camera the strongest signal possible. So to me XLR shotgun mics just always came in too low.. even with things like an 'A-box'. All those mics I mentioned above - you can boost the volume on the mic - and that helps you get useable audio straight from camera
@makemovieordie2154
@makemovieordie2154 2 ай бұрын
I tried many things to make the audio work but still unsuccessful. I wanted to ask if you can do a video about audio on Red Dragon (setting, cables etc) because there is not much information about it. Thank you and all the best🤝.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
@@makemovieordie2154 Ok cool not sure when but will add it to the list of future videos! One other thing worth trying - a 3.5mm stereo to mono adaptor - Its a small plug that makes sure its only a mono signal going in - that can sometimes help too
@makemovieordie2154
@makemovieordie2154 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info I will try definitely. All the best 👍 and waiting for the new videos 📼
@WheresWinks
@WheresWinks 2 ай бұрын
Can you do like a video on why I’m a wanker
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Your request has been lodged. It will be my most in depth rant yet.
@dhruvbahri7665
@dhruvbahri7665 8 күн бұрын
where is the best 2nd hand market place for RED especially dragon
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 8 күн бұрын
Facebook Marketplace(and the Red groups on there), Reduser.net, Newlifecine.com - those are main ones I know of. A lot of good deals around, but of course always do some research
@coin777
@coin777 2 ай бұрын
It would look more natural. If you had the key light, lighting your face from the side of the motivated lighting.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
I agree! Next one I'll switch it the other side and give that a spin
@darkhorse29-yx8qh
@darkhorse29-yx8qh Ай бұрын
only the color stands out
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms Ай бұрын
Framerates and Red Raw also to be fair
@robertruffo2134
@robertruffo2134 2 ай бұрын
Dude, just do same day conversion to prores from RAW if they're dumb enough to ask for something that is way less flexible in post.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Haha I do offer that funnily enough, super easy to batch things out in Resolve. Reality is.. I'd say on 70% of my shoots data is dumped on the day and then out of my hands
@robertruffo2134
@robertruffo2134 2 ай бұрын
@@calebgrahamfilms My heart goes out to you. Producers who know nothing about tech should stop making tech decisions. 4K Prores even plays back slower on any PC younger than 2008
@phrasalsyntax
@phrasalsyntax 2 ай бұрын
Nice sober video comparing different camera eras and looks. I think Australian company Blackmagic will become the new RED.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Cheers, that was the goal! I think at the end of the day everyones out there just trying to get the best cam for the budget to help them level up in some way, so trying to come from that angle with these. I hope so, Im stoked to see the success of Blackmagic so far! I think they just need to listen to people out in the field (Not like Red have done with audio on their cameras haha)
@axeffect2293
@axeffect2293 2 ай бұрын
Would you recommend like the komodo x or komodo for documentary work? Or Red Gemini maybe? Considering variable natural light conditions ?
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Interesting question! So I've been really enjoying the Komodo for Doc work. The Meike variable ND, a sigma 18-35/50-100 set of lenses - and using a Ninja-V monitor with a cheap SSD inside for backup recordings (Angelbird cards I would say are less trustworthy that the older Red-Mags) - thats been a great all rounder setup for me. I haven't used a Komodo-X - but the same would apply to that. The Gemini - many would still rate that as one of the nicest sensors Red has produced, and also really popular for Doc work - so a great option if you can get your hands on one for a good price. Gemini Pros: Nicer image, better lowlight performance. Cons: Heavier, Draws more power. Hope that helps!
@axeffect2293
@axeffect2293 2 ай бұрын
@@calebgrahamfilms lovely! Thanks for your perspective and advice!! Subscribed to you!
@InfamousStar1
@InfamousStar1 12 күн бұрын
I own Monstro, Gemini and Komodo - and I would say Gemini would be the best option for you for any doc-type work.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 11 күн бұрын
@@InfamousStar1 Agreed! I know a lot of the UFC and Nat Geo films are shot on Gemini, great cams that I hope people don't forget about
@colourberry
@colourberry 2 ай бұрын
Red user and love your footage. You have a good eye. Some thoughts I have on a couple of points. I dont beleive Arri when they claim that they wait to release tech because they are "thoroughly testing it". I believe they playing catchup on digital technology and Red had a massive headstart and still does. It doesnt take that long to test a camera, they only do so many things and when turned on they do the same things each time. Testing in heat etc doesnt take the year it took Arri to even get to 4K. Also on the Arri topic, people are sheep especially new film school students so thats going to account for a chunk of the choices. But the main reason Arri is big in cinema is very simple. They always were. All those pro DOP's that have been shooting the films we watch were mostly using Arri film cameras until one day the studios said switch to digital and they had to. So of course they chose Arri, the brand they trusted for decades. Why would they change even when Red was and still is way better. It was a big switch for them and in the midst of that switch who would change brands...
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Cheers for the comment! Yeah all fair points and I definitely agree Arri has a bit of an unfair.. I guess you would call it 'prestige reputation bias'.. that is a bit more subjective rather than factual. I think they only make sense as a camera choice when you are operating in the budget range where the daily rental of a camera is in the scheme of things a small part of the budget. So I agree on what you're talking about. But I will say.. the other thing to keep in mind is I think sometimes Red have placed too much emphasis on high resolutions. Anecdotally - I think its fair to say the end image out of a 2.8k Alexa Mini, would stand up against a - for example - 6k Camera from other manufacturers like Red or Blackmagic. There is a bit of testing out there to support this kind of theory - eg some of the testing done in reports like this: 24x7.com.au/mtf-camera-comparison/ So I guess thats what I was basing my one liner about testing off - that sometimes it can feel like there is more to 'perceived sharpness and resolution' than just bringing out cameras with more k's like Red do. But thats just one aspect of what makes a great image, and there's a bunch of great films shot on Red that show they are up there with any other cinema camera and can produce super nice images.
@SHDEdits
@SHDEdits 2 ай бұрын
When everything is perfect, nothing is
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
Haha yep, we're spoiled for choice and clutching at straws when comparing whats out there TBH
@shueibdahir
@shueibdahir 2 ай бұрын
It's not really rocket science. Modern sensor such as the one in the Komodo process the image on-chip before it's encoded digitally. We have Sony to thank for that development. Sensors haven't really gotten better since 2010. They've just been ironing out the "flaws" that concern the noise floor. I've noticed that the more you mess with the noise floor the more "flat" your image tends to look even in raw. Only positive development I've seen mostly concerns the On-Chip Analog to Digital converters. Also the Komodo no longer uses JPEG 2000 wavelet compression, but instead the Discrete Cosine Transform compression which is the same one used in Prores and h.264. Since the amount of data at 4k/8k is becoming ginormous, lossy compression is becoming a "must" So yeah, things haven't really been getting better. That's why you prefer the dragon image more.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms 2 ай бұрын
You've got me covered in the tech department haha, solid insight✊ Definitely all makes sense, I need to learn more about some of this - it all definitely helps cut through the 'marketing noise' a bit which is really just how brands people buying their newest cameras. Cheers for taking the time to explain
@2424rocket
@2424rocket Ай бұрын
Could you make your review any duller! You sound like you’re on Painkillers.
@calebgrahamfilms
@calebgrahamfilms Ай бұрын
Lol cheers Allen✌
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