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Tengri, Umay and Turkic Religion | Khan's Podcast Episode 2

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You are perhaps already familiar with the Turks and their religions. Over the millennia, they converted to various beliefs, including Judaism, Christianity, Manicheism, Buddhism and finally Islam. But contrary to popular belief, the original Turkish religion was Tengrism. Its pantheon included Tengri, the prime deity and supreme ruler of the sky, as well as Umay, mother earth, and Erlik, guardian of the underworld. The Turks further believed in the Tree of Life, the Yer-Su Earth-Water spirits as well as the afterlife - but in a way that differentiates their belief from monotheistic religions.
But is Tengrism then a monotheistic religion at all? Should we rather compare it to polytheistic religions like those of the Greeks, Vikings, Egyptians and Sumerians?
In the second episode of our new podcast, we are going to outline this belief system with all of its most important aspects, as well as explore its history and philosophy.
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@KhansDen
@KhansDen Жыл бұрын
Our podcast is now also available on SPOTIFY and Apple Podcasts! Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/2VAUxzScsyBNfR6ZK1Alfi Apple: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/khans-podcast/id1675744095
@papazataklaattiranimam
@papazataklaattiranimam Жыл бұрын
About Tengrism in Bulgaria: There are two direct references to Tangra as a Bulgar deity in the sources. One is found in an Ottoman manuscript where it is stated that the name of god in Bulgarian was “Tängri” (Bułghar dilindžä Tängri der).201 The other is in a badly-damaged inscription (carved on a marble column) which commemorates a sacrifice made by Omurtag“to the god Tangra” (κὲ ἐπύησ]εν θυσ[ήαν ἠς τὸν θεὸ]ν Ταγγραν).202 The inscription was found at the rocky cliff of Madara, a site that is commonly associated with the Tangra cult. It is worth remarking that according to ancient Inner Asian religious traditions, the favour of heaven had to manifest itself in the possession of “sacred mountains”. There the qaghan was thought to be closer to Tängri; he could therefore conduct “privileged conversations with him” and receive or transmit his orders.203 It is not unlikely that the site of Madara played a similar role in Bulgaria.204 To be sure, below the relief of the horseman archaeolo gists unearthed the foundations of a complex comprising of what seems to have been a pagan shrine (built on top of a three-aisled church dated to the sixth and seventh centuries), as well as a building with three divisions, which has been interpreted as a dwelling Amongst other things, it has been sug gested that the latter was a kind of private quarter for the ruler from which he seems to have directed the cult of Tangra, the ceremonial sacrifices and. quite possibly, the collective prayers. While Tangra is very likely to have been worshiped by certain Bulgar groups/clans before their migration to the Balkans, his promotion to the supreme god of the elite and. in a sense, the official religion of the Proto bulgarian state coincides in time with the gradual centralization of political power, a process that is rightly connected with Krum's and Omurtag's reigns in the early ninth century. Indeed, the ideology associated with the wor ship of Tangra was bound to enhance monarchical rulership. Just as Tangra was the supreme celestial being, the khan-his reflection-was regarded as rightfully the sole sovereign on earth or, at any rate. in the Bulgar state (an idea which finds clear expression in Omurtag's building inscription from Catalar). The ideology of a strong, divinely-sanctioned leadership clearly bears much of the credit for the survival of the khanate during this period. The certainties which this system of beliefs and values presented to the warrior aristocracy, if not to the entire population, the aura of sanctity surrounding the ruler, the awareness of heavenly support granted to military undertakings (an awareness reinforced through the regular performance of religious ritu als and ceremonials while on campaign)." all immeasurably strengthened the unity of the state and the political will of its subjects to survive. Another factor operative in the transition to Tangrist henotheism at this time may have been the fear of Byzantine imperialism. Foreign influences, as scholars have long pointed out, often paved the way for the adoption of a more sophisticated faith among nomads. However, this was rarely the reli gion of their imperial neighbours, for such a course invariably implied sub mission to the authority of the rulers of these states." The Bulgars, realizing that conversion to Islam or Judaism was not a viable option, and mindful of the influence the Byzantine Church could exercise on the khan's Christian subjects, had little choice but to promote Tangra as their supreme deity." It is important to emphasize that the late eighth/early ninth century marked the period of transition to henotheism only for the upper strata of the Bulgar society. Vigorous polytheism and totemism (i.e. the existence of an intimate, "mystical" relationship between a group or an individual and a natural object), both of which were incapable of furnishing a principle of spiritual (and political) unity, proved to be persistent and strong among the masses." This is also true of shamanism, a complex belief system espe cially common in Central and Inner Asian societies, but also discernible in the khanate in the pre-conversion period. Shamanism has been defined by anthropologists as a technique of ecstasy. By mastering this technique and reaching a state of trance the shaman was able to mediate between the world of humans and that of spirits. He thus functioned as a magician, prophet and healer who, among other things, had to "descend to the underworld" to find and bring back a sick person's soul. Given that most aspects of daily life in Eurasia were directly linked with the spiritual world-for instance. the life-supporting economic activities, from hunting to husbandry to agri culture, were thought to be protected by spirits-the role of the shaman was bound to be extremely important." Before we proceed any further, a piece of essential explanation: shaman ism has been a popular subject of accounts and research since the early eighteenth century. Although it is correctly believed that the shaman's technique of ecstasy and mode of operation are basically uniform through out Central and Inner Asia, it is impossible to construct a uniform model of shamanism as an institution. Further (and partly as a result of the above). it would be perilous to equate the modern "ethnographic shaman" with the religious specialists noted among historical Eurasian peoples. In this light. any attempt to investigate the development of this phenomenon in medieval steppe-nomad societies, including Bulgaria, is bound to be inconclusive. We have only fleeting glimpses of Bulgar shamanism in our sources. Sophoulis, P., 2011. Byzantium and Bulgaria, 775-831. Leiden: Brill, pp.84, 85, 86, 87.
@naturealbums
@naturealbums Жыл бұрын
​This sounds amazing more like what I always felt about the reality and importance of nature I'm surprised we as Turks ever accepted Islam likely forced on us. I was born in Istanbul lived in the UK most of my life my parents were both not so religious more Ataturk lovers so I wasn't indoctrinated with religion as some. Excellent channel it's cool that you've done so much research.
@youknow8653
@youknow8653 Жыл бұрын
Turks accepted islam via the perisan scholars. Thats why turks are hanafi. (Except azerbaijan)
@burcinalkan7559
@burcinalkan7559 Жыл бұрын
I feel exactly the same!
@noahdeboer1360
@noahdeboer1360 5 ай бұрын
I thought the tengrist were very accepting to other religions so that might be why they turned islam?
@epsilonxvi5675
@epsilonxvi5675 2 ай бұрын
They was force by Persian to be accepted in Ottoman after the collapsed of Mongol empire.
@nomanor7987
@nomanor7987 Жыл бұрын
Should Tengrism replace Islam for Turks?
@lichking9510
@lichking9510 Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@f.k.2965
@f.k.2965 Жыл бұрын
Definitely, YESSSSS
@alperensarisaltuk5510
@alperensarisaltuk5510 Жыл бұрын
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@robertomassa731
@robertomassa731 Жыл бұрын
YES INDEED! AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!
@SD-df3kn
@SD-df3kn Жыл бұрын
YES!
@olalamalo
@olalamalo 4 ай бұрын
I am a Turk. I converted to our own religion, TENGRİ. 🤟🇹🇷🤟
@giiiizmo
@giiiizmo Жыл бұрын
Love your videos! It is still bizzare to me how Islam has become the 'ruling' religion in Turkey, after hearing all this information about the different beliefs and religions, especially Tengrism.
@Kul-tegin
@Kul-tegin Жыл бұрын
The Turk religion was pretty much identical in aspect and concept to Chinese folk religion interestingly. Both worshipped heaven/sky (Tengri/Tian) as the central figure, the worship of spirits of nature, the ancestors, and so on. In general heaven worship was central to all East Asian cultures, in China, Tibet, Korea, and Mongolia. Maybe Japan too.
@TonyfromTO
@TonyfromTO Жыл бұрын
I feel tengrism is necessary and analogous to many more global preabrahamic theological ideas
@paulmears5330
@paulmears5330 Жыл бұрын
Another winner! Your podcasts are excellent; very digestible bits of knowledge!
@alshin007
@alshin007 Жыл бұрын
Tanirim Jarilkasin Aruaktar Koldasin 🇰🇿
@Gunes-ve-Han-SoHee
@Gunes-ve-Han-SoHee 3 ай бұрын
Böyle böyle büyüyecek bu kanal. Lütfen bırakma♥
@hoslabara2703
@hoslabara2703 Жыл бұрын
I think Turkic God Tanri is Shiva and Umay is Parvati. Tanri Sign is like Trident Shape and Umaa is another name of Parvati
@mahendrapatel3503
@mahendrapatel3503 7 ай бұрын
I am indian.most of central cast lives in india.on of tormana and shakad.and huna.
@MrPink-qf1xi
@MrPink-qf1xi Жыл бұрын
It is also important to point out the importance of a ruller god or a supreme god when it comes to politics of people. The ruler almost always legitimize themselves from a boon or ancestery from these deities. Examples, Japanese emperors claims ancestry from Amaterasu(Sun goddess) China claims Mandate of Haven(Sometimes ancestry from Dragons), Germanic people's rulling class claim ancestry from Odin in case of scandinavians or Wotan in case of Anglos and Saxons, every Greek hero or king has a god in their family line(Mostly Zeus) etc. So the centralization of these supreme gods could be more about the beliefs or propaganda of the Elite and not the common people. I think the easiest way to understand what Turkic people might have believed back in ancient times is to looking at still living traditions and beliefs of Turkic peoples like Altays, indigenous Siberian beliefs, beliefs of neighboring people and Shintoism of Japan. For example according to the archaeological finds, ancient Siberian people seems to believe in a land of shadows at the North(Kara Yön) where all the dead went regardless of their actions, it has some similarities with Yomi(Shinto underworld) and Hel in Norse Mythology.
@NoMadMediaProductions
@NoMadMediaProductions Жыл бұрын
‘Tengrism’ - is a new term. As with the saying Golden Horde. The state was called Ulus of Jochi/Ulug Ulus, and golden horde (Altyn Ordo - golden tent) was his residence. “Türk’ or Turuq is not an ethnic term, but a religious one. In other words a tengrist was called a turk.
@Kul-tegin
@Kul-tegin 9 ай бұрын
What's your evidence that Turk was a religious name? I'd claim that it was a political name for a confederation of tribes, most of whom were Turkic tribes.
@nukhetyavuz
@nukhetyavuz 9 ай бұрын
ece not ehe...and once she misread neareast as middleeast
@papazataklaattiranimam
@papazataklaattiranimam Жыл бұрын
*TANGRA*
@derhutchenspieler2838
@derhutchenspieler2838 Жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@Khagun.
@Khagun. Жыл бұрын
All under heaven, oh Great Tengri, the sun moon and the trident/ (diving falcon ),flies in all flags of all nations, we have done as u have commanded, we have spread our bloodlines far, now more then half the world bears your mark of blessing, all their kings and holy men carry our bloodlines, we have torn down towers of those who say only us, we have infused the blood lines of the meek and they have truely inherited the earth, oh holy one, the blue bloods marked by your hand as we are born, the world will once more find peace in these turbulent times in the hands of the children of Mongol mark. * the seers and medicine man rejoice in all the glory. In silence the monpas have made the world ready to be as one under one divine mark. ® all under heaven all equal the holy trinity of man women and child under you and that all understanding and human achievement comes only from the holy trinity of knowledge, will and action.
@user.2124
@user.2124 Жыл бұрын
🔥☁️☁️☁️ ☀️ ☁️☁️☁️🔥
@mustiyka5385
@mustiyka5385 Жыл бұрын
Tengri Biz Mennen 🇹🇷🇦🇿🇹🇲🇰🇿🇺🇿🇰🇬
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