so true !

honest but ignorant if he really believes what he saying

i love Celibidache also

​@@alfredduckett aren't we all?

​@alfredduckett ignorant in what aspect?

Actually there shouldn't be any legacy at all.

Agreed. My favorite version of this beautiful concerto. Unbelievable results. It's perfect.

Same here. I thought this was a skilled and intelligent interviewer, who even got Celibidache interested a little.

Thank you!

Hahahah😆I would advise the one who said these words to listen again (attentively!) to the last minutes of Mahler's 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and "Das Lied von der Erde"

I think it should be Bruckner who knows how to start a symphony but not how to conclude it. 😊But Celi is a big-time Bruckner expert!

@@left-hander9628He’s right! Mahler’s endings are overblown nonsense, from the banal repetition of the first, the I don’t know how to stop it fluff of the second, to the circus-music finale of the fifth. Only the eighth is harmonically satisfying.

Nonsense.

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And he meant it, he was interested in as diverse subjects as certain Hindu sects (that's how many Indians got to know him and his music), he was looking at the world and individuals all the time, just when it came to music the curtains fell and viewers meant nothing, only the music

A good interviewer would always adapt to what the interviewee is saying and this interview is as though the interviewer isn’t listening to Celi speak, but rather just asking the questions he had prepared, which are very condescending. He also tries to put Celi in a negative light, but Celi never fell for it, and he gave excellent and honest answers. I don’t agree with everything, especially what he says about the audience, or Mahler (“he always starts properly but doesn’t know how to end, and he lacks form or architecture ”) but I appreciate his honesty Celi is different to the rest and very unique. The fact that he said that he doesn’t have to rely on music to live and that music shouldn’t be a need is very fascinating, considering that pretty much every other musician says “music is a way of life and I can’t live without music” etcetc

Per Nørgård - Danish composer.

@@HenrikengelbrechtDk thank u/ i tried ALL the phonetical versions FOR that name And couldnt

Thank u. I will Look him up; i knew about Mahler that he cannot follow as finishing up The flow of The symphonical verse, but Norgard, i hâd No idea; isnt this a mystery that Celibidache asserted The unseen SIDE of the Human Ear?

20:21 Weber or Webern?

@@mariusfelixlange6709 Webern. He did several Weber overtures with the Munich Phil but I don’t think he ever did Webern

Northern Europeans! I have lived in both Northern and Southern Europe, and I can tell from experience that talking bad about things that are wrong - aka being honest - is considered: - normal in Southern Europe - rude in Northern Europe So who said he is in a bad mood? Well: the interviewer who has posted this video! And he is from Northern Europe!

@Canardeur It's not the same interviewer who has downloaded this. This interview is 44 years old.

@@novagerio Aw yes, you are right. However, the poster is still from Northern Europe, which makes my explanation still valid.

@Canardeur the Danish interviewer seems very relaxed, and so does Celibidache. An interview with him could at times be much more violent.

i think the interviewer was good

You judge the master when you reach his level. You are an ignorant, you don't understand anything..

❤ he is wonderful, albeit at times slower than Karajan, might be an interpretational thing, Karajan tended to go faster, Furtwängler being another case. Yet I would have been a very frightened musician in front of him, see the cases in Munich 😅

Ignorant means stupid and this is right!

of musical phenomenology. They approach music with tradition and preconceived notions, External elements. Whereas celibidache came to music from within the sound itself. They are Completely different approaches that cannot be synthesized. That's why most either are exclusively celibidache fans. or exclusively others fans. I try to appreciate both, but always as distinct, never comparing them. The act of listening phenomenology (which must be learned - there are many videos online, from celi and his students. Jordi Mora, Markland Thakar, peter Bastian, Konrad Von Abel, Francesco Gioia, Christyna Kaczynski-Kozel and more) is entirely different from listening emotionally \intellectually \ pleasurably, not better or worse, just different. The confusion people have in the whole celibidache thing is a result of listening with the wrong ears. It goes both ways. and yes, celibidache was an ego maniac.

It is a remark between conductors, not necessarily addressed to influence the public. He admitted in a later written interview he was a big mouth...

@@1celibidache224 for example, phenomenology means that anyone can talk about Celibidache with small letters and the others so called " conductors " with big letters: nothing more to say about yourself and selfesteem, good luck anyway in life..

Because this youtuber is the same intelligent like the reporter who asked Celibidache there..

If your opinion cames from your brain then you have to consolt your heart!

Télex from Toscanini (Heaven) to Celidibache (Munich): Dear Sergiu! We have read you in the Spiegel. You get on our nerves, but we forgive you. We have no choice anyway; forgiveness is in style Up Here. Potatosack Karli made some objection, but after Kna[1] and I had a heart-to-heart talk with him, he stopped whinning. Wilhelm [2] now all of a sudden insist that he has never even heard of you. Papa Josef, Wolfgang Amadeus, Ludwig, Johannes and Anton [3] all prefer the second violins on the right and claim that your tempi are all wrong. But actually, they don't really give a damn about it. Up Here, we are not supposed to give a damn about anything. The Boss does not allow it. An old Zen master who lives next door says you got all wrong about Zen Buddhism. Bruno [4] is totally cracked up by your comments. I have the suspicion that he secretly shares your views about me and Karli. Maybe you could say something mean about him for a change; otherwise, he feels so left out. I hate to break it to you, but everybody up here is crazy about Herbert. In fact, the other conductors are a little jealous of him. We can't wait to welcome him up here in fifteen or twenty years. Too bad you can't be with us then. But people say that where you will go the cuisine is much better, and the orchestras down there never stop rehearsing. They even make little mistakes on purpose, so that you can have a chance to correct them for all eternity. I'm sure you will like that, Sergiu. Up here, the angels read the composer's minds. We conductors only have to listen. Only God knows why I'm here. Have lots of fun, In old friendship, Arturo. This satyrical letter to Celibidache published on Der Spiegel is attributed to Carlos Kleiber. The letter was a reply to Celibidache’s comments about other conductors, past and present. About Karajan, he had said he was “horrible”, and called Karl Böhm (the Karlin in the letter), “a sack of potatos”. Other victims of Celibidache’s sharp tongue were the then young Claudio Abbado (”totally bereft of any talent”) and Riccardo Muti (”talented but ignorant”). It must be said that Kleiber wasn’t among the conductors attacked by Celibidache. Translations of this letter abound. This one can be found here. [1] Hans Knappertsbuch [2] Wilhelm Fürtwangler [3] Obviously Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms and Bruckner [4] Bruno Walter.

@@left-hander9628 Whoever wrote that letter was spot on.

He is indeed too bitter at times. You can argue that he was better than HvK, Bernstein, etc. etc. and thus his bitterness towards them was valid. Okay. But he was bitter towards Beethoven (his ninth!) and Mahler (all symphonies and almost all vocal pieces). Is he really better than Beethoven and Mahler? Bernstein hated Bruckner, was Bernstein too bitter? And was Bruckner really better than Beethoven and Mahler?

Why was invited everywhere to talk about then?

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