Had a Kimber Mountain rifle in 270 Win I spent lots of money on. No matter what ammo I shot through it it wouldn't group small than 1.7 inches. Picked up a used Savage Model 110 in 270 winchester that was in poor shape on the outside but the bore was great for less than 300 clams. The Savage shot almost everything sub MOA. Sometimes we don't pick the rifle... It picks us. Lets say that Kimber is going to a new owner and my beat up ugly cheap Savage pawn shop find is taking its place.

“The other gun hates it” I’m pretty sure that rifle hates every load

A little trick you can try if your factory ammo is NOT crimped - I took some Norma factory ammo that was not shooting well in my Tikka 308. Tried seating the bullet slightly deeper and WOW, 0.3s on 3 different days, 3 shot groups. So, I took all 5 boxes of the ammo I had on hand, all same LOT #, and seated all the bullets a little deeper, another 15 thousandths. Did the trick

I’ve got four Winchester models 70’s and everyone of them is a tack driver. The first thing I would do is to check and make sure all of the screws are tight. Three of the model 70’s are made in Portugal and one is made in the good old USA. I see no drop off in quality or performance.

The model 70 is a really good rifle. Float your barrel, bed your stock, muzzle break it, and lighten your trigger!!! You will shoot much better groups. And later on move to hand loading as to have each round exact. It takes several things for precision!! Especially at long distances. But its more the rifle needing work than the ammo. But until you reload you wont be cutting bullet holes often.

Terminal ascent is my go to in 308. I’ve got some for the 06 but haven’t worked it in yet. The bullets perform way better on game as well especially at distance 3-500

Just goes to show you never know what a particular rifle is going to like. Just on a complete whim I picked up a box of 308, 175 grain terminal ascent the other day and tried it yesterday in my rifle. Quite impressed with the accuracy. It definitely shot sub-moa

I have a Win M 70 push feed from the 1960 's .. Barrel bedding and trigger job 0.5 MOA with factory ammo 30-06 Had 3 Win M 70 CRF all had to be sent out for Accuracy job including RE - Barreling with Bartlein .... Also my Rem 700 sucked all sent out !! American factory tooling down the tube..I own a Tikka Veil lite action amazing shoots well stock sucks... Thinking about Sako...stock also sucks NOW Ruger Precision , Tikka TAC A1 , and Sig Precision rifle .. ALL tack drivers out of the box.. Don't need a thing... My 16 yo son and I both drilled a spray paint can at 1000 yards at SIG Academy in New Hampshire..Factory rifles factory Sig ammo 6.5 CRD Great place to spend a day with your family or friends... Learned a lot

To say the Savage is a better shooting rifle than the Winchester is a relative statement and should be stated as, “ The Savage is a better shooting rifle than the Winchester for this particular ammo brand and type. “ Nice looking guns and thanks for the video!😁

I was excited to see this video as these were the two loads that I was planning to run for my .308 win Ridgeline. I had the inverse experience. Bondstrike wouldn't group below 1.4" moa, while the terminal ascent held right at .75 moa. My rifle normally eats Sig match 168 gfain ammo and prints .5 moa or a tad lower, but I wanted to go as heavy for caliber without sacrificing much accuracy. I wanted to love the Bondstrike as I wanted to go as heavy for caliber as possible with good accuracy but the TA won out. Thanks for the content!

Lightweight rifles can sometimes shoot much better if you're holding the foreend tightly when you shoot, so it doesn't flick up in the air under recoil. If you just passively rest it across a sandbag they can group much worse.

I’ve had great luck with grouping the Norma whitetail I’ve tried, in 6.5 creedmoor and 243. Both grouped in the realm of a half inch.

You not the only one that had issues with Winchester/Browning I have a feeling the new manufacturing facility is not as good. Just a speculation.

Don't feel too bad my 270win hates the terminal ascent, but loves the 130 and 150 federal fusions and remington corelokts. Go cheap ammo😂

That model 70 will shoot just as well as any other hunting rifle with the right load. Mine loves the 180g sst. If you hand load for it, it will be the best shoting rifle you own.

I bought a Kimber in 3006. This was before Covid ammo was reasonable. I spent over 200$ on premium and non premium ammo. NOTHING CAME CLOSE TO MOA. I HAND LOADED IT with 180 swift sirrocos and IMR 4350. 1/2”. So much for the MOA guarantee. 😂

I had a new Remington model 7 22 250. I couldn't get it to shoot anything hardly. I ended up selling it. Hope u do some testing with your 300 wby.

Id say that either ammo is capable, though I'm wondering if both those .30-06s have the same twist rate

Looks like a fun day anyway!

Would be cool to see the Hornady 180 grain SST.

It breaks my heart to see those cheaper guns out shooting the more expensive guns. I have 3 Ruger Americans and I can say this because there mine. The quality is junk but they shoot excellent.

I would say check the bedding and the stock barrel inlet on that Model 70. Quality control on production Model 70’s of late I pretty pathetic. I just had a client bring in a new, never shot Model 70 Safari Express in .375 H&H for a complete facelift, ie polish, engraving, re stock with exhibition grade Bastogne walnut and rust blue. The thing out of the box is atrocious and as ugly as a mud fence. It’ll shoot a 3 shot one hole group a 50 yards when I’m done with it…guaranteed!

Savage and Tikka rifles have a proven accuracy reputation. However I love the look and feel of the Mod 70 Featherweight but I’ve found accuracy can be a hit n miss kinda thing. The older Mod 70 Ultimate Shadows were real tack drivers. I had experience with a couple of 270wsm’s, two 300wsm’s and a 325wsm. All will shoot 2-3 or more brands of ammo at 1” or 1.2”. I’ve never seen one, yet, shoot a 2” group or more. They are great rifles and I often wonder why Win quit making them.

The random flyer is pretty common with factory loads using copper or hybrid bullets like the Ascent, in my experience. By hybrid I mean that the Ascent is approx. a bonded bullet regarding the ogive and a copper bullet regarding the shank. Very few of these commercial loads can do 1 MOA or better with some rifles. This is not good for 2 reasons: 1) the flyer can be way off the expected impact point already at 100 yards where it can be acceptable but not for longer range; 2) they are expensive for what they offer. So I only consider these bullets for reloading. The Norma BondStrike on the other end might not be ideal in general as well (because of the extreme shape and length of the bullet) but at least it only results in a more uniform and usable 1.25-1.5 MOA, in the worst case. 1 MOA or better is far more common even with cheap rifles. Obviously to use it as intended (i.e. long range hunting load) it needs to shoot better than 1 MOA, IMHO.

I really like that terminal ascent bullet. With factory loads my waypoint 2020 CF 308 was less accurate than you 06(2.6 to 3 in 5 shot groups). My 270 was Ok but a lot better with other options. My 6.5CR shoots really well with terminal ascent bullets.

A very timely video considering i bought a couple boxes of the terminal ascent tor my 6.5prc vanguard, and I already have norma bondstrike. My vanguard is so accurate with everything I've fed it so far, I'd be surprised if I don't get at least good hunting accuracy with both.

Start with the basics if you havent already--clean barrel, re-locktite scope, check bedding. Put it on an actual shooting sled and start at 50yrds. Maybe you can get the nice ammo to perform. Has anything worked for it?

A bore scope of that gun is needed !

Did you get chronograph velocity on either of these cartridges? Just curious to see if there was any substantial difference between the two.

Why only three shot groups? Did you get velocity? I got some Norma I will be testing. Next week! Love the bullet.

I just bought a new Winchester model 70 Featherweight in .30-06 . Have not shot it yet but I have a few boxes each of Federal Premium 165 grain Nosler Partitions , HSM 168 grain Berger VLD Hybrid hunting , and some Nosler 165 grain NBT’s … I hope to hell I get better results than you just did . Spent $1,300 on the rifle and $300 on a scope ( Leupold VX Freedom 3-9x40) plus $75 on Talley bases/ rings plus tax and I’m in it for $1,792.00 ! The rifle is sexy as hell but if it doesn’t group worth a damn then what good is it ? I hope it works out , you always gotta be cautious about sporter rifles with light whip barrel profiles. 🤞

I'm surprised you're having these issues with the Winchester... Any idea on what could be causing the poor accuracy?

30-06 without muzzle brake and light rifle has too much felt recoil for me on the benchrest.

The Winchester M70 is it a New Haven gun or Portugal gun?

Does anyone know how these two bullets compare when it comes to hunting and the effect on game?

How does he like the Axis stock?

35 Whelen vs 9.3x62! Attempt #2!

I've never owned a 30-06 that wasn't sub .5 moa

I had a model 70 once, it hated everything too 🚮

Win model 70s featherweights are the worst for accuracy savages are not much better.

Im a bondstrike fan

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you complain all the time you M70 is not the most accurate rifle but have you tried accurizing it? or are you just going to bitch about it forever?