In this video I take two rifles to the range both chambered in 30-06 to see which bullets it likes. I'm shooting Federal Terminal Ascent and Norma Bondstrike ammo. Hope you enjoy the video!
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@lancepugh60819 ай бұрын
Had a Kimber Mountain rifle in 270 Win I spent lots of money on. No matter what ammo I shot through it it wouldn't group small than 1.7 inches. Picked up a used Savage Model 110 in 270 winchester that was in poor shape on the outside but the bore was great for less than 300 clams. The Savage shot almost everything sub MOA. Sometimes we don't pick the rifle... It picks us. Lets say that Kimber is going to a new owner and my beat up ugly cheap Savage pawn shop find is taking its place.
@edwardabrams49725 ай бұрын
Kimber is over rated having collected rifles for 60+ years the Kimber rifles and pistols are trying to live off their reputation which isn’t getting any better! I have owned many of their rifles and pistols and their fit and finish is a joke and their quality is too! Called their customer service on a brand new pistol that I was shooting brand new premium ammo and it kept jamming over and over! Their service rep accused me of doing something to have caused it and said it wasn’t covered! I took it to a top gunsmith and he had it fixed in an hour and said he gets this all the time from Kimber! Be warned😳
@JonRangel879 ай бұрын
“The other gun hates it” I’m pretty sure that rifle hates every load
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
Sadly yes
@derekmcmurry9 ай бұрын
A little trick you can try if your factory ammo is NOT crimped - I took some Norma factory ammo that was not shooting well in my Tikka 308. Tried seating the bullet slightly deeper and WOW, 0.3s on 3 different days, 3 shot groups. So, I took all 5 boxes of the ammo I had on hand, all same LOT #, and seated all the bullets a little deeper, another 15 thousandths. Did the trick
@robertmattern20788 ай бұрын
I’ve got four Winchester models 70’s and everyone of them is a tack driver. The first thing I would do is to check and make sure all of the screws are tight. Three of the model 70’s are made in Portugal and one is made in the good old USA. I see no drop off in quality or performance.
@tomtom335595 ай бұрын
The model 70 is a really good rifle. Float your barrel, bed your stock, muzzle break it, and lighten your trigger!!! You will shoot much better groups. And later on move to hand loading as to have each round exact. It takes several things for precision!! Especially at long distances. But its more the rifle needing work than the ammo. But until you reload you wont be cutting bullet holes often.
@ReloadingWeatherby5 ай бұрын
I almost never buy factory ammo. All I do is reload
@mtower2352 ай бұрын
Terminal ascent is my go to in 308. I’ve got some for the 06 but haven’t worked it in yet. The bullets perform way better on game as well especially at distance 3-500
@ccfdmd9 ай бұрын
Just goes to show you never know what a particular rifle is going to like. Just on a complete whim I picked up a box of 308, 175 grain terminal ascent the other day and tried it yesterday in my rifle. Quite impressed with the accuracy. It definitely shot sub-moa
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
Nice
@Timberdam5 ай бұрын
I have a Win M 70 push feed from the 1960 's .. Barrel bedding and trigger job 0.5 MOA with factory ammo 30-06 Had 3 Win M 70 CRF all had to be sent out for Accuracy job including RE - Barreling with Bartlein .... Also my Rem 700 sucked all sent out !! American factory tooling down the tube..I own a Tikka Veil lite action amazing shoots well stock sucks... Thinking about Sako...stock also sucks NOW Ruger Precision , Tikka TAC A1 , and Sig Precision rifle .. ALL tack drivers out of the box.. Don't need a thing... My 16 yo son and I both drilled a spray paint can at 1000 yards at SIG Academy in New Hampshire..Factory rifles factory Sig ammo 6.5 CRD Great place to spend a day with your family or friends... Learned a lot
@user-me3er7lm1oАй бұрын
To say the Savage is a better shooting rifle than the Winchester is a relative statement and should be stated as, “ The Savage is a better shooting rifle than the Winchester for this particular ammo brand and type. “ Nice looking guns and thanks for the video!😁
@ReloadingWeatherbyАй бұрын
Trust me Paul... I've shot a lot from both guns and the Savage is a much more accurate rifle.
@jordanr83129 ай бұрын
I was excited to see this video as these were the two loads that I was planning to run for my .308 win Ridgeline. I had the inverse experience. Bondstrike wouldn't group below 1.4" moa, while the terminal ascent held right at .75 moa. My rifle normally eats Sig match 168 gfain ammo and prints .5 moa or a tad lower, but I wanted to go as heavy for caliber without sacrificing much accuracy. I wanted to love the Bondstrike as I wanted to go as heavy for caliber as possible with good accuracy but the TA won out. Thanks for the content!
@simonholdsworth68672 ай бұрын
Lightweight rifles can sometimes shoot much better if you're holding the foreend tightly when you shoot, so it doesn't flick up in the air under recoil. If you just passively rest it across a sandbag they can group much worse.
@phild98139 ай бұрын
I’ve had great luck with grouping the Norma whitetail I’ve tried, in 6.5 creedmoor and 243. Both grouped in the realm of a half inch.
@phild98139 ай бұрын
Not ammunition I would hunt with unfortunately though.
@derekmcmurry9 ай бұрын
My Factory Tikka 300WM is shooting the 150 gr whitetail just about 1 hole at 100 yards and the 180 Bondstrke at 1/2"
@derekmcmurry9 ай бұрын
@@phild9813 I will be trying the Norma whitetail and Bondstrike this season on deer. 150 grain in the 300WM and my 308
@bigracer38679 ай бұрын
You not the only one that had issues with Winchester/Browning I have a feeling the new manufacturing facility is not as good. Just a speculation.
@craiglafosse80869 ай бұрын
Don't feel too bad my 270win hates the terminal ascent, but loves the 130 and 150 federal fusions and remington corelokts. Go cheap ammo😂
@wesleywhitworth24249 ай бұрын
That model 70 will shoot just as well as any other hunting rifle with the right load. Mine loves the 180g sst. If you hand load for it, it will be the best shoting rifle you own.
@Hondayo779 ай бұрын
model 70 will never shoot as well as a tikka or sako.
@wesleywhitworth24249 ай бұрын
@@Hondayo77 That is simply not true if we're only talking about group sizes in an ammo test. I own two ( and have owned several more) that make nice tight one hole groups at 100 yards when loaded properly. However, I'll be the first to admit, a Sako or Tikka can't be beat overall for nearly any hunting purpose. My comment was related to his saying the model 70 wasn't very accurate. Any competent hand loader could have that rifle performing well in an afternoon, provided there isn't a defect in the rifle.
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
This rifle is very picky. Not just with factory ammo. I've tried a lot of different bullets in handloads. So far it's only liked the 168 gr TTSX.
@wesleywhitworth24249 ай бұрын
Try 48g of 4895 topped with a 180 sst
@rogerramjet75672 ай бұрын
I bought a Kimber in 3006. This was before Covid ammo was reasonable. I spent over 200$ on premium and non premium ammo. NOTHING CAME CLOSE TO MOA. I HAND LOADED IT with 180 swift sirrocos and IMR 4350. 1/2”. So much for the MOA guarantee. 😂
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
Reloading is always better
@ozark_trapper2 ай бұрын
I had a new Remington model 7 22 250. I couldn't get it to shoot anything hardly. I ended up selling it. Hope u do some testing with your 300 wby.
@justahologram22309 ай бұрын
Id say that either ammo is capable, though I'm wondering if both those .30-06s have the same twist rate
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
They do
@justahologram22309 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby then Savage is making the argument very difficult for Winchester
@gunman-66469 ай бұрын
Looks like a fun day anyway!
@MUI_Shaggy019 ай бұрын
Would be cool to see the Hornady 180 grain SST.
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
Might have to try it
@donaldbougie6945 ай бұрын
The 180 gr sst is unbeatable in some rifle Browning,Winchester,Savage,Bergera,Nosler,ect,ect
@sugargoldy9 ай бұрын
It breaks my heart to see those cheaper guns out shooting the more expensive guns. I have 3 Ruger Americans and I can say this because there mine. The quality is junk but they shoot excellent.
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
Savage is a crappy rifle... but it shoots well lol
@bigracer38679 ай бұрын
Same for my axis!!!😂
@richardkramer10949 ай бұрын
I would say check the bedding and the stock barrel inlet on that Model 70. Quality control on production Model 70’s of late I pretty pathetic. I just had a client bring in a new, never shot Model 70 Safari Express in .375 H&H for a complete facelift, ie polish, engraving, re stock with exhibition grade Bastogne walnut and rust blue. The thing out of the box is atrocious and as ugly as a mud fence. It’ll shoot a 3 shot one hole group a 50 yards when I’m done with it…guaranteed!
@larrysayers13773 ай бұрын
Savage and Tikka rifles have a proven accuracy reputation. However I love the look and feel of the Mod 70 Featherweight but I’ve found accuracy can be a hit n miss kinda thing. The older Mod 70 Ultimate Shadows were real tack drivers. I had experience with a couple of 270wsm’s, two 300wsm’s and a 325wsm. All will shoot 2-3 or more brands of ammo at 1” or 1.2”. I’ve never seen one, yet, shoot a 2” group or more. They are great rifles and I often wonder why Win quit making them.
@p.r.80496 ай бұрын
The random flyer is pretty common with factory loads using copper or hybrid bullets like the Ascent, in my experience. By hybrid I mean that the Ascent is approx. a bonded bullet regarding the ogive and a copper bullet regarding the shank. Very few of these commercial loads can do 1 MOA or better with some rifles. This is not good for 2 reasons: 1) the flyer can be way off the expected impact point already at 100 yards where it can be acceptable but not for longer range; 2) they are expensive for what they offer. So I only consider these bullets for reloading. The Norma BondStrike on the other end might not be ideal in general as well (because of the extreme shape and length of the bullet) but at least it only results in a more uniform and usable 1.25-1.5 MOA, in the worst case. 1 MOA or better is far more common even with cheap rifles. Obviously to use it as intended (i.e. long range hunting load) it needs to shoot better than 1 MOA, IMHO.
@dietrichjohnson95563 ай бұрын
I really like that terminal ascent bullet. With factory loads my waypoint 2020 CF 308 was less accurate than you 06(2.6 to 3 in 5 shot groups). My 270 was Ok but a lot better with other options. My 6.5CR shoots really well with terminal ascent bullets.
@wheelchairhillbilly9 ай бұрын
A very timely video considering i bought a couple boxes of the terminal ascent tor my 6.5prc vanguard, and I already have norma bondstrike. My vanguard is so accurate with everything I've fed it so far, I'd be surprised if I don't get at least good hunting accuracy with both.
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
I'm sure you will get good accuracy with them
@wheelchairhillbilly9 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby going purely off of bullet design, I can't think of a better hunting bullet design. But I've never seen an accubond not work perfectly either. Is gun nuts love to overcomplicate things to keep things interesting.
@rippleforeskinxrp3589 ай бұрын
Start with the basics if you havent already--clean barrel, re-locktite scope, check bedding. Put it on an actual shooting sled and start at 50yrds. Maybe you can get the nice ammo to perform. Has anything worked for it?
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
Yes it likes 168 TTSX
@wayne-oo9 ай бұрын
A bore scope of that gun is needed !
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
True
@7togethr6 ай бұрын
Did you get chronograph velocity on either of these cartridges? Just curious to see if there was any substantial difference between the two.
@ReloadingWeatherby6 ай бұрын
I got 2697 FPS with the terminal ascent. Sadly I didn't chronograph the bonded strike
@7togethr6 ай бұрын
2700 is pretty respectable for 175 grain projectile. I really appreciate the content on your channel! I am a huge 30-06 fan. Great stuff. Thanks
@ReloadingWeatherby6 ай бұрын
@@7togethr You see my video from today? Go watch it!
@ReloadingQuest9 ай бұрын
Why only three shot groups? Did you get velocity? I got some Norma I will be testing. Next week! Love the bullet.
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
They are hunting rifles. Don't care about 5 shot groups
@ReloadingQuest9 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby haha okay. I guess it can only get worse after three so I can see that. 3 shots just don’t give a great idea of what the ammo will do but. Seems to work for u 👍
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingQuest And you can say that 5 shot groups don't really tell you what the ammo will do. Why not 10... or 20?
@ReloadingQuest9 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby yep agree 20 be best. More data the better. But if three works for you then that’s fine. I chose to do 5 shoots now that I have seen the advantages of it on engaging targets at long range. The 5 shots are more for me to get an average of speed not group size.
@awsomedude123456789 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingQuest5 shots groups only work if you cool your barrel between shots
@NorthwoodsNomad4 ай бұрын
I just bought a new Winchester model 70 Featherweight in .30-06 . Have not shot it yet but I have a few boxes each of Federal Premium 165 grain Nosler Partitions , HSM 168 grain Berger VLD Hybrid hunting , and some Nosler 165 grain NBT’s … I hope to hell I get better results than you just did . Spent $1,300 on the rifle and $300 on a scope ( Leupold VX Freedom 3-9x40) plus $75 on Talley bases/ rings plus tax and I’m in it for $1,792.00 ! The rifle is sexy as hell but if it doesn’t group worth a damn then what good is it ? I hope it works out , you always gotta be cautious about sporter rifles with light whip barrel profiles. 🤞
@ReloadingWeatherby4 ай бұрын
I bet your gun will be good. FYI I have gotten two loads that this gun likes. So it still shoots, just picky
@NorthwoodsNomad4 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby Thanks for your feedback ! Just curious which two loads are the shooters ?
@ReloadingWeatherby4 ай бұрын
@@NorthwoodsNomad 168 gr TTSX with IMR 4064 and 165 gr Accubond with IMR 4350
@kbowen22519 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you're having these issues with the Winchester... Any idea on what could be causing the poor accuracy?
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
It seems to be a picky rifle
@kbowen22519 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby sure seems that way. Would be really interesting to compare chamber castings between it and the axis to see if there are any differences there.
@jessiejane62599 ай бұрын
30-06 without muzzle brake and light rifle has too much felt recoil for me on the benchrest.
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
It's not that bad...
@BollingMachineTool9 ай бұрын
The Winchester M70 is it a New Haven gun or Portugal gun?
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
New Haven
@brianklamer33289 ай бұрын
There are no Brazilian model 70 rifles. For the last several years they are assembled in Viana, Portugal. Mine was assembled in the South Carolina FN Herstal plant.
@BollingMachineTool9 ай бұрын
@@brianklamer3328 my bad I meant Portugal, I looked at one after the buy out and New Haven location closed, haven’t looked at them since. Nice rifles, I have been a Pre-64 person. Thanks for the catch, I will update my post.
@BollingMachineTool9 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby thanks brother
@deni59439 ай бұрын
Does anyone know how these two bullets compare when it comes to hunting and the effect on game?
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
Bondstrike is a softer bonded bullet. Terminal Ascent is a pretty tough bullet, but in a good way.
@deni59439 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby thanks👍
@texpatriot84629 ай бұрын
How does he like the Axis stock?
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
It works... it's a light rifle
@GeneralObeseus9 ай бұрын
35 Whelen vs 9.3x62! Attempt #2!
@sinistersilverado9656 ай бұрын
I've never owned a 30-06 that wasn't sub .5 moa
@ReloadingWeatherby6 ай бұрын
Oh nice
@joew57929 ай бұрын
I had a model 70 once, it hated everything too 🚮
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
Yikes
@42N8_19 ай бұрын
Win model 70s featherweights are the worst for accuracy savages are not much better.
@jameswilson55629 ай бұрын
Im a bondstrike fan
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
So am I
@derekmcmurry9 ай бұрын
Hopefully I'll find out if I am next month
@MangoMike3169 ай бұрын
😎👍👍👍😎
@ReloadingWeatherby9 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Mike
@tbone-ml4ex6 ай бұрын
you complain all the time you M70 is not the most accurate rifle but have you tried accurizing it? or are you just going to bitch about it forever?
@ReloadingWeatherby6 ай бұрын
Not my rifle to modify and improve.
@jonstafford26913 ай бұрын
For me it comes down to how much time & money you want to spend. I've been down that rabbit hole. Now I just buy tikka's.