I still respect them, they are very beautiful and awesome. My neighbor collects mustangs, terminator, gt500, and two older fast backs, they are indeed super quick, crazy that a 1998 Cobra can still keep close to my 2016 Camaro ss.

_ Carnage2v even with my 13 Shelby when I see one I still get hard , always loved that car just couldn’t find a nice one here in Ohio

We owned a 2004 Terminator and with just a pulley, tune and off road x-pipe put down about 460 HP to the wheels, loved that car.

It’s very impressive , what’s more impressive is that fucking whine from the charger ....makes your spine tingle

Chicago1 I own 4 fords, 1 Chevy, and an infiniti. I enjoy each for their own reasons. It’s good not to close out other options or you miss out. It’s good to see another enthusiast

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We had Jamal Hameedi but he's gone now I think

@@MF-Rell yes,FORD let him leave which is pathetic

@@drfaticus Tru, They don't need anybody after that gen 3 dropped... they running around singing we made it lol

We need another SHELBY :)

@@MF-Rell Jamal was no Coletti.

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After trailing the F-bodies in the 90s, and the disastrous "320HP" 99 Cobra, he had a lot to make up for.

@@taylorc2542 he didn't "trail the fbodies in the 90s" the na cobras was more than an lt1 could handle stock for stock and was not far off an ls1 car ecsp an early ls1 fbody (in the 90s before they had ls6 intakes they were rated the same but the 90s ls1 didn't make the power the later ones did). The na cobras were fairly close competitors to the gm fbodies being quicker than the lt1 but just a tick behind the ls1 typically. The 99 cobra was casting issues on the intake manifolds and an issue with the exhaust that was restricting flow causing power to be down. Once you port your intake and get an exhaust they will make the same power as an 01 cobra with the same mods people make this way more of a big deal than it was. Ford actually did this for you as part of the recall.

The 07 up gt500 is pretty stout. They aren't "weak" by any stretch especially by 07 standards the connecting rod just isn't as stout as the ones in the terminator but they can still make 700-800 easily many many people have done this. The gt500 is stronger and better in just about every other way outside the connecting rods. I love both cars the cobra is legendary but i think some of the cobra guys are extremely biased to the cobra and exaggerate how "weak" the gt500 engine is.

@@midnight347 Agreed but imagine the Gt500 with Cobra rods! What a total killer it would have been. Shelbys are better than Terminators in many ways but also way more expensive. Considering their age Terminators are not doing bad at all for being 20 years old. Still raising eyebrows and getting thumbs up everytime I take mine out...not to mention gapping Camaros and Hellcats! lol

Yes, exactly- and caused other manufactures to up their game. It’s because of the Terminator that you have the Hellcat and other supercharged cars (ZL1, CTS-V,)

@@dannyjohnsonsgarage Oh, So Its Also The Starting Point Of Supercharged Muscle Car?

@@dannyjohnsonsgarage The Cobra killed the camaro for like 4 years lol. Literally. Chevy stopped making Camaros for awhile.

Angel Gutierrez yes, that is where the name Terminator comes from 🙌🏼 it terminated the Camaro and firebird 👍🏼

They had already planned on stopping the production of the Camaros though?

Yep it's why new cars are over engineered and have electronic everything these days. This new crap doesn't last but it all saves them a few bucks.

Thanks for watching. I love my Silverado and grew up with suburbans.

@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I love my z71 Silverado I've owned new since 05.

To each their own, but the updated body in 95 or 96 was a downgrade IMO. I liked the more organic curves of the early models

Chevy guy? Lol that is so gay you will buy anything Chevy puts out? What a sheep. Can't people just like cars? Do you really have to be a "Chevy guy" lol. 🤡

they were badass cars! but then again i raced a few with 600+ hp and whipple blowers in my 2002 corvette z06 bone stock.. other than driver mod lol and never had problems pulling on them especially off the line. Thats the day i became a hardcore chevy fan. after owning a z06 for less than a year and it runs strong today still with about 190k miles

Chevy did make an 02 zl1 camaro 650hp

@@user-ci7cg7tf3o ,In your dreams will that stock 335rwh Vette pull on a 600rwh Terminator.Stock for stock the Vette will easily win a track lap.On the drag strip it's a driver's race.We had bone stock ones at an SVT track rental(US41 Dragway) turning 12.4-12.5's with tires.Pullied cars at 430-440rwh turning 12.0's and afew Kenny Bell 2.2's at 490-500rwh turning low 11's.Vettes are much lighter,and the rule of thumb is Terminators need about 100hp more to pull on one.I used to do lots of 50mph pulls against all manner of cars on the bridges of Tampa bay late at night,and my car at 549rwh would pull the hell out of an 06z06.That's why you see so many of those heads and cammed,to keep up with the 600rwh forced induction cars.

@@johnrunion7258 02 z06s put down more than 330 hp to the wheels......and not just a few horses more. I'm sure a 600hp cobra would be having traction issues though if a stock z pulled on one though. Those c5 z06s hooked up pretty good on the street with just stock tires. He did say he mainly pulled them off the line

@@terrybates5509 I attended many dyno sessions in the Chicago area after I got my '04 terminator and and some of our SVT members were also owners of Corvettes and Camaros including a rare (I think '92 ZR-1 twin cam).They also brought these cars to our SVT track rental days.The highest dyno # I saw on these stock(air kit only) LS6's was 350rwh.A couple others were in the 335-340rwh.Maybe someone is fudging.Without DR's and suspension mods,you had to leave the line almost off idle due to the supercharger's torque characteristics,dumping 450# of torque at 2000rpm.Then if you got into it too early it would break loose again.You needed a lot of seat time to get under a 2.0 60'with stock tires.Mount some stickies and bag the springs to keep the ass from squatting,and you are in the 1.7's.Those ZO6's would slow walk my 04(378rw stock) from a 40 roll,but a pulley,exhaust, and a tune pushed mine to 437rw and that was enough to turn the tables.These engines are capable of 1000rwh without touching a valve cover screw.Chevy will see the light one day and make big power without sounding like a AA/F'er.When I was at 550rwh,I got pulled by my friend's 12.50 Lightning five cars off the line,at 1,000ft I flew by him like he was parked.Without extensive drag set-up,these cars never see their full potential at the dragstrip.

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matt_ru Yep! Ford’s cost. Not like they couldn’t keep paying that

I own and track an 08 GT500. I would have GLADLY paid the additional $472 (if Ford just passed off the cost with no profit margin in the MSRP) for the forged rods. That was a stupid compromise on their part, especially given all the bad press that resulted from it

Some people are pushing 750whp on stock gt500 engines

@@robsvtgt500 anything over 700 is a gamble lol

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You made he right choice. I would not change either

wow thats tough!!!

Best choice! Cobra will hold its value way better than the 500.

The terminators are original cars and the shelby’s are a wannabe retro knock off. I always thought the new shelby’s were such a gimmicky car.

Greg Austin Very cool 🙌🏼

The GT500 has more potential. Much better flowing cylinder heads (and physically stronger cylinder heads, better material and more deck thickness) and more displacement. Blower to blower, the GT500 slaughters Terminator on power. The stock GT500 rod is good for ~850 rw and 7000 rpm if you keep them off of the rev limiter. The GT500 is also otherwise dead reliable. They have next to zero cooling or valve train problems (guides, valve seats), unlike the Cobra. The GT500’s 5.4 was just a much better executed power plant that happened to have powered metal rods. Rod to rod, the GT500 is a much better power producer and is more reliable than the 03 Cobra.

I always wanted to build a 2000 Cobra R clone in that color with the Terminator drivetrain. I liked the big wing and front splitter alot

@@BC08 That's not true at all

Kenshin Himura It’s absolutely true, and I challenge you to refute a single statement I made. I’ll wait

Terminator Can Handle 750 h.p. W/ Right Spchgr.(2.8.KB) ,Before Wrist Pins Get A Little Shaky.A Stg.2 or 3 Porting W/Eaton + Few Bolt Ons Can Handle Early GT 500' s

It really made a new standard for all cars, I agree

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Mark D-man Very nice. I love that color

Mark. Nice find! i just found me an 03 ebony coupe, 3,200 miles on the clock! and i paid 33k. Im in love. My dream car as well. Took me 16 years 4 trade ups to finally get it. Cooling mod 1st thing for me. Exhaust next. Good luck with your build!

1967 stroker Great find yourself Sir!! Crazy seeing a car 16/17 years old selling for retail prices!!! But worth every penny!! Head cooling mods on the list as well here....👍🏻

@@markd-man3279 i did the evenflo gen 2 cooling mod with a 170 stat, so i didnt have to remove blower or tranny. That dang casting plug kicked my a$$! It took me all day. And it didnt come with the 3" of 5/8" Hose (had to go and buy from local parts store). But other than that pretty easy install i guess. I got my stock midpipe off now, going with bassani off-road x pipe. Should get it this week.

I’ll keep those in mind, it does look really tight back there to get the job done. I’m pretty capable... enough to be dangerous at least 😆

More than the new 760 hp gt500? No

@@greatestnitemare6626 Strongest.... Not most powerful in stock form. Durability is the key.

Mr. BosSTANG yes we need this I think the boss has some forged internals as well

Yes they do.

Mr Mike I love my Boss. I think it’s the best all around mustang before the GT350. It even out ran the mighty GT500, Audi R8, M3 at laguna Seca back in 2012. That’s heavy company their.

Mr Mike to tell you more the third gen 5.0 is a close cousin of the coyote/Roadrunner motor in the Boss. Carbon copy of the major components.

Rique when I bought my Boss I didn’t want a regular GT and the 350 was priced crazy. I don’t regret buying my car at all.

rebaoui hichame It’s a legend for sure!

Gray Fox Very true! Coletti couldn’t shake it, and it annoyed him like a pesky fly.

Very true!

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Audio Engineer They are very awesome, hilghly respected and sought after cars- and even carry SVT heritage that is no longer around (it’s now “Ford Performance”

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Michael Ward My question (as other stated, but I want your opinion) is do you think the better brakes actually make a difference, or simply compensate for the bigger mass of the GT500 and therefore they are equal?

@@dannyjohnsonsgarage The GT500 weighs 300-400 pounds more. The Cobra has 2 piston calipers with 13 inch rotors while the 2007 GT500 has 4 piston calipers with 14 inch rotors. To me they feel like better brakes when going from one to the other and you need them with the extra weight. The stock Brembo pads on the GT500 are junk with way to much brake dust. Everyone always talks about their RWHP. I am a big believer with big HP you need better brakes. My GT500 has the 13/14 GT500 rear brakes and the stock Brembos upfront. Hawk pads with stainless steel lines and DOT 4 fluid. The GT500 stops very well but not a fair comparison because you could do similar upgrades to a Cobra. The 13/14 GT500's have much better brakes than the Cobra's and 07-12 GT500s. Just my opinion...

@@francheecho3792 They do have 4 piston front calipers. Don't know why I said two in my post.

@@michaelward7517 terminators have twin piston 40.5mm front calipers, not 4 piston... you were right in your original post... front brakes on my 04 GT are off a Cobra.

@@dicksteel91 yea they were 2 piston 13 inch rotors...cobras had the same brakes 94-04 the bullit and mach 1 also got them.

ArcadeDude44 jealous bro, was it tough getting your hands on one?

I love YOUR 03 Terminator! 👍

Rocky Archambeau It has huge history and low production. Great Mustang history for sure

It’s my favorite for sure brother 👍🏻👍🏻❤️

Your a complete dumbass the terminator is 200% better

being think what you want but going that rout just proves how uneducated you are. I feel sorry for you

I’ll hurt a terminators feelings..you will feel the bite! Haha jk,would love to race one for fun though

Yep, lots of people who obviously have not owned enough cars yet. We can all get attached to something and lose our perspective. I was the same way with my first few cars.

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'07-'14 GT500 has the same tech as a Terminator. No VCT, just timing chains, cams, and blowers. The Coyote has much more tech, which is probably why any Modular motor will outlast them.

The 07-09 is what you want if you want a Shelby that is most like your terminator and feels like brute force and bare bones.

I'll be waiting for the video for when it blows up after he starts modding it

Honestly, I’ve wanted to make it for awhile since it has a lot to do with the roots of the terminator engine evolution, but if he treats that new GT500 the way he treated his terminator it will pop. I think he knows that cause he’s acting really careful, Time will tell, but that will be an expensive repair.

Danny Johnson why not just give the 5.8 a bottom end upgrade?

Heebee Jeebeez Because that’s several thousand dollars done right, plus labor all on a car you spent $42k+ on. Also going to lose money on that if you decide to sell- both from the car depreciating and not getting money back on mods.

Exactly what I was thinking as I watched this video.....

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Shawn Broyles why did you laugh ?

The 01 Cobra's could keep up with the Fbody cars, at least better than a GT

@@tylerkulchinsky2167 yes the 01 cobras wasnt far off from them stock for stock and the na cobras really like gears...456 gears and a few bolt ons and you got a mid to low 12 second car...sometimes high 11s that's no slouch for a light modded na 4.6. They have the ls1 more of a fight than Chevy guys would like to admit.

Nice! What color?

Nice! I drive mine weekends only as well. Has 43k but will have 50k in 10 years at this rate ha ha

Cars are to be enjoyed and driven. Shame on you. You cant take premium mileage to your grave... Start enjoying the car and quit being an old fart with a diaper

Okay, and you can quit being a hater with the envy in your heart! Respect others in how they treat their personal belongings. Have a nice day.

Lol i dont envy you in the slightest. I have my cars.

@@GreatBirdOfHope AMEN I Fully Agree With You, Enjoy Every Day For Tomorrow We Are Not Promise...

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@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I just bought my first terminator cobra and you have so many great videos on how To that it's been such a breeze on getting it up to par. Cant say how great your videos are and the knowledge you give out is great!!!

If the 13/14 isn’t too much more money I’d go with that

They was much faster than the stuff from the others that was competing with them. They are also faster than terminators stock for stock not by alot but they are in fact faster by few tenths and like 3 mph. The early gt500 was restricted stock. They wake up big with mods even more than terminators do you can gain well over 150 rwhp with fbo and ported blower.

Yeah, both good cars. The terminator was simply the better value IMO

Twobarpsi Opinion backed by facts BTW 😉

Twobarpsi Yes, I agree my opinion is greater value than only facts. Opinion=Facts in my case as well. Terminator is in my garage

Tons of guys are making over 700 wheel on stock 5.4s. Both Lund and vmp consider 700-800 wheel the max safeish limit on a stock gt500 engine 07-14 they've tuned and been around hundreds of these cars Lund even has 14 gt500 he has raced since day one it's built motor now but he raced it alot prior to the build without blowing it making some big power. If you use good fuel and don't Rev much behind stock 6250 redline and have proper supporting mods and such you're good up to and over 700 wheel. They hate rpm much more than all out power (on stock rods). The rods were weaker on the gt500 but still pretty good stock rods and they are more stout than a terminator in literally every other area on the car.

I’m the same way- even seeing GT500s can cost the same as a terminator I prefer the interior and looks and everything of the terminator

Danny Johnson agreed. Can’t wait to have one of my own

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Yep. Rolling the dice as the video says. H beams are a better rod.

2007 with 64K miles makes 733 rwhp I would say the rods are okay. Are they the best NOPE but they have taking a beating and no issues and mine is tame compared to 85% of GT500's so no reason for anyone to shy away from a Shelby. In fact since your video did some research and found the pistons in the 03-04 term are the weak link. The GT500 has better pistons but worst rods go figure LOL

B.T Martin I own a few GMs as well. My Yukon 6.2L and Silverado 5.3L.

We are twins

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Imagine a 2020 GT500 now

J B mine did 414 with just the cat back and the tune. i’m at an easy 600 rear wheel horsepower now with just the blower swap basically

If its not on the same dyno is just numbers.

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FastGunner2040 I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them sell for big money in 10 years.

@@dannyjohnsonsgarage Btw great video man, keep it up. My dad had a 07 Shelby GT and I've always known because of him how the GT500 wasn't a true Shelby car. Most people don't know it.

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you know the 07-14 gt500s where a 100% svt product right? the old man was just cashing checks and didn't influence a thing

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You’re incorrect. I did mention a reputable builder right in the video showing he said 725 was the safest high level. After that you are “rolling the dice” as he said. Keep in mind the difference between crank and rear wheel hp nearly 100 in these cases, so a 750hp shelby is putting down 650s Also you are incorrect as the 2011s don’t have the same engine as the Ford GT as I showed in the video. That was the entire point- the GT500s were short changed on connecting rods whereas the Ford GT got H beam mahl forged ones. It is useless to have a GT500 be capable of easily making big numbers if it won’t support those numbers like the Ford GT Simply put, look at the rods in the video. That’s common for them to bend and break. When they bend and break from HP stress without any signs of tuning/pre-ignition, that proves the rods inability to handle the power level. The point is plain and simple Ford cheapened up the rods, made a heavier car, and charged more money. This video was not focusing on an aftermarket company (Shelby American), but I understand your point on them putting these cars at CRANK hp numbers. Many of the shelby american cars are owned by collectors who will not push them. For those who do, you hear stories about failures, I would look closely into warranty work which typically covers the parts only and not labor. I am not certain on Shelby, so I won’t say until I know. With that said, the price per hp is a horrible ratio for shelby american and would even put the car in a worse competition with the terminator on pricing. Keep in mind the bigger hp shelby builds lose the warranty from Ford and the shelby 1,000 features a completely new rotating assembly. The video was well researched and no one likes to admit the proven points of the video. That’s okay.

Except I’m not, 5.4L aluminum engine in GT500’s 2011+ is updated Ford GT engine. One is dry sump, one is wet sump system, and one has plasma coated liners instead of pressed in iron sleeves. And if you are actually doing research on both, then it does not hurt to call companies that constantly modify or work on them. I’m around Cobras, and GT500’s ever week almost, I’ve owned 2014 GT500, and I’m ordering parts for my friends 2004 Terminator. And you’re wrong on many accounts. Specially what horsepower GT500 can handle. You want to be Cobra fan boy that’s cool, but unless you’re in actual business of building, modifying these cars on weekly basis, I suggest you call up some people that tune these cars, and specially modify them. And I work for Shelby of Canada. So I do know what I’m talking about. But as I said, give few phone calls to some of the most reparable places in US, like Lund Racing, Palm Beach Dyno, or VMP. These people own both, or have owned both. And they tune dozens every week or month. Ask them how much hp GT500 hold reliably. You don’t need to listen to me, listen to what they say, hell even give there videos on KZfaq a watch.

tocas21 Yes. For half the price 🙌🏼. If someone prefers one over a terminator it’s still a good car. Just stating the facts

10k can get alot of cars 600hp especially if its forced induction

Danny Johnson i also love the fact that it was the first stock supercharged car. Which Many cars after it become supercharged like the hellcat, and ZL1. Love the GT500 but if you have me the terminator and gt500 I would take the terminator every time. Bad ass looks and bad ass performance.

@@tristyn1124 the gt500 is faster than the cobra stock for stock and the gap widens once mods enter the equation. Mod for mod they pick up more power they're more restricted in stock form. The gt500 is stouter in every way other than the rods and even with the rods they have 800 wheel is considered their safe limit. The tuners all say this who've been tuning them since the beginning. It's well known have respect to octane and rpm and they will live at big power levels. This is a bias video from a cobra owner lol. The gt500 has a better trans, better stock input shaft 26 spline not 10, larger motor with better heads, better blower, better brakes, better heat exchanger, better, better fuel system, stouter rear end being solid axle that needs way less to handle big power, etc. The rods are the one thing that is weaker but still plenty capable.

@@midnight347 huh didn’t know sorry for being ignorant I guess bias can really cloud someone’s judgment lol.

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