I was simply touching on the irony that James Cameron publically expressed his disapproval of Newt & Hicks being killed in the intro of Alien 3, then he went on to produce a movie that does the same to John Connor. Admittedly, it doesn't come across as clear in the video as it did in my head.

@@JeremyJahns Don't worry, Jer. I'm sure in five years we'll get the TRUE James Cameron Approved™ T2 sequel. They'll get it right this time because now it'll have a $500 million budget.

@@timothyfinch7295 what 500m budget? this flop killed any prospects of another movie.. they had to go woke with everything and undo all that has been

@@undeny What is sarcasm

@@timothyfinch7295 Sarcasm is a rhetorical tool wherein a speaker or writer expresses a view contrary to their actual beliefs as a means of mocking that view.

The Machine Menace Attack of the Drones Revenge of the Genisys A new Fate Skynet strikes back Return of the Reese The Future Awakens The Last Commander The Rise of Connor

And Darth Vader will return as a sith Lord T-3000

They should retcon this whole movie by sending a Terminator back before the Terminator shot him, lol. In fact let's just go full Robot Chicken-esque parody and have like 200 Terminators on both sides appear in that scene.

@@Wyndamn Palpatine: "I have waited a long time for this moment. Rise, Liquid metal Vader, show no mercy!"

"No one's ever really gone. "- T-800

The sigh at the end was the magic ..,

He should do it more in his videos sh*tting on bad movies lol.

@@spndusk2362 angry JJ is gold for the rest of us

JJs Predator rewrite. Dutch : "Leave it. He didn't kill you because you weren't armed. No sport.....oh and you're not autistic so he can't upgrade with your spinal fluid."

That was freaking amazing!!!

That guy isnt the problem. Its the fools who thought it was a brilliant idea,and threw a couple of hundred million at it.

Probably a dude who joked about it, and then later he found out they are doing it

James Cameron

@@darkbrotherhood76 : Tim Miller

Man, I couldn't agree more. Just insane how this script got past the powers that be.

@Go Time Now Agreed. Spilled my drink when he said "BYE! DIE HORRIBLY! FUCK YOU!" lmao

@@luiseatoll6368 lol i died aswell

You must be easily amused.

Yes, that T2 voice over was better than the movie, holy shit.

Right

I think you just summed up the entire rant.

Terminator: Poor baby. Hahaha!

Hahaa i love youtube comments

James Cameron fucked up his own creation.Hes the one who killed John Conner.

Mission failed, request extraction

I thought his voice sounded a little different, but the lip-sync was so perfect I just dismissed it until that coda.

Corn Pone Flicks pretty much. My brains “Spider-sense” was going off, saying “This looks legit and has the right lip-synch, but it just doesn’t FEEL right. Something is a little off.”

For a minute I thought Kyle Reece was just a really bad actor, but then I figured out it was Jeremy

Bee-Zee Soul aaaawww, it’s hard to act more than one note, when you’re trying to ape someone’s performance and making a joke as well

Dumbass.

😂😂😂

directed and written by Rian Johnson

@@femtoservants and he was fired shortly after.

I laughed way too hard at this😂😂

If I could add just a liiiiiiiiiiitle tweak; Arnold: *Thumbs up* as Sarah, struggling to compute this unprecedented turn of events that happened in like 1.3 milliseconds, looks on in complete horror and disbelief

🤣🤣🤣 I lost it on this part. I could not stop laughing XD

😂😂😂😂😂

-the T800

😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂

Henceforth you shall be known as Darth Jeremy

Luis Moran it makes you stronger. Gives you focus.

I cam here for the hope that Jeremy would voice Arnold for an extended period of time. I was not disappointed.

@@LuisSierra42 he will be after Rise of Mary Sue.

James Cameron fucked up his own creation.Hes the one who killed John Conner.

I call that a hypocrite.

I loved his early work but Cameron is a sellout woke hack now just as bad as Ridley Scott.

@@Maesterful Yep. And someone said that the Rev 9 didn't kill the innocent immigrants while killing the border agents.. I smell open borders agenda brainwashing on that one.

Cameron lost all passion for Terminator. The industry has destroyed his sense of joy and pride for his works.

Personally the difference is they at least expand upon John's murder with Arnold

He’s too busy with Avatar to care about his precious other IPs.

@@uscman that's not the point though

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaagahhagahahahahavahav bgg hhghhg

This should be new meme.

Fucking brilliant. 🌟😂😘

Yeeesssssssssssss!

and when he starts drinking "water" for the review.

Yes

That probably wasn't even abrams's plan for episode 8

At least Luke was in the whole movie. Whether he was done well or not, he was present for the beginning, middle and end of the film. From the sounds of it, John Connor's in Dark Fate for about at long as Luke was in The Force Awakens.

Yes

Thank god that didn't happe- Oh.

I was more impressed by the seamless editing that make it look like Kyle Reese actually said those new things after the original quote!

@@christopherregan1654 Until he spoke about the Terminator feeling bad I scratched my head and realized it was Jeremy Jahns impersonating Kyle Reese

I knew itd anger me to no end like genesis did

The minute I learned about John Connor in this movie I lost all interest. It's like GoT season 8, after episode 3 I gave up and read the spoiler leaks and lost all interest. Same with Rise of Skywalker, TLJ killed my hope for the new trilogy and I lost all interest. Those spoiler leaks are really fun to read.

Right here.

I'm watching because I have no intention of seeing it.

The last one was so bad so I came here first, Im going to save my money

PHENOMENAL! Great job Jeremy!

Instant thumbs up after that scene.

I was lost at first

Dead with laughter!!! 😅🤣😂💀💀💀😅🤣😂

Funniest thing I've seen in 2019

His impression is fucking hilarious

It was tho’

The ending to T3 is fucking awesome!

Scott Broyles Now T3 is only the 2nd worst Terminator movie.

Of course I loved T2, but I also sort of liked Terminator: Genisys! Saw it in the theater and was actually pretty entertained, only one I really hate was Salvation! So, should I go see Deep Fake or not?... (btw: Also LOVED the ending of T3!)

@@ramigilneas9274 Are you saying Genisys is better than T3?

His KZfaq career began with a passionate rant.

*Slams table* Thank you!

That's why Angry Joe is so popular, hate sells lol...just look at all of the media race and political plants

He rarely does a spoiler rant

His twilight reviews are my all-time favorites.

At this point I'd even take T3 over Dark Fate.

That’s the problem with the Terminator franchise, they just constantly go back and try to build directly off of Terminator 2 instead of actually progressing the story forward

@@benm5970 I enjoyed Salvation and would have rather have got a continuation. End the 3rd movie with Skynet and the Resistance sending The T-800 and Kyle Reese back to 1984 and to continue the story watch the 1st Terminator.

@@mysterion3182 Yeah I agree they should’ve just built off of Salvation, move the story forward, stop resetting it

There’s this French Terminator die-hard fan, Florent Abougit, who actually wrote a great script for T5 and T6, which continued the original story, connected all previous 4 movies and made a lot of loopholes logical. He tried everything he could to have it produced, but 1) No one knows him in Hollywood, so he’s not in any writers guild or shit like that, and 2) Everyone laughed at him because he’s French, so no one would help him save the franchise. It’s sad, because his story was awesome, and would have saved the franchise...

Well you could be the girlfriend or boyfriend having to hear them talk like this during sex.

That is when you get the popcorn.

On the other hand.. I love Jeremy getting a refill with Jameson… my favourite whisky alongside with Seagram.. Both of them do the trick.

James Cameron fucked up his own creation.Hes the one who killed John Conner.

We've all been on both ends of that rant. LoL!!!

I really hoped that's what had happened when I first saw the dark fate trailer! Not the same T800 from T2 but another protector that showed up a few years later, pretend to kill John, but not really kill him, new mission to fake his death and then keep him in hiding in the woods. I don't know... I just don't won't him dead!

A fake death would have been better than what actually went down

BradBrochill23 yeah that was good lol 😹

"But you know what, were not going to do that. Bye, die horribly, fuck you". LMAF.

Classic. The Rees talk was awesome as well

Facts.

And why the Mandoverse is the true Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.

I want Season 3!

Best dub ever.

That's some impressive ADR.

Really good work

He does one of the best Arbolds as well! He is a pretty damn goid impressionist!

If only he could collab with *ALIEN Theory* to do a voice over of Hicks in Theory's Earth Wars vids.

Joker's at 69%? Nice! Should be higher but still. Nice.

Wtf!!! Are you kidding?

Joker 69??? How? That shit was great.

Joker was just OK. I don't think it will have the kind of praise in a few years that it does right now.

so a masterpice gets a 69% on rotten tomatoes but a turd gets a 70% hollywood in a nutshell today

Me too mate

LOL, it was hard to tell if it was him or the movie at first.

Yep. I was confused for a couple of seconds.

@King Greed I know right! Edit: Opps, I was thinking in terms of the movie instead of the actor. Yeah, Biehn had been one of my favorite actors because of Terminator and Aliens. And he never really got any credit. Reese laid the groundwork for Sarah, and she passed it down to John. And John taught his father, that is some family!

Hahaha me too

James: oh yeah let's do this shit again in Terminal to dark fake!!

yeah, he's so cynical

Cameron is trash!

@Michael Anderson similar to "An effect without a story (or reason or whatever, forgot exact quote) is pointless."

It was Cameron’s idea he did t direct alien 3

Good job, and your story's far more engaging than what we got. That's way better writing than what we're getting these days, which is incredible, given all the time and thinking that SHOULD have gone into this movie. As is the case with Star Wars, it's sometimes difficult to believe that the people now running these franchises have actually watched, or even liked, any of the movies.

I would have enjoyed that movie, I’m not gonna see Dark Fate

Yes, interesting, good possibility! Unfortunately, hollywood doesn't work like that apparently. It's like:' ok, who's alive, available, who could we use?' and they go from there. The plot comes after..

arnold could be the REV9

Genuine question: If the new AI somehow rose up and a new judgement day happened. Wouldn't John still end up being a leader of some sort, so wouldn't John have to die? I feel they had to kill him if they wanted Dani to be the character that she is

@Daniel j. Milburn Not by J.C's hands. wait a minute! "J"ames "C"ameron killed "J"ohn "C"onnor !?🤔

I agree.

They killed John Connor for one simple reason and we all know it’s the truth, he was white and male there I said it.

D ghazd tbh if The Terminator franchise wasn’t killed after T3, it’s gonna be around forever

@@fragtimusmagnus3826 With the franchise at the hands of J.C, the return of Linda, Arnold, Edward, many thought that the Terminator was finally back for real ... Not to be TERMINATED ! 🤔

I feel like if Salvation had continued then we had really seen him become the leader. Anyway I still think Bale was the best adult John.

@Bobby da Costa Dark Fate makes Genysis look good? Fucking hell it looked bad but that's REALLY bad.

@Bobby da Costa yeah he was the hayden christensen of terminator. T3 was pretty okay tbh and now that you're putting it that way, the other films make so much more sense now. Perhaps Miller and Cameron thought they had explored it all and it was time to pull a shyamalan and turn everything upside down. Kinda like a band trying a different genre and getting hated for it. OFC, nobody expects you to literally throw your instruments away and start rapping, why so tryhardy, why so extreme. EASE into it, i thought sex would've taught them how to do things in life for once xD

Straight, white, and male. You had to know how it was gonna go.

@Bobby da Costa I also feel like T3 and Salvation had potential, but were badly written.

@Go Time Now It was both hilarious and fucking depressing.

Ikr. 😂😆

I wanna make it a ringtone.

The impression was dead on lol

Velociraptors haven't been scary since gymnastics killed one of them

But granted they are still killers. Slightly more docile with chris pratt of course but still as lethal as they have ever been. The t-800 on the other hand should just be relentless. It's just a machine at the end of the day. It would have pissed me off less if it just went off and was a hermit. Not start a fucking family.

Right?! Lol

They weren't scary in Terminator Salvation

Red Big'un they were still killers

I Thought the T3 movie was pretty good. Well T3 movie was freaking awesome now when i watch dark fate! Dark fate movie 100% the worst terminator movie out now!

That honor goes to Salvation.

Nope it sucked

It's my 3rd favorite Terminator movie... sadly they seem to have gotten worse each one...

Terminator Salvation, especially Christian Bale's JC is underrated AF.

It's stupid it's like Myspace saying all people who don't use anymore are ignorant and entitled whiners. Instead of improving their product. Blame the consumer, if a fast food place literal offered only shit sandwiches and you say it tastes like shit "oh you're just a hater"

Well the first terminator wasn't orginal either because it was based on something else so originality had nothing to do with it its just a bad movie :p

@@hibarikyoya854 James Cameron literally based it on a fever dream he had. Thats about as original as it gets

Whose excuse, the voices in your head? I've been around the internet, haven't seen too many calls of that. In fact, one could almost say you made it up.

@Unpopular Opinions Where, exact quote, tweet and links. I'm too used to reactionaries making shit up

No we are in the worst timeline period!

Fox: "Have you seen the X-Men movies?"

Community reference. Cool... Cool, Cool, Cool

i just treat t1 and t2 as a one time thing, never needed to be a franchise

Imagine this being the worst timeline in the franchise about killer robots from the worst timeline.

RetroRenegades Yeah that was excellent!

So good

Same.

He really nails it

Legit thought it was Arnold

Probably Terminator 3/salvation wasn't that Bad I actually like Salvation, had interesting ideas moving foward. At least better than this shit

Hot take: I didn't hate Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. I mean, it wasn't good, but it was more "bad sequel bad" and I don't think it retroactively ruined anything the way the Star Wars sequels did. Like I walked out thinking "I mean, the next one could still be kind of interesting," whereas with Last Jedi, it felt like "no seriously, where DO you go from here?" I'll admit that's kind of praising the bare minimum, but if I can do that for one and not the other, isn't that more an indictment on the other?

Fallen Kingdom went back to the books, Prequels were always good, Terminator shouldn't have had dark fate made and let the Sarah Connor chronicles continue.

JP3 is still bad

@@irman925 Yeah, but at least it wasn't dark fate bad.

The rest of the movie is just Terminator 2, so there aren't many spoilers aside from the opening.

One extremely trivial thing.

Well, he did say so in the beginning of this video.. and also, in the non-spoiler-review, he said he would do this

@@thelocust619 the death of a legacy character is an extremely trivial thing? Are serious? Lol.

Giving a movie a bad review because it didn’t go your way is a just bad review. This review was bad, yes it was a Terminator! But you forget that he was built as an infiltration unit John was bound to die eventually. In T2 extended cuts they extracted his chip and determined that it had an ability to learn. But you clipped T1 saying it doesn’t feel pity or remorse and will not stop, yet you still forget T2 crucial chip extraction scene. Fuck this review was terrible I suggest everyone to watch the movie, this was definitely better then a lot of the Mediocre action movies lately. Plus the Rev 9 was sick.

so basically just ignore all that and assume 1 and 2 are the real Terminators then?

Literally a mess.

T90 "Forget the other movies, we gonna reboot it!"

Even Salvation did that. Granted at that point there was only 1 bad Terminator sequel that they had to scrap, but still, they're guilty as well.

@@stephenschiffman5940what are you talking about? Salvation was considered a sequel to t3

Tbh this series has been filled with so many time-related paradoxes and contradictions and inconsistencies from the very beginning, that I frankly don’t care that much anymore when something makes no sense with the timeline. I just suspend my disbelief and roll with it

Well,technically by stopping judgment day John would never be born,unless reese really wasn't his father...if you think about it reese couldn't be the father because John was born before he met reese in the original timeline that lead to judgment day

> If John is never born than Skynet never loses the war. > If Skynet never loses the War than it has no reason to send a Terminator back in time in the first place. > If there's no Terminator send back in time than Kyle Reese is never sent back in time to help destroy the Terminator. > If the original Terminator is never destroyed than its CPU chip is never used to reverse engineered to create Skynet. > If Skynet is never created than no war would have happened. Ok seriously without multiverse theory the whole timeline makes no sense.

But Terminators that were never built are still arriving from a future that never happened?

@@thadward4629 You're assuming there was an 'original timeline' where Reese didn't father John Connor. The implication of the first movie is that anything you send to the past via time travel will have already appeared BEFORE you send it. There are no alternate timelines, there is a single timeline, with a causality loop, in which Reese will always meet Sarah, John will grow up and send Reese into the past.

I thought it was from the film😂😂😂

Yea that was awesome

It was an excellent point that Tim Miller seems to have completely bypassed. It doesn't feel pity or remorse... until it does?

@@uplift204 same hahaha!

I legit thought it was him.

Austin Teel Fixing to watch Critical after this. Lol.

Lmao

Austin Teel who the hell is that

@@Mateocabrera2389 A great youtuber. Also check out Possum Reviews and Dr Shaym.

Chris Corley almost as bad as killing off Luke Skywalker in the blandest way possible

@@fict.ion-atx True. Very true. ☕ Although, it did appear Luke had his fate in his own hands -- but I never bought that Luke actually died.

What's the Real Crime is that John Conner's Death was in Vain.

Amen! That's all I ever needed, wanted and have seen and will ever see.

What's the alternative ending??

@@twistedmetal56 Skynet ceased to exists in the new timeline and John Connor is now a senator with a daughter. It's kinda cheesy to be honest, but in retrospect it might as well be the canon ending to the series, since everything after T2 has been garbage.

@@JohnnyUndaunted oh okay, yeah it could have ended there...

Original ending. Cameron didn't film another.

Bath robe is when he has a holiday but still have to make a KZfaq video

Bath robe Jeremy is the evil and chaotic Jeremy. 😁😅

Adult men need our bath robes to help us calm down

T2 had REAL characters

@Scott Prazak You took that pretty well ;-)

@@barrontrump3943 Terminator was never meant to be a franchise.

Mar10 no. James was just lazy

Can I thumbs up this a million times?

Mitch Cowan looooooool right man. So ridiculous what these so called franchises have been doing. Just completely shitting on everything they have built.

Unpopular opinion:I actually liked T-3 kinda🤣

Isaiah talks cinema I actually kinda like it to. I don’t necessarily hate any of the sequels. except this movie. Those movies knew they weren’t gonna be better than the first two.

I think this is worse. I last Jedi would have been done dark fate way. There would been flashback were luke is in the island and emperor just comes and shoots him and then feels bad and starts a moisture farm at That sand place I can’t remember and also started a family.

Wow

@Joseph Inzinga What are YOU talking about? No one said shit about Sarah Connor. She's one of the universally-lauded film protagonists up there with Ripley and First Blood Rambo.

The audience like: WTF

How do these scripts get approved

@@bestboutgaming3212 imo, shock value. That and lots of explosions. BOOM! BANG! BOOM again!

Pretty Much!!!

Kind of what happens when the studio decides to kill off the central character of the franchise. Audiences don't respond well to that. When I heard they killed off John, there was no way I was seeing this.

To be fair the Terminator series started to die with T3. Too bad it was a slow death. They went out on a whimper instead of a bang.

I don't understand how in the world those douchebags can miss the Terminator's formula. It's so simple to please the fans and make money with it. No need to hire the Matrix Revolution team. Recipe: Put a Shotgun and a machine gun in Arnold's hand; Put a bunch of cops trying to kill him, Arnold kills everyone. Done. But they wanted to put powerpuff girls on it. Well Go Woke, Go broke.

Best way to watch them.

The only two cool things about Genesis. The future war scenes and the T-3000. Wish they just didn't turn John evil, a human cyborg hybrid with nanomachines would have been awesome to explore

lmao you give that movie too much credit. It was "Genisys" because of course it was.

Genesys is better. Which is disturbing

same here

Really? His arguments don't hold much weight and it doesn't seem like he put that much thought into the movie. I'm also a life long terminator fan.(26 years) I don't get the TDF makes T1 and T2 pointless argument. You can't get to TDF without T1 and T2. John led the resistance to victory which led to Kyle and the Terminators being sent back in time. That leads to Sarah, Uncle Bob and John stopping Skynet's creation and saving/extending 3 billion lives. The only reason there is another savior is because 3 billion lives were saved. Dani and Grace wouldn't exist without John Connor. As for Legion's creation and the start of another future war. It's like Uncle Bob and John said in T2. Uncle Bob: It's in your nature to destroy yourselves. John Connor: Yeah, major drag huh. As for Skynet sending back Carl and other Terminators. Carl was sent back from 2029 to 1998. When Carl was sent back Judgement Day happened in 1997. So Skynet sent Carl back a year after the bombs dropped to kill John before he could start the resistance. Just in case the original T800 and the T1000 failed their missions. However due to the events of T2, Carl arrives in a 1998 where the bombs never fell. If Carl succeeded and Killed John post Judgement Day. He would probably have reported back to Skynet creating a new loop. This is when Skynet would first learn about John Connor, the T800 and the time displacement machine. Each Terminator that arrives after John's death was suppose to arrive during the Future War. Why? Honestly, I don't know. Anyway, as for Carl assimilating into society and having a family. Terminators are infiltration units, they aren't just efficient killing machines. They're programmed to blend in and learn/adapt based off their interactions. We don't know why Carl decided to help Alicia and her son, but based on his default programing, we do know that Carl would try to assimilate into society in some way. What Kyle Reese says in T1 is him trying to drive into Sarah's head that this is not a man, it's a machine programmed to kill you and until you are dead he will not stop. Not to mention Kyle also says that "these things are new" when talking about the T101. Kyle hasn't had enough interactions with a T101 to know that it can learn and become more human. Even if he did have that kind of intelligence on the T101, Kyle is still right. If a Terminator is programmed to do something, it will not stop until its finished its mission. Carl is what Uncle Bob would have become if he didn't go into the pool of molten steele. At the end of T2. Uncle Bob was starting to understand human emotions to the point that he tells John, "I know now why you cry, but it's something I can never do." Sucks he couldn't get past the first part of the movie, but most of the arguments in this video fall apart when you think about them.

@@drzaious8136 agreed. He sounds more like a child than a respectable reviewer. Also his stances are from the viewpoint of how an individual who was at war with the terminators at that moment. Nobody knows what a Terminator does after it complete its mission.

@@drzaious8136 Sorry but I find this defense ridiculous excuses. They assimilate into society by acting not feeling. They can act like humans but do not have feelings like one. And if there was a reason the terminator just developed these feelings without being hacked into, then the story should have shown it to us. Otherwise, all I hear are excuses. And I dont get why you continue the "John led the resistance to victory" as a reasoning for the significance of the past 2 terminators. In this timeline JOHN NEVER DID. He DIED when he was a frkn kid. He didnt do SHIT. How was he able to do all the things you mentioned when he is DEAD!!! All that good story we saw should be completely erased. The fact that it isn't erased is a time paradox and is completely dumb. You look at the timeline as if the future can exist before the present... ugh... nothing makes sense.

​@@drzaious8136 My appreciation of this video was more for the comedy aspect of it. I wasn't honing into his actual arguments, even though I agree with all of it.

Of course he isn't. He is drinking water.

Jameson is the best, dude's got a good taste.

What do you mean? He was never drinking coffee. It's water. He said so himself. :)

I count T 1 and 2 as movies. Everything else is shit

That’s exactly how I see it. Everything after Terminator 2 doesn’t happen in my book.

I count the cut ending from 2 where it shows John and Sarah in the future with John's daughter at a playground as the real ending

We could've had a 'solid' trilogy if Terminator: Salvation hadn't been such a fuckin mess.

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!!

And a tiny girl is the leader of the resistance now. Screw this film

Greg Williams Agreed. This films plot completely invalidates the entire point of the first two movies. None of their struggle is worth anything, the sacrifice of the terminator being lowered into the molten steel means nothing, Sarah and Kyle getting together in the first place has absolutely no meaning whatsoever. It was one of the worst send offs for these characters you could ever do.

Well, that's because Sarah and John ended the War. End of story.

I think after this shit! People will actually now go back AND watch T3" RISE OF THE MACHINES " and realise that, that was actually a perfect ending for the franchise and a well rounded trilogy had it been left there,,, But noooooo people bitching about T3 so much they carried on and brought out more which have been worse

@Usecriticalthinking Salvation was one of the only ones to actually show John leading the resistance and doing what he was meant to as well

@@jay83 Agreed, loved T3 and also thought the ending was perfect and emotionally satisfying. And heartbreaking, that empty bunker because nobody else in charge made it... and then the radio message...brilliant. It made so much sense.

whoa, isn't this the sixth movie?

Joseph Arredondo it’s been dead since T3, I don’t think you can kill it again

@@thefury770able It's like they are constantly resurrecting the franchise to kill it again in each iteration.

thefury770able T3, TS, and TG were meh films. T3 snd TS could’ve been great but weren’t executed all that well. They smacks to the face of the franchise...DF was a bullet through the brain.

We're in a 'postmodern' phase with movies it seems. Postmodernism being a fancy word for crap that thinks it's smart. I hated that stuff in books, the art is awful, the buildings look like shit and now it seems intent on ruining the medium of film.

Goraka91 I think films like this and others are constructed to ride criticism by provoking what they can sell as backwards thinking. ‘Oh, our film is full of Mexicans and the central hero of the story is a woman protecting a woman and an undocumented Mexican immigrant? Oh, what, at one point they’re detained trying to enter America and thrown in a camp? Now that you say it out loud I see how some may think it’s a politically motivated thing... but we just wanted to write good characters, at no point did gender or anything come into it...’ ‘Oh, you just didn’t like it because you’re racist/sexist etc’ no - people have got issues with it because you made two far superior films redundant. They think they’re being subtle, they think they’re being clever, but it’s so on the nose and obvious.

LTopomcFly I think writers do it to seem shocking and derive a kind of weird pleasure out of winding people up. They, the writer, are the ones who get the satisfaction and gratification from being controversial.

I think it's more about, "Well, we can't come up with anything new ourselves or live with the possibility of our new thing crashing and burning, so let's just redo established stories and franchises, but with female and/or non-white characters, so we don't have to think about it.". It's feels more like laziness in the name of wokeness than shock value.

ForceMaximus84 but the thing is that they still don’t produce economically successful franchises by doing this. So what’s the point of reusing established classic movies and in the process destroy their legacy if your “awoke” reboots fail to be a box office hit?

TheCreepingDeath1984 Yup!

vast majority of T1 and T2 fans :D