+Nacho Overlord HOW DID THEY GET KILLED THOUGH LIKE THEY BEAT A INTERDEMENSIONAL MONSTER WHO DESTROYS PLANETS AND THEY CAN USE MAGIC

+darrell goudeau Maybe dalton had something to do with it cuz i tend to find that normal soldiers killing them is kind of.....meh Actually u know why they died, cuz they didnt get the player buff which increases their strength and abilities by 1000 times when the player is around.... well we werent around at the time... RIP xD

I just don't get why they offed the entire cast of Trigger? I mean, it's not like they needed voice actors to reprise their roles or something. They are digital characters with text dialogue. Why kill them all in exchange for this incomprehensible mess of a "plot"??

Omar Khatib maybe cuz if chrono and the gang did survive then we would question on why dont they just go out on another adventure to save time, etc. If the gang could kill lavos one time then another time should be simple.... but that is just a theory

a game theory

It was his honeymoon, he was deep in uhh... another thing... Another sword was being used hehehehe.

Yeah, it's true, i think Chrono and Marle are not dead, but they lose the kingdom and then they have to live as completely unknown people.

I would argue they are dead, simply because you meet their ghosts in the dead sea, and before the final battle. I mean, you don't really go into a hostile takeover of a kingdom and not kill the royalty. +Kopie The invasion was 5 years after their marriage, so I doubt they waited that long for their honeymoon, but if the attack happened at night..... yeah you might still be right.

seriously, he can cast luminaire

you gotta remember guys, if you don't actually see their death's on screen, their life is left to the author, this is so that it isn't definite whether they are alive or dead, so that they have more material for a possible sequel that may be made. If they ever do get around to that, they at least have the possibility to use Chrono once again.

More like greatest game buttfucks....

Wasn't it directed by the same guy who made Xenogears? Get to the end of Disc 1 of Xenogears and holy crap. The game literally admits that it lied to you the entire time.

Along with Metal Gear Solid series and Kingdom Hearts series.

@@TheSlammurai Kingdom Hearts isn't smart. lol

@@slusheewolf2143 No. After Xenogears Takahashi went on to make the Xenosaga Trilogy on PS2 and then the Xenoblade Chronicles series for Nintendo. Xenogears was originally meant to be a sequel to Chrono Trigger but was changed to be an original entry later on in development. Chrono Cross was made much later at the tail end of the PS1's life, and took some elements from Xenogears for it's plot. The guy who wrote Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross was a co-director for Xenogears though. You're probably thinking of that. Also, Xenogears never "lies to you." The last third of the game just isn't finished so the majority of the second disk is just cutscenes and reading due to budget and time constraints. The plot is conseise from beginning to end. It's not like "lol it was all a dream" and wakes you up from the game going into a completely different game for the second half. Heck, I don't even think a game ever does that besides Incryption and Petscop but Petscop is more of an ARG/Analog horror series than an actual game.

+Tushant Mirchandani (Cyan Los) I literally just beat the game for the first time 10mins ago and I was depressed how that ended. Not only he, but his girlfriend had no idea what happened.

+Tushant Mirchandani (Cyan Los) The thing about him losing his memory that really matters too is that a whole subplot of the game is Serge learning what it's like to experience the discrimination the demihumans face when he's walking around in Lynx's body. Those lessons would be lost if he forgot everything... unless through mystical mumbo jumbo it still has an effect on him.

+Tushant Mirchandani (Cyan Los) At the very least it's implied that whatever bad shiz happened after Trigger's plot get's resolved with the timelines merging by the end of Cross. Even if Crono died in one timeline he would still end up as part of the unified one, perhaps with memories of the other timeline.

+Tushant Mirchandani (Cyan Los) serge saves the world. Get's stuck with a bossy bitchy girlfriend

Metaless Araya Hey! Kid is cool... :(

Chrono Cross twist: Sakaguchi forces Square to make a second FF movie, sinking the company entirely after the company barely surviving his first film.

It wasn't exactly his choice though. You don't leave the head of such a company willingly. He put Square in a bad spot because his very expensive movie failed, so he had to take responsibility - especially towards share-holders. Basically, he had no choice but to leave.

@@armorvil The Spirits Within only failed because it just wasn't Final Fantasy. The technology was very impressive especially for the time (it was like 2001. 4 years ago they had FF7 graphics. BTW 4 years ago from now God of War 2018 released) but the movie failed because it was called final fantasy while having nothing final fantasy about it. It was a generic animated sci-fi movie with a forgetful plot and terrible voice acting. If it was actually, you know, FINAL FANTASY with crystals and magic and job classes and chocobos and moogles and crap it could have been amazing and would have done way better in the box office. It probably would have been a net loss due to how expensive the movie was to make (they weren't making it back unless they made "Avatar" numbers) but it wouldn't be as big of a failure if the movie was actually good and embodied what made Final Fantasy unique. Even an adaptation of one of the game's plots would have worked. I would love to see a CGi retelling of FFIV or FFVI, or even FF1. But they instead did this weird sci fi crap that had nothing to do with final fantasy and it blew up in their face. Like, the Sonic film trilogy isn't anything special, but at least the movies embody the spirit of the games. You can even say they actually do it better than the games due to how crap recent Sonic games have been. The Final Fantasy movie should have done something similar. Maybe then it wouldn't have failed. Square has just been completely bombing recently. The sold Tomb Raider, literally their biggest franchise in sales, (Tomb Raider 2014 is their second bestselling game of all time only after FFVII) to invest in NFTs. And this was AFTER the Etherium crash where the value of ALL NFTs was lowered by 95%. I wouldn't be surprised if Square starts selling off even more of their IPs to other companies to save face after their numerous failed investments. Selling Xenogears and Chrono to Nintendo would be the best thing that happened to those franchises since 2001. SE has released like 6 failed live service games in the last year and a half. With how expensive those games are to make, they must be BLEEDING CASH, even more so with their insane investments into the NFT market which is practicly dead at this point. FFXIV is the only thing keeping them alive at this point.

Thank you sir, that was one of my outstanding questions!!

Dalton, the prick from Zeal, appears there and raises an army.

I like Dalton because literally his actions lead to the greatest in the end. #1, he remodeled the Epoch so that it can fly. This is needed for side quests which contribute to the story. #2, in Crimson Echoes, he goes after the artifacts.

Thanks to that crazy bastard commander.

Dalton is like the Desaix of CT/CC. Speaking of which, how did Dalton lose the Masamune after he took over Guardia?

@@SierraGustafson The Masamune was corrupted by the Invasion of Guardia. It caused a spiral of death with many great men seeking after it for fame, glory and acceptance.

why is she with linx tho? like linx is the puppet of FATE and harle the puppet of the dragons, why would she help her burn the orphan down?

@@punxsongsrules Because Lynx IS the personification of FATE, not a puppet. Harle working with FATE keeps her close to the Flame for the opportunity to snatch it.

Also, this video leaves out one more important point. At some point (?) the dragon gods were absorbed by the time devourer. So their presence in the present is only still there because the time devourer saw them as useful to try to get rid of you. This plot point is rather bizarre, seeing as how had they not been eaten by the time devourer they likely would have done the same thing.

AND Frog loses the Masamune

And some folks thought that the last of us franchise was depressing lol. Chrono franchise be like... EVERYONE gets effed over by time...

That is ONLY until Serge and Co. defeat the TIme Devourer. Once they do, they recombine the dimensions into one; Lynx/Fate, the Dragon Gods, and the Dream Devourer no longer exist. So, the events of Trigger still happened, but Kid lives a peaceful life with Lucca. Chrono and Marle get to live their lives peacefully and so does Serge.

+Trung Nguyen The Soundtrack is damn good, there is not shame on that... o-o Due to subjectivity, k'now, people having different opinions and all that, the story is not for everyone, but really everyone no matter the stance on storyline can admit the music is great!

It's kinda understandable as stories like this can be too much to follow properly without tripping up a little. Hell, I like these kinds of stories and it still took some time to piece it together. This is especially apparent when it's already throwing dimensional timeline stuff on top of Trigger's story, retroactively also making whatever change you do in Trigger's story a different timeline altogether. For some people they can't quite wrap their head around time travel let alone timeline travel, as there are a few models out there that go under certain rules (e.g. Paradox time-travel, Timeline time-travel, ect) that don't mesh together which adds to the confusion of trying to understand it. tl;dr Cross' story is pretty good but it's understandable that the plot may prove a bit too much for the average player, even after playing Trigger. Also yeah the music's freaking amazing.

nope, that would apply to Nomura's Kingdom Hearts series

+heichiro09 IMHO that should be Xenogears.

Yo final fantasy does this every time I nominate them

Xenogears best smd

Cross, xenogears and KH are all kinda tied

97greenking It's definitely one of the strangest parts of the series for sure, wasn't too happy about the decision myself.

These videos made want to replay the whole series

97greenking That's my biggest complaint about CC, it basically undoes everything you do in CT. Trust me, Crono wouldn't be taken out by a bunch of soldiers. He has powerful swordskills and magic.

joseph johnson Dalton is love. Dalton is life. #GodTierDalton Recommend using the good old Google Search to find & play Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes, which basically covers all of the events in between Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross!

+Mister Burkes It's more of a fan sequel attempting to bridge the gap between the two, but I suppose it's worth looking at.

+blessedboydragon Too true. Swept tears just watching this recap.

@@Samanosuke1138 It really is something special. Not quite the sequel that many wanted but sometimes great things are not what you were expecting and this is honestly just that!

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 too true

Jomez j it did create splits in time. Thus... timelines. I believe what you meant to say was "who's to say it didn't create countless other DIMENSIONS" it's hard to argue otherwise but we would have to go into what exactly creates another dimension as opposed to a timeline to know for sure.

+милос забáл thank you so much for watching!

+Bad Misty It seemed like all the questions were answered with melancholy.

I feel you dude, BUT, remember Magus (Janus) wasn't a part of Serges real world, (home world) or another world. If you remember in trigger magus was also thrown into another portal causing him to never meet serge and never being apart of his timeline. Would be cool though if guile was in fact Magus, Janus, from Zeal, and helped serge, the arbiter, complete Belthazars goal to eradicate the Time Devourer.

@@jamesmatherly7844 In the DS verision I thought Magus asked to lose all his memories and be reborn a new person without the emotional baggage of losing his family. If that is the case then maybe he was "reborn" as Guile and thus able to become such an OP magician.

@@TheTongueofRa That’s exactly what happened.

+Austin V

I was gonna respond to this comment, then I realized this comment is me 7 years ago. I ended up on this video again 7 years later unknowingly. Damn this game is good.

yes, but unless you can understand all the extremely complex and poorly explained bits of the series, it's easy to get lost - me and a friend tried to play this game together back in the day, which was a mistake - i will try to play it again now that it's on the switch but.....worried it'll be just as confusing

Great name for a band

Terracorrupt So, I wanted to thank you for this video. I've had Trigger and Cross since I was 14. And with all the times I've played them, you still managed to provide some information that I missed. The beauty of these games is that I'm still finding new things I previously missed. If you like this sort of material, for fun I'd like to recommend Neon Genesis Evangelion and Madoka Magica for you to watch.

I'm actually considering NGE for my next episode 😀

Terracorrupt Sir, you now smell like a bestie.

that will be the title of the next entrance in the series ...lol!!!!

***** Thank you very much sir, I'm glad I was able to make your day :D

Terracorrupt0 Impressive vid! You did a great job summarizing the key points from Chrono Compendium :D

They should call it "Chrono Reveal"

There was a 3rd game ‘planned’ titled Chrono Break, although it never really left preliminary stages. It was never announced but it was confirmed by the developers many years later in interviews. Sadly they all left to go work on FFXI or other projects and Chrono Break never moved forward…

That's what they said about every Kingdom Hearts game (both main and spin-off). "They should do one that links everything together and ties up loose ends" Meanwhile, Tetsuya Nomura: "Let's make another game that answers some questions but presents 100 others."

Finally a person who understood chrono cross as a sequel... i got it too but to explain it to others is exhausting

@@ricardolujan4791 To be fair it's very hard to grasp. Had to beat the game several times and get extra deets from vids like this to fill in the gaps I was missing since there is sooo much to think about in regards to piecing together this super on purpose fragmented story that's spread across millions of years... And saying what I just wrote out loud is already exhausting lolz.

CC doesn't really overwrite CT, CC is a result of CT

Thank you for your heartfelt comment ☺

+TheCompletionist im in your boat im one of those ppl who started off with cross then played trigger and I prefer cross much more. and personally I like serge more then chrono :P

+TheCompletionist It's my favorite game, too. Favorite game of most all time, too. As a kid it was the first game I felt compelled to actually beat, so it made me more into the gamer I am today.

Oh my goodness. I’m not the only person that feels this way? I sincerely thought I was. Chrono Cross is so much more beautiful (despite its graphics looking at them now). The painted backgrounds are so enthralling, and the soundtrack is an absolute work of art. I want so badly for someone to remake this game with today’s graphics.

i like it more than chrono trigger, after dead sea, its becoming a rush of explanation of what happened behind chrono trigger and cross events and awesome places to do like chronopolis, terra tower. liked fort dragonia. still an awesome soundtrack. we learn more about lavos, humans and reptites.

Amazing... though not always good. This series was an exception in that case.

I know this has been a couple-year-old comment, but I think it implies that both the Home World and Alternate World combined into a singular world. The events of Cross still happened, but New World Serge does not remember it because you cannot have the memories of two different worlds in one's head. It's a world if Lynx/Fate, the Dragon Gods, and the Dream Devourer no longer exist. So, the events of Trigger still happened, but Kid lives a peaceful life with Lucca, Chrono and Marle and Serge gets to live his peaceful island life. Or at least that's how I interpreted the ending.

Serge and Crono were never intend to exist on the same timeline perhaps.

Hahahahaha same. I liked cross the first time I played it then it kinda ticked me off the second time years later, now I just want to plat trigger again.

That is ONLY until Serge and Co. defeat the TIme Devourer. Once they do and free Schala, they recombine the dimensions into one; Lynx/Fate, the Dragon Gods, and the Dream Devourer no longer exist. So, the events of Trigger still happened, but Kid lives a peaceful life with Lucca. Chrono and Marle get to live their lives peacefully and so does Serge. Chrono Cross is essentially repairing the demage you cause in Chrono Trigger trying to save the world and the future. It's also a lesson to never time travel xD

You also forget, Crono and company weren't gods or anything. They were a bunch of kids and throughout the story there are numerous times where bosses defeat the entire party in scripted events. They aren't invulnerable. Just because they managed to kill Lavos together doesn't mean they can handle everything that came their way. They were strong because they were a big group that came together for a cause but after that, Lucca opened and orphanage and continued her research, Crono and Marle settled down, Robo was brought into Chronopolis, Glenn returned to the past and I'm hazy where Magus ended up.

I have grave issues with the story (convolution for the sake of mystery isn't really mystery) but I really enjoy some of the concepts that cross explores. Trigger is an example of convolution dome correctly I believe

+SR T At the very least, some iteration of 1000 A.D. Trigger Crew from Home World and their actions from Trigger in Alternate World would be merged into the unified timeline. It's also implied with Schala "Kid" that anyone in this universe retains both world's memories for somehow. Hopefully this makes it better.

+SR T That Dalton guy was the only part of Chrono Trigger I hate the most as we never get the chance to kill him.

+SR T So true. There was so much I didn't understand about the game, and this video series clarified so much. It also makes the games seem a lot more related too.

+SR T Well, Crono and Marle are MIA. Lucca a Robo should technically still be alive do to the end events of Chrono Cross. Unified Timeline stuff creates some big questions of whether or not the original Trigger crew are still alive or not....

It's Final Destination man, they saw what happen in the future and try to prevent it. The future was meant to be destroy by Lavos, trying to change that means certain death to the ones doing the change. You don't just try to cheat death and get away with it. Dragon Ball Z tries to do the same thing and look what happen, Kid Buu destroys the Earth and everyone died. It's sad but true. Seeing vision of what would happen and trying to prevent that just makes it worst.

But after ending of Chrono Cross. Does this mean everything now is back to normal and has a brighter future?

That is ONLY until Serge and Co. defeat the TIme Devourer. Once they do and free Schala, they recombine the dimensions into one; Lynx/Fate, the Dragon Gods, and the Dream Devourer no longer exist. So, the events of Trigger still happened, but Kid lives a peaceful life with Lucca. Chrono and Marle get to live their lives peacefully and so does Serge. Chrono Cross is essentially repairing the demage you cause in Chrono Trigger trying to save the world and the future. It's also a lesson to never time travel xD

***** Haha thanks a lot, that's a hell of a lot of viewing :D

As do most people. CT was just too much of a masterpiece with beloved characters to toss them all to their deaths thinking people would accept a brand new cast. Schala was cool, but she wasn’t anyone’s favorite character over the main cast. So a “clone” of a character who not many cared about overshadowing Crono? Yeah, not a good idea.

That's fine and we'll pretend people like you don't exist who lie and say CT doesn't have a sequel when it very much does and it's called Chrono Cross. What you want is a game without delving into the consequence of time manipulation which is what CC does and saves a character from CT get her freedom and becomes married.

@@YophiGames That clone as you called her merges back with Schala and become one body and soul. What you want is a happy happy go happy where you can manipulate time without facing consequences. And because CC delves into those dark themes you have a problem with it because boo hoo the CT cast presumably gets killed wah wah.

@@NAzo. got nothing better to do then?

@@Badmunky64 I thought you were going to continue to pretend CC doesn't exist?

Yea, so she did find him in the end anyway.

Exactly. I always thought she was looking for and found Serge, instead of the the player. Seems much more heartfelt that way.

The implication is that she was writing to Serge, and looking for him. Also, I thought the picture at the end was her in princess garb next to her lost little brother (Magus)...

Serge was flirting with Leena, Kid and Harley. Kill Harley, leave Leena as forever single lady. Should just do polygamy.

He wasn't a different person. IIRC, he was the guy that wrote the Zeal section in CT. It's kind of ironic tbh, Chrono Trigger was written by multiple people each writing for each time period, but ended up coherent, while Chrono Cross was all written by one dude and came out a jumbled mess.

it's the same person. and honestly he wrote most of the trigger. and d you know there's a lot of incoherent part in trigger. like grandmother syndrome etc.

@@raywing638 Grandmother syndrome? Which part of Trigger was that?

seibpa Thank you so much for watching

In which 99% of the point of New Game Plus is for the 13 endings.

Lloyd Johannessen while having a fast forward. They made new game plus simply because there is no way you'll understand the story if you played it once.

agree, its way too complex and it makes players loose the track of what is happening and why

@@cringewalker8824 I would call it absurd rather than complex

exactly, some one pushed their own fanfic to make their view, overwrite the original story. At best the entire thing could be considered another game shoehorned in as another time line.

+Alexandria Armstrong Even the Spartans in 300 died against overwhelming numbers....

chrono could cast luminaire to destroy everything around him, lucca had the flare spell, and marle could use life 2 to revive anyone, it's still way too hard to believe they died.

Attacking when the guard is down, that's how.

There's more than one way to bring down a monarchy. Dalton (who's implied to be the one who did it) is the kind of guy who'd use less than honorable tactics to do it.

They took off their plot armor.

Time travel, son.

Cross isn't time travel. It's alternate dimensions.

Blair Tyne Which were created through the time travel from the first game. All that fucking with time in order to defeat Lavos just made things worse.

Time traveling leads to timelines... And timelines, when it's more than two, they can mess up you brain pretty bad if you don't concentrate on some aspects haha

andredeh Thank you for sending my video around

Glad I could help ☺

robo is fucking dead too!

Good luck with that.

NOOOOOOO ALL I HAVE LEFT IS MAGUS AND FROG!!!

No one really knows if Guile is Janus or not.

1... We're not 100% sure that's how it went down and with multiple time lines, who's to say what's what? You? Me? Who?... 2... If this is the case. It happens lol. Wild bill was the fastest gun in the west. And some a hole came up behind him when he was playing cards and they shot him in the back of the head which killed him instantly... Can't be ready for a fight 24 7. Sometimes you get caught off guard, slip up, or just plain get out done...