Testosterone, Bodybuilding & Confidence

Testosterone, Bodybuilding & Confidence - More Plates More Dates

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Derek is a KZfaqr, founder of Gorilla Mind and a fitness expert.
The Liver King has seen one of the fastest rises to internet fame ever. Documenting his ancestral lifestyle generated millions of followers and hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for his businesses, but it turns out that the physique he displayed in his content was built on massive amounts of performance enhancing drugs, despite him denying it on many occasions.
Expect to learn what Derek thinks of the Liver King's apology video, just how extreme the number of drugs he was talking were, whether there is more information still to come out, the risks for anyone of taking TRT, Derek's thoughts on NoFap, how to develop confidence when approaching someone you like and much more...
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00:00 Intro
01:11 How the Public Reacted to the Documentary
10:47 What Information did Derek Hold Back?
15:42 Thoughts on the Apology Video
19:55 What Drugs was Liver King on?
30:32 The Future for Liver King
39:31 Health Risks of Taking TRT
48:45 Should We Be Worried About Men’s Testosterone Levels?
1:02:46 Derek’s Opinion of Andrew Huberman
1:13:15 What Chris Learned from an E-Sports Coach
1:17:28 Health Impacts of Modern Bodybuilding
1:24:45 Derek’s Opinion on NoFap
1:29:26 Risks of Going Too Long without Ejaculating
1:34:34 How To Gain Confidence Around Girls
1:42:55 Where to Find Derek
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@ChrisWillx Жыл бұрын

Hello you subprimal beauties. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:11 How the Public Reacted to the Documentary 10:47 What Information did Derek Hold Back? 15:42 Thoughts on the Apology Video 19:55 What Drugs was Liver King on? 30:32 The Future for Liver King 39:31 Health Risks of Taking TRT 48:45 Should We Be Worried About Men’s Testosterone Levels? 1:02:46 Derek’s Opinion of Andrew Huberman 1:13:15 What Chris Learned from an E-Sports Coach 1:17:28 Health Impacts of Modern Bodybuilding 1:24:45 Derek’s Opinion on NoFap 1:29:26 Risks of Going Too Long without Ejaculating 1:34:34 How To Gain Confidence Around Girls 1:42:55 Where to Find Derek

@masterofnone8400 Жыл бұрын

Plz stop cursing dude, honestly it's tiring.

@Youtuber-nx2ys Жыл бұрын

Giving a Subprimal thanks for the time stamps. 🎉😂

@miketucker8137 Жыл бұрын

Hey bro I'm new here I loved the podcast. I was thinking if you turned your background vertical instead of horizontal I think it would look much better in the distant wide camera angle. Just a thought 🤔 other than that love your show 😉

@sa.8208 Жыл бұрын

@@ggrthemostgodless8713 this These podcasts kinda elevated him to this level, then screech when it crashes down, These podcasts just following trends now, especially this one

@daMillenialTrucker 8 ай бұрын

@@KZfaqr-nx2ysgood evening subprimal 😂

@MorePlatesMoreDates Жыл бұрын

Thanks for hosting me dude. Really enjoyed our conversation. Stay away from those receipts!

@Moshm4n Жыл бұрын

Keep killing it , man. You're truly inspiring.

@pi5724 Жыл бұрын

Hey man, love your content but a friend recently pointed out that you sell finasteride? I have great hair, so dont really care but he said it's not a widely studied drug, little research on it and that while you do own several businesses, you're not actually a pharmacologist -> this kinda makes you come off as a bit a charlatan...i challenged said friend by saying, you take it yourself...but was hoping you could shed some light on it a bit more deeply. I really respect you, hoping you can comment. Thanks man, bless up.

@ChrisWillx Жыл бұрын

Big love man. Supraphysiological doses of receipts incoming!

@facundosilva2449 Жыл бұрын

Derek getting even more attention from unmasking liver king, I fucking love it! One of the main reasons I started working out and starting a balding prevention treatment, totally changed my life. This is the kind of fitness influencers we need, educated and transparent.

@travelreview5962 Жыл бұрын

@@pi5724 lol bro he is the partial owner in a men's health and wellness clinic and they have doctors who prescribe finasteride... he's not like selling it on the black market lol. Finasteride is one of the oldest and most researched and understood hairloss drugs in the world anyways.. I can't at all see how you got to calling him a charlatan..

@crd9191 Жыл бұрын

Derek deserves some kind of journalism award for the professionalism and precision with which he exposed one of the biggest fitness scandals in recent cultural memory.

@tylermasi289 Жыл бұрын

Zack Telander did a bang up job as well

@cx2900 Жыл бұрын

all those rewards are just for establishment types to circlejerk each other anyway. they'd probably be disgusted at the idea of giving their precious award to "a youtuber"

@obscureorca Жыл бұрын

While I love Derek and follow him a lot, he isn't really a journalist, somebody just gave him the proof. He did an amazing job on putting together the video, but he didn't do any journalist work.

@moemoney1111 Жыл бұрын

He deserves snitches get stitches

@cbmathews0440 Жыл бұрын

@@obscureorca that’s very often what journalists do. They’re not all detectives

@ifanator Жыл бұрын

what you guys said about Huberman about going through boring literature and finding solutions for the laymen is basically what a professor does for his job. That is why he's so good at it. He also has a lot of integrity and rigorous in his research and methodology like a good scientist.

@rickymatthews797 5 ай бұрын

Derek is literally the goat when it comes to bodybuilding information.

@StrongBodyandMind33 6 ай бұрын

The NoFap thing is a great idea for most men. It also has physiological benefits that contribute to the rebuilding of the body

@michaelr1989 Жыл бұрын

Chris's guests are so varied and his interviewing style is great, but always special to see podcasts on topics he himself has a good understanding of.

@MeanBeanComedy Жыл бұрын

He's grown *so much* since he started! 😳😳😁👍🏻

@huberfan7 Жыл бұрын

god derek is always just such a voice of reason

@heimbiggysmallz 8 ай бұрын

It’s nice listening to someone who you really know is a down to earth and decent person

@ricodelta1 5 ай бұрын

God yeah man, totally agree hey

@PeterBarber 8 ай бұрын

Great conversation. Thanks, gentlemen!

@elisteele574 3 ай бұрын

Commenting to support the channel. Derek is the best. Great conversation with lots of really cool take-aways. Thanks for doing what you do.

@mattepton5731 8 ай бұрын

Love these podcasts and my man Derek is a leader in this industry and someone who I am grateful for and will continue to support 🤝💯

@seankovarik4444 Жыл бұрын

Awesome episode! Love seeing Derek on these longer form podcasts

@jsavak99 8 ай бұрын

Informative interview

@raddimusmcchoyber3362 Жыл бұрын

Really interesting from Chris from about 35:00. A manifestation of this I’ve seen is someone trying to laugh along with their own bullying (has to be a certain kind of bullying, not too physical and not genuine affectionate “ball breaking” between guys). They try to re-orient it as being genuine banter or a group joke that everyone, including them as the target, are all in on. It can be genuinely heartbreaking to see. I am the last person on Earth who would ever consider myself any kind of “mentor” but I sort of took a younger lad under my wing when I saw this scenario playing out and I think, no I know I helped him sort it out.

@SinisterSkip Жыл бұрын

I love the conversation, obviously Chris is really smart and Derek is just such a down to earth dude. I REALLY love so many podcasts the last couple of years of really just, reasonable people that are super well informed and clearly are here to find out the truth and share it with everybody. Often times these are people without the 'official papers', no master's degree or PhD, but often 5 times more informed than your average general practitioner.

@jessgarcia4565 Жыл бұрын

More Plates More Chris Williamson! 💙

@boyunderbridge Жыл бұрын

Epic discussion. Love the insight.

@noemartin11 Жыл бұрын

Two of my favorites. Great job of of touching on a subjects that men have to go through in our lives. I used to easily find and get what I wanted with women but when you get to a certain age you need to figure another way to be fulfilled because the tools you had diminish and shows like yours deal with our ability to adapt to find out your options for living a satisfyingly life. Thank you both.

@M1gas Жыл бұрын

good talk :) for some time i've been wanting to see derek in podcasts

@sup9542 Жыл бұрын

Great advice on sleeping on a normal schedule and approaching women. It’s advice we’ve heard before, but the trick is in the delivery, and Derek has a great matter of fact delivery like it’s a really obvious thing you need to do if you want to grab some low hanging fruit in life.

@johang7498 Жыл бұрын

As the Liver King story shows it obviously will still take quite a few years to get to more realistic and healthy body ideals. But it does feel a bit like a breakthrough, I hope more of these fake nattys will get exposed. Guys like Derek are to be admired; i've seen him pass by sometimes on my youtube-feed, feel kind of inspired now to check out some of the content on his channel. Great conversation, U 2, thanks!

@OneSillyWanker Жыл бұрын

"There is more to come out." I've said that many times.

@StrongBodyandMind33 6 ай бұрын

Derek’s word of the year “quantify” 😃

@nystagmus Жыл бұрын

Derek is very humble Excellent answer and genuine answer to the first question

@wakunolilubasi4273 8 ай бұрын

loving all this bodybuilding content, CBUM, THE GIFT and now MORE PLATES. are you able to bring ok KAI ?

@NaturalGallantBodybuilding Жыл бұрын

would've loved to sit in on this conversation. Great job

@AcidGlow Жыл бұрын

Great podcast. Covered alot of topics that are really interesting.

@Sabin41 Жыл бұрын

Been subbed to Derek since he had a couple of hundred thousand subscribers. Originally found him through his pre-workout (not the other way around). Crazy to see how big he's become.

@223raulh 9 ай бұрын

Chris you're a good guy. If anyone makes you feel like anything less, it's because you have haters that want to take you down a peg. I mean you have a good podcast show, you're seen as successfull and lets face it, you're a handsome man.

@Nah-ah Жыл бұрын

Another phenomenal interview!

@patrickstar1439 Жыл бұрын

Derek’s hair is looking good

@nicolaspicolas6228 Жыл бұрын

This was great, thanks very much for sharing your information.

@donherndon8009 Жыл бұрын

Awesome pod boys thanks for it

@JohnWick-wm4pd Жыл бұрын

New sub. Great interview mate!!

@fbmimpy Жыл бұрын

You're the one that broke the story?? love it! 🤣 Well done sir!

@FkYouProbably Жыл бұрын

Two of my favorite men on the internet!!! Love this!

@seaslob2820 Жыл бұрын

Chris W. has one of the top 5 shows. Along with Lex, Rogan and Huberman. They are all so good. Love Chris' show

@paulperole Жыл бұрын

this is a valid comment

@akaemzett Жыл бұрын

The four podcasts you mentioned are great, which is the fifth for you? Mine is Triggernometry!

@seaslob2820 Жыл бұрын

@@akaemzett That is a good one also. Ramzpaul and Scott Adams

@Shambley1 Жыл бұрын

Lol derrick is making that media push to take advantage of this. Good for him. He's going to gain even more eyes. It won't take long for those new eyes to learn he really knows what he's talking about and become fans.

@JamieJacksonati Жыл бұрын

More reveals more appeal. Or something.

@centropygepotteri Жыл бұрын

I reckon it's at least as much other pods that want to cash in on the fact his video is doing millions of views

@funygameur 10 ай бұрын

The NoFap conversation is awesome ! I've been doing that for..wow in one year it will be ten years and I've never heard some of these arguments before ! Nicely done guys ❤

@blaketheshepherd Жыл бұрын

I thought we all knew Liver King was on steroids and the whole thing was a big joke?

@OliHandy2008 Жыл бұрын

I was so surprised he did the apology video, I thought he would just troll the haters more and laugh at them...like "ho-ho you sub-primals really thought I was natty?, look at my fucking abs, I'm 44 yrs old FFS!"

@toddmank45 Жыл бұрын

Life changing talk. Mission accomplished boys. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼

@jonathonfreelove5321 Жыл бұрын

Great episode

@averma12 Жыл бұрын

I'm watching this in standard 480p but the quality on the video is amazing.

@Kingkillwatts Жыл бұрын

Love Derek. He's been helping me with a shit ton of aspects in my life since 4 years ago. If this man was not around I'd be in a much worse place let's just say.

@Marggalos 8 ай бұрын

Which videos of him do you recommend watching cause he has a lot of info and videos about all sorts of things

@joncarlin1893 Жыл бұрын

Let’s go. I love this collab ❤

@gungi4764 Ай бұрын

Nice vid

@russdrake9657 Жыл бұрын

It's not complicated as far as honesty. It's only complicated for @liverking on a business level. Ultimately, this was a total business play. If he wanted to show the tenants and not lie he could have and may have actually served a purpose. Forward....don't care but was entertaining

@GregDZ33 Жыл бұрын

Look at all of the people all over social media on gear. The Liver King is certainly not alone when it comes to lying for profit.

@The_MKUltra Жыл бұрын

I love Derek and glad hes getting the deserved shine. He tries to bring truthful info to the masses and sells honest products.

@strangeclouds7 Жыл бұрын

Does he sell honest products?

@benhall2235 Жыл бұрын

@@strangeclouds7 not sure I’d agree with that either. I think he honestly thinks that some of his products “may” help in the same way that placebo help. He was selling turkesterone which lost him credibility in my eyes. He did say that he was selling it based off of convincing anecdotal evidence at least which is better than no evidence but scientifically there’s no reason to suppose that ecdysteroids would have any anabolic properties in humans. I wouldn’t bother with preworkouts and supplements full of caffiene myself but I do trust his knowledge of actual steroids. I wouldn’t use him as my only source of info on anything though.

@letztesindividuum825 Жыл бұрын

@@strangeclouds7 Well his Turkesterone was bunk apparently, also people tend to forget that he was the one of the biggest promoters of liverking in the first place :D

@strangeclouds7 Жыл бұрын

@@letztesindividuum825 Yeah seriously.. honest products tho lmao

@GodIsGrand87 Жыл бұрын

His a2am fat burner Is insane. Legit helps.

@kylebraun8026 Жыл бұрын

Awesome to see Derek being deferred to on this topic; his voice is very much needed

@luked4587 Жыл бұрын

This guy is such a legend

@10onpump5 4 ай бұрын

Can we get Derek back on ?!

@Swlness Жыл бұрын

Awesome podcast bro 👌

@anonony9081 Жыл бұрын

His apology would have been okay if he just admitted that he pretended to be natural because it made him more money. Nobody wants to follow some guy who's jacked up on steroids everyone wants to follow the natural guy who is the biggest and that's the only reason he lied. Without the lie of being natural he would have just been another guy on the internet doing steroids. The idea that he was doing it to help men is just stupid. Also saying I fucked up or I made a mistake is such a bad way of owning up. Fucking up is doing something once by accident on I'm impulse. Consciously perpetuating a lie over and over is not the same as fucking up

@scotthickey2612 8 ай бұрын

Conclusions on shower head filter recommendation? Trying to get one.

@GW_FIT Жыл бұрын

Brilliant chat this 👏

@matrixInvader Жыл бұрын

Some of the best content on youtube no question

@nicksunstrider258 Жыл бұрын

Damn, didn't look at eSports that way until this podcast: the supplementation (nootropics), sleep, and nutrition among eSports athletes' optimal performance

@therealsamho Жыл бұрын

Derek and Noel are the saviours of the fitness industry

@champ8605 Жыл бұрын

Hampton from hybrid calisthenics deserves a mention for pursuing fitness for fitness and not just to look jacked.

@cvspvr Жыл бұрын

@@champ8605 also the bioneer

@Jsouv10 Жыл бұрын

1:28:22 chris’ face randomly reminded me of maester aemon from GOT lmaoo

@mrwaldoful Жыл бұрын

Great talk

@DeadManVlog Жыл бұрын

Great content.

@nicholaskoenig3106 Жыл бұрын

Great interview here Chris! Derek is the shit. You have such unique points of view, and eloquent ways of putting it. Got my SUB!!

@TVResults Жыл бұрын

Derek's voice sounds like Mike Matthews/Muscle for Life. They could be voice brothers. Enjoyed these insights, ty

@Not_A_Federal_Agent 3 ай бұрын

27 test level 628 free is 8.8 I’m considering trt after improving all my lifestyle metrics for the last 3 years-> no alcohol gym 5times a week and a clean diet thoughts? I’m holding onto way more fat now than I ever have and I feel tired/depressed/low libido.

@TheXabl0 Жыл бұрын

Liver kings eyes absolutely moved left to right as if reading from a teleprompter during his apology

@FreedomFox1 Жыл бұрын

My favorite part is Liver King including Derek in his meal blessings, like he’s Delt Jesus or something.

@funygameur 10 ай бұрын

He's The Emperor, built the Delts-stars

@richardburgesslll2459 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@chrislemieux2747 Жыл бұрын

Oh, they gave Derek a great idea for video content for sure!

@danielamon6978 Жыл бұрын

Next up for liver king: becoming a Christian influencer!

@GoodVibesOnly1914 Жыл бұрын

Speaking of chlorine in shower water, flouride is probably worse and is almost impossible to filter out unless you get giant filter systems..so i drilled a well in the mountains!

@jaycarneygiants 2 ай бұрын

01:29:27 Frequency of ejaculation is tied to prostate cancer. "High ejaculation frequency was linked to a decreased risk. Compared to men who reported 4-7 ejaculations per month across their lifetimes, men who ejaculated 21 or more times a month enjoyed a 31% lower risk of prostate cancer" -Harvard Health

@NuriiG Жыл бұрын

Just two GOATS having a chat✊

@twoheadedtasmanian1481 Жыл бұрын

For everyone saying Derek is this genius journalist keep in mind he had the proof the whole time sitting in his inbox he just needed to open an email lol 😂

@JamieJacksonati Жыл бұрын

Haha fair.

@mjmcg73 Жыл бұрын

And the trainer sent him the survey results and blood work. It isn't journalism, it's filmmaking, a really well done documentary.

@jacobsherwood1655 Жыл бұрын

The genius was in letting the liver king snowball to a point of popularity that made this exposure as big of a deal as it is. You think Derek really never saw the emails? sure that's possible, what's also possible is that Derek never saw the risk of exposing a "confidential" email worth it until liver king reached a certain threshold of popularity/doubling down on the natty status.

@paddington1670 Жыл бұрын

@@jacobsherwood1655 nailed it, the noose needed to be tighter

@thefeverdream Жыл бұрын

@@jacobsherwood1655 I highly doubt it was that calculated lol

@ds1859 Жыл бұрын

This guys is becoming one of my favorite podcast hosts

@kwilliams1958 11 күн бұрын

A Narcissist will always reframe the narrative, and authentic apologies aren't part of the narrative.

@pfrost45 Жыл бұрын

Some guys you aren't sure about. This guy has bubble gut, he's in his 40s, he's large and lean ALL THE TIME. I was 99.99% sure he was on PEDs. The fact that he denied it so strongly just put him in the Mike O'Hearn category for me (pathological liar). So all of this coming out is not big news or shocking for me at all. All that aside, this was an excellent interview. Definitely going to check out some of Chris's other interviews.

@MrAPCProductions Жыл бұрын

How people couldn't see the narcissism associated to the individual both brings me joy that more people aren't corrupted by this evil, and fills me with dread that more people are not aware of this evil.

@brianmeen2158 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I could see through the liver kings bullshit but many couldn’t. It’s honestly bizarre that he had such a following

@SevAnsdigg-123 Жыл бұрын

In the video or what do you mean.

@OliHandy2008 Жыл бұрын

Bit strong. Evil ? He lied about PED use. Just like 99% of top athletes and sports players. Wait until you hear about murderers and rapists. You will crap yourself!!

@paulperole Жыл бұрын

he was known as Primal Lad before, good mention Chris

@yf8979 Жыл бұрын

Can you do an episode with an esport mental performance coach

@slickiestrick5479 9 ай бұрын

Ronie Coleman before steroids looked great

@markholmes5695 Жыл бұрын

Excellent conversation guys. Already subscribed to Derek, now subscribed to Chris 👍🏽 I think low T levels are more linked to pollutants than diet, exercise, light, heat , wearing tight pants etc. as the latest studies show a world wide sperm and T level (including less advanced nations, nomadic tribes etc) decline not just a first world, high tech society problem. It’s literally in the water now. Bisphenols (BPA, plastic) a known hormone disruptor being the most likely culprit, apparently.

@garrettcole2251 2 ай бұрын

You want to know the best bodybuilding tip for hyper growth. Do daily feeder workouts with 50% of your max for 100s of reps 3 days or more a week. Its about stimulating satillite cells for myoblasts and muscle fibers. - by your Nigerian Afrikan olowo

@enrac Жыл бұрын

The comment about the Liver King sounding and acting like a WWE star is on point!

@naradadasa7554 Жыл бұрын

man Derek has thoroughly thought this shit out and is smart as fuck... I am impressed

@BoundlessRoamad Жыл бұрын

The internet of beefs is hard at work

@Adetv1616 5 ай бұрын

What is the name of the documentary ?

@newsoftheday420 Жыл бұрын

I think for whatever reason, integrity is in very short supply.

@JCOwens-zq6fd Жыл бұрын

Falling into dialectics is always an issue. People tend to swing from one extreme to another. Realistic expectations isnt really the norm.

@chrismosey4400 Жыл бұрын

I’d love the bloodwork breakdown.

@SmoltingWassie Жыл бұрын

Did Derek have the media tour booked before dropping the Liver King video?

@robertsaladino Жыл бұрын

I've never seen an apology video where the person just says sorry....100 percent of the time, the apology is followed by the justified reason why they did it. And the reason always puts the person in the best light.

@tanakathecowboy Жыл бұрын

seeing the Delt God in all 3 of my fav podcasts? Check.

@leonie3317 Жыл бұрын

My dad was a strongman and he died at 52 after using PEDs and still going to gym right up until his heart stopped in his sleep. Hard to listen to this 🙁

@caseygoddard Жыл бұрын

"Smash the dopamine button" is such a great turn of phrase.

@maciejkubik2198 Жыл бұрын

i hope we will get the bloodowk analysis

@coot33 Жыл бұрын

It's the only grass fed beef offal supplements findable where I live. What else are we supposed to get? Don't think i change from ancestral supplements.

@ryanfettes6636 Жыл бұрын

It made me laugh that his video said 'confession'. Bro you aren't confessing, you got caught.

@wlls Жыл бұрын

The Guy openly stated he started his career as a drug rep and said it's a great job too. No wonder he's ok with selling lies to people. He's been taught how to do so and profit from it. All you need to do is tell yourself you are helping people. The dude hates wifi but sold pills to doctors

@heathermariearmbrust Жыл бұрын

Hahaha exactly

@Geronimo00 Жыл бұрын

You have a problem with doctors deciding on which medicine to prescribe?

@requiem-ph5xx Жыл бұрын

what crack are you smokingg

@wlls Жыл бұрын

@@Geronimo00 no not at I just hope they do a little research after that big lunch the drug rep brought them. I think it’s important for doctors to know what drugs their prescribing I just don’t think the current system of traveling drug dealer has the right approach.