The shove is canonically accurate. Imagine if the heavy had a shove. Or soldier. You'd be sent flying. But scout's "tiny baby arms" can't make it happen.
@Mega_idk3 жыл бұрын
I mean his melee damage with stock is kind of a joke, what makes people think a push from him would do?
@sirnarwhal99113 жыл бұрын
@@Mega_idk Given Scout's weight, pushing a Heavy with a 150 kg minigun 2 feet in the air is a pretty strong feat. Scout with his in-game melee damage is just him flailing quick swings with one arm. In the Meet the Medic trailer, he can one shot a Soldier with it. In-game, if he uses two arms he will send the person flying (taunt kill). This is a canon feat since he can kill a bear with a single swing and even take the full recoil of the Force-A-Nature that sends him up in the air.
@theshermantanker70433 жыл бұрын
Scout can literally shove the 400 pound Heavy with the 300 pound Minigun quite some distance, if anything Scout is ridiculously strong for his weight and size. Not to mention, Scout can swing a bat with one hand for his melee without being affected by the vibrations and recoil from striking something solid with said bat. It's likely that Scout doesn't swing the bat full force in his regular melee attack, as he can be seen killing a bear with a single one handed blow when properly putting muscle into it. And that's not taking into consideration that he can fling grown men 50 or so meters into the air when swinging the bat with both hands
@epicguy2283 жыл бұрын
@@theshermantanker7043 Don't even start about his defense. The guy can survive getting ALL the blood in his body removed after getting punched by a guy who can lift a bear larger than a plane.
@SpringDavid3 жыл бұрын
these 2 need a shove mechanic. Heavy does a small "wario charge" Soldier uses a shild to throw you alway
@leooh293 жыл бұрын
The little "shove" is just a "nyeh". Not even a "hargh" like a push in a fight, much less a shove, its just a nudge. Like a little boy teasing his crush or something. Smh my head.
@kimgkomg3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@CelibateSaihara3 жыл бұрын
Himiko's favorite primary
@mishaspencer43773 жыл бұрын
I thought it would be at least fun to use around cliffs but it’s impossible to get anything done.
@shuckid82903 жыл бұрын
Its called shove not push, also “shake my head my head” XD
@slayinderp75013 жыл бұрын
@@shuckid8290 man doesn't have two heads smh my head
@khou03 жыл бұрын
the main strategy with the shortstop is to fool your enemy into thinking you're holding the pistol
@jeannienorris85123 жыл бұрын
lol
@datkhornedog8993 жыл бұрын
Strangely applicable.
@sonicdml41752 жыл бұрын
I would rather hold the pistol.
@Chirality1012 жыл бұрын
@Catfish then that would be kinda broken because now u cover all ranges and do more damage then a pistol with more ammo if it was a secondary, That would be sick as hell tho!
@Chirality1012 жыл бұрын
@Catfish I would say a bit less dmg and a tiny slower fire rate
@apurpledragon3 жыл бұрын
"Scout I respect the hustle, you'll get somebody I promise." *LITERALLY 2 FUCKING SECONDS LATER*
@EthVortexShield2 жыл бұрын
To be fair he did promise
@doctorprepologedyedeyadede35422 жыл бұрын
I guess sniper really is down under after all!
@tysongaming42042 жыл бұрын
"LONG LIVE THE KING..."
@vivelespatat26702 жыл бұрын
He is polite.
@seer62 Жыл бұрын
he was one of the RNGods in disguise
@juega3313 жыл бұрын
The shortstop is the personification of "he is a little confused but he got the spirit"
@pissthrower44773 жыл бұрын
I gots an idea for it tell me what you think. It should fire 5 pellets that deal 12 damage so 60 damage a shot .and if right mouse it fires all the shots but at a 35%less damage so it adds up to a 160 damage burst . But the things spread is wider than stock and falls off sooner. So its a high damage burst weapon that reloads fast but at anything other than close to close-mid range it worse than stock. Also m1 fires faster so its not super weak at 60 damage a shot.
@zaroio25333 жыл бұрын
@@pissthrower4477 the short stop is supposed to be better at mid-long range lol
@pissthrower44773 жыл бұрын
@@zaroio2533 ya its a different way of looking at it. It does have short in the name. Maybe it could easily stop people at shot range.
@spoopaconhojitas38293 жыл бұрын
@@pissthrower4477 Scout named it the Shortstop after the thing that one chick with the bucket of chicken called him mid-intercourse, except that he didn't know what it meant
@CunnyMuncher3 жыл бұрын
@@pissthrower4477 It doesn't need changing to make it better, its arguably better than his stock because of the instant reload with little downsides. The damage doesn't fall off as much as you'd figure, from my experience using it.
@epicguy2283 жыл бұрын
It's best at psychological warfare, as killing someone with a shove will cause them to uninstall.
@LeoYoshi543213 жыл бұрын
I once died to a *_random crit shove_* . That was over 8 months ago and I haven't touched the game since
@LeoYoshi543213 жыл бұрын
@DragonfishJames shove deals 1 damage, i had 3 health left and was running to a health pack, i got shoved and died. and the scout started freaking out about the random crit shove.
@epicguy2283 жыл бұрын
@@LeoYoshi54321 A *fucking what*
@LeoYoshi543213 жыл бұрын
@DragonfishJames it is the ultimate shame, i can not play TF2 again
@BabyGhast42 жыл бұрын
Why is the face in your profile picture fit so well with what you’re saying.
@tpgildersleeve3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t mind an “Annoying weapon academy” where we try to find ways of not being obnoxious with weapons generally used to piss people off lol
@flopaflop4203 жыл бұрын
Phlogistinator, Scorch Shot, and Wrangler: *it's free real estate!*
@ImprisionArchieves3 жыл бұрын
@@flopaflop420 why wrangler manual aiming sucks and the shield does do little when the sentry is out ranges. The short circuit seems like the more annoying one with how for solider if he doesn’t have a shotgun he can’t fight at all.
@PissJohn3 жыл бұрын
@@ImprisionArchieves Found the soldier main who shout at medics at pub for healing the 12 hp scout instead of pocketing him. short circuit is extremely balanced and a good sidegrade in most situations, and in cases where engineers can abuse it's alt fire by the infinite metal supply of the payload usually good coordination and a few flankers can solve the case even easier than flanking regular engineers since the alt fire spamming engies usually have huge tunnelvision on the other hand, the wrangler actually give sentries a 66% damage resistance so a competent engineer can completely negate multiple uberpushes . as a medic/engineer/demo main i can say the wrangler is annoying af
@ImprisionArchieves3 жыл бұрын
@@PissJohn first off all defensive Scottish resistance or engine main. I was just saying that in a lot of cinarios the short circuit can deny the right to attack with certain sets which can be annoying to fight against.
@ImprisionArchieves3 жыл бұрын
@@PissJohn also wrangler got nerfed so it can’t survive Uber and one spy during the wrangler messes it up and you rip threw ammo so fast that you can’t keep using wrangler so your more likely just salty at engineers who can actually use the tool effectively, ( I’m also a short circuit engineer so yeah you got that completely wrong )
@ESloytan2 жыл бұрын
The buff the shortstop needs is actually really simple for it’s intended use: a fixed spray pattern. It’s difficult to use at midrange because it’s basically trying to aim with the Beggar’s Bazooka. The shove is given greater use as a defensive tool to KEEP them at midrange
@PancakebatterLuigi Жыл бұрын
@@CricetoFunni Yes, it’s designed to be mid range but the damage fall off is still the same.
@@CricetoFunni I've played on a server where they merely buffed its reload speed. Made the sounds of the reload not match up but the extra reload speed was nice. However, that shove... why does it exist? Outside of having a low damaging way to mess with friendly players, I don't see much good use for it. Any opportunities where you can shove a player into danger you are better off just shooting them... or even using the Force-A-Nature instead. The weapon plays best at ranges where the shove isn't useful.
@BackOff_xd10 ай бұрын
@@CricetoFunnisame thing i did had as an idea for my Weapon Rebalance ideas, basically, the minimum fall-off becomes 50% to 75% so Also, the hidden stat of 33% less maximum Ramp-up (175% to 150%) would be removed, so it can be better close range.
@BackOff_xd10 ай бұрын
@@Techhunter_Talonhonestly the Shove should get an more Airblast-like air strafe reduction so, like, not as bad as Airblast's one but still.
@abhijithsenthilnathan98413 жыл бұрын
How can a weapon be bad when you can shove people around and bully them, while still being considered friendly
@fanimation6173 жыл бұрын
someone actually did that to me in a server and was very funny
@robyjacker3 жыл бұрын
the only friendly way to kill someone is by either taunting (some might seem friendly, like the heavy pow one, as it does not require guns) or pushing people with the shortstop
@KingOfNotHere2 жыл бұрын
@@robyjacker Throw Jarate at them then laugh.
@mr.tatortot64693 жыл бұрын
The short stop is a secondary trying to be a primary
@bajangaco40193 жыл бұрын
I wish the shortstop had a faster firing speed by just a little
@thatonescienceguy82003 жыл бұрын
In a nutshell, yes
@bajangaco40193 жыл бұрын
@Poe Soul that would create the stop light combo; force o, nature, shortstop, sandman
@yuddpudd3 жыл бұрын
@Poe Soul It would be a bit op, because not only would you have the Scattergun, amongst the strongest weapons in the game, now you have a mid to long range mini-shotgun-thing, allowing you to finishing off targets outside your Scattergun range
@caffeinatedcrusader68663 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, you're so right.
@Skullhawk133 жыл бұрын
Anyone else remember that period where value just kept buffing the crit-a-cola until eventually it was +mini-crits+speed boost, all for only a small enough damage taken debuff that you couldn't even be one-shot by a rocket
@gangstascout35933 жыл бұрын
valve weapon balances are honestly absolutely baffaling like "theres this laser pistol that does jack shit, guess we gotta nerf it to the 7th circle of hell, also lets buff the scorch shot again, thats a good idea"
@Artician2 жыл бұрын
@@gangstascout3593 At least it's not as bad as Blizzard's balancing, those guys could give mercy a tool to instantly and permanently heal all teammates with no penalties and think it's balanced.
@alex_zetsu Жыл бұрын
There was a time when if you got jarated, it would last so long that you could drink the crit-a-cola (which made you take mini crits at this time), run for the entire duration of the drink and shoot people, and still be affected by the debuff. And at this time jarate was used by just about everyone in pubs. If you were running the stock scattergun and tried to meatshot a Sniper, there was enough time for him, if his ping was low and his reaction was good, to turn and jarate you even if you'd get your next shot in before he could switch to his melee. So the version that made you take mini crits mean you had no downsides if you drank it immediately after being jarated. When they changed it to the damage debuff that you couldn't be one shot by a non direct hit rocket, it was sort of a nerf if the other side had 3 snipers since the jarate and the damage debuff would stack and that meant any chip damage would hurt a lot. So they gave it an all around buff, but made it less useful against an already overpowered weapon...
@The_ace-1233 Жыл бұрын
My favorite game developer Value
@ekris5072 Жыл бұрын
@@Artician*battle mercy flashbacks*
@crackersphdinwumbology2831 Жыл бұрын
3:40 is nobody going to talk about the fact he probably got one of the world's only non-crit fan of war kills ever recorded
@HuonPiper-ir4yj6 ай бұрын
yes.
@Groaker3 жыл бұрын
Give it the "Fires a Fixed Shot Pattern" like the Panic Attack, keep the reload gimmick, include one more pellet to make a cross pattern/amp up the damage slightly, and take off the ridiculous shove and increased pushback. Now you have a mid-range weapon people will use.
@bloxindoez37183 жыл бұрын
id keep the shove and make it a bit more ranged and powerful for the memes lol
@ApexGale3 жыл бұрын
leave the shove in, it doesn't harm the scout and you can technically combo the shove with the shortstop shots. if he's gonna be entering melee range for it at least let it be rewarding
@clunk423 жыл бұрын
I feel like giving it a fixed shot pattern would make it harder to do more damage at mid-range, since fixed shot patterns (usually) have the spread built in, making some of your pellets impossible to ever hit (at mid-range), while without the fixed shot pattern, you can get lucky and hit with all your pellets. I've never played the game with a fixed shot pattern on the shortstop, so I don't actually know if what I said would be the case for that weapon in particular, but from what I know, it probably would be. I'd say that the only change it could really use to be better, but still balanced, would be to give it the same max ramp-up as all the other scatterguns, so it does 175% damage at close range instead of 150%. Then, it would do 21-84 damage at close range, instead of 18-72, which is still less than the stock's 11-105, but if you're good at aiming it, it should be the superior weapon, since you'll hit with more of the pellets. If they did what you're suggesting, it would be almost a straight upgrade to stock. It would have the same theoretical max damage as stock (except for meatshots, which would deal 18-90 damage, compared to stock's 11-105), reload more efficiently, have more consistent damage, and the pellets would be easier to hit with, in exchange for holding 33% less ammo.
@percher48243 жыл бұрын
@@clunk42 big disagree. you can get unlucky with the spread and miss everything, so fixed pattern is better. not to mention that shortstop already has a tighter spread so it works out.
@xx_lunchmeat_xx7523 жыл бұрын
make the push force really long range and really strong force and it would be ok
@StarManMatt13 жыл бұрын
I don't need sleep. I need Bad Weapon Academy.
@JanKowalski-mx5zm3 жыл бұрын
for me it's 10:30 am
@HakaeRich_694203 жыл бұрын
same
@sentryahead38543 жыл бұрын
Yes. It helps me survive the meetings
@marleyandme7983 жыл бұрын
Same here
@Brackets_Guy3 жыл бұрын
@fire_wall238tripp73 жыл бұрын
This weapon falls in one of theew categories 1: they're new and dont know that the stock is actually better 2:they have a strange varient 3: they're actually really good with this
@vyor88372 жыл бұрын
I'm number 3. Mostly because I treat it like I would the direct hit at range.
@rickjenkins57192 жыл бұрын
My option- if theres a bunch of pyros I want to just backpedal
@vyor88372 жыл бұрын
@@rickjenkins5719 use a pistol for that
@AliceLoverdrive2 жыл бұрын
When I started playing TF2, I grabbed every unlock, assuming that if the game has weapons purchasable by real money, it must be P2W.
@bupmcbup8080 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much every bad weapon falls in those categories
@BrickiestBrick3 жыл бұрын
I love using the shortstop, and I wouldn’t say it’s too bad at close range. If you’re able to hit all the shots, the DPS makes it a great option. I’d say it’s a pretty decent side grade.
@Therealnumberfive Жыл бұрын
Thats what I’m sayin
@PhoenixStriker13 жыл бұрын
I like how despite being a 14 year old game we all still run into 8 year olds using mics
@dangergun23463 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly glad every time i hear an annoying squeaker, new people are coming to the game to keep it alive
@PhoenixStriker13 жыл бұрын
@@dangergun2346 Do I wanna hear squeakers? No. Do I appreciate that squeakers are helping keep the game alive? Yes.
@perhapsYoYo3 жыл бұрын
@@PhoenixStriker1 sometimes hearing squeakers are funny, sometimes it isnt
@catrielmarignaclionti45183 жыл бұрын
@@perhapsYoYo and sometimes the squeker has been playing for a year and is better than you, the you enter an existencial crisis of you losing your abilities of old age, your reflexes and your self worth. The he gets vacbanned
@jabuticaba40033 жыл бұрын
@@catrielmarignaclionti4518 worth it
@NewbyTon3 жыл бұрын
I only use the shortstop to shove big bots into my teammates to get them killed in MvM
@bajangaco40193 жыл бұрын
Imma message in case this comment blows up, but also true
@betriz_073 жыл бұрын
I use the shortstop to snipe sentries .-.
@saltytea73673 жыл бұрын
I love you and I hate you.
@szelski.3 жыл бұрын
you ask for it - make a post on tacobot.tf -
@eltiolavara93 жыл бұрын
to get the bots killed or the teammates
@stetstetstitstreats3 жыл бұрын
i feel like there should be a stat for some weapons where they suffer less fall-off. it'd make some very confused weapons fit into their niche a bit better. like say, the enforcer has the niche of piercing damage resistances, but none of it matters since it does nothing at long range, and at close range, you can just backstab. if they changed the enforcer to have this reduced falloff stat instead of that weird increased damage while disguised, it'd actually be good in different situations than the other revolvers. it's partially the same thing with the shortstop. the shortstop deals a little more damage at longer ranges because of the tighter spread, but with the falloff, it's mostly the difference between doing 30 damage and 10. it's a lot weaker in close range, and only a little better at mid-long range, so what if they made it stronger at mid-long range with my proposed reduced falloff stat? i think it'd actually be good for once
@maxhadanidea2 жыл бұрын
the shortstop has reversed fall off
@stetstetstitstreats2 жыл бұрын
@@maxhadanidea it does not. each bullet simply does double damage, and there are only 4 pellets per shot instead of 10. it may seem like it has reduced fall-off compared to the other scatterguns, but it's not a stat of the weapon, as the damage fall-off values are still the same for the shortstop. what i'm saying is that the shortstop should have the damage fall-off value changed so it's actually effective at a mid range, instead of just okayish at mid range
@maxhadanidea2 жыл бұрын
@@stetstetstitstreats oh
@himanshuwilhelm553410 ай бұрын
Imagine this: Alt fire just unloads all four shots at once, meaning 16 pellets for 192 damage, but it breaks scouts wrist.
@trashbash27883 жыл бұрын
3:02 "...Which pushes enemies back a small amount." He said as he shoved a Soldier with Mantreads.
@Mega_idk3 жыл бұрын
lmao
@slyseal20913 жыл бұрын
good eyes
@taffyadam60313 жыл бұрын
Damn you’re right
@theweaponstealr59173 жыл бұрын
As someone who uses the back scatter on scout (strange and has over 500 kills), being patient is your friend with all of the bad scout primaries. Just like a spy, the bad primaries require you to wait for the right time to strike, and when they show up, that's when you become terrifying. A good example of this is the shortstop against a fleeing heavy: they will be to busy retreating to a medkit, dispenser, or use their sandvich to notice you and the shortstop can delete this tank in about a second.
@hotpinkfryingpan76153 жыл бұрын
Back scatter is so underrated. You basically just treat it like a spectrum, from shortstop to stock to back scatter. It peaks at close range and is much easier to drop snipers and meds with.
@TheKing-qz9wd3 жыл бұрын
From my experience, a Syringe Gun can do the same thing if you're a crack shot.
@theweaponstealr59173 жыл бұрын
@@TheKing-qz9wd Guess what Medic primary I use.
@jynxvxa83423 жыл бұрын
If you do well with the Back scatter its not because the weapon is viable its because you’re a competent scout but no matter how well you do with the back scatter im sorry to say you’d do better with stock
@theweaponstealr59173 жыл бұрын
@@jynxvxa8342 I know I would do better with stock. I use it because I enjoy it as a nice challenge. It’s like beating FNF on hard instead of normal: it’s fun and rewarding to do well with the harder setting.
@MrKolny2 жыл бұрын
I found a very interesting use for the shove - pushing enemy spies away when they're about to backstab someone. Doesn't happen often, but i can confirm i had the chance to do that twice, if the damage isnt gonna stop him in time from backstabbing your medic, it's always better to push him away and have him backstab your scout instead.
@gamingmaster63772 жыл бұрын
if you're at the range to push him away, considering it takes half a second for the shove to push the spy away, bodyblocking is going to be more effective and consistent. Don't search for a reason to use the shove, it's BAD
@MrKolny Жыл бұрын
@@gamingmaster6377 You won't always be in a position to body block him, especially if you're coming from the side while the spy is Right at your medic. I'm not saying it excuses the weapon, but at least it's a use for an otherwise useless ability
@vyor88376 ай бұрын
Just... shoot him? It's just 2 shots to kill him, he only has 125 health after all...
@lamb62762 ай бұрын
@@vyor8837 You must be assuming I have good aim, which I don't.
@vyor88372 ай бұрын
@@lamb6276 I guess that's fair
@linksbro12 жыл бұрын
I think the alt fire should be that you fire all remaining rounds in the gun but has increased bullet spread, making it an emergency close range panic button.
@my9thaccount140 Жыл бұрын
That’s definitely way better than the shove in terms of usage.
@jackstorm6707 ай бұрын
Or maybe it'd fire 2 shots at the same time with double the spread? Would help give it *some* close range punch and be good as a panic (if you aim)
@Moss_Dude3 жыл бұрын
The first BWA where you can already festivize it
@coolnineteenfourthreethreesix3 жыл бұрын
brass beast
@sentryahead38543 жыл бұрын
The second one
@techedbirb66633 жыл бұрын
God damn it almost 400 people forgot the brass beast
@Moss_Dude3 жыл бұрын
@@techedbirb6663 lol
@rokkraljkolesa93173 жыл бұрын
@@techedbirb6663 666 now
@Tom-H13 жыл бұрын
A potential fix for this weapon to make it's mid range role actually... Work... Is to make the bullets have lowered dropoff. That way you can be mid range but deal close to max damage, and this can be viable while not overpowered.
@TheDualGamers10002 жыл бұрын
Or just have the pellets have some kind of reverse damage falloff, kind of like the Crossbow. Would make the gun a lot more satisfying to use.
@bawower474 Жыл бұрын
Problem is that it's gonna be a bit hard to balance. You do NOT want the shortstop to deal as much damage as a close range scatter gun. If it's strong enough to be noticeable on the ennemi's part the stat would have to be lowered.
@mariustan9275 Жыл бұрын
@@bawower474 What if like the other dude said make it do reverse falloff? It does more at arange but less at CQC.
@vyor88376 ай бұрын
@@mariustan9275 that would be overpowered.
@mariustan92756 ай бұрын
@@vyor8837 Yeah come to think of it that would be pretty strong. While reduced damage falloff is interesting for someone like Scout whose Shortstop isn't too bad it could potentially be OP. Maybe just reduced falloff. Also give it a decent secondary ability that isn't mostly useless like Maybe reduce secondary cooldown on kill.
@stargost2338 Жыл бұрын
3:48 This might be the only time in all of TF2 that a scout managed to kill someone with a non-crit fan-o-war hit.
@itsCbomb3 жыл бұрын
14:17 imagine being the spy that gets accidentally killed here
@FIVEBASKET2 жыл бұрын
Pain
@larrychilders65992 жыл бұрын
As fun as being the spy disguised as Huntsman Sniper
@The_ace-1233 Жыл бұрын
as is the case with playing spy
@NotFineАй бұрын
Regular spy gameplay
@benbot07333 жыл бұрын
I can die happy knowing Fish talked about my favorite scout primary
@bajangaco40193 жыл бұрын
Dont worry he’ll talk about the bat saber soon
@cinemalazare48503 жыл бұрын
@@bajangaco4019 NOO
@bajangaco40193 жыл бұрын
@@cinemalazare4850 you owe me 1000$ if he does
@cinemalazare48503 жыл бұрын
@@bajangaco4019 lol
@ziqrsx3 жыл бұрын
@@cinemalazare4850 better start saving
@BottleOBile3 жыл бұрын
Bad weapon academy: you have a 40% chance of being good in mvm
@Breakaway-ic5gj2 жыл бұрын
Casual: Umm... The higher damage is gud but the the slower rev up- MVM: _T H A T ' S A L O T O F D A M A G E_
@moonlightact17922 жыл бұрын
@@Breakaway-ic5gj gotta love how the gas passer is both the worst weapon in casual and the best weapon in mvm
@YourLocalRaider Жыл бұрын
@Aquarium Gravel The proper MvM Scout main grindset. Only collect cash and do absolutely nothing else.
@duncanchillake8024 Жыл бұрын
@@YourLocalRaider mad milk? Marking robots? Killing snipers? Shooting giants? Who needs all that shwicky scwack
@duatia53153 жыл бұрын
I actually like the shortstop. Its lower spread and fast firing speed allow for excellent burst damage, as long as you can hit your shots. Even if it’s not as good as it used to be, it’s very useful, so long as you just ignore the shove, since the shove is literally useless. Shortstop, criti-cola, and atomizer is my go-to loadout when I’m in the mood for it. The shortstop and criti-cola combo allows for good, consistent damage, because the mini-crits multiply your damage by two, so it deals much more damage. It’s not perfect, and it certainly has its flaws, but it’s a lot of fun. And the shove has great meme-potential.
@Orthane3 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was funny that the Shortstop's shove is one of the few things 99.9% of players agree on. It's pointless, why does it exist?
@Kyle_Reese2 жыл бұрын
I think the shove is more of a push to push them away to encourage scouts to be more mid range, i think valve just mis-interpreted and called it a shove, the reason why the shove is weak is because its also to get away faster into mid-range
@andreasottohansen73382 жыл бұрын
Because it is hilarious, and meant for bullying people.
@rawhide_kobayashi2 жыл бұрын
it's really more useful in MvM than he lets on... if you play with misc randoms. I've saved more games than I care to count by pitting the bomb bot with the shove, or just bodyblocking/jostling bots around with ti.
@whisk3675 Жыл бұрын
Because it's funny
@reinefurnaceIII Жыл бұрын
Righteous Bison: Am I a joke to you?
@TheLegend2T3 жыл бұрын
“Then let me festivi- oh wait, I can festivize it!” That’s the most beautiful thing I’ve ever heard
@plantelo3 жыл бұрын
Slight correction: The Shortstop has precisely 80% of the scattergun's damage. At point blank, it deals less damage than excpected because it has the default 50% ramp-up instead of the scatterguns' increased 75% (probably due to historically being a pistol-type weapon). This decreases its max damage to 80% × (150% ÷ 175%) = ~68.57% of the scattergun's. So point blank, this gun does deal roughly 30% less damage, but that's point blank. Otherwise, it's a clean 20%.
@rolandcsoli38893 жыл бұрын
bojler eladó
@TheKing-qz9wd3 жыл бұрын
The hard math.
@rakstar3433 жыл бұрын
@@TheKing-qz9wd the hard meth
@ediodimacaroni3 жыл бұрын
@@rakstar343 call walter white
@Hu-kun3 жыл бұрын
I think that's the same man who has found the damage calculation of the Equalizer
@sentryahead38543 жыл бұрын
The shortstop + crit-a-cola or fan o' war is like the Liberty Launcher + buff banner.
@cameronballz61543 жыл бұрын
I actually use the Shortstop because of how often I'm put in mid range, and not close range
@m0ntz9363 жыл бұрын
I’ve always been a fan of the shortstop, it’s rewarding to land your shots with the tighter bullet spread and the increased firing speed
@pissthrower44773 жыл бұрын
I gots an idea for it tell me what you think. It should fire 5 shots that deal 12 damage so 60 a shot, and if right mouse it fires all the shots but at a 35%less damage so it adds up to a 160 damage burst . But the things spread is wider than stock and falls off sooner. So its a high damage burst weapon that reloads fast but at anything other than close to close-mid range it worse than stock.
@slysamuel59023 жыл бұрын
@@pissthrower4477 TL;DR at the end. I don’t personally like this weapon change because it does 60 damage when the short stop does 70 damage and still isn’t very good. 60 damage is not only less than the current version, but is literally less damage than most melee weapons (on other classes). However dealing 160 damage for the alt-fire with the only needs being to get close and press the right mouse button, seems like it would be incredibly annoying. That would one-shot 5 out of 9 classes and leave 3 of the other classes scrambling with 40-15 health. And considering scout can so easily get close to someone due to his speed, this might be arguably just as annoying as a stock + crit a cola combo. So imagine getting minicrits and then insta-killing 8 out of 9 classes with this changed shortstop and crit a cola, because 160 times 135% (minicrit damage) makes for 216 damage. That would literally instantly decimate a lv. 3 building if they took crit/minicrit damage. TL;DR This version of the shot stop would have a worse version of the current primary fire, but would have an overpowered alt-fire.
@slysamuel59023 жыл бұрын
@@pissthrower4477 Don’t feel discouraged to make weapon concepts though since not only is it fun, but you get better at making balanced concepts the more you learn about how to balance items.
@OutlawedPoet3 жыл бұрын
the shortstop is perfect for the community mode vs saxton hale, especially on bigger maps like reservoir. the tighter spread lets you stay far away from the hale while still managing to do insane damage. hell, even the shove can be useful against a vagineer who just raged and is going for your medic, or on skyhigh resort which you can use the shove to push a hale off the map or, if you're lucky, into a train. the shove mechanic can actually be better than airblast because airblast gives the hale free rage, while the shove does not
@gunfiend51753 жыл бұрын
When I first saw it, I was like: "Wait why isn't that scout using his primary?"
@MrLemonscod3br3ak3r2 жыл бұрын
You can almost 4-shot a full health Heavy, dealing +288 damage. If he’s taken one bullet, you’re set to kill him. Or if not, one or two pistol shots should do it. The Shortstop is definitely one of my top choices.
@OlaftheGreat2 жыл бұрын
For some reason "Of course the Natascha heavy is using the Fists of Steel, why wouldn't he?" cracks me up every time
@poopyjoe74352 жыл бұрын
fist of steel kind of screws over a sniper for little tradeoff
@turkishjanitor36662 жыл бұрын
It's that Seth Rogen-like voice, isn't it?
@2fortcow Жыл бұрын
@@poopyjoe7435 he deserves it
@clanglois7813 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is that the shortstop is scouts best way to kill tanks in mvm due to the fact it reloads his entire kit at once allowing you just spam the tank insanely fast.
@BadyearOakarus3 жыл бұрын
i feel like when talking about the shortstop people take the shove way too seriously like sure it's useless but i feel like it's meant more as a joke than anything like one of the devs found the animation somewhere and put it in as a meme
@devlintaylor95203 жыл бұрын
exactly, i dont even think it deserves a bad weapon academy
@thepersonman53803 жыл бұрын
The shortstop is not bad. It just changes your play style. Same thing goes with weapons like The Huntsman, Sydney Sleeper and Market Gardener
@devlintaylor95203 жыл бұрын
@@thepersonman5380 yea i think he needed to use it more, because it really isnt that bad
@ebanatnatria64093 жыл бұрын
It's not bad, but you should use stock in almost every situation. And while Force-a-Nature is still some-what good, because it has good burst to compensate lower dps, Shortstop is just better in medium range. Like, why would you use Scout over Demo/Soldier in mid-range combat?
@devlintaylor95203 жыл бұрын
@@ebanatnatria6409 well the scattergun is just waay better than the other ones, the reason i dont use it is because its ugly lol
@micahnightwolf2 жыл бұрын
Something else to note about this gun: it rolls for random crits the same way rapid-fire weapons like the minigun, flamethrower, SMG, and pistol do. So if you're playing on a random crit server and you're lucky enough to receive Gaben's blessing, you don't just get one critical shot. You get however many you can crank off in two seconds. On a scout primary that has a 40% increased fire rate, reloads quickly, and has a four shot clip. Also if you're running it in MvM with upgraded damage, clip size, fire rate, and crit canteens, you can do absolutely broken amounts of damage to the tank.
@frosted32783 жыл бұрын
This video has a better end credits scene than marvel could even dream of
@woahbus3 жыл бұрын
the push mechanic is the only mechanic currently in the game. we are working hard to add more
@Kyle_Reese2 жыл бұрын
What
@shybandit5213 жыл бұрын
I think the shove exists for one reason: Getting out of other scouts advantage range and get the fight back into your advantage range, by way of running in a little, throwing the scouts away, and running backwards until they regain their legs.
@LyritZian3 жыл бұрын
Except the time you spend shoving is time spent _not_ shooting or reloading and _not_ running away normally (and instead being relatively predictable by getting point-blank to land the shove). You'll either die from the start-up of the shove or the endlag of the shove, even if you land it. so ye valve pls fix
@MathematicallyAFox3 жыл бұрын
The Scout will also be out of your shove range most likely since being out of shove range and shooting still does a good amount of damage. And there is nothing stopping the Scout from just firing at you when you push him away, most likely dealing more damage then when you just moved out of its effect range. Plus, the bats might be actually useful with this weapon since it will deal more damage than a point blank Shortstop shot so you can just hit him to scare him away into Shortstop range and dealing a good amount of damage to finish the Scout.
@shybandit5213 жыл бұрын
Yeah I never said it was good or actually useful, it still sucks, I was just trying to suggest why it might have been added in the first place.
@slysamuel59023 жыл бұрын
Didn’t he literally just say this thing in the video (except for no specified class) at 6:56?
@shybandit5213 жыл бұрын
@@slysamuel5902 i mean scout is the only class it might be half useful to use against
@customersevice10252 жыл бұрын
Rebalance idea: The shove is replaced with a sort of forcehofhnature shot where you fire your clip all at once with bigger spread. Pellets amount depends on how many shots are left in the clip and it shots enemies back like the shove.
@McDouggal2 жыл бұрын
It's my favorite Scout primary just because it lets me stay in fights for practically forever. Yes, it has difficulties securing kills, but 4 shots that reload all at once. Yes, the stock scattergun has 2 more shots before it reloads, but when you reload it you either have to fall back or swap for one of your other weapons. Shortstop? Shortstop, you duck around a corner and slap 4 new shells in and pop back around and continue peppering the enemy team. I've literally run out of reserve ammo while taking *no* damage in a 1v4 situation, where the opponents kept on getting chunked low enough that they'd run back to spawn while I just dodged everything they threw at me. No other Scattergun could've done that.
@LyritZian3 жыл бұрын
The Shortstop is my favorite Scout primary, and I _really_ miss when it used to give you better healing. That plus the Candy Cane -- when grenades had a chance to _not_ one-shot you -- was a lot of fun. Just make Candy Cane +20% explosive vulnerability instead of +25%, return Shortstop to its former self, maybe separate its ammo pool from the pistols, and I'd be happy with it. Kind of weird you didn't mention that last part about the ammo, by the way. Oh well ツ Edit: Nevermind, that ammo thing is no longer true. Somehow missed that from 2015.
@AbadabaForever3 жыл бұрын
Wait, I thought the ammo sharing was removed. Is it still there?
@antimatter41283 жыл бұрын
Yeah the candy cane would be way better.
@CongaYT3 жыл бұрын
The ammo sharing part was removed sadly, it was a cool gimmick though
@SerbianKnifeFight3 жыл бұрын
@@CongaYT was it though? Was it really? I just remember it being frustrating because it meant I couldn't use pistols with it unless I wanted to constantly be put of ammo
@LyritZian3 жыл бұрын
@@AbadabaForever Crap, y'all are right. Sorry about that -- weird memory hole on my part.
@HumanPersonYes3 жыл бұрын
I'm getting bored of bad weapon academy, we need "overpowered weapon academy", which teaches us how to use broken weapons ineffectively
@pissthrower44773 жыл бұрын
Good thinkin
@dankmachine3 жыл бұрын
The Scorch Shot: Only aim at your feet The Ubersaw: Play on no random crit server The Wrangler: Constantly hold M1 + M2 and *really* don’t try to aim too well Jarate: Aim much higher than you plan to
@commanderdoom91923 жыл бұрын
@@dankmachine The Wrangler plan may fail to Aim Assist
@LeoYoshi543213 жыл бұрын
Direct Hit: Stand on the other side of a the map and aim where your opponents currently are
@Rubiktor0123 жыл бұрын
@@dankmachine Basher: h i t t h e a i r
@helfire143 жыл бұрын
So, I was in turbine, right? Demo was in the vents, grenades were coming down on the sentry in the intel room. I snuck up behind him and shoved him down. I got to get one last good look at his eyes as he whipped around to face me before he fell. He did not survive. My mind has rejected the idea of the shove mechanic being bad ever since.
@voltronimusprime38333 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to animate this!
@PissJohn3 жыл бұрын
sund smit tf2
@buttercogindustries7 ай бұрын
flying guillotine into shortstop. literally my favorite scout playstyle
@kerbonaut20593 жыл бұрын
The shape of the spread being unsymmetrical really hurts it. If you overshoot, you deal much less damage because its unevenly spread. It should really be changed to a cross.
@pissthrower44773 жыл бұрын
You sayin valve needs jesus
@ShadowGamer3003 жыл бұрын
I think it would make morse sense as a square, given the barrel pattern.
@uStupid243 жыл бұрын
i want to use this in a "your middle school bully" loadout along with the ranged flava flav so i cant really kill anyone but be as much of an annoyance as i can be
@makeitmayhem25333 жыл бұрын
The shortstop is that little brother that wants to be cool but ends up being really annoying to deal with
@Bken963 жыл бұрын
i love the shortstop so much. i really enjoy the passive approach it opens up. honestly i find myself using it basically every time i play scout
@terriblejokefactory88313 жыл бұрын
The Shortstop actually is decent with the Crit-A-Cola. No damage falloff and a tight spread make it decent at mid range combat, and it means the Shortstop has high close range damage
@sealablemite61323 жыл бұрын
I did a brass beast strat and someone said I wasn’t expecting a fat scout to pull out a brass beast... I enjoy the shotgun strat
"Of course the natascha heavy is using the fists of steel, why wouldnt he?" *"M Y A S S"*
@thefirstprimariscatosicari68703 жыл бұрын
Really, all it needs is some kind of buff to health. As you said, it encourages engaging in extended fights, but Scout doesn't have the hp pool to do that. So, a buff to max heath, or gain like in the old version, would greatly improve scouts viability in a sustained fight.
@radonnawisdom67233 жыл бұрын
A health boost would also make the sandman ok again
@Kyle_Reese2 жыл бұрын
+10 max health, idk if its enough, it gives 200 overheal atleast
@mjsugod13852 жыл бұрын
Blackbox Scout?
@blizzard2508-k7n2 жыл бұрын
@@mjsugod1385 That's the pocket pistol.
@bawower474 Жыл бұрын
@@radonnawisdom6723 I mean, Sandman right now has the problem of low reward but high punishment. I think that it deserves to have it's -15 health be removed.
@PanzerOfThySpace3 жыл бұрын
You posted at 1 in the morning for me. Yet I'll still watch it.
@Akunai_3 жыл бұрын
2AM for me when this was posted
@fujiwaranonekobiodrando12573 жыл бұрын
i saw this uploaded 10 hours ago at 2am
@PanzerOfThySpace3 жыл бұрын
@@abhijithsenthilnathan9841 "Albert Einstein says time is irrelevant" -MrBeast, 2019.
@alocalarsonist3 жыл бұрын
FSOAS: "Thanks for that Soundsmith" Clockwork Smurf: **crying intensifies**
@ImprisionArchieves2 жыл бұрын
Flava Flav has always been a Clockwork idea so really I’m not a soundsmith wanna be I’m a clockwork Smurf wanna be. A quote by Soundsmith
@ShadowEclipse7773 жыл бұрын
I just want to say you have good taste in background music in every video Edit: also I miss the healing bonus from Shortstop. I dont play much TF2 anymore, but still forget it got changed
@skullkap67463 жыл бұрын
It looks and feels like a secondary
@fujiwaranonekobiodrando12573 жыл бұрын
and it used to using the same ammo thing.
@JoNarDLoLz3 жыл бұрын
Love how changing the Shortstop to secondary will immediately make jt sound good. Exchanging a faster automatic pistol for a burst shot secondary is a welcome one, especially when paired with the Scattergun.
@TheOneWhoHasABadName3 жыл бұрын
it’s literally a second pistol looks like a pistol, fires like a pistol (except with 4 barrels), supposed to use in mid-long range (not close range) might as well make it an actual pistol
@arlopullman49263 жыл бұрын
Glad you're back on the weapons you can actually give advice for. I'm going to go use the crit-a-cola with the shortstop and not feel bad about it at all.
@undrcovrmallard14632 жыл бұрын
Imagine if you could dual wield this with a secondary weapon. That would be a huge buff. It would have to be reworked a lot, but I think it would be way more interesting.
@normalhumanperson8858 Жыл бұрын
In MVM, the shove can also push giant bomb Scouts away from the bomb hole enough to cancel the deployment animation, so you can stunlock them there since robots don't attack while deploying. This doesn't work on giant Heavies since they have knockback resistance, or if some jackass on your team bodyblocks the knockback...
@bajangaco40193 жыл бұрын
The lord is back
@habibazizi70913 жыл бұрын
Yes
@bajangaco40193 жыл бұрын
@@habibazizi7091 idk why im getting likes all im doing is saying whats on everyones minds
@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury38533 жыл бұрын
No joke,this is one of my most awaited series on YT now.
@bajangaco40193 жыл бұрын
@@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853 this divine being is saving us from the depressing life we live for a few minutes a day and i can respect that.
@cinemalazare48503 жыл бұрын
@@bajangaco4019 WE MEET AGAIN
@xboi36073 жыл бұрын
the shove would be leagues better if it actually had the same range as the airblast, and more force, but personally i don't care since its the ultimate warmup weapon
@athan135903 жыл бұрын
Airblast has a decent range so it's possible to reflect with it.
@odysseysfortune537 Жыл бұрын
Had the captions on while watching this video on mute, but I didn’t realize the captions were in Vietnamese for a bit, so during the beginning of the video I thought you were having a stroke
@usdepartmentoftreasuryinte605226 күн бұрын
this video convinced me to get a collectors shortstop and i must say after a year, have not used it outside of mvm. 10/10
@BadBomb5553 жыл бұрын
Oh Shortstop, it used to be my favorite Scout weapon. I literally had name it _"Best gun ever
@caramelldansen22042 жыл бұрын
Okay, the set bonuses were terrible, though. We can all agree Valve sucks at balancing, but let's not defend pay-to-win in the same breath.
@pgp43213 жыл бұрын
The shortstop is basically the force a nature that's weaker
@hexical3 жыл бұрын
“Like I’m a *Shortstop*” *proceeds to bonk the heavy from medium to long range*
@pgp43213 жыл бұрын
Welp time to edit it to say weaker
@theafrica58963 жыл бұрын
no?
@TheOneWhoHasABadName3 жыл бұрын
it’s not necessarily weaker, just made for different things FaN is used for close range to delete an enemy, while shortstop is used for skirmishes at medium ranges for sustained damage.
@policeperson758910 ай бұрын
i like the shortstop, the fact that my peripheral vision sees a pistol subconsciously makes me feel the need to be more accurate
@frontierdustice3 жыл бұрын
The Force-a-Nature’s knockback is either a good or bad thing depending on if you know how to use it. For the Shortstop, it’s a meme.
@celestialowl88653 жыл бұрын
I think this weapon is honestly misunderstood. The weapon gives you less damage, but let's you fight at mid range. This doesn't seem great at first, until you realize you have 125 health and high mobility. Range is strong for two reasons, firstly because you outperform other scouts in this range, and secondly because projectiles have travel time, and mid range let's you dodge significantly better than at close range. You move from having to preemptively dodge to being able to actively dodge. Lastly, the push is not a mechanic you use during a fight, ever. The push is essentially just for environmental kills and separating medics, but you're the fastest class in the game. Use your mobility to get into situations where thats applicable. I dont really like this weapon, but I've seen people use these specific perks to easily outweigh the downsides. I was honestly kinda surprised this was even considered a bad weapon
@missiontimpossible99943 жыл бұрын
It really is only considered a bad weapon because of its shove mechanic which is VERY situational.
@celestialowl88653 жыл бұрын
@@missiontimpossible9994 I get that sorta, but the weapon is objectively better off with it. I'm not saying it's great, but at worst you don't use it, at best you use it in situational cases. It doesn't make the weapon worse for having it
@kimgkomg3 жыл бұрын
I think it's because valve pissed in our cereal by suggesting that the shove mechanic was worth trading for 20% bonus healing
@javin2.0863 жыл бұрын
You are right
@thepiratedoggo19963 жыл бұрын
I think it's another one of these weapons that i see a lot in TF2 that are touted as being crap but shine in skilled hands. like the Candycane, Direct Hit, etc. I agree with you i think it's a fine weapon, though i do still feel the shove isn't so great.
@mochino_mocha73573 жыл бұрын
I like how the Demo at the start didn't fight back, he wanted to see it happen as much as scout did
@DM-qj7eh3 жыл бұрын
Finally someone mentioned him
@sirminti8228 Жыл бұрын
i honestly like the shortstop in its current form in terms of utility and putting in damage against classes like demoknight, pyro, other scouts, and other short range playstyles like that, i can pop them with a chunk of their hp and usually be reloaded by the time they get to me or i switch to my pistol to chip them down after. If they took away the shove, gave back the healing buff or added more damage to it by adding pellets or damage per pellet (or increased its damage rampup/falloff distance to make it even better at mid range) i think it would be a more widely respected scout side grade, like the direct hit, iron bomber or the tomislav, finding its slightly different niche without losing the core of the gameplay, Flank, harass, get out fast. The SS lets you flank and harass from a safer distance and you have more time to react to advancing pyros, soldier rockets, and demo pills which normally either kill you or force a retreat. I use it with Mad Milk or a pistol usually, and either FoW or a pan for memes if im not playing to win (CTF or Hightower servers usually). Good video, i know im a year late commenting but im a fan of the series and just never got around to watching this video for whatever reason :)
@oweri14192 жыл бұрын
"Scout i appreciate the hussle you'll get somebody" *Scout immediately shoves someone off a cliff-* *clapping-*
@erikhanseisenheber3 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say "And tell 'em Fish sent ya" along with you, but that P alliteration really came out of left field. I am pleasantly surprised.
@purplehaze23583 жыл бұрын
“I guess you could say it comes up short” Shortstop making bad puns.
@davidhong19343 жыл бұрын
I see push has come to shove with these puns
@thunderstudent3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Bright is no longer allowed to make any puns whatsoever
@tymunster3 жыл бұрын
How 2 buff: 1. Change spread angle to be a square instead of an upside down T 2. Slightly increase reload speed 3. Make shove hitbox more forgiving
@yannickgrignon24733 жыл бұрын
Man, this was just my go-to for ages because I INSISTED on using the milkman set, but I'm beginning to realize actual combat ability might be more valuable
@vyor88376 ай бұрын
it's perfectly fine for combat. And I really don't understand why he kept... randomly pressing M2?
@willnovak41733 жыл бұрын
Man, these BWA videos have become like comfort food for me ngl, super well put together and amazing how quick they come out lately! I just hope you’re not getting too burnt out making these, can’t even imagine how much work goes into practicing with all these weapons and their potential combos
@m0ntz9363 жыл бұрын
For buffing the thing, I’d decrease the reload speed, and instead of just flat increasing the damage, I say increase the damage slightly on every consecutive shot. This would make it even more satisfying to quickly hit all your shots on an enemy Oh and bring back the increased healing
@MrH0m30wner3 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of increasing the damage after every consecutive shot, I've never heard that idea. I also agree that 20% less damage is way too steep, it should definitely be 15%-10%. The healing mechanique was fun as hell but kinda broken, id say remove the shove and replace it with a weaker version of the healing machanique. If valve did this the shortstop would go from a niche to an actual viable choice next to stock.
@m0ntz9363 жыл бұрын
@@MrH0m30wner I agree, but I don’t really see a point in removing the shove as it’s pretty much useless and doesn’t effect serious play, it shouldn’t be removed because of how good it is for goofin off
@kysickle18703 жыл бұрын
For over 4 years playing Tf2 I always thought the Shortstop was a secondary cause it was technically a pistol
@Nyhde Жыл бұрын
One thing that I realized when I started using the Shortstop is that it forces scouts to practice their aim. For that reason, it's nowadays my favourite for warmup. Also, should you get bodyblocked by an enemy, the shove can come into use about once a week.
@Florescentia023 жыл бұрын
Would you consider doing a "op weapon academy"?
@Luc-vb6zt3 жыл бұрын
there's really no point on showing people how to best utilize already good weapons
@batfang25animations393 жыл бұрын
@@Luc-vb6zt I mean he can say how to nerf and balance them or something
@ceae693 жыл бұрын
@@Luc-vb6zt he can do the opposite, like show them how to "not use" the weapon
@nicholasho15953 жыл бұрын
He already kind of is. He made a post on youtube saying that he's writing a script about the scorch shot.
@alphads20003 жыл бұрын
I would rather have a counter op weapons academy
@ForwardStory3 жыл бұрын
I’d have to disagree with the notion that the shortstop punishes you in literally any regard. The lower damage is made up for by the firing speed, and the firing speed and reloading its entire clip at once means you’ll be pumping out more shots. I’m not even that good at the game and I’ve topscored the last ~12 games I’ve played using the whole special delivery set. The shortstop is actually how I got my first 5ks way back.
@sleeby5262 жыл бұрын
While I think that the downsides can be over exaggerated, I don’t agree with the no punish notion, as they said the tighter spread gives you less margin for error, you can’t hit your shots as much, it’s obviously not meant for you to get close, which, if you play stock scout for an extended period of time, is hard to resist the urge to get in, get a kill and get out, and having what is effectively a burst pistol in your primary slot makes it much harder to play aggressively as you can’t get too close, making it much easier for enemies to push into you, so it’s a fine weapon, but not without punishment for playing as the ‘typical scout’
@ForwardStory2 жыл бұрын
@@sleeby526 I'd still have to disagree that the tighter spread is a punishment. I use the Shortstop regularly now and the tight spread's ability to out-range everything is incredibly powerful. Most classes are specialized around mid-range, and all are capable at it, and the Shortstop allows you to keep that ability, with the additional niche of even longer ranges, and it comes up not just more than you'd expect, but in my experience, almost every interaction is benefitted by the range. The shortstop doesn't punish people by having a tighter spread, it just forgives people less. It's like saying that you shouldn't be punished for missing your shots, and that's what Engineer's in the game for.
@sonofniptwit2 жыл бұрын
I love these videos starts with a counterclaim (the footage of good use of the weapon in question) then a rebuttal (showing that the weapon is still trash) and the rest of the video is cold, hard stats for the watcher to analyze themselves
@naenae6693 жыл бұрын
What would be dope is if they added more bullets and removed the shove mechanic. They could then replace the shove with a neat mechanic allowing you to shoot all 4 bullets.
@thriftstorechicken33952 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's actually a good idea. Maybe we could add the same thing for the force a nature.
@B_Ooze3 жыл бұрын
Honestly my favorite series on KZfaq. Thanks!
@trevorrose37693 жыл бұрын
I just woke up, opened up KZfaq on my phone, saw the thumbnail on my recommendation feed. Today is going to be a good day :)
@DatBoiChucklez2 жыл бұрын
11:20 don’t forget the Holy Mackerel, best melee weapon in the game. Mine is named “O’Fortuna”
@tejfolmestor2 ай бұрын
My fav. weapon is the shortstop! -Why? Here is why: -load the entire clip once: not like the FaN or the Soda Popper=doesn't take away 4 ammo if you fire one. So that is why its great with the auto reload. -the push isn't great, but usable. -it's a sniper rifle wanna be -the shove is funny! Like a meme and funny too.
@Flowey_the_Flower.13 күн бұрын
this is a good mid range weapon,it wasn't made for close combat (and people just need to ignore the shove ability)
@incrediblemew96613 жыл бұрын
me who enjoys shortstop usage : *oh its bad i guess*
@E_blanknamehere3 жыл бұрын
I can respect that right there 2:01 Not killing the taunting guy is true tf2 chivalry
@Noxzeal3 жыл бұрын
Fish: Medic‘s Übersaw has a 100% crit rate. Me: *rembers the pan, or (mine always crits) the Amputator* pls don‘t kill for not using Meta. (I use the Blutsauger, Quick fix, and Amputator)
@Masterchief05212 жыл бұрын
Me: hasn't played TF2 in years nor has any desire to go back to it Also me, seeing a TF2 video: "ah yes, excellent"