Knowing that we could've had an -actually good- not quite as bad training course for TF2 pains me on a level I cannot describe.

A sorta "singleplayer" thing where every character had their own fun, in-depth training course like this would be SO SO SO good for the game. And imagine if, after completing each course, and doing optional bonus things, that's how you unlock all of (or a lot of) the class-specific weapon unlockables. Really sad that we can't get something like this :(

I think even without giving the other classes such elaborate courses, just having this for soldier would be enough to help new players. Soldier is a good fundementals class, and this seems to focus more on general gameplay than learning his particular ins-and-outs anyway - going from basic aim to movement, to defending an objective and using map control, to avoiding and destroying buildings, to capturing objectives, culminating with a full game of dustbowl.

Pointbreaker is so surreal for being MASSIVE by Valve standards. It still has the feel and general layout of a Valve map, but like if it was stung by a bee.

That feels like an entire singleplayer campaign. Just imagine doing a rocket jump map while being shot at, or some kind of mirrors edge level for scout, or a stealth mission for spy, or maybe a sniper mission where he gets hired by CIA to assassinate Joh-

Man, you KNOW someone's gonna start speed running that targets map. Think of how optimized that would be while showcasing the peak of TF2 movement and precision.

I wish this was in the game sooooo bad

This means there is now official valve content in which BLU team is intended to win. Wow, never thought I'd see the day.

It's nice to know that some of the devs had fun creating, coding and playing these types of maps. They seem very fun

The fact that there was gonna be an *official* rocket jumping map hurts me

Valve really made one of the most comprehensive tutorials of all time, realized they were gonna have to do the same for every class and then completely abandoned the project

i can't quite get my finger on why, but these maps looks absolutely sick, just aesthetically i find them really cool, maybe it's just something in me missing tf2 but these are wonderful

4 point dustbowl IS real and it CAN hurt you

It would've been amazing to see each class get there own training courses.

The use of coins or tokens to guide the player on how to do basic rocket jumping is clever, I like that, shame these maps went unused

I appreciate your work so much shounic, this content is invaluable to those who have a deep interest in TF2 but don't have the technical understanding of the game's code to interpret everything you cover in your videos.

I understand why Valve scrapped these (doing multiple entire tutorial maps for every class would've been a huge resource sink) however I really hope if the community comes together and finishes what they started, Valve might be interested in adding these to the tutorial.

I wonder what TF2 would be like if these maps were in the game. The score and time could probably make for great speedrunning the solo maps.

This would have been so fun and educational to new players, I am mad this never made it in. Edit: Also there could be a training speedrun category for TF2 if this was in the game.

That rocket jump tower reminds me so much of the quake live rocket jump course, as the basic jumps were just as easy, but continued getting more and more difficult until you couldn't continue, which determined your skill rating, and the difficulty level against bots. With a bit of work, valve could have easily made something just as good

Bridge of death kinda feels like a very early concept for MVM, as in, it could've inspired it, bots spanning in, following a psth and winning when reaching the end

Seeing all this after so many years makes me see that at least the TF2 dev team was really passionate about their game, but it also seems that even they did not know the full extent of the gameplay they created, still, this is good work. Alas, makes me wonder if something else happened other than just being tired of working on the same thing so many years and wanting to move on with new stuff.

shounic can you do a video on what would a game of tf2 look like if there was friendly fire? With solider and demo being so popular classes I think this would be really interesting to see. Other things to look out for would be would a huo long heater heavy be detrimental to the team if the game mode was payload instead of normally being an ok choice? would pyros no longer be good at spychecking if he was constantly igniting his teammates? What if mad milk and Jarate could affect your team as well as the enemies?

I just now realize how cool a single player “story mode” would be in a game like tf2.. hard bots, completing objectives however you can with whatever class you want / a set class would be so cool….

So you're telling me, training was ACTUALLY GOOD back then, but nobody ever finished making it classic valve move

This looks pretty cool. It would have made Spy training a lot more fun.

I'd love to see how these maps would be played in a normal 12v12 game

wait, you're telling me i could've had a good, fun tutorial, and instead i got an extremely basic course, then a glorified practice mode? what the heck volvo

If only valve made better tutorials for new players, that is why many newbies drop the game

idk why, but that map name box that you made gives off "something is creating script errors" vibes and it fits so well with these unfinished maps

babe wake up new shounic video

Too bad that these maps were not introduced into the main game. But knowing that the community will most likely revive them, fills me with determination.

This had the makings of something really good. If they had just stuck with it, ironed out the kinks... this training course could have been something truly incredible. It's especially interesting, considering how various fanmade maps sort of fill the role that some of these stages would have had, assuming they'd been completed. That's not to say jump maps or what-have-you wouldn't have existed, though; quite the opposite. Having the concept introduced in a neutral environment like that rocketjump map could have inspired so many future map developers, and given everyone a slightly better understanding of the concept, rather than having them all more or less learn as they go. Also, frankly, pointbreaker looks fun. With some polish that could probably be made into an actual, playable CP map. Like... what the hell.

Aside from the training mode itself, this makes me wish for a singleplayer/co-op campaign in TF2

i like how a lot of these maps are in that uncanny valley where they sorta look like maps that already exist but just different enough

10 minute shounic vid? This is heaven.

Love the idea. Also love how it gets clearly laid out that different weapons are meant for different ranges, and stresses on the point that close range is for melee, just cause it's gotta be funnier, even though a point blank shotty round is likely to do more harm than a melee hit.

the fact that we could've had courses for every class is painful

Those training maps are better than the ones currently in game. I'm so sad they didn't get added

Now that I've seen this it makes me wonder: Now that V-Script is implemented, could we make our own tutorial maps as a more hands-on approach to teaching newer players the game? You could even teach community-recognized aspects of the game, and teach more of the nebulous fps concepts. I feel like there's a lot of potential here.

Funny how there's an incomplete tutorial that is better than the finished training map

That rocket jumping tutorial woulda saved me hours of agonizing pain trying to figure it out on my own

shounic's hitsound really makes my brain go plunk

Having a training course in the game would have done sooo much I can't even describe.

There's something about having tutorials be stylized in-universe training courses that I love.

It would be incredible if the comunity can manage to fully recreate all of these map and restore them to what they were in the day before getting scraped

This is actually so immensely depressing knowing that this stuff was almost in the game.

time traveler: moves a chair the time line: no more tf2 updates, 400 million terabyte leak

Those TF2 coins reminds me of the unused "Item_Nugget" from Portal 2. Which had something similar like it. Though with that, it was more broken and the logic dictating the actual collectables wasn't done. Also it uses the same Control Point "?" shape as well! I think it was original meant for Co-Op, since there's console commands associating them with spawn chances for Co-Op mode. It might of what would eventually became the "Science collaboration Points" in Portal 2. Here's your random source knowledge.

Watching tutorials remind me of my first times in tf2 and that reminded me of when enemies are killed, they drop their weapons and not ammo boxes, and you had to go over their weapons that would then disappear to get a medium ammo box. The nostalgia is big

This would be so unimaginably cool if this was how all the tutorials were.

bro, that looks fun

pain training

7:30 "I've won, but at what cost?"

Frenzy seems really cool for a warm up, or test stuff, or just when waiting for a server, hope it could be implemented as a side thing

Damn, these maps are actually REALLY cool! I would've LOVED to have played this when I first started playing instead of what we actually got :/

I would have loved to have these for my new friends playing the game, they struggle with a lot of these complex ideas like rocket jumping and positioning, these courses would have been soooo good!!

Good job.

Huh. The sheer ambition and complexity of this course makes me wonder if, had things gone differently, TF2 could've had a story mode.

seing those "obsolete" points reminded of lazy purple's struggles with minecraft recreations he had to make

My respect for shounic is on the “watch all of a 15 second, skipable ad on their video” level. Keep up the spread of knowledge, my guy!

*training overhaul?* fascinating

I got this feeling this was supposed to be the actual tutorial but in typical Valve fashion they went “okay this is taking way longer than we thought, we’ll make an easier to code tutorial and we’ll finish this one later” and never did, due to the original designers of the tutorials leaving, forgetting about it, other projects taking priority, or whatever the case.

Got to love how TF2 keeps making these basically finished things but it never gets put in the game but what we do get is whatville and the sandman nerf

10:09 the way the Engineer flew to air

The game is designed well enough that you can have fun as a noob without these tutorials but having them would have been so nice. Having brought a lot of people to the game, it would have been great to let them play a super polished tutorial made by valve rather than try to explain things to them.

Nice

6:10 this is likely to have it seem like the enemies are coming from the cliff to your base as a "heads up, incoming!"

These map vibes honestly look really nice, i could see corridor being turned into an actual attack defend map

The pyros not airblasting on corridor could be a result of them not being able to airblast at all very early on in the game. I don't know if these tutorials were in the works when thaf was the case though

The training dummies jumps scared me like 4 times

Holy shit this is so cool even if it's unfinished!

Curious to see if anyone will polish these up and put them on community servers! I would love to try them all!

Thank you for this video, and I like the look of some of those maps. Now that VScript is in TF2, the community can make better tutorial maps for every class. Am I right?

The only thing more frustrating than the lack of updates on TF2 is the amount of perfectly good content that was left on the cutting room floor.

Guy release 2 videos at once. What a legend.

I love the stickybomb with a hat.

Two shounic videos at once I can’t watch them both noooooo

They really should finish these training maps and add them into the game. There are still lots of new players joining the game and these would be a perfect way to teach them!

Some of those maps seem super cool. Seems to show the game in a far more tactical way than the complete chaos we actually all know tf2 is. I like it!

This course gives me really weird feeling i have problem describing It is like seeing kid trying their best but ultimately not achieving enough and surrendering. Or like this Phineas&Ferb clip with Dundersztyc giving Vanessa doll she asked for when she was 8 while Vanessa is already adult

7:29 o7 friendly medic

9:52 they even programmed an engineer to spawn camp💀

the Bridge of Death objective using a camera for its skybox is weird, but it produces a pretty neat effect where it looks like there's another battle going on in the distance. It's a janky and potentially confusing effect, but I wonder if a talented mapmaker could use it for some sort of hacky dynamic VFX for a battlefield map.

0:24 O B S O L E T E

Watching this video made me feel like a new player falling in love with tf2

We'll meet again, don't know where dont know when

real talk these maps are cool af

Huh, this is very interesting, but for some reason that two in one Dustbowl map now makes me wonder how a Long Bowl, all three stages of Dustbowl at once would be like. Hell, probably, but could be interesting for applications of torture. Granted it probably exists, just nobody talks about it compared to Higher Tower and such.

I feel like having a good tutorial system would bring in much more people into tf2 because right now, it seems that most people get turned off by how confusing and unintuitive the game is from the start and that the only way to really get into the game is if you have a friend to help show you how to play or if you just like the game enough to spend time watching videos learning certain mechanics. With a proper in-game tutorial, newer players would be able to understand how the game works without being overwhelmed by all the classes and weapon choices and game mechanics. Like if they actually had the rocket jump course in the video, I wouldn't have spent the first year of playing tf2 thinking soldier was a slow paced class until my friend showed me market gardening. Hell, I thought right-clicking with pyro's flamethrower was a glitch until I saw a video of someone using airblast. Imagine how many potential players were lost just because they weren't shown the true potential of the classes in the game.

this actually hurts to watch, knowing we could've gotten this

Oh, to live in a world where Ms Pauling / the Administrator guide you through a multistage tutorial campaign

"tra_sol_corridor" reminds me of the TF Missions by showin from gamebanana

If you listen closely at 3:10, you can hear a metal breaking sound which didn't play when the other dummies are shot.. Maybe the giant steel door was breakable? Since that's the sound that plays when a func_breakable with the metal property takes damage

bonus frenzy looks like a flag of power from gw2

Remember that one payload map valve were making and put out half finished aka Cactus canyon. Then they just removed it from casual play and abandoned it.

last map looks fun for ultiduo

These maps fits tf2's artstyle so much!

Wow.

it makes sense why the pyros cant airblast 7:16 , depending on when these maps were made, they might have not been able to. but it does make sense why pyros would be reflecting the rockets away from the sentries