ooo I wonder how that's gonna be

BASED

Interesting tidbit: Gasoline is a terrible conductor of electricity. Gotta love how the one time TF2 actually follows real-world science and actively neutering literally any and all possibility of the Gas Passer even being good as a gimmick. And actually, both milk and semen (if we want to be immature about the Mad Milk) are also both very poor electrical conductors, so the Mad Milk technically shouldn't be able to combo with the Neon Annihilator at all, too.

45:04 You're not wrong, it's the best flamethrower ,melee, and flare gun. Valve please nerf this thing, its a good primary, in the goddamn secondary slot.

inb4 he just puts all the sniper weapons in S tier because of his hateboner for the class

Use the volcano fragment as melee for the memes

Agree

@play gray if you practice with it and get good, its REALLY FUN, and the detonator for flare jumping, GOD its just REALLY FUN TO PLAY

i've been running that set for two years now, it's amazing only using hot hand for the meme of course

alternatively you can use the scorch shot if you want the entire server to hate you

I hope I never see you ever again

Yeah, I had the same idea. The gas passer would act like the molotov from csgo but only after lit by the match or the flamethrower. You could even keep the match on a low cooldown and have it be a funny but skillful way to light people on fire at a distance while the gas is charging.

That's definitely a fun and interesting idea, also why the hell whenever i see you there is always a bunch if not a lots of hate comment?

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Should it be 2 mouse buttons or only 1? Since you're not gonna use the match without the gas being present. However, what if instead of a match, it's a molotov? The molotov denies an area by itself(like in Counter-Strike), but if thrown into the gas, there's just an explosion without the area denial effect.

I think the speed boost on hit should be a lot longer instead of being a discounted powerjack

Or perhaps it gives a speed boost to everyone who's getting hit with it, just like the disciplinary action

Let it crit from behind or give it a faster swing speed on hit so you can swing as fast as the eviction notice and maybe faster.

Its just a shittier powerjack then, like how eviction notice is a shittier gru

Give the Hot Hand a speed boost while out and remove the speed boost on the powerjack, but bring back the old 75hp on kill with it.

hey man i like you're content a lot

Scorch shot/Degreaser basically turns you into a soldier who cant rocket jump but can reflect projectiles

Dude the scorch shot literally does almost nothing besides be annoying. This myth of hyper damage comes from the assumption that the target gets no form of healing/extinguishing for its full duration which just isn’t the case and you know it.

"tHE sCOrcH sHOt iS nOt oP yOu jUSt doDGe tHe pRoJeCtiLe yOU wOUlD'vE dIED iF iT wAS a FlArE gUn oR dEtONaToR, iT'S jUsT aNnoyInG cAUsE iT cAN sTUn" - Scorch Shot mains

@@Nameless_Cat_IsAGoodGame if you actually use it you’ll realize that it does like no damage and you can just kill faster with a different weapon. It’s not overpowered, just annoying.

@thcirblueerf naw

@thcirblueerf Please be sarcastic

That video is scheduled for next week. It's titled "Zesty has had enough, is ready to Hate Crime certain pyros."

@thcirblueerf You don't miss with the scorch shot. If you hit the large splash, they get set on fire. Hit a direct, guaranteed mini crit.

@thcirblueerf Dude, scorch shot is easy to hit. Just shoot at the ground like a soldier and boom, the enemy is on fire. Thats why I use the detonator even tho im shit at it, atleast im not a pain in the ass to play against

true! oh yeah and honestly if you really hate airblast-happy pyros, just switch to quickfix.

just double the heavy's weight ehen ubered

It's a bit painfull to fight against someone that can just run away after pushing you 50 meters away, only reason why i would decrease its knockback a little bit, at least enough to where a Demoknight can get closer after each airblast It wouldn't impact his reflecting ability and it would still be good against ubers

@@bruschetta7711 Unless you bounce off some map geometry airblast doesn't send you more than a couple feet back, or up if you flick down. Demoknight doesn't need to be able to braindead hold W and just ignore Pyro's saving grace ability that keeps the class relevant. If you're engaging Pyros as Demoknight you're doing it wrong.

Yeah I play medic a lot and it's fucking annoying when a pyro airblasts my patient away but tbh it's always my patients fault I don't uber a random spy I uber a power class and I really like airblast I don't play pyro a lot but when I do I really enjoy airblasts it's really balanced and fun to use TLDR: it's balanced but can be annoying when it patient can deal wiht a pyro

Wait what, you're here!?

@@vyor8837 yep!

Ho de fak a y, why do y have 3 comments, I tink I'll call the police on y

I have a question for ya, why did you comment 3 times on one video?

this guy is the most subscriber-hungry person i've seen

The best pyro main is here!!!!!

"In the right hands" you mean in ANY hands?

Nah but its balanced by forced pyrovision

ayo its the woo

Great opinion, unfortunately you have an anime/vtuber PFP.

I know you're talking more about the phlog but I just wanna add that the short circuit is also more annoying cause it's a massive damaging orb that travels in a straight line and deletes literally any projectiles. There is no need for timing.

@@ekyanso4253 right right, forgot to mention that part, I guess I was talking about the old one and forgot the new one did that for some reason haha

@@breakingjadenofficialaccou6198 is me 😎

Just like some demos use their sticky bomb launcher as primary

@@raul1476 The Demo basically has 2 primary weapons. I think it was supposed to be that way

@@Spanishdog17 he is, and is balanced by you being able to go take a piss in the time it takes to reload With the scorch shot it basically turns your flamethrower into a secondary that you oly use when someone is on your face, otherwise you're just a somewhat worse soldier

I feel like it would at least play slightly better against if it was like a incendiary grenade primary for pyro

What if there was a flamethrower that allowed you to basically rocket jump lowering damage to yourself or something

@@eggman3908 just use jetpack

The ideas sound kinda interesting What about for the second idea, it would lower the max ammo for your primary rather than consuming ammo?

@@eggman3908 so the detonator?

Tbh a primary that sacrifices something else, maybe like base damage for airblast potential sounds interesting. I've heard of a scrapped flamethrower with the model visible on some Valve art. It's designed dark green with white highlights, so maybe that one? For air theme?

Welcome to one of the oldest communities on the internet dude! Hope you're enjoying thingsz cuz you'll be here forever

Just don't be too much of a secondary.

@@trabant3060 there's a joke that I'm missing here

@@leonardo9259 actually play the games to get an appreciation for the media dude, there's not much too it.

yuck

That's not how it works, the flame particles changes didn't affect the backburner

I get crits with it when I'm in front of them

noted Edit: bruh why did it send that twice?

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and why prey tell is he a man of culture. oh his avatar is a big titty anime muscle girl. Say no more. He is a man of culture indeed

@@ieuanhunt552 Lol I fucking love how you knew what I meant when I called him a man of culture, see men of culture think alike but he's also quite based.

Or remove the bounce mechanic and give it the damage of the detractor, the slow stun could still be a decent harass for any movement classes

That would be ok, but with also a slower weapon's change, since it have the auto reload while is unactive

@@danielsalvadornoriegavilla7900 (won't lie I don't play TF2, just kinda absorb information slowly), do Flare guns have a charge to launch? Cause making you need to charge it for any good distance (And as such increase the charge time), could also be decent.

I on the other hand wouldn't change the scorchshot but instead make the DETONATOR explode on impact ALSO. And make it destroy the projectiles like the scorchshot.

@@dilophoraptordouble If you're thinking of a charge like with Stickybomb Launchers, where holding M1 allows the sticky to fly further away, flare guns don't have that. You just press M1, and they're travel the same way.

Plus crossbow is immune to the heal penalty for the back scratcher so 1 or 2 shots and the pyro is at full health

and this reminds me of my idea that the medic needs all his slots to do healing. primaries and melees having some sort of healing alt fire would make the non crossbow primaries actually have supportive use.

@@ZaTrapu Wait, really? Holy fuck!

@@DinnerForkTongue yep a back scratcher pyro being heale by a crossbow is not affected by the reduced healing from non-health pack sources stat

@@ZaTrapu As if the Crossbow wasn't superior enough to literally every Medic primary... So if you have a rake roamer (TM), pop him with a bolt when you see him?

The knockback is actually important though, especially when combating a really agressive player/combo trying to focus you. It's really the only reliable weapon at giving you some distance to run away if you can aim.

@@compatriot852 or... you know... airblast...

Just remove the mini crit. It was totally balanced when it came out in 2012 but Valve buffed it for no reason.

@@e-goblinyou have to be up close for that tho

Also remove/decrease afterburn on the explosion so you can't spam it down a choke point

And that's why it's rad as fuck😎🔥

AND has a bounce after the shot. Now, if the bounce was an alt fire instead of primary, that would make it less of a jerkbag weapon.

As is, the Scorch Shit is balanced like an upgraded MvM weapon.

important note u have to actually hit a player to apply knockback/bounce

@@benismann well, yeah. What about it? You think many of us here don't know this? I assume each and every one of us here know this as we all are familiar with the weapon. I suppose it is sort of hard to frag someone without hitting a projectile directly or some sort of splash damage What's funnier is that I didn't mention the full afterburn duration or the ability to mini crit twice. Or the fact this thing hits invisible spys way to much due to its play style being "Aim like a jackass, and when you do aim like a champ, expect the enemy to burn and complain."

I think the no minicrits and the normal damage penalty is fine already

I agree, better crowd control and easier afterburn with less damage. I love pyro, but the scorch shot is way too easy to abuse

Remove the bounce when it hits an enemy, remove minicrits on burning targets. Keep knockback being stronger on burning targets though. Just do that and it's already balanced.

@chegg jeff yeah that sounds cool

I think gas passer should last a little longer and recharge a little faster, it could be really good for chokes

No it can't? Only does 60-ish damage plus afterburn, which can theoretically kill a light class but afterburn can be removed by health packs, dispensers, medics, etc. Not saying it isn't overpowered, but it can't one shot a light class.

@@kermitenthusiast485 And you're discounting direct hits... why?

@@kermitenthusiast485 The scorch shot can hit you twice potentially dealing 120 damage which is pretty close to a oneshot, the reason why the caber gets a pass is because it only effects Snipers who aren't paying any attention, meanwhile the scorch shot is an annoying hit stun weapon that can be used from any range on people who are paying attention and is mainly used on any poor sap that the Pyro sees.

@@DinnerForkTongue I'm not? It does 20 damage on direct hit, plus 26 on the second hit, for 46 damage. Even on a crit, that's still only 86 (I think, not sure if it also crits on the way down) damage, which yes, with afterburn, that can kill a light class quite easily, however so can most things on a crit.

@@linear1224 see above

Agreed. It looks cool, but the weapon could really do without it. Either that or balance the damage and whatnot around the bounce. Preferably the latter I feel. Uniqueness is cool.

bouncing flare is from meet the pyro though, it should stay because of that. i'd rather they remove mini crits and further reduce direct damage

That, or make only one of the two hits capable of inflicting afterburn?

Also the ability to minicrit, and it should only deal knockback on burning targets, but remove the damage penalty

Yep I freaking hate that bouncing flare. It's totally bs

That sounds hilarious, and fits the weapon. Good job!

95% of this game needs tweaking but valve doesn't care

I think it's fine, just slightly reduce the hitbox so you can't get pushed away if you are behind the pyro

@butterfly fade pretty damn close

@@puddin555 I legit once got airblasted on the doublecross battlements by a pyro that randomly airblasted from the stairs underneath it, like he had no direct line of sight to me (I looked at the replay too)

50, for funni trollage

I'd propose completely different thing. - Keep current penalties + Hitting burning target makes it burn until healed. + Hitting burning target creates a small (no damage) explosion that sends you flying back. The force you get thrown back is akin to getting airblasted and at around 45 degree and is airstrafeable for you. It would turn the weapon as a nasty finisher that, if doesnt finish the enemy, puts his life on a timer and possibly saves you by launching you back. As an ambusher you jump out, burn, hit, fly back behind some cover. Flavor-wise we could tie it to some volcano eruption or some shit.

The new Tank buster in MvM

@@NPC-ch3vw Well, i think it's a cool concept but it would be anoying because it has the same stats as the Scorch Shot + infinite afterburn untill healed. My idea lt's like a Dragon's Fury on meele

Scorch shot launches the enemy making him extremely vulnerable during that, my Volcano Fragment version launches only Pyro away from the enemy while putting him on timer. It doesnt mess with the enemy mobility in any way. Your version looks frankly op and gameplay-wise is the same combo you use with Axetinguisher, with the latter doing the job arguably better. My version is more of the "Oh shit" escape button if pyro got in close quarters with someone he doesnt want to be with. And it puts the enemy on risk of pursuing the pyro thank to the infinite burn. Or it allows sudden menuevers, for example using the selfinlicted knockback launch to shorten the distance to the next enemy. Its more of the burst mobility option unlike Powerjack that is used for general movement across the map to the frontlines or ambush spots, nor its a killing finisher like Axetinguisher, sentry nest defender Homewrecker or enviroment-dependent Neon Annihilator. Or no-medic team Scratcher. That way it gets its own niche and adds some noticeable change on the Pyro gameplay.

I mean sketcheck literally said that the degreaser is an upgrade to stock

You can't increase afterburn damage on demand, if the enemy gets away, he will most likely live where the stock might have killed him Plus the same argument can be made to stock as the switch speed it's still ok with Panik attack

Homewrecker is too situational to be OP whereas power jack, axtisguisher, or backscratcher can be frequently utilized and that's what make them good melee options.

yeah

True, but like any other target the pyro can only really deal that good damage when way up close, engineers that get their nests destroyed easily by a pyro just picked a bad spot

@@whatastandupguy3050 reflect, to launch my rockets back, and for some reason they all have the ability to land on top of my sentry gun and do that weird circle dance ritual where the sentry can't fire at them . . . also for some reason medics really like ubering pyros no matter how bad the pyro is.

The powerjack is fine it doesn't need a buff or a nerf

@Marcus Vinícius Da Rosa You use the axtinguisher as a finisher, this SVF would be used as a starter, too bad the Back Scratcher already do that, kinda

Woo out here poggers

@@alexlovesyouvt34 hi :)

And this is why it boggles me that Zesty put it at B tier and not A tier. The Detonator, if you are skilled with it, is VERY precise to the point where it is undodgeable.

Does this mean I can live the dream of having double melee weapons in Mediaval mode?

@@Nameless_Cat_IsAGoodGame | Yes it would. Just imagine...

Volcano frag into axtinguisher

Two hits

@@SoldierMan755 really? I remember it was 3

@@GigioBagigio1 nope it's two. Same as a wrench

Three hits is the Jag.

pyroshark gaming

He's getting war flashbacks of making that gas passer video

What if the cloud was ignitable by pyro exploding and dealing about 70 damage to anyone caught in it and then give afterburn. Take the charge down to 40 seconds and takes 400 damage to charge up then you will have a MUCH better item that does what it’s intended to do, area denial.

@@hgdd2422 So kinda like 'Explode on Ignite' from MvM? The only problems I have with that is that you, as the pyro have to stick around to ignite it, meaning you can't retreat unless you let the gas go to waste, plus as soon as you ignite it the gas obviously can't be applied to anyone else, it just gets consumed immediately. This seems like more of a short-range combo feature which is cool if that's what you're going for, because the only way pyro can deal heavy damage to a large group is mindlessly M1-ing into a crowd which you'll almost never get away with.

I think is enough of talk about WAMO and even in the start he say: "Opinion" if you are more agree with him its ok, also i pretty agree with him just stop talking about WAMO i have bad memorys

@@justdem1490 pssst dude, it's a month ago, I already stop talking about him. Just forget it, he's out of drama now

@@jimmyrustler5801 are you guys actually dumb, the scorch shot can hit twice with a single shot.... the other 2 can't the 2nd hit literally negates it's damage penalty

@@koyahspandemopan9867 what are you talking about? Scorch shot is like stock bat levels of strong, it needs a buff ASAP

yeah, i think the scorch shot should just give you stock uber while holding it

@@Josuemaneiros7 agreed, honestly, they should also just make it so that both shots full crit, I mean, it’s super hard to actually get any mileage out of, so you should be rewarded when it does hit

@@limevolt7618 They should also instantly kill everyone when they spawn

He said it in the video, fire drastically lessens your healing which can be bad since you are always on focus fire when u r ubered

@@mrprick4693 well yeah, fire reducing healing has been a mechanic for a while, stops fast healing from stuffing any attempt for a Pyro to deal damage outside of a shotgun or crit flare. But focus fire is like, the difference maker between stock uber (as well as headshots, crits, stacked stickies and backstabs) and quick fix, where airblast and the ability to heal half a 12-man team to full HP in 8 seconds is the difference for quick fix. Also, realistically, a Pyro shouldn't even be an issue for Uber if it's used properly. Decisively Ubering a projectile class, vs a Pyro, with no teammates to ensure the Pyro is dead, is simply poor Uber usage and as such, should be punished.

@@potato1341 eh sure

Shield bash + weapon crit oneshots an heavy, while spy can do the same he can't charge you from a mile away and hit you in the face, so its balanced, same with sniper, dont walk in his sightline and you won't die, but if you reduce or remove knockback from a demoknight how are you going to stop him from oneshotting you without juggling or moving him around in other ways? Are you going to kill a 200hp (with booties) demo charging at you with all his shield's resistances and that can't be airblasted/launched in the air, in one second or less? That's not gonna happen, you will just die and there's nothing you can do about it. That's overpowered.

I personally vote that sheilds give melee random crit immunity not KB resist

@@revenantghost724 i said Resistance, Not Immunity. Even then Demoknight is incredibly weak, Only overpowered in Pubs because of the damn Eyelander. Demoknight get 1 195 Crit. Demoman has 12 Projectiles that all do 100 Damage, Its barely a competition

@@neptuniamarina4924 demoknight is incredibly weak ONLY because you can push him around, if you give him pushback resistance he's going to be "a spy that can charge you from a mile away and hit you in the face" that would be broken

Same for the lollichop, it has a unique taunt, but i don't want pyrovision on

You can disable pyrovision in configs

What's wrong with provision

No

Maybe so

@@gentleseal1778 ☹️

1st guy

@@Jrsonicyt-is-weird I am