Boom. No headshot. Just boom

All it took was giving it a strong upgrade for just 500 credits and also being able to upgrade it’s recharge to make it useful

@@anonymously_ erm, it’s 400 credits… 🤓

it’s so busted that some people will kick you for using it it’s insane

Explode on ignite is Very op in mvm

I would put it on recharge overtime, as I think ammo packs could make it a bit too spamable, especially for caber knights

@@Qurent make it be like the gas passer? Get it back every minute or deal like 750 damage to speed it up. Not wicked spammable, but would be great with something like a grenade launcher and a shield! The grenades would make getting 750 damage pretty quick so you could get like 2 or 3 crit cabers per life. (Number pulled out of my ass)

@@jocaleb0236 This or that, it just needs to have cooldown long enough to prevent caber knights from spamming it with guaranteed crits and short enough to actually be usable. With your idea that would probably be easier to achieve, as caber knights won't be able to do that much damage, so they won't recharge it too quickly.

Just make it work like Jarate and Mad Milk and it's perfect

The only funny thing the Equilizer gives you is a taunt kill option.

level 2 sentries do the same damage as a level 3 in 90% of the scenarios. Level 3s are only negligably better cus the rocket does splash so its harder to duck in and out of cover during a push, and has more health surviving slightly more bullshit.

The Red Tape Recorder is a great weapon for dealing with turtling engineers or for just being a massive nuisance.

@@honkhonk8009 Yeah but its still incredibly annoying to have 200 metal just completely wasted in the matter of a few seconds. The RTR is practically a grief weapon with how consistently you can get enemy engineers to switch off by just bum rushing all of their stuff and making all the time they spent gathering metal and upgrading gear completely meaningless.

It's almost like a Scout weapon in that regard, it's built to be a huge pain in the ass to an enemy more than the traditional damage approach of the sapper. Especially with how often engineer mains will hard focus you if they catch you sapping, and how many of them don't take the RTR seriously, it can be pretty easy to distract them long enough that substantially leveling down the building is easily doable. It's especially fun if you use the Cloak and Dagger like I do to spam voice lines and just generally irritate an engineer, which is a pretty fun time all around

or just shoot the sentry while it's sapped with stock?

honestly, i think requiring 50 damage full boost drain would be decent.

I feel like the random boost and drops of speed while in a fight can mess up enemies aim too.

@Pyroprince You're very much right about that. Of course it can mess your aim up too if you aren't used to it, but that's just part of the weapon's learning curve

honestly, i find scouts default speed to be a weird middle ground that fucks up my aim more than it helps me dodge. with baby faces lower default speed, and higher max speed i find being able to do both easier. and i rarely double-jump in fights anyway.

If someone sneezes in my general direction my legs are broken

I think it's stock that's worse. The -10 health doesnt put you below any significant threshold. It still takes 2 rockets or 2 pipes or 2 meat shots to kill you. And its upside is a real upside. Take teh following example, you, as a medic are stranded after a sniper took out the only guy close enough to protect you, you run away from an aproaching enemy while at around 40% or 30% uuber. Yet you run into another enemy, it can be a soldier, demo, even a scout if he's overhealed, the result is basically the same. You take out your melee to try and survive, you get one swing off, two swings, aaand you died. WIth any other melee all you did was damage the enemy, but with the vita saw you saved 30% of your uuber were the stock did... Nothing. In fact in this specific scenario it acts as a better alternative to the uuber saw sense if you die after getting 2 swings with the uubersaw you just die with 80-90% uuber, in fact you might even have time to get off a 3rd swing compared to the uubersaw due to the slower swing speed.

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@@freziaplanet4198 stock is at least decent all around choice because it's stock. The vita saw is just a downgraded ubersaw with barely any upsides but I love the design of it

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@@freziaplanet4198 screw you stock better

The problem with the yer is if people use voice chat your weapon is entirely invalidated

@@motorizedbarofsoap6601 Aslong as you can chainkill half the team all bunched up at cart before that happens, yer good to go

@@AmGaming-qd8vo yeah but that heavily relys on bad players. Especially since the yer still makes the noise of stabbing

​@@motorizedbarofsoap6601 i mean spy can get completely countered with good communication with any weapon

@@marlon.8051 yeah but atleast with kunai or big earner you have some form of after stab preservability with the yer you don't get anything

What??

Take a good look at the eyelander's stat block too

Bazaar bargain: AM I a joke to you

Eyelander: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?

Splendid Screen goes hard on Caberknight, bash + explosion (without critting if you whiff) does a lot of damage

I feel like it has a slight anti synergy with most swords though because you want to get the kill with the sword instead of the shield

I'd argue is the best shield lol, Tide Turner's for people who suck at demoknight or just want to surf and that's fine, and the Chargin' Targe is more matchup specific

​@meilyn5571 honestly the turner is more for hybrid, still good to have melee combat and mobility alongside pipes Also the splendid screens increase charge time has saved my ass so many times so I think its better than the targe

I think carter drifted from his "no bad synergy, just bad individual items" rule pretty hard here. Ultimate Demoman has no bad secondaries, so it's kind of a toss-up; I guess between the reliable defense of the Targe and the super mobility of the Turner, the Screen is just mediocre inbetween without a proper Knight loadout.

That assuming the sniper is standing alone and there aren't any teammates surrounding him or god forbid a sentry.

@@g2ltt733 Yeah, a KZfaqr mentioned that. If the Sniper has ANYONE around him, a revolver is far riskier since you'd need 2 shots at least.

@@VGamingJunkieVT I thought the max damage you could do with the revolver was 60 at max ramp-up, meaning you'd need 3 shots? Unless we're talking about the Enforcer, Diamondback or Ambassador.

@@g2ltt733Yup. Which is why I find it funny when sniper mains are like “duh idiot spy mains revolvers exist XDXD”. Yeah try shooting a sniper three times when there’s a sentry next to him with the whole team being his guard looking for spies. Oh yeah and not to mention the pro snipers I faced headshot me before I can even get the third shot in. Such a life for a spy main.

That assumes the spy is bad at spy-ing, in which case he probably isn’t making it back far enough to backstab you anyways

yup, takes all metal given to an engineer building being upgraded instantly, cuts the health down when downgraded, and works great for slowing down enemy team by downgrading the teleporters as they are usually the last thing an engineer will save. the engineer will focus on the sentry dispencer and then go for the teleporter. if it's a good engineer he will save the dispencer first as a level 3 dispencer gives the 60 metal.

@@TohGahr Or, you know, just destroy them as Spy. It's not that hard

​@@crack4184goodluck doing that into 4 turtling engies

@@crack4184 if you want to do that spy has a gun

@@sarahmellinger3335 Sap and gun it. Nothing new under the sun

I still don’t like it because it takes a few seconds to kick In

Actually they added a delay to disguising from the YER after getting a kill because I guess they thought that would be too strong? But then the gas passer exists, explosive headshot, demo as a class and they thought spy, indisputably the worst class for mvm, needed a nerf. Idk man

@@dangernoodle3343 yes, there is, and during that delay they do notice you, but after said delay they'll just turn away as if they didnt see you. unless there was a more recent change.

@@kaden-sd6vb No they didn't change it but that single mechanic makes the knife pretty worthless in mvm

it does not work in mvm , in mvm valve changed it , disguise is Not instant , there is a delay

Yup, spies just use tank rockets.

Honestly I find it to be the best watch in many ways, just because it’s such an effective getaway tool. You don’t need invis to get behind the enemy on good maps, but the extra survivability the DR gives you is not something you can get from any other unlockable in Spy’s arsenal

I love the dead ringer, saved me a ton when i needed it, sometimes i could get 4 kill streaks

true, i dont know why he didn't think about that random reskin of the invis watch wasnt worse

@@bruhbruh-us6gl I thought like you but after switching back to the default I just can't go to the dead ringer anymore, the cloak on command is just way too useful and more fun imo. I still respect the Dead Ringer a lot as a mobility and getaway tool, it surprises me he didn't pick the Cloak and Dagger, it's so niche that most of the time you'll just be playing with a nerfed invisi watch

But then IT will be worst black box

what about instead of 3 rockets it does 15% less blast damage

@@alexszulczynski5546 not really. The rockets were pretty fast and that's the appeal of the weapon. It would be a hell of a lot better than it is now. There is a reason you never see anybody using it

@@wafflecopter9296 to be fair i can Look like "black box not haveing X but it has V" but I see your point there and I respekt your opinion

thats just a worse direct hit

Rtr GARBAGE NO COMPETITION Also icicle is worst spy knife

YER is sometimes usefull and icicle could melt when 1 fire particle hits you your knife is done its only good for gunspy

get outta here spycicle is hella good for great survivability. You can max out survivability when u pair it with the deadringer which is basically how it let me get 17 ks win Rotunda last time with db dr and spycicle

It’s banned in sixes because the Uber is faster letting you Uber before the other team and take out their med. in casual this doesn’t matter and the shitty Uber makes pub pushes harder and is just frustrating to use.

​@@nadernad_ the quickfix Uber is quite good

Tbh it's just the passive of constantly slowing the enemy. Restricting them, the weapon in some situations is surprisingly decent. As for the quick fix I'm pretty sure that's ban for the free escape since. Ooh no the medic got flanked and could die. Just kidding he can hook up to his pocket and fly away

The natascha isn't banned for being too good, it's banned for being too annoying. The quickfix's extra mobility is good when paired with the most mobile classes in the game and it's uber is pretty good in an environment with so few damage sources.

Dude, don’t listen to 6s. They will ban anything that counters Scout, and anything that makes Heavy not slow.

That’s my go-to on the bfb. Take out light classes with a nice projectile combo, or use it to soften a bigger foe for the incoming meatshot.

omg your so right..

or kermit the frog trying to pass as a human

what could save it is that it makes you take less afterburn when pulled out

Fan o war

The sun on a stick becomes op if you play on a x server

sandman usually does 15 damage (when not using the crit exploit) and takes away your already low hp pool. the slow isnt even noticable, when it isn't negated by strafing. it's a horrible weapon. one of the worst in the entire game, probably. not as bad as the pomson, probably, because scout is naturally good with his speed and gun.

NO THE FAN O WAR IS A WORSER OPTION

Totally, especially with things like rainblower where it is stock but it makes your game look like a stroke

I thought this was weak reasoning too - then again, Pyro has no bad Primaries. The Degreaser would probably actually do worse with the Gas Passer and Hot Hand, since it lacks effective synergy which the Degreaser needs to operate.

⁠@@lpsp442Thanks to the global switch speed buff the classes got, the Degreaser might be the worst Pyro primary since you can combo pretty fine with stock flamethrower now.

none of pyro's primaries are bad imo

That's with the dead ringer equipped in this context, I'm assuming.

Counterpoint: Scottish resistance. It's underrated as fuck, but demos secondary slot is pretty good overall, so it's stiff competition

Splendid Screen is literally my favourite sheild

why tide? Its a good option for shields and is great when paired with the caber.

@@30thCenturyFish i didn't mean it in a bad way. I don't see how minicrit cabers are good, but ive never really seen it used. otherwise the tide is extremely good

@@CopyZero the caber unfortunatly cannot minicrit on shield charges.

I thought great blue.

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Lmao

yeah the backscatter is so annoying to use. even when you get behind your enemy and do what the weapon wants, you still have to deal with the bullet spread. in my opinion that downside should be removed entirely, 4 shots is a good enough hinderance

Nothing compares to having your backscatter hit like 3 bullets on the enemy's back, instantly alerting them to your location as you use the one primary that takes away your ability to fight at mid-range

@@asierx7047 tru

Speed is what the Scout does best

Wtf is a "soy disguise"?

Enforcer's just a downgrade from Stock, it only helps out when the enemy pulls out a Bullet Vaccinator and even then the damage dealt is negligible (although it can help you kill low hp foes under the Bullet Vacc Uber but...Stock already does that lmao) oh and Fists of Steel Heavies which is already a target with a reticle on the back also does it ignore Pain Train's or Candy Cane's vulnerabilities?

The red tape is good just not for teleporters only sentry’s and dispenser but stock sap makes it harder to destroy a sentry when a engineer is alive

@@HOTD108_ the eternal reward is one of the only ways to beat a thousand uncles

The Reserve Shooter does the same thing, but enemies in the air get mini crit, i prefer doing that

Well it definitely has gotten better ever since the GRU combo was discovered so I won't argue with you on that,

Only just learned that caber doesn't get mini-crits from charging due to a bug. That definitely cripples it a lot more. I was going to say that it could still be used for picks as the mini-crit could one-shot certain targets but with no damage boost at all from charging, unless you're fighting a noob that lets you shield bash them and land the melee hit as well, really does make this awful.

actually bashing with the tide turner and then hitting with caber will kill light classes, where as splended screen will launch them away + you get less turn control. Yes, i am a big caber enthusiast.

I think saying "just kill the medic" is a bit redundant, especially for the kritzkrieg. Same goes for any other medigun (except stock when ubered) Kritz and quickfix both have the same main weaknesses, and are both far more dependent on the person you are ubering than the vacc or stock.

Don't forget that the Kritzkreig is the only medigun that can't deal with sentry nests (no damage resistance, no bonus healing, no knockback resistance, crits don't affect sentries)

Well in my opinion Medic doesn't have any bad secondary. 4 types of mediguns are great in different situation (MvM doesn't count).

Oh yeah the danger shield is so bad dude like i really want to die to pyros and this prevents it!1!!11

If there are 8 runners in a single heat for an 100m sprint and all their times are better than the average for the entire competition, there's still gonna be a worst runner out of that heat even if their time is better than average. That being said I still reckon the Degreaser is worse than the Phlog

​@@menacing_name yeah, I can agree the degreaser is my least used/preferred especially following the weapon switch speed changes and what I'd rate as worst. Maybe the Rainblower, because it's larger and blocks more screen and sends you to hard to see things land. Sure, there will always be a 'best and worse' by very definition, but... meh. It's a close, close race.

It's not that great. Outside of uber pushes it's bad. The degreaser is still good for combos and is still easily better than the backburner at least.

​@@milliondollarmistake Guh, the ammo costs of that thing. God help you if you want to bully a soldier or extinguish a teammate not near a dispenser. I'd disagree about phlog- guaranteed crits can be a really strong tool given certain parts of the map, medic or not. It's not something I enjoy doing, but I've certainly seen success with it for most people.

sir do you know how to am the speaking english?? /?

@@williamfiore7545 what???

Weed eater

​@@DoodleDoodleDoodleit's your English. Even doesn't have an a in it, ceep is keep, switch has a t, and middle ground is likely what you meant by mittleground I assume?

@@jis11 sorry that im not from an english speaking country

or you could, get better at spy and not rely on a crutch?

@@Bonicchrackpain Who said I was relying on a crutch? I said the watch is the best in slot, and said why. This has nothing to do with how I play the game.

It's not bad, it's just the worst in a slot that only has 3 weapons. The wrangler's 67% damage reduction applied to your sentry on top of increasing its fire rate and range and giving it the ability to shoot disguise/invis spies while only sacrificing its ability to auto aim (which is heavily compensated by some insane built-in aimbot) is quite frankly disgustingly busted, and while you could make a decent argument for the pistol being worse, it has the best self defence capabilities in its slot, which is more often better utility than the ability to remove some projectiles at the cost of a third of your ammo pool

I wouldn’t say its the worst,more like the least best,since all engi secondaries are good in their own way

How is the tide turner not worse than both? It has the smallest resistance bonuses and can’t deal crits

@@bruhbruh-us6gl the turn speed allows insane utility especially for trimping the charge on kill can also allow for some insane killchains.

@@goksir5845 That is true

Paintrain? I think the capture rate buff doesn’t mean much in the 2 and a half game modes it works on. And the 20% extra bullet damage actively hinders you.

i forgot paintrain exists its so useless. on top teh capping speed cannot exceed 3x capping speed so having a bunch of pain trains is kinda redundant. so yeah i'll say pain train is the worst@@spudthespudgungamer7112

>gets hit once "Welp, guess that wrap cleaver hit doesn't matter anymore."

​@@crispychips7161by the time you get hit you should have more projectiles though, and if you don't then you're probably not playing that great

I used to play minicrit caberknight and its actually pretty good because tide turner allows eaasy access to sniper spots and then you can oneshot the snipers and sometimes scouts.

THERE'S GOLD IN THEM BODIES!

If the enemy health is so low he can't use explosives, then stock would have killed him just as well.

@@tezz2698 I meant your health being too low and the enemy maybe still having too much health

@@Pocket_Shield well why couldn't that enemy just use rockets or pipes then?

@@tezz2698 its about you trying to hit the enemy in a last stand moment before they can hit you

For sure

Then again, the enemy might get distracted by the golden statues (both are very valuable weapons) and give you more time to push.

go ahead, get 10 kills with the bison

theirs a lil trick you can do with the sandman to get infinite ball crits, its not insane, but pretty nice

@@Sleepy_Cabbage yeah i guess but it kinda gets anoying to set the exploit every match you join

Flares aren't only meant for long range though, close range flare combos are a really good way for Pyro players to up their DPS if you can land it, so the switch speed is useful.

@@MaeIsOkay Well you could get the same result, if not better if you mindleslly hold mouse1 if you dont mind getting called noob

@@Asozka that's simply not true though. Hitting a Crit flare for 90 burst damage to finish people off is noticeably faster then just using the flamethrowers, and will often be needed to out damage other burst options like Scatterguns and Rocket Launchers

As a spy main I agree with him on the dead ringer being bad