TO BE HONEST, the fact that some people felt the need to ridicule me for the jacket for some reason... the jacket STAYS. Every video, until summer because it gets hot. If the jacket offends you, then I can't stress this enough, you really shouldn't be on the internet. It's literally just a leather jacket, what's wrong with you. Actually, it's not just any leather jacket, nows not the time for the story but for all intents and purposes it's just a leather jacket... and it stays. Onto less pressing issues! Quick correction... point number 1 about driven dimensions, it turns out Fusion 360 can actually reference driven dimensions (sort of, I think??) but it's the most convoluted ridiculous workflow that I honestly wouldn't be doing it in a hurry! If you know you need to reference a driven dimension, you have to: 1. Go into Parameters 2. Rename the driven dimension to something recognisable 3. Go into the User Parameters area 4. Create a new User Parameter, in the Expression, create a formula with the driven dimension i.e. DRIVEN+100mm and give the user parameter a name, like "Reference" 5. Beats me... no idea. I went to a sketch and created a dimension, and instead of the dimension numeric value I typed "Reference" and it errored out with red text and didn't solve the user parameter. 6. Maybe you have to then add "Reference" into the expression for other parameters but by this point I'm absolutely fed up and this is not an OK workflow, and this is exactly why I originally concluded that Fusion 360 couldn't do it.

Wow that was some GREAT info! Thanks for sharing Neil! Here’s what stood out to me (as a complete novice in inventor and F360) - 1. LOVE the idea Structural end conditions 2. Family parts - I do this a lot, especially when making one version for 3D printing and one for manufacturing. 3. Assembly component REPLACE is huge for me! 4. 10:36 - LMFAO!!! 5. All the assembly mating stuff, for me, would be so important! 6. I love SHEET METAL, and I need the Inventor features 7. Pack N Go is so awesome - You said it perfect - a project compiler. A MUST HAVE!! 8. iLogic looks pretty cool - bascally custom macros in VB - I could totally get on board for that! 9. Simplification is so important, especially for large complex assemblies! Great review Neil - Thanks for sharing such a comprehensive list of differences!!

It's impossible not to be impressed by Inventor's features. I'm learning how to use iLogic, and I'm very happy to be able to automate parts of the drawing. That's really good. 😎👍

The content quality is many times better, than most cad bloggers I've seen. But for some reason not liked by KZfaq algorithm, I barely found your channel digging through different tutorial videos with many millions of viewers.

Weldments Routed Systems Mold Design (although the mold analysis has been taken out of Autodesk Inventor Professional and moved to Fusion 360) Dynamic Simulation Local solve of linear static FEA, including Parametric analysis. (Fusion has far more analysis (cloud solving) types, but this seems to be important to the Fusion 360 users. These are entire fields of missing functionality, but there are numerous other smaller bits - sketch blocks is the first one that comes to mind…

So, from my experience, when you join a part in a subassembly in Fusion, it does only move the part. But then when you hit OK, it will solve the other joints in the subassembly and move everything else accordingly. So, if the subassembly is properly joined it will, after the fact, follow that one joined part at the higher level. Maybe what you mention is for an assembly that has not been joined, just drawn with references to each other. Just what I remember, haven't had access to Fusion for a while.

Iirc, referencing driven dimensions is fully working in F360 for very few versions by now. Dk how well it works across multiple assemblies/different components.

As a solidworks user it's interesting to see the features inventor has that fusion 360 doesn't are shared with solidworks. Makes the idea of transitioning between the two seem less daunting.

Intrested in an investor vs Solidworks video, don't know if you could make that happen. I'm curious about the differences between them regarding the most useful features etc.

Loving the new vids mate! A note on the Model States and Suppressed parts. The functionality changed there. Level of Detail would take suppressed parts out of memory. Model states don't so you no longer have that annoying problem when switching to drawings with a different LOD enabled. This is now done with visibility. Parts that are invisible are no longer loaded into memory.

Inventor: Single line plate marking. And drawing view labels referencing the model iproperties. Fusion: even if there was more visual contrast in the browser between the active component and the inactive ones it would help a lot. I remember when Fusion (not 360) was bundled with Inv. 2013, it only had a dark theme...

For me as a hobbyist the most important are referencing driven dimensions, and family parts.

curve on a surface is MIND BLOWING, SW is light years behind, I'm switching, I'm done dealing with STONE AGE Technology.

Fusion360 does have reference driven dimensions, its called Equations, and just works the same way as described in Inventor.

BRAVO NIEL !!!!!!!!.......... as always....a superb delivery and clarification. appreciate you SIR !!!

I'm willing to pay ~90ish dollars a month for a really good CAD/CAM software. But that's the most I can afford/justify paying as I am mostly a hobbyist looking to make things for myself and my friends. This covers Fusion ($60) but doesn't even come close to Inventor ($260).

10:50 the default workflow is what you did there and clicking OK. the preview only shows the component you selected moving, but if the rest is jointed or rigid-grouped to that component properly they too will move once you confirm the operation. And yeah joints can be nice and quick, but you definitely miss the freedom and power of good ole constraints. For component context, I can generally keep track of what component I'm working on, because I usually get there via the component tree. I also recommend enabling component color swatch, click the gearwheel on the bottom right. For small assemblies it's good enough, for large one you'll run out of colors though.

Thank you finally someone makes a video about the shortcomings of Fusion. Before I knew Inventor I used Fusion and to this day work in both of them. I like fusion for not standing in the way for tiny assemblies, designs and mockups. But I cannot wrap my head around how someone would use fusion for even a small assembly with 50+ parts (counting nuts and bolts). I feel like fusion is a bit like python for programming. Perfect to learn and small things but nothing if you want to build rock solid complex software. But I think for fusion the ceiling for what is viable is much lower than with python (best example blender) ps: Reference dimensions were implemented a while back. But until that was the case I ran a couple of times right into that wall and it hurt

A question popped up in mind while watching. I am a patron of the battleship USS Iowa museum (Pacific Battleship Center, San Pedro, Ca.). When built 1940-43 at the New York Navy Yard, the 887-foot Iowa weighed some 45,000 tons and was the largest ship ever launched in the western hemisphere up to that time. The blueprints weighed 350,000 pounds (I have no idea how many sheets) created by a team of some 300 naval architects. Additionally, USS New Jersey (Philadelphia Navy Yard) was laid down only three months later (USS Missouri and USS Wisconsin were to follow). The New Jersey design team often traveled en masse to New York to explore ideas and solutions during construction of these fast giants. My question: Can Inventor and Fusion 360 handle such a massive working environment? I am a lone hobbyist user of this software; I can't imagine the work flow for such a gigantic project. Thanks!

I really cannot live without using iLogic and the API anymore. There are almost no limits in automate Inventor except time 🤭 When I watch this video (well done as always), I sit in front of my screen, and thought, he does not use iLogic 😱 what if he would do.... I cannot imagine what you would be capable of doing with your skills in knowing Inventor... 🚀 I trained a lot of people in using iLogic and I think you need some one to open the door to enter and is standby for incoming questions, but then it's really easy to advance. If you ever find the time to start, please do. Really want to see, what you will create will be awesome, I'm sure 👍👍👍😁 and keep on your good work

One thing not in your video is proper dxf export with the option to give bend lines, engravings etc. a different line colour. This resulted in me redoing several parts in Inventor…

Perfect timing Neal! I just bought a new windows laptop and I'm so disappointed in it I started looking for an alternative to Inventor (so that I can use a Mac). Of course my first thought was, "what about Fusion 360?". I searched last night, and could only find your video from a while back for good info, and WALA! here you are this morning!

Neil great Video mate. I've been using Inventor Pro for about 11 years now and I was thinking of getting fusion to play around at home for those things that you want to know how to do but can't waste time learning how at work. It doesn't look like that's really an option.

Thanks for explaining the differences!

While Inventor has many super cool features, the thing I don't like about Inventor is the UI. As someone with no formal CAD training I find the UI to be clunky and hard to make certain features behave. At some point I need to sit down and learn it for work, but for now it's just frustrating.

Thank you for the video sharing the perspective

Does Inventor have a free version like Autodesk? As a hobbiest, I cant afford the insane prices to rent the software. Autodesk does not have a reasonably priced yearly subscription. What does inventor offer to the hobbies ?

Another top vid mate, keep up the great work. I do model threads(when needed) in Fusion, now that coolorange have discontinued their app and you have to upload to their cloud. Love the jacket 😎

Thanks that made me feel a lot better!

Got any videos on cables in Inventor? Cable routing, metadata etc.

At least the professional comparison for pro, thank you

The answer to any question is $$$$$ How much do you want to Spend ?? Fusion gets it's strength from the Budget minded people who use it. In many cases most have not spent 1 Cent on buying Fusion. You would think that Fusion was the only lower priced Software on the market the way people like to bang on about it ??? Usually the same people who are banging on about Fusion, are the people who Never paid for Fusion ???? Another advantage some like about Fusion is ? CAD & CAM in one Software. This feature does give Fusion some leverage for end users.

bro hi! you have wonderful videos, I subscribed to you and I try to thank all your material! I have a little question for you) how to change the Y axis to the Z axis in the inventor, so that Z is always vertical, and configure mouse control (alternatively, hang rotation on the right mouse button). Or is it possible to make a video with similar content? Thank you in advance!

The only thing that I would like Inventor to have is: a version of Vault on the cloud. In Fusion, you have something simple but it works quite well. I know that there are alternatives like Dropbox, but it's not the same thing as having a native integration of Vault that works as it works on a LAN setup.

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I'm a programmer by day and home machinist for pleasure. Cost-wise I use Fusion because I can justify it's cost for my use. What really annoys me with Fusion are some very basic things that I have to interact with constantly. Namely the sketch environment. I'm 53 and have old eyes and I really, really need to control the colors and lines in sketches so I can see them better. Sketch absolutely sucks at this and it should be absolutely easy to make customizable.These values are already in the program, background color and line colors. Just expose them to the user. Also, how about making it blindingly clear when you hover over a sketch constraint just which elements it controls. Throw them in red, grey out the rest. Should be simple. Yeah, I could go on and on about stuff that seems to be very basic. Features that should have been some of the first things developed. I used Autocad decades ago - as in a math coprocessor was a requirement and a separate chip you added to your motherboard - and it had better customization of linetypes. Although programming in AutoLisp wasn't fun.

Thank you bud great vid.

infotainer!! teach me! now I'm educated! thanks bud!

Love that jacket

Maybe fusion was created to gain market share against sketchup.

the bass from the music in my earbuds sometimes goes over your voice, but other than that great video!

Great Video. Love it!

You don't really need to understand "programming" to use ilogic, but you need to understand logic in general. Cause and effect, it certainly helps when you start trying to read or write anything more complex than iproperties and parameters, then yes visual basic and inventor API knowledge helps, but for setting a few simple parameters based on the results of other parameters or driven parameters, then you don't really need to know how to program, just follow a few simple instructions

I just liked your video .. Just by seeing the title of your video

I need to know more about family parts, would be crazy useful right now.

Neil do you have a secret channel where you sing country music? You might have a twin separated at birth

sold.. does inventor also have a student version? :)

Real shame Inv is nearly 4x more expensive per year than F360 :(.. Nice video :)

Haven't watched it yet, but already giving a thumbs up for the comments. My guess is that you missed the 'can publish part libraries to Infraworks' though... And can technically publish libraries to Civil 3D, but that tool is complete garbage

you on red drawf or somthing?

Have you compared Inventor and/or fusion versus BricsCAD Mechanical? Mechanical is a very small part of my work but as I was watching the video I realiced that I could do most thinks easier and more intuitively in BricsCAD, would love to see your comparison

Nice video - Can you dimension the length of an arc in a sketch in Inventor? It's one of the irritating omissions from F360. I used to use Creo / Wildfire / ProEngineer for work, but use F360 as a hobbyist. I like it, but there are some iritating 'features'. The sheet metal part is a bit naff - it doesn't seem to include any stretch allowance in its developments. I do like how it integrates CAM however, even in the 'not paid for' home version. Is there a "hobbyist" version of Inventor? I haven't been able to find one outside bona-fide education use. It's very interesting to see the comparisons between packages, anyway. [ETA] Drawings in F360 are very weak, too, but luckily, I only need to do them for myself these days :)

Neil, you're comparing a Ferrari to a Fiat. Fusion does a damn good job considering the price.

16. Drawing environment API's

Would love a nerfed version of Inventor for us makers, tinkerers, etc.

i know 9000 things initially and 1500 things a year inventor has that fusion doesnt... the huge bills. i know something that fusion comes with that inventor doesnt, cam included for the $299 a year as someone who has used AutoDesk for 35 years... 2% might need something inventor has that fusion doesnt.

Damn your good, I have used inventor for ~1 year and didn't even know most of those exist. 😭

you may have noticed everytime more universities ditch inventor in favour of Fusion...interestingly it is Autodesk itself that is pushing this, and also funding free Fusion training for whole departments 🤔

Jensen Huang does CAD

ugh dont get me started on spur gear, for my assignment i spend 3 days going over tutorials on how to do the formulas to do a spur gear only to then notice the bloody tool button haha

nice hair cute Neil :) I posted something on Linkedin which i have since deleted as and my "friend" was quick to slate maybe looking out for me. He supporting helping sometimes with one of the fusion 360, friend basically said merging two software's that are written in the same language can't be merged easily so you can imagine my thoughts "cough" "cough. his quote was "they want what's considered an prosumer platform and a commercial offering which are two completely different beasts". I have a licence of fusion 360 but my confliction is do I invest in the Product Design Manufactuing Collection and yes fusion 360 comes with it but do i just then stop using Fusion 360 and carrying on using in inventor....id like to think it would be inventor but i want to really no where i need to invest my time.

Spaceclaim..... Or Design Spark Mechanical.

I don’t understand why Autodesk made a new codebase for Fusion 360, and not extended Inventor to have Fusion 360 manufacturing capabilities, and then made a feature subset for a less expensive product. Seems to me like a waste of resources.

As a many decade AutoCAD user I have found that Fusion’s sketching ability is an abysmal failure. It took me several hours of workarounds to make a sketch that AutoCAD would have taken mere minutes to achieve. There are so many missing tools that make it basically useless. I had to revert to .dxf output in order to produce anything in a reasonable amount of time. Shame on your part, Autodesk. I’m hoping you bring your Fusion standards up to adequate industry usability soon.

Extremely helpful video. You're like the Autodesk ball shit filter! Great vid as always and that jacket!

I think Fusion is a mistake. I think they should focus all their efforts to catch up with the functionality of Creo, Solidworks, Solid Edge and others. Inventor is fine, but the 2010 version would be enough for me, there is still nothing in those versions that would make me say wow (maybe one wow model state). I thought they would add Sheet metal to Frame or Tab and slot or a much better Frame, but they put it in Revit as Functionality Advance steel wanted in Inventor. There's a lot to change and I'm still waiting. I'd like to be proud of Inventor, but I'm sad that development isn't fast enough against the competition. Why did they cancel Force Effect for Inventor? = I don't understand to this day.

each has its uses but I always go back to the $495 per year and it does what I need. for 10 years under its belt think its been doing well. again sorry but I am not sure how much inventor cost but you pay for what you get and I get just what I want inside fusion. why pay more, save up and buy a jacket like that?

The only reason I use fusion 360 is for CAM. Even for that, I create the model in Solidworks then import it into Fusion 360 then do the CAM. The design functionality of Fusion is simply trash.

just watched your video for a second time at 1.0 play speed instead of normal. I have a hard time keeping up and I think its just due to the heavy english accent. You create excellent videos but a suggestion comes to mind, SLOWDOWN , for us dumb americans that cannot always pick up what you are saying with the accent. I am sure you have seen this comment before and are perhaps sick of it but it has merit . PS love the leather jacket and for whoever thought is was distastefull should pound salt where the sun does not shine! TANK'S

We need to tell Autodesk to put 3D Sketch into Assembly.

I'm here because fusion 360 sheet metal is so broken I'm losing my mind. Cut the wrong place on a model and the entire sheet metal math history is just gone.

I hate Inventor , prefer Solid Works ,Fusion360 I don't know 😁

For a brief moment I thought I could work in fusion, but I realized, NO, I could not😆😆

You miss the overall goal and focus of Fusion360 - it is not to emulate Inventor which is such an let me say old way of doing things. Maybe for older cad trained folks thats fine. For the modern designers Inventor is a nightmare … just old workflows - Fusio360 tried to set a different approach till the marketing / investor team told them to focus on engineers and not designers as a market - remember when Fusion was called design differently ?

Interesting

Get on with it man....

Well, let's face it. Fusion 360 is not a replacement or alternative to the Inventor. It is a 3D modelling toy software for hobbyists. Quite expensive toy, but comparing to the price of Inventor, it must lack of the features of its older, wiser brother (or sister:). And that will not change ever I believe. For me the only way to use Inventor is that I have it through the company I work for. Otherwise I would need to use Fusion 360 for my hobby modelling. If you are doing modelling for 3d printing, cnc milling in small company and don't need full drawing documentation, Fusion is way to go. Otherwise, you need Inventor or other equivalent software from other provider.

Being able to work offline

This will make a new wave for AI

i wish fusion360 had imates! for easy assembly of repeated parts....

family parts == Configurations for SW people

i joined you mate :)

so you dont use ilogic, thats ok, instead of a tutorial on it why do you do a video on trying to learn how to create an ilogic function. some thing for us noob to follow along with. i dont just an idea. would be fun to see an expert trying to learn some thing :)

Tell us about the cool jacket :)

Not mentioned is: That greatest Power of Pack & Go is that what ever the Project file of the source is, there will be a new one created in the ZIP file. *VERY IMPORTENT*

15 billions features Ferrari has that Reliant Robin doesn't have

Come on Dave, hurry up and sub!

Hi Neil, Great informative video as per usual, BUT, are you rushing off to audition for the Danny Zuko part in your local am-dram production of Greece? Did you loose a bet? loose the biker jacket for all future videos it doesn’t suit at all!

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Is inventor more stable than Fusion? Fusion is the buggiest, laggiest, most crash prone piece of crap I've ever seen. It's horrible.

Get real and buy Solidworks!

Why would you pound my ears with this background noise, oh.. because you do not want anybody watch this longer than two minutes. I am out of here.

Oh my word, 80's jacket, just no!