they are, the hilux without the bed.

No earlier, their trucks peaked in 85. Last solid axel carbureted 4x4 and they were under 10k new.

@@Jangocat Considering $10,000 in 1985 is $25,000 with inflation, the current Tacoma isn't too far off starting at $26,000. Pretty incredible considering all the regulations they currently have to deal with. The old one were "bare bones" only when comparing to modern cars. Pretty much ALL vehicles were "bare bones."

I have owned and wheeled a 88 V6 runner, 86 Bronco, 91'Jeep YJ. Last year I wanted a hardtop SUV and I hunted down my Triple locked Toyota 80 series Land Cruiser. Nothing fancy, just a solid SUV body and durable interior sitting in an actual truck frame . A bulletproof large bore 6 cylinder built for torque and durability, an automatic transmission that gives me control over the torque, two honest to God solid axles. The rear is even full floating like a heavier truck would have. The damn thing is always in four-wheel drive. I can select low and high range and I can control the locking differentials from a simple dash switch. This old Toyota gives me enough control to wheel as well as my well built Jeep YJ did. I didn't have to spend weeks in the garage installing locking differentials, a roll cage, and transfer case gears.. This Toyota rolled off the showroom floor without a bunch of silly stickers and any kind of system that uses a computer to control the transmission and brakes. It's actually much easier to drive than any four wheel drive I've ever had and it does anything that the YJ could ever do considering the wheelbase difference. Toyota chose to discontinue the Land Cruiser. The model went out with a bang, it is a great family SUV and sold at a great cost. It was too fancy and expensive for most people who would actually go over landing.. It is my opinion that If they would bring back the simple body on frame design and solid axles with selectable lockers it would compete very well on the marketplace if not excessively overpriced.

There's no money in simplicity it's all about flash,that's why over 90% of 4x4 never see dirt unless driver has been drinking

Happy to learn that the ct110 worked hard with you. I was one of them who worked at Honda to make ct110 better back in the 90s. I'm also retired and am now happy to see the ct coming back for more fun to more people, especially to the new generations. Safe and happy ride for everyone!

Just like the innovas! (my father rides one daily)

Some bikes are harder to downshift from higher gears when youre not moving. Although this one only has 4 so it might not be that difficult.

Yes that's how we controlled the Auto-Clutch back-in-the-day. It is how you release the shifter on up or down shifts. That is how we did wheelies on those things, pull or press the shifter rev it up then release the shifter, Bam your off!

@@zephyr139 Agreed, he's downshifting too fast other option is to stop completely and then you can shift into neutral from 4th gear at least in my Honda is possible

Nice information. Classic designs feels great to ride. But see, this is pure extortion. Because an Indian company called TVS makes similar category, somewhat similar design, and or better performance moped for less than 700$. Check out photographs and specs of TVS XL 100, you will be urged to buy it.

haha I felt the same way, had a 1969 90. Blew the the gears out trying to ride it like a dirtbike

@@ajmentis7379 Lol yeah, obsessing over that elusive wheelie.

Had lots of bikes of various kinds.. All, All, All of my Honda 4-strokes were always, always, always, bullet-proof..

It has a sort of that old moped charm. I have an old 1980 Honda PA50 (aka Hobbit) and i can park that up on bike racks or walk it on the sidewalk and no one bats an eye. Doesnt hurt that it actually has working pedals, too!

Indeed. It's the swiss army knife of motorcycles.

For young people or just folks who aren't knowledgeable about bikes, the CT125 looks like one of those electric bikes we see so often nowadays.

@@karmuppet True dat...true dat...

That's because you meet nicer people on a Honda.

A friend of mine had a CT 90. It was a great bike. His family owned a huge dairy farm so we had lots of space to ride around in. Fun times back then.

DUDE SO DID I !!!!! it was my 1st bike!

Bought a CT90 recently for puttn around in woods

They've been making them in one form or another continuously since 1966, but not sold everywhere all of the time. It is used by the Australian and New Zealand postal workers for example.

A big miss on Thailand Honda design team for not making a dual range gearbox for this bike.

Mine was the trail 50 I remember my dad slaming on the brakes to stop and ask if the owners would sell it...$35 it lasted me from 1992 to 2004 electrical issues ended it.

Its the same for the honda four wheelers

true but your max speed in high was less than 50mph already? even with high gearing this thing wont stay near 60mph due to approaching the horsepower limits. it will do 55mph easy on a flat road as long as it is not windy.

I agree. The High-low ability is what gave this bike it's true ability and that was to explore the trails and difficult places, not as a highway bike.

I owned a 71 which the PO had paid PowRoll to build up the engine with a 125cc stroker kit. It could effortlessly cruise at 60 but you had to run aviation L110.

My atc honda 110 had that in 1978 i know what yah mean very cool feature

I had the 1964 Honda trail 55...wish I had taken better care of it. Had two 1968 CL 90s later on which I liked better. As teenagers in the 60's it was about the "look" and step thru's were "girly" back then. Still have a mint 1970's SL 125 though.

@@keithlucas6260 I had an SL70 - your 125 would be so cool!

Suzuki.

@@user-sw2lv3zp6o all the Japanese companies are good. But I’d say Honda is probably the best out of them overall. Each company has some good bikes. They’re also the most expensive out of the other Japanese companies but not as expensive as a bmw

2500 miles on my ct125 now, mine pops out of gear constantly. It's really annoying. Putting a cbr125r motor on it tho so.. :p

@@crazyewok8742 Yamaha and BMW are greater than Honda

@@Max_Marz huh, surely just a miss adjusted clutch or shifter or something right? No way it’s having real engine trouble already. Regardless a real clutch from the cbr would be a huge upgrade

@@helpfulcommenter My heartfelt sympathies go out to you, wherever you are on the spectrum

@@helpfulcommenter I believe he meant that everyone already knows what you’re saying. So you look dumb saying it again as if you know something that everyone and their mother doesn’t already know. And the trail cub is accounted in that 100million sales number. So this indeed is the most sold vehicle ever.

@@helpfulcommenter The Super cub C-100's were sold in the US, as where the Passports and a number of pressed steel type C-XXX series bikes. And in some countries like Vietnam the old C-100 is still being made with a more modern engine. The Trails series started in 1964 with the C105-T and the first of the C-200 87cc pushrod Trail 90's I've owned a number of the early Trails. including a no transfer case '66 Trail 90 with the OHC 89 cc engine. I actually prefer the old pushrod engines, they're tough, and cleverly designed.

Dude thats awesome, im suprised it can ford water like that

There is no clutch lever

You don't know the difference between a clutch lever and a shift lever?

@@theduke7268 he said "shift lever" not "clutch lever"

@@Akibatai00 on the ct's the shift lever is the clutch lever and the proper way to stop the wheel lock up is to rev match on down shift

@@bjorn1583 I know the shift lever is also the clutch lever on the CT. I have bought one and riding it since late last year.

Good for you. Frankly I never quite understood why there have been no underbone frame motorcycles sold in the USA since the old Honda Super Cub or the Trail 90’s back in the 70’s. After all, in Southeast Asian countries virtually all of the bikes on the road are of this type. And in fact, when I lived in Thailand I really loved my Honda Wave. It’s the perfect bike for the types of conditions you encounter over there and it handles fairly decent as well for what it is. It does tend to bog down quite a bit on steep grades, particularly with a passenger on the back, but otherwise it’s a great little bike. I guess there is just no market for these things in the USA. Apparently 99 percent of the riders here either want a powerful superbike, a large cruiser, or a dirt bike. And the remaining one percent want a motor scooter - probably because they have seen Quadraphenia one too many times, or they are just hipsters who want to seem more European. Personally I can’t stand to ride motor scooters though because they just don’t handle very well at all. By the way, to those who do not know what a motor scooter is they are easily identifiable by the fact that they have small diameter wheels, a flat pan to rest your feet on, and the engine, transmission, and rear wheel are all pretty much one unsprung unit. Perhaps another reason that underbone motorcycles are not popular here is because people associate them with mopeds, and in fact many Americans still mistakenly refer to underbone frame motorcycles as “mopeds”. A true moped of course has pedals, no transmission, and cannot have larger than a 50cc motor.

@@SLOBeachboy some of the scooters now are really fast, like the 650cc Suzuki Bergman, those things fly. I just don’t feel real comfortable with my feet together on running boards. But yeh, like you said there aren’t many step thru designs anymore. They were stamped steel frames, cheap and easy to manufacture. If they made those now with old cheaper technology and bare bones basic features they’d sell like mad. For $2000 so they’d be affordable for most people..

Why do you need attention when you ride? Ego that broke?

@@hipskipne1984 Ego would have you riding a liter bike.

Growing up we had two 110s. The low range and spare gas tank was really useful for trail riding. Thanks to the high air intake point (and exhaust outlet) deep water crossings up to the bottom of the seat were done on multiple occasions. Seems sacrilegious to put street tires on one.

What no low range? That is a key feature in my mind. I have a 90 with low range and that bike is like a tractor and will climb any hill like a mountain goat:)

@@judobear1 yeah I think the missed the boat on that one.

@@taco472 the Hunter Trail comes with a wider spread of gears ratios and the engine is long stroke. So it 's more than capable of plonking along at trail riding speeds while having enough power to climb out of holes like the old Trails could

@@helpfulcommenter Years ago I owned a '70 trail 90 with a Powroll 125 stroker hop up kit. Believe me that engine didn't need the low range as the torque came on at about 2000 rpm and was relentless. First in low range was almost useless.

you sued who?

ABGBSeKB

@UnderBridge Rock Go back under your rock

Same, mine was a passport 70 but they are the same bike :)

That sounds like a dream job.

@@larrynorsworthy8582 that’s what I thought too, damn I’m almost 55 and I’d do that now just to ride lol

WARD 90 degree Iron fittings painted machine gray.

The way you shift is blipping there throttle to match rpm when you downshift.

Semi-autos are no good for engine braking. Downshift only when you need to get back on the gas and the gear is too high. When you slow down for a stop, leave it in whatever gear you are in and downshift after you stop. I have owned several Honda Semi-Autos. While the trani can take a ton of abuse, you are mistreating it if you ride it like that, and you will wear out tires like crazy.

Spot on

So did I. With the dual rear sprocket. Those bikes were unbreakable.

Shhhhh

1 1/4" stainless hose clamps work wonders for mounting milk crates.

My G'ma had 2 Trail 90s we would ride also in the 80s. My first foray into motorcycles👍🏼😎👍🏼

I think every farm had at least one dust covered Honda in the barn that the grandkids would dig out when they visited.

How fast was the 90 on a flat road ?

Ha, I gave up my 1300 a few years ago and I'm really considering this bike. After 50 plus years of riding, I am really missing it. I think this bike may be the answer.

Either after I’m done with my CB1100 or I might just buy one for the wife and ride it myself. I dig it

honda has several underbone motorcycles. I'm curious if they are sold in the western world. they're popular in asia.

EU emission regulations.. I hope that a 2022 Modell will have the new grom engine, so that we can have the trail 125

@@gordon4952 Ok, now I understand why the Honda Monkey no longer is on sale in Norway in 2021. The Honda Monkey I bought is an 2020 modell.

Weird, in Germany we have a monkey 2021

They still use them in my town.

Run it up the Ike!

I also wish they would do an off-road adventure 😮‍💨

Here in Australia we have these earlier model bikes used as mail delivery , called postie bikes , look up on you tube Postie bike Adventures

Take a look at the channel Some Guy Rides. He has done the Smokey Mountain 500 trail and is doing the TAT (2000 miles) now.

A mailman delivery vehicle for Australia says a lot . Wow! What cc were they ?

@@MrLeo7627 motorbikewriter.com/honda-postie-an-australian-institution/

My CL350 was one of my favorite bikes of all time. I owned a Trail 90 at the same time and it was my desert fun bike for at least 10 years. My 350 went 40,000 miles before I sold it to a friend.

Same with braking in a corner

We get ripped off here in Canada,I keep asking when the monkey is coming but never get a good answer 😡

Yes, that is really too bad, but it costs $3900 in the US it would be around $5000 here + dealer fees and tax you're looking at over $6000 out the door - that is too much.

how do you ease off of a shifter? 🤣 You can ease off the gas, but you press the pedal up or down. You can't ease it up or down. Shifting is shifting.

@@JohnSmith-uy7sv I’ve got 2 trail 90s In my garage but I guess I don’t know anything.😂

@@patrickalmquist4762 Apparently not. you still did not answer what it is to "ease off the shifter." Never said you didn't know anything. Looking for an explanation of what you meant by that. Never heard of that.

@@JohnSmith-uy7sv probably the same way you ease off the clutch 🤷‍♂️

@@loganellis5449 you can't ease off of a shifter pedal. 🙄🙈🤪

Yeah and I'd really prefer the Himalayan, but in the US the RE is way more expensive.

yeah it's way too expensive for what it is. honda seems to want to pucnh way above its weight

You guys have fine mopeds and bike alikes Solex style

Exactly what I was thinking.

that why I let my bike slow on engine compression in 4th until abou6t 20 mph and the do a quick shift down to first. and remember to feather in the clutch with your toe.

He didn't know how to ride a moped. Here's a tip, you can do a full stop in 4th gear and go down the gear while stationery. The engine wont stall. Edit: riding a bike with centrifugal clutch is exactly like driving an automatic car. Except you have to initiate the gearshift yourself. Its impossible to stall an engine with centrifugal clutch unless you take off in 3rd gear or higher. Forget about the throttle and just change gear when the revs is low, unless if you're doing a complete stop. When/if you coming a complete stop, only shift down when you're completely stationary. Source: i ride a lot of underbone bikes in south east asia.

its because he dont rev match on the down shift causing compression lock

@@bjorn1583 you cant rev match a centrifugal clutch. If you rev the bike, the clutch will engage. The only time the clutch will disengaged is when you let of the throttle. So shift down while completely off throttle and watch your speed.

@@ilovelimpfries l ride one hard for between 4 1/2 and 6 hours aday 5 days a week and l say you can rev match on down shift. ps. the clutch will disengage at any rpm by pressing on the gear lever. pss. the honda cb 's are not mopeds

The only way 2 add power is replace it w a ktm.

What makes these bikes great is the fact that they are tiny. If you want a bigger bike they are plentiful.

People seem to get along just fine on the grom with the same engine