Yup, I hate carpet in my trucks.

yep my wife does dog shows, works in vet field, etc etc.. This whole leather seats and fancy materials on high traffic areas isn't my thing.. Give me a good dura tec fabric seat, vinyl floor and we will send that thing all day. This work truck is a+ because of this, to bad there RS / consumer one isn't optionable yet with it.

That’s one of my favorite features of my trail boss: no carpet.

Loved that my 1500 Denali while I had it had the upgraded vinyl floors.

It’s like. Do you want carpet in your whole house. Or hard floors (tile,luxury vinyl, wood)

Lmao. Just to get cruise control?

I still can't get over the fact that his truck does not have cruise control. How does any vehicle made after 2010 not have cruise control as a standard basic function

You need to order a certain package for cruise control as a feature in 2023? Shit cars have had that feature for decades, that’s pathetic coming from EVs. Should be a standard in the lowest of their basic trim models

@@josevazquez1042 i don't think it has anything to do with EVs as his truck is a standard ICE truck.

@@daddystired Inside joke

I will never like that minimalistic front end that all ev's seem to have. The rest of the cars/trucks design im not overly concerned about but they look to plain and simple and boring not to mention when you simplify is easy to go into the it looks cheep category

@@Sourman1545 the front end could be a bit better. By "looks great" I also meant the features/specs it has.

yeah. It will go down. That's how it always goes, it's expensive at first, and once enough people buy it they can afford to ramp up production and drive down cost. The huge deposit of lithium we found in the Salton Sea Geothermal Field will help. It's dissolved in the brine; it's just a matter of filtering it out of the water. Controlled Thermal, the Australian company that's extracting it, thinks they can get 300,000 tons every year for the next 100 years. It's northeast of San Diego. They also plan to build machinery to get geothermal power from the naturally hot brine (there's a huge blob of magma right there that's heating the rock). They think they can get 1.1 GW. (we already have 730 MW of geothermal up here in the Bay Area.) It's like the first IBM Personal Computer Model 5150.....when that thing came out in 1981 (my dad got one! it was my first computer at home), it was 5,000 USD, which is like 16,000 USD today. But you hold about 1000 times more computing power in your pocket, and it cost you a small fraction of that. 🙂

An Engineer that is this well spoken and quick on her feet is a needle in a haystack…. Ask me how I know

Kyle of out of spec did a nice interview that day with a young engineer on towing dynamics. Worth watching.

@@TheExumRidge Thanks! I did!

She was well spoken but what new relevant information did she add? It was like hearing from a marketing rep instead of an engineer.... For example when she was asked how they obtained such a tight turning radius, all she did was BS the topic....

@@nc3826 what would you rather she have said? Something about steer by wire and increasing the depth of the wheel well?…maybe engineering a longer rack and reduced gear ratio between the rack and the steering wheel. Why does it matter? This is a work truck, not a rock crawler. And that’s exactly why I think she was on point. She has a good head for what matters.

@@loudandclearmedia The interview was still interesting, since she was living with the truck. So her feedback was appreciated. And she's probably far better spoken than the average engineer. But she admitted she knew nothing about EVs before she started this project. And I would rather her say 'anything", that actually addresses the steering radius question. I was not asking for a detailed explanation. But something anything, would have been nice.... Instead of just repeating back the facts that were included in the question, which is what she did.... As a the marketing person she was fine, just not as a lead engineer. And why are you ranting about rock crawling? You seem to have had a stroke being so defensive about her. Good luck getting that taken care of....

@@nc3826 ummm, my comment was praise, yours was rant. Are you okay?

It's called a critique. "loudandclearmedia" Thanks for the irony. KZfaq wannabe experts are the best. Have a nice day.

Chief engineer... lol... how much you wanna bet that this will just be another EV-fail like everything so far... this country is so broken at its core. And people are blind to see that but eventually they will have to wake up that it was never a good idea to turn this world upside down.

It’s been designed to use Tesla’s charging network, which is the best currently. Their stalls are mostly back in. The rear camera makes that easier to judge distance than pulling in forward.

Placing the charging port at the front of the vehicle is much more conducive to charging while towing. Plus, it was designed long before Tesla's bassackwards charging scheme was a consideration.. Lastly if you think you need a camera to drive forward into a charging location, you should not be driving.

Put me on the engineering lead and this sucker would and perform exactly like a warthog from halo including the gatling style 3 barrel 50 cal. Or in the troop transport version, if youre like that I guess

Why not? The escalade iq ev is coming either later this year or in early 2024. 👍🏻

Basically yes. It will be the same basic architecture.

As an engineer I don't see the relevance of the question? Please state some more specifics why it wouldn't....

@@nc3826 It's not that it wouldn't, I'm just suprised that no journalist asked such an obvious of a question.

They are all based on a scalable Ultium based platform.....

I'm not a fan of mid gates but it does need an 8ft bed at a minimum to be a real work truck. Personally i would sacrifice the back seat go single cab just to have a longer bed

Then it would cost $90k

I agree 100%. THE customer who would use the midgate the most is the working man, i.e. fleet buyer. She really dropped the ball on that.

They decontented the vehicle to get the price down. All new tech starts off expensive. It will take scale to reduce prices, just like any other technology.

She's not totally wrong, but she's definitely not right.... She acted more like a marketing person than an engineer.... As someone with an engineering and financial background..... The economies of scale of just manufacturing one type of EV pickup, would have made The price increase for the WT versions marginal.... I disagree with a lot of things that Tesla does, but simplifying their offerings..... Does increase efficiency and make a lot of sense....

Look beyond the sale price, figure out what the monthly Total Cost of Ownership will be. Yes, the monthly loan will be higher, but is made-up by the difference in gas vs charging costs. The end result is a more expensive EV is actually cheaper to Own.

@@nc3826 I think most of the costs are from the batteries, which are common across vehicles with some having a reduced module count. The higher margin versions are constructed to boost profit margins, and the WT vehicles are probably offered to boost volume and increase scale.

Which shows the limitations of Li-on batteries. Its heavy, expensive to mine, and toxic. For this application it takes a 3K lb battery. That in itself is a showstopper IMO. This is a heavy 9K lb truck that mostly rich boomers will be driving around malls. Its mostly the boomers that are keeping up with the silly price points. But for how much longer? I don't think they alone can keep the higher priced trucks both EV and ICE with huge margins for much longer. If 80 percent of the market stops buying these overpriced trucks the oems are going to have a big problem. I mean things could get ugly for them. I mean really ugly.

@@HiPlains1 agreed, I am willing to spend some money on a vehicle I really want but you could buy a nice house in the Midwest for what a nice pickup costs these days.

Electric vehicles suck so bad its crazy how people are blind to how bad they are. Might beat you at the drag strip but put a ford lightning and a regular f150 in a towing time and overall cost competition by buying the f150s in denver, towing at max load to miami, seeing who gets there the fastest, then you sell the trucks when you get there and whoever gets there the fastest, Cheapest and retains the most of their money upon resale into the used market, wins. Im betting on the gas v8 f150 compared to the lightning. Maybe battery vehicles are good for underground mining idk. They dont seem very good at going the distance or refilling efficiently.. or cost effectiveness to purchase...

@@censored4christ162 I’m happy with my EV, I didn’t but it to tow, I bought it to get my wife to work daily for close to free. It costs me a whopping $4 to charge it up and she can go for a week or 2 on that.

so move the shit aside and put the tool in to get the wheel, man. lol

People in the industry know Sandy is a hack who is only known because the Tesla cult loves him. She would not give a shit about what he has to say.

Government motors aka estrogen manufacturers incorporated.

1. Me , 2. Me, 3. EVs don't need repairs like ICEs which is why my 2016 Ram Ecodiesel just got lemon lawed after 6 visits to the service center in 4 months.

This is a completely different market though. There are 20 tradesmen customers looking at this truck for every potential hummer EV customer, if not more. As such I think they’ll be cranking them out. Same thing with the ford lightning. We’re about to see a LOT more of these kinds of trucks on the road.

They probably loose money on them.

They lose a fortune if they sell 1 so theyre trying to get rich people to buy a ton and take the burden of dishing them out or soemthing idk man 😂😂😂 idk. Its going to be a 100k truck unless you buy a fleet to gey the price per unit down i guess

I don’t think the platform itself is inefficient, simply the Hummer implementation that is. Doesn’t this have the same battery size as the Hummer, but get considerably more range?

What should piss everybody off the most is that yeah it's forced....but it's not forced because we didn't know the environmental issues were coming because we did. It's forced because we let corporations drag their feet and milk every dollar they could for decades rather than dealing with stuff head on at a reasonable pace. We citizens will have to pay the price now that half the continent is on fire, water is either flooding or drying up and our own Department of Defense is prepping national defense strategies on how to deal with the crap that is coming our way. Stuff like mass refugee influx from countries in the southern continent who will soon be devastated from stuff like rising and heated waters, just as we get hit by the massive rise of insect borne diseases we never used to get like malaria, zika and dengue (already on the rise now). All because the climate has changed enough that the the southern USA is now considered suitable climate regions for insects that never used to be able to survive here. Oh and don't forget that the crops yields will continue to drop... Do food instability will be fun too. Yeah it's forced... And yeah I'm pissed about it but I don't know who I'm more pissed at....those in power or the moronic population of US citizens who allowed themselves to be dumbed down and herded like cattle to the point they let a few thousand people destroy not only our nation but likely the future of our kids. When I think of it in those terms we are getting exactly what we deserve. A great big 🖕

I like motorcycles i kinda worry about these electrics either ramming me full speed, or trying to stop and they cant amd. I get ran down

20 percent less range while towing with EV. Wow that was a very optimistic and unrealistic statement by the engineer. In short, EV eats shit when towing. And cost will be a ton more then what she is claiming. I mean Ford said they would have a 40K ev truck. That ended up being 60K base and they are still losing money. THis truck has even bigger batteries then the Ford. Realistically the battery pack on this bad boy will likely cost 25-30K dollars. And weigh more then 3K lbs which creates many problems.

@@HiPlains1 She didn't say it will be 20%, she said it mirrors the loss with ICE, so if your ICE loses 20%, the EV will lose 20%. My loss when towing is 50%, which is in line with what I've seen for other EV towing tests. That's just physics. The biggest problem is that chargers are not configured for vehicles that are towing, so this wouldn't be useful for long towing trips. But for shorter trips, say under 600 miles, where you're only charging once or twice enroute, this could actually work for many people. I stop every 250 miles with my ICE vehicle now anyway.

@@jghall00 It is hilarious to watch people claim that their drive train will magically change the kinetic energy and potential energy used to move the towed object. It's the same energy applied at the wheels. The drive train has a constant efficiency that is the same for towing and not towing so it has to be the same percentage across vehicles. The best that could potentially be done is gearing, but then there would need to be a gear specifically for the use case. Thank you for taking the time to explain to them.

Thats a question we will save for GMs cheif accountant brother. The engineer you want to talk about the engineering. Its spec sheet capabilities, things added or taken away etc. I think harley is losing a lot on livewires as well man. But they make a killing on everything else so it sucks to see all the profits shoveled into the fire

Is it Harry? I bet it's Harry.

Did she lead? Does it matter?

Gm is being ran into the ground by a woman trying to put women in all the power positions to prove "women can do it too"

Except for during towing, it's in the right place currently for tesla superchargers (rear driver's side).

It's charging port location should be able to handle Tesla's stupidly short charging cables..... But I agree a front charging port location is ideal for most applications, Including towing, except it's considered more vulnerable in an accident and more complex to install....

I'm looking forward to more pull-through charging stations with overhead covers so it's more like the ICE experience. I think for towing it's going to be necessary, and FWIW, even without towing it's more convenient. With ICE, the filler can be on one side or the other depending on brand so you still have to figure out which side to use, and having the overhead cover is nice when it's raining or if you need shade.

Refueling gas vehicles only takes a couple minutes, so a pulls through design Is much more conducive to its operation.... pull-through charging stations will always be few and far between due to the space and time constraints.... Range extenders and eventually battery swapping.... Make more sense for EVs designed to Tow....

V4 Superchargers cable is 4.5 feet longer than the current ones, so that should help. However I plan to tow a lot and unhooking to back in would suck if it was multiple times a day, so I have been hoping for drive through stalls. Otherwise I will be pulling alongside at night when there aren’t people around and hoping nobody shows up. I had a minor crash with my Tesla which has radiators in both front corners, so coolant leak and it can’t be driven very far until it gets in the body shop. So I’m fine with the charging in the back. I also have a VW with the charging port on the passenger side and I don’t like it. Driver’s side rear is good for me

Losses while towing in an EV are more noticeable because there aren't reliable fast chargers set up for tow vehicles everywhere. I still plan my route when towing my camper because I prefer roomier truck stops. But I can't go over 250 miles before I need to refuel. It's the same for ICE trucks with smaller gas tanks, but there are gas stations everywhere. In an EV you have to be super cognizant of where you can charge because some areas don't don't have many functioning chargers. I had to limp my rental Tesla to chargers with under 2% remaining twice on my last road trips. I made it, but it sure was uncomfortable.

In cold climates, the gasoline engine becomes much more efficient because that heat energy can be used to heat the cabin where as an electric vehicle heat energy needs to be created by the batteries to warm the cabin and the batteries them selves which is hugely inefficient.

@@MarkSmith-cz3by Many modern EVs employ heat pumps to improve cold weather range. There's still a loss, but this can be mitigated somewhat by preconditioning before departure and enroute to chargers. Unless you road trip in cold weather frequently it's not an issue. Tesla in particular is excellent at this.

It’s closer to 40%.

@@user-tb7rn1il3q It depends on the trailer profile. The bigger the parachute, the bigger the mpg hit.

It is great that she actually uses the truck, but what relevant engineering based information did she give?

@@nc3826 not really giving out any information until the full launch of the silverado ev. After that then I think there will be greater details coming out 🤷‍♂️

​@@TheSara200424 to the contrary GM disseminated a plethora of information about the Silverado EV.... So it was disappointing when she completely avoided the question, about what contributed to the tight turn radius? Even if she would have said she couldn't give Out any information.... It would have been a better response.... iMHO

​@@nc3826well i mean if you ask her how thick the body panels are i het you she will tell you they arent

This is a light-ish-half-ton-truck...for her a "full-size"...

Good point. Thats the nice thing about ford. Toyota wont sell you a single cab but ford will so you can get single cabs with flat beds or utility trucks the powerline people set them up with cranes etc. A real work truck 😂

Its built so if you bump it agaisnt anything the frame bends

It sure will and how long will it take to charge that massive battery, especially on an L2 charger!!

Fenders bolt on to all body types.

@@jamesengland7461 Look at the truck again, the rear is one huge piece

@@MrSweetHart6976 that's a normal quarter panel for the past 75 years.

But hey shes got two houses so at least she has enough juice to gey from one to the other and charge in the garage

Theyre the same thing

@@censored4christ162 In most cases they literally are not. They are models expressly made for business that are not sold to consumers.

Youd like to see it but you wont be willing to pay for it and neither will most people who will ever exist on earth 😂

4wt is 78K (seen here AND is Fleet ONLY) and RST is 105K. that's all that will be available for 2024

@cordellroberson532 lol so much for 39k price tag that was advertised huh. What a bunch of crooked lies.

Short beds are still nice for things lime landscaping becsuse you csn still fit a number of blocks bricks soils etc. But do i wsnt to put block in a 100,000 dollar 400 mile range gn product? Maybe if i could afford not to care anymore

A ton more. I currently own an EV and it's significantly more to insure than any other vehicle I've ever owned. With replacement values higher than their ICE counterparts, electrified trucks will be expensive to repair especially if their is any damage to high voltage battery pack or surrounding support structures. This is why the premiums cost more. Truck ownership, just a decade ago, was much lower of a financial burden. As these new trucks become available, the buying public will get a sense of the true cost of ownership.

Depends on each vehicle and each individual circumstance

Its all lies. Theyll hail it as great as it fails in every way possible just like venezuala

I like a body, on a frame

For the most part, they don't roll over. Super low center of gravity. I've never seen an EV rollover besides that one Model X the guy drove off a cliff face...

@@maj429I still expect a strong roof just like the teslas have.

Payload will probably be around 1300 lbs lol. The problem is the 3K lb battery takes away most of the load capacity. All EV trucks have that problem. They are all too damn heavy as it is. Yeah she will avoid the question like the plague. Because the capacity sucks. For the same price point you can buy a HD 2500 and drop a 2K lb pallet of pellets in the bed and the truck will hardly squat at all lol. And if you wanted to, drop another 2 thousand pound pallet. Yeah this 9K lb EV truck has the same capacity as a mid size frontier. That's not even funny. That is sad.

@@HiPlains1 I agree 100%. I believe this push for electrification in work and purpose-built vehicles is very premature and will be short-lived as the "buy-in" from everyday consumers will be very limited. With the current state of battery tech and public infrastructure, these electrified trucks are a novelty item for those with deep pockets and those who want to impress their friends. Don't get me wrong, electrification is generally good when efficiency is there and the primary purpose is daily commutes to and from work. Just look at the success of GM's Bolt and even bigger, the global powerhouse of Tesla commuter vehicles, especially the more affordable Model 3s and Model Ys. Unfortunately, there are just too many obstacles at this time for large scale rollout of truck duty electric vehicles; ownership costs, public infrastructure, and battery weight just to name a few. IMO, any carmaker "all-in" on electrified trucks in the short term is playing Russian roulette.

@@HiPlains1 The majority of light duty pickups are mall crawlers. Users who actually use payload capacity will buy a HD truck. Same for those who tow longer distances. This will actually be a boon to the HD truck market, while the light duty market will now grow exponentially. It's brilliant.

@@whythatsfantastic4602 that doesn't represent reality. Most folks RVing use the daily driver 1/2 ton, unless the coach is a big 5th wheel or toy hauler. And with a massive increase in purchase pricing, electric pickups will still be a hard sell to the masses. So many other obstacles for buy-in too like lack of public charging and range limitations. Adoption will be a very long a gradual process...unlike what many EV proponents believe. And I'm saying this as an EV owner myself.

This is gm trying as hard as pissible to make an electric budhet full sized and it costs over twice what the old f150 v8s were back before rhey switched to plastic valve covers and upped the price. And its worse in a lot of ways

She just seems proud. What's wrong with that? And when did she mention how much money she has?

Sounds like that’s a problem with your perspective. I didn’t think she was bragging at all, she was explaining how she uses the truck herself.

@@officialyasir sounds like you grew up on the streets and were never introduced to manners.

@@MatrixDiscovery Perhaps you can teach us some manners. Please tell me exactly what she said you found to be offensive.

Yep...just 1400 lbs. And it has a worthless 10k max towing capacity with that payload. Subtract the weight of a family of 4 as well as bed cargo and a WDH and an owner will have about 600 lbs left over for the tongue weight of a camper. As she stated in the video, GM will have variants that offer more available payload but at a cost of range deduction. So basically, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

How far does an f150 v8 go

Considering the $80k base msrp for a work truck, I do not think the industry is worried.

Gm so doomed

Nope you're going to have to buy an electric snowblower 😅.

Other than the effect of temperature on the batteries, I have wondered how an EV full size truck would perform with a plow. My gut says they probably won't support it, though, because you typically have to chop up the lower valence to accommodate a plow mount that hangs down, both of which would kill aerodynamics and range, and then you have a totally different 12 volt architecture from an ICE truck to contend with for the controls.

Unlikely, there is no frame.

Plowing is harsh on a vehicle you sure you want to expose your battery to that kind of vibration?

I just dont trust gm and electronics

Bro its probably both those things at the same time together.

1wt? 2025, 2026. only 2 models for 2024. 4WT and RST

Bro theres almost nothing in the class what is even best in a class of almost no competition?

Thats how they have to build every one because to gey barely ebough range to go anywhere at all they have to make the battery the core spine of it so to speak. The battery is build into a box almost that acts as a frame in a way. But to me.the downside js now your electrinics are at the lowest possible point 😂😂😂