Back in the day you changed the body of the car and kept the same engine for 20 years, today you keep the body and change the tech. And I think that you don't sell EVs by looks but by upgrading the tech, mostly the range. I do get the Rivian /Tesla approach.

You really care if your neighbor can tell if it’s new or not? Sounds like nit-picking

Geez Roman! It's not for you we get it.

Maybe things were different in the 60s/70s, but I doubt it. No automaker is updating models yearly. Also, the main intent on this refresh isn’t driving up volume, it’s cutting production costs and gearing up for higher production models like R2/R3.

If I bought a Rivian, it would be a dual motor extended battery. It is fast enough and the extended range would make it more useable.

Rivian is badass I really like the suv

Roman is maybe the grumpiest person covering EV trucks regularly. He seems half asleep during this video lol. Can they get Andre someone mildly enthusiastic in Rivian or ev trucks. I actually like Rivians and EV trucks and Andre's coverage has been pretty good but this video is just Roman again rehashing his views on why EV trucks don't really work, his views on technology, and his views on charging. All of those things are fair but if you're watching this video you probably understand all of that and it doesn't apply to you or it doesn't bother you.

The new rivian seems like the best small truck money can buy, tho I'd wait for 25/26 version so you have native NACS and don't need any adaptors.

I agree that caring about exterior changes is an old way of looking at cars. They changed a TON of components and made the vehicles significantly better.

I like everything about the rivian trucks and SUVs but the headlights ruin it I would not buy it strictly because the headlights look ridiculous

I like the Rivian over the Cybertruck. Just my preference.

Okay, okay ….. I’m 62. However, independent of age, auto insurance has skyrocketed! Now, albeit not unique to EV, Rivian, etc, does anyone have first-hand experience with the cost to replace the front clip (if that term hasn’t been canceled)? Radars, 5-6 cameras, air bag sensors, etc. and now assuredly this will now include a hood, a frunk, and …..

Love the new refresh

My wife likes the new Santa Fe because it's boxy, capable looking SUV. She likes the "I men business" style, and she wasn't big on the previous iteration, which was curvy.

Roman, I appreciate your opinion. I also raise the argument you made in connection to Apple/Hyundai/Kia to take into account two things; margin and economies of scale. For margin, companies like apple are in a different market segment with drastically different margin in comparison to the automotive industry as a whole. For economies of scale, Hyundai and Kia produce significantly more vehicles annually, allowing them to focus more of their efforts on drastic visual changes to their models YoY.

I find it funny that vehicle manufacturers always boast about 0-60 times and people eat it up...Then driving around they never use anything that has to do with a 0-60 time.

Exactly Roman! So why do you drag race every truck you test. Nearly every video you did with the trx involved drag racing. Hypocrite.

With over 400 miles of range the higher voltage isn't really needed because after you drive 350+ miles you are ready for a 30 to 40min break to get back to 80%. The 800 volt architecture would be more useful for a towing package because after 175 to 200 miles of towing you don't want to sit around waiting to charge if you need to travel further.

It would be interesting to compare Rivian with GM's sensor suite to see how much better Super Cruise is to the Driver Assist sensor-wise.

Of course, Rivian is struggling to survive. They didn't have the money to spend on making the new Rivian look different. I think they should be commended for spending money on substantive improvements, not surface appearances.

I don't think Roman had his morning espresso... heck, I do not think he was fully awake during this video 🤣. I don't care that it looks like the Gen1... the Gen2 updates cover some of the concerns I had. I am so glad that I waited a few months for these to come out. So much for keeping my Jeep Gladiator Mojave and adding a new Telsa Model Y when it came out... forget that. I will be trading my Jeep Gladiator Mojave for a Rivian Tri-Motor!!

Is anyone else getting tired of Roman's grumpy old man routine? If this was a Big 3 or Toyota product Roman would be singing the praises of the major refresh. This video would have been more valuable for viewers and the TFL brand if Tommy had been swapped in for Roman.

As been said over and over….trucks are not being used for “truck” things as you allude to by most people. Rivian knows there are too many competitors in the full and midsize segment that do “truck” things well. They are appealing more to those that want to have adventure on occasion and not towing anything or very little. 98% of time commuting. You want to tow buy an ice, just forget about towing with EV trucks right now…..we al know it’s not their strong suit. But ice trucks don’t have 1000hp or 2.9 0-60 sec. To each their own.

Roman is complaining about the design and things for the r1. He has a valid point for his demographic but I am not sure if Rivian is aiming at your types though. Think of it aiming people buy Patagonia clothing, if you are not those types, then I guess Rivian is not building them for you.

Trucks haven't been just trucks since the early 90's, at the latest. Trucks are clearly status symbols for a lot of people, how else are there so many with immaculate beds and nary a dust particle on the door jambs? That ship has sailed, now resulting in the absurdly tall hoods that serve no purpose outside telegraphing a message to everyone that lays eyes upon it. Also, how is the absurd styling of the old-school manufacturers' trucks any less overdesigned than a Rivian?

Rivian needs rear wheel steering!!

If Rivian has so much financial trouble why would you think it a good idea make tooling changes for the sake of just being different? Also that macbook on the desk looks exactly like the one i had in 2012 so your comparison to apple seems flawed as well

Rivian, please put more cheap GM-style square plastic into the R1T interior so Roman can feel more manly.

Roman should have gone to the reveal for his prime rib meal. Probably was sushi tho 😊. I really am astounded by the Rivian’s specs. I want to see it on the Ike challenge and I want to see Tommy’s take. The Rivian is capable and the range is great. Is this a work truck? Not the quad or tri motor for sure and would stick to the F150 XL for that

59:40 Sponge Bob….that’s what I thought 😂😂

I’m not really looking forward to an electric anything purchase. However, I know it’s coming as California makes sure you have no choice. When I do, it will be a Rivian. I doubt I’ll look at anything else.

I care more about functional improvement, not cosmetic change. Roman doesn’t realize Apple makes very few outside changes most years, just internal improvement.

This is a good refresh. They did a lot to improve the technology and driving characteristics-which for a pickup was already pretty great. I don’t agree with the take that the truck is too feminine lol, but to each their own. I appreciate that it looks different but in a way much more approachable than what Tesla did with the CT.

A Rivian is not a work truck.. Ford and and GM has the work truck market.. Rivian sells to the general car/truck market who go the general outdoors..

All of Roman’s arguments are falling flat here. My neighbors perspective the last thing I’m thinking of when buying a truck. Also, evolutionary changes preserve value of the gen 1 trucks. See 911, See Rolls Royce, see ford f150 for godssake. Also where were these perf arguments when evaluating the TRX and Raptor? Finally - probably less than 10% of truck buyers tow on even a semi regular basis.

Lucid Gravity should be seen soon

I think Rivian did cost cut for with no comprimise but can they produce without losing money?

The average car shopper could car less about what is underneath and the tech. They will look at this "refresh" and say "What's different again?"

Y’all are wild talking about how everyone needs to do/does a complete refresh on a mid cycle facelift especially with the new company that hasn’t even been out that long. Financially doesn’t make sense. Couple examples, Durango, Charger, Challenger, Raptor/Raptor R, Tacoma, 4runner, Mazda 3, Miata, Jeep(everything), Frontier just to name a few. Perspective much? it’s a refresh they’re trying to keep/have an identity. It’s fine. Sidenote, I’m really looking forward to the dual motor with the larger battery. I still wish they broke up that side panel for ease of repair.

Currently I have a model x but really looking into the Rivian. The cyber truck is out of my price range. The Rivian is a better offroader, camping, and overloading. BUT third party chargers suck and over priced

Roman, I’m not really sure what you are talking about in reference to the changes that Apple makes boy it’s computers because it’s hey do not change the basic design all that often. In fact other than ports or keyboard functions you’d have to go back more than a decade to see any drastic changes. Also, you are describing two COMPLETELY different computers that Apple makes. One is an iMac which is basically an all in one desktop and the other one you are talking about is a Mac Mini which is just the computer itself. However the iMac just had a redesign a couple of years ago after roughly 10 years of looking the same m. The Mac Mini has had the same design for several years now. In the almost 20 years of the iPhone they have had 4 designs changes. Lastly let me add this because sorry but you complaint just doesn’t make much sense, the Tacoma & F-150 make very few design changes to where 95% of people, even car people, wouldn’t know the model year until they got close enough to see it yet they are the best selling trucks on the market. The simple fact is it is significantly more important to have OTA updates that doesn’t make your vehicle obsolete and Han major design changes.

The concept electric Tacoma looks pretty good. I would take that over the current electric truck options. I've seen a couple cybertruck in person and they look terrible. The rivan looks better, I would get it over the cybertruck.

Electric Car Math is different. Power and speed are byproducts of increased range. As the battery pack gets bigger, it can deliver more current, and therefore the car can be fast. These trucks just _happen_ to be fast as a byproduct of them having good range and good off-roading abilities. It’s not like an ICE car where speed needs to be focused on.

Dont break RJs ballz in one statement of chasing HP. Then in 2 mikes later say u Somehow LUUV HP! Dont contradick urself! Ur the ol guy in a ZO6 convert, goin 47 mph in LEFT LANE! MOVE TO UR RIGHT ROMAN!!!!

the lightening rides like a big boat and fits the work truck person.. the GM design looks horrible.. I would buy the Rivian dual motor base model with the LFP battery

All I hear is "The First addition R1's should go on sale soon:"

I like rivian. Hope they do well. Looking forward to the r3x

The looks of R1T is the right one. Truck ppl like more masculine ones but they don’t like EV. EV ppl are less aggressive.

12:46 IKR…I can care less how fast my truck can go 0-60 ….Improve its range and tow ability.

In what world is the cybertruck a better off road truck? because it looks meaner!? Quad motor in the r1t allows each wheel to be controlled independently depending on the surface its on for minimum wheel slippage and torque vectoring. Being able to put down all your power on one wheel per axel is not an advantage when you can already put down >250hp and 300lbft on a single wheel with the quad motor. The rivian has slightly less clearance but far better articulation. The rivian also has an air compressor and somewhere to store a spare tire, a must for offroading or even just driving in the deep country side. Everything about the rivian is designed for people who want to go on adventures offroad (even if for most that means just dirt roads), the cybertruck is made for people that want to be noticed (all of the specs like the not so bullet proof exterior are made to be bragged about but never used)

Ironic Apple reference. I bet Roman can't tell the difference between current and several previous generations of Macbooks or iPhones or Airpods or iPads or apple watches. He is the master of arguing against himself.

I can’t wait to see you guys test the Base LFP Version

I like the R1T better than the R1S looks wise.

7:29 not true Roman. Apple computes have been the same for years without change. Same goes with the iPhone and iPad.

Rivian is the only EV pickup that would fit in my garage. Better size/fit overall.

Roman - curious.. compare design to the Ridgeline... they feel alot the same on the inside (i.e. feminine)

I'd not call this a face lift, it the total opposit, generaly a face lift changes the aestetics trying to boost the sales without changing much of the underpinnings to save cost. The aestetics of the rivian mostly stayed the same, the changes are mostly where you can't see them

I really appreciated that TFL showed/discussed the display models and tech updates.

Musk explained, Chips will be used to develop AI used by both companies immediately, if sent to Tesla, would sit in warehouse for 6-9 months before Tesla can use directly, so is GOOD management and good use of capital investment

Andre we love you. Roman. It’s ok bud it’s exhausting being the president of Tfl you have every right to be tired bud if you need a minute it’s ok check a email or two. Delegate a few things to Andre and tommy and the team Then get a bit of rest or read a book. Then get back to work the next day. Ps I know Nathan moving to California is a lot as well mentally and emotionally. Heck I’m scared

1 hour of video to hear Roman wenge on about what he thinks make a truck a truck. Roman is never going to like Rivian. That's it. End of story. Rivian doesn't care either - they evolved an existing platform, refined it, made it more efficient and expanded the packaging. Granted, they took some features out to keep the pricing effective for the base truck which bugs me as a potential buyer - the glass roof, tow hooks, camp speaker, bedside power and air pump are all optional now to keep the price down.

Where's the Ranger Raptor videos?

somebody needs a snicker ;)

I think Musk's decision to send Nvidia chips to X vs Tesla, has everything to do with a pending vote regarding his pay package at Tesla.

I dont buy a truck based upon the body shape newness.. a new truck needs improvements that really count like the internals.the riviian has a new base model with LFP batteries.. lower base price.. etc

Range is less important than changing curve, which they didn’t improve

Tesla will update the Cybertruck with more power soon now.... Cant finish second to this .

i think cars have a face and the Rivian's face looks ugly if you identify the main headlights as the eyes but it looks good if you identify the portion of the light bar that's outside the headlights as the eyes.

I’m sorry but the Rivian is miles better looking than the cyber pig and better built.

I'm glad people are starting to reject the electric trash

Cyber truck is as ugly as a truck can get = the Rivian update refined what is already awesome vehicle - i am for one glad the looks was not changed - continue to improve function under the hoot - ie computer power which will allow future upgrades going forward

Rivian is so much smaller than a silverado and cyber truck. Ford f150 seems ancient

It definitely needs physical buttons for HVAC system and other common things

Horsepower sells trucks! Why did Ford make the Raptor? I traded my CTSV Blackwing for Quad R1T! Why you ask? Horsepower !!!

lol! MacBook hardly changes how they look.

52:42 I’d buy a Rivian …

I like the styling of the truck currently with its curvy sexy design. I hate square boxy hard corner designs a lot of new trucks have now.

Yay more power but No more range ? No thanks.

Why do we have to forever accept this “model year” business that started 100 years ago? Maybe you need some fresh thinking.

I just can't stand to watch segments with Roman anymore!!

Also sounds like Roman is coping extra hard having wasted over a hundred grand on a cyber truck. No one likes it, and he's justifying it as the best.

If it were me i would choose the rivian ,i think the cybertruck is the ugliest truck that has ever said it's a truck! Chevy is nice but way to expensive, ford is ok and a good truck but for the price on the f150 you get more range on the rivian. To me the rivian is a miss livable truck then the others! The f150 to low and hard to lift out do off-roading things, let alone go of the beaten path from time to time! Tesla is easy to expensive (tesla had to many horror stories on dealing with there service department, to many issues with that truck and not with the money on it!) as far as Chevy goes it will be a year before they really start coming out.

Totally agree with Roman. The Rivian looks too feminine.

It’s not square enough. Let’s make it sharp like a Cybertruck 🤮

Electric trucks need to stop advertising towing. Put an 8,000 lbs trailer on it and then tell me the range. Ya, that’s right, I’m not towing anything 35 miles each way.

Big miss making more focus on track times vs offroad capability. Dual motor having ipen diffs is a big fail

I’m curious if you take the same attitude towards the RAM luxury style truck or the Ridgeline. Rivian being “feminine” and luxury is a weak criticism. Stick with the real problems.

The new specifications are very impressive but they missed the opportunity to redesign the front end and use well integrated head lights instead of the awful vertical configuration. Still a great vehicle but not a pickup truck in the normal sense.

losing $1.5 bill/qtr... and they modify a low-selling vehicle... rivian is headed for bankruptcy for sure ... owners will be left out to dry

You guys are way too old for most future cars and trucks!

Yuk! Roman sure knows how to say some idiotic and ignorant things 😮😮😮.

Roman is saying some sexist stuff. No longer a fan.

If it were a Raptor RR with 1000hp Roman would think it's cool. And your example of Apple changing their design language all the time is the opposite of reality. The MacBook Pro 16 of today doesn't look hardly any different from a MacBook Pro from 10 or 20 years ago. The truth is most trucks are bought by people who never or rarely use them for "truck" things and they spend the majority of their time just being oversized commuter vehicles. That's the reality of the situation, just accept it and move on... too feminine... what a joke.

The average person cannot tell the difference between an iPhone 12 and an iPhone 15 in a lineup. Couldn’t have used a worse example to make his nonsensical point. EV companies are struggling at the moment primarily because of interest rates, not because they didn’t change the headlights lol

why are you guy's talking about this shit box junk electric

Apple phones are all the same looking so I would not use Apple in comparison I would use Android because they change phones into making them different Apple is just plain dull and boring.

Why does Roman always look like he has a hangover?

Hands free driving should be illegal and banned. I trust humans not robots or technology to do it.