Yeah, only see that solid front axle on Ford and RAM HD's.

There will be no def post appocolips illkeep my 12valve

@@truckcampertraveler7369 yea some people are ignorant. Id take a truck that was mechanical for SHTF.

NATE DOGG apocalypse*

@@kyukyoku_ I usually don't care about grammar, but damn he butchered that shit LMAO.

Nexus company does build a camper on this

Chevy has always been dumb about where they put the def inlet. Almost like the never actually use a truck

They should put no DEF system since they're unreliable and always cause problems. Add in the DPF and ridiculous amount of filters and it's a recipe for disaster. Companies who run vehicles like this can't afford down time yet that's what these modern diesels spend more time doing.

Not to mention all the carbon is created to create the def fluid and the plastic container and the box it comes in. Also more fuel is burned so is it actually reducing the carbon foot print in all reality? Probably not.

Most def

@@maxell3655 yeah but DEF isn't about lowering carbon emissions it's about eliminating Nitrogen Oxide emissions...

Would be nice, but would also NEVER pass "passenger" crash tests...Plus your insurance would sky rocket...But you are right.

Freedom Rider why wouldnt it?

The 8.1 496 cubic inch big block is a sweet motor!

We ran an '03 Kodiak 4500 with the 8.1 outfitted with a 10ft dump body for hauling concrete, gravel, etc. The thing is damn near indestructible. Just took it off the road in December and cleaning it up for who ever buys it next.

Old Dominion Welding YES! WOW!

Loved the 8.1 motor. I wish they had a better after market.

8.1L is a great motor. It is a bit thirsty though, but that’s to be expected.

Thankfully it's basically a normal GM drivetrain

The good news is the heart and lungs is all Chevy which is the important part.

Hahahaha yeah navistar seams to think diesel engines should run 250 degrees

Worked for ups all international trucks were junk now a lineman all international bucket trucks junk not sure why anyone would get help from that company

Only good engine from navistar is the dt466.

Wasn’t “looks like” leftovers, it is leftovers

Its not impressive at all. They got really lazy on it. I rather get an international MXT thats a bad A$$ truck

Just a more powerful engine and transmission. Big strong truck. No good features

Its a work truck who cares.. its made for on the job its supposed to be basic and functional

@@rudythe3 The MXT is for consumers... people dont usually buy a 5500 for a toy hauler. The MXT is luxurious for a reason. its marketed towards those with deep pockets and this is simply a work truck.... Theres no bells and whistles. I used to drive a F450 for a asphalt company. It was just as bland

Navistar owns International so its not "and".

It would appear that Navistar has almost nothing to do with the power train, just the chassis. So we can be thankful for that

Chris Conway agreed. I remember the powerstrokes. *shivers*

Mr Sunshines internationals have their fair share of issues. And I would be thanking GM for not agreeing to have them help develop the power train... we all know how that went with the fords.

ckmckeon you are correct. I am speaking of the two words that he says, “international” and then “navistar”

​@@williamrheawe958 ​ if you are saying that the 450 and the 550 are not in the same class as the 45/55/6500? than saying the 650 and 750 are better is the same thing!!!!!!! the 750 is way out of the 6500 class but the 650 is almost topped by the 6500. we should start with some corrections B10 on the Duramax is 375k I can understand that they don't have a B50 for the 6500 because its a newer engine and no one has run it that long f650 us rated at 26 GVWR not 29K f650 is a de-rated 750 facts 650 has all the features that you would want in a MD over all the 650 can do about 1,000 lbs more than the 6500 once you figure in chassis and body weight. 650 has a very out dated cab, small screen, bench seat from the 60's and an old f150 dash. 6500 has the same cab as the 2019 2500, touch screen 7" with apple car play and fully adjustable seats for driver and others. 650 does have the fip hood but it weighs over 100 lbs with very small grips. I am 220 lbs., not a small guy and it took me two trys to open the hood where s the Chevy I did it with one hand. as far as service the Chevy still is easier to get to all the engine components because of the turning on another note you said your self: Ford F-650/f-750 hp/tq 270-330/675-725 Chevy 6500 hp/tq 350/700 more consistent power with the Chevy, also all the torque is steady at 700 between 1,600 and 2,600 rpm, I'm sure the ford can't do that

@@williamrheawe958 apple carplay or android auto is not a distraction, it hads good mapping and directions, anyone that has used it can tell you that it works far better than standard GPS!!! this saves owners money!! helps avoid traffic and finds fastest way point to point! also every system that i have seen that comes with this comes with bluetooth. last time i checked bluetooth was law in every state, driver saftey. how many chevy kodiak's or gmc topkick's do you see on the road?????? I don' t know about you but i see a lot and thats with CA forcing them off the road do to emission compliance laws. GM knows how to produce a MD truck and this will give ford a run for there money

Would u recommend buying a gm 6500 for towing 30k +

Wow! Low blow!

Couldent agree more! the navistar maxforce almost bankrupted them

It has a GM engine and trans, that's the important part of the truck.

@@TheHillbillyspecial Maxxforce was created by CAT and branded as International, the last few engines that International actually created were pretty good. DT466 and the 7.3 that the Excursion used.

Adam Genereaux what does any of that have to do with GM?

Kevin Williamson yeah all those ancient relics from 2018

At least, it looks a lot better than the new Silverado model. Lol

@@Sig721Tau agreed. The new Silverado looks ugly as hell.

These trucks have horrible ride quality, not even an air suspension seat. I dispise GM for not including a suspension seat. Definitely will consider other truck brands in the future.

The truck took his breath I guess

To much Soy!!!!

It's because this was a long veedeo....

Lol it bothers me

Its got a metal casing with plastic covering that

It's a work truck like you said lol. It's meant to be easy to find and use for employees that will drive it.

its also on the wrong side. most fuel stations that offer DEF, have it on the drivers side. Makes it really awkward to fill. unless your using jugs.

That's all you get on a semi truck is just a cap on an exposed tank. And even the big truck manufactures but it on the wrong side.

@@BlueDually4x4 Nope. Class 8 truck manufacturers all put the DEF tank on the driver side. This is the only truck I've ever seen with the DEF on the passenger side. And the only vehicle period - car, pickup, etc - with the DEF fill port on the opposite side from the fuel fill port.

To bad they fall apart when you look at it

JeepYJ91 what year did they use van cabs? I used to haul trailers with a 2006 Chevy c5500 for work.

@@aarons5259 2003-2009

JeepYJ91 I was looking for this comment and yes I agree

Van cab would look better. But my god...gmc van body and interior are absolutely low quality and plastic junk. I own a van at the moment. Omg. I can’t go three days without something falling off or apart. The basic driveline is reasonable. Stuff attached to driveline is junk.

Maybe lay off the coffee, and find yourself a girlfriend?

@@NeilEAnlin You seriously have some issues lol. How is someone that's just seen the truck for the first time supposed to know how to close the hood? Heck, it takes a minute to figure out where the lever is located on conventional hoods and stuff, every manufacturer and make has its own location.

@@NeilEAnlin Why did you delete your comment?

dedalliance1 because this sort of safety feature has existed for well over a decade. It's there so that the wind doesn't blow the hood down on you while you are working under it.

@@chrisconway6879 It's existed on big rig trucks yes, but not a whole lot on medium duty trucks because most of them in the 4500 -6500 class from Dodge and Ford and GM have conventional hoods. But my other comment was to a guy making fun of them for not knowing how to lower the hood when it was their first time looking at this new design.

GM got out of Med Duty, but has Navistar doing all of the frames, etc...drivetrains are GM.

I was thinking the same, but you would have to either weigh the shit out of it, or do some serious work to the suspension to soften it up. Stock, this truck would rattle your brain out your bottom on a wash board road lol

Mountain Man Jim obviously, no medium duty adventure rig is completely stock.

@@josephwhiskeybeale Just what I was going to say...Keep at least 500-800 pounds on at all times and you should be good. If you have to unload to take in for service, avoid the speed bumps and potholes at ALL costs...

Trust me you dont. I drive one at work and it will rattle your brains out on even mildly bumpy roads with or without a load

Nope. I was waiting too.

Yes, you did. It was the under vehicle shot where we took a look at the transfer case.

Nothing spectacular - just an old school 4WD system with manual locking hubs.

Killer2600, yes, I saw that, but he didn’t talk anything about it. Electric shift or manual? Who makes it? That’s what I was looking for.

@@racrx7 electric shift. Allison makes it.

Im gonna wait for the Ford gas 7.3

It took GM 10 years to center the steering wheel to the drivers seat. Give them time

I heard from a GM video that they put the def fluid on the passenger side because they were concerned that employees not used to driving a diesel truck will put diesel in the def fluid system. Most gas stations I've seen have long hoses on their pumps so you can simply pull it over the hood and fill up the def. I personally don't like doing that on my truck because it scratches the paint, however if it's just a dump truck for your company, who really cares.

They got it right on the Chevy Colorado. I fill only at truck stop pumps.

Fill every 10k miles. Smh

BEN DOVER hows your wife Eileen?

Yup just like all of the f650s,f750,all peterbuilts,kenworths,freightliners,mack, Westernstars,volvos,internationals,which other brands have I forgot? A simple mobile alarm with a hood pin and siren not so accessible solves a security issue

@@offroadriverfishing Autocar, Marmon and Oshkosh

BlueDually4x4 thank you, I knew I was forgetting some. Have a great weekend

@@offroadriverfishing Pretty much all class 7 trucks and above.

The GCWRs are similar(35k) but the pickups are 8500lbs max and these trucks are +10k lbs before up fitting, 15k lbs for some. Most people don't understand that a trucks towing capacity is based a lot of factors. When you add 100lbs to your pickup bed you lose 1500 lbs of towing capacity. Tongue weight is payload, so add payload and lose you lose on towing capacity. My 19 F350 lariat has 3050lbs of payload that translates to a 20350lb towing(15% tongue/hitch weight). Add me, wife and four kids and the their crap(950lbs), now its a 2100lb payload. Now I have a max tow rating of 14000lbs. It's illegal and unsafe to exceed either of the GAWRs(5990lb front, 7280LB rear) or the GVWR(11500). If you are involved in a collision and are found to be over any of the legal weights you also lose your insurance coverage. Love seeing the guys that have f250/2500s with airbags hauling triple axle toy haulers. Way, way outside the legal capacity on those trucks.

jnk26 thats explains a lot. 👍🏽👍🏽

@@guyconnell2250 Well if you want to tow 20k on a fifth wheel you need 4k payload capacity. Fifth wheel takes 20% tounge weight from the trailer. If you towing 16k then you need 3,200 payload. But like always keep your gear and occupants weight in mind also. That's why 2500 trucks aren't the greatest fifth wheel haulers. You need a 3500 if you want to haul the family as well.

@@jnk26 Add 950lbs of cargo and you lose 6k lbs of trailer capacity?? I'd like to see the field tests proving that theory......

jowest17 It's not a theory, and he just explained it. Tongue weight is payload, and tongue weight determines what the trailer can weigh since legal tongue weight is 15% of total trailer weight. Increasing the weight of the vehicle and its contents decreases the amount left over for additional payload (tongue weight). Less tongue weight equals a lot less trailer weight. Read more, learn more, suck less.

You can tow more with a 3500, these trucks are more for payload.

And there's the F-600

I’m sure they will. That’s all they ever do

Robert Richardson Ford is bringing back the F600 to the F-Series in 2021

Yeah ikr. Though I'm fairly sure the F650/750 sit a class above this Chevy. While for some reason Chevy's 5500 model apparently needs to be larger than say ram and fords equivalent models it seems that in every other metric it's the same. Afaik GM and Ram don't make 650/750 competitor models, generally leaving that up to the likes of Navistar, Isuzu, and Hino trucks

International’s version is Designated CV515 SFA 4x2

Ok

From someone that’s towing weekly with one… it stops worse than the ram and ford 5500 class, rides worse, turns worse, and all of them we’ve gotten are making some odd noises. They look kinda cool but that’s it.

JL L look like normal 19.5s to me

Thats because its a very large truck compared to a 2500

Billy Driggers the pumps I use are separate, I can fill both at the same time, from either side. Not all fueling stations are the same

That's GM for ya

So all semi trucks have the def on driver side? I doubt it.

Daniel Junior all the new ones do unless ordered different. The early semis did have them on the passenger and driver side because I think no one really knew where to put the tanks. IMO

Daniel Junior yes they do.

Cam Kenimer no body cares

JeepCherokeeful yeah I don’t know what the hell GM is doing. Cadillac is doing okay, and obviously the Corvette...but everything else is just complete trash and the design team needs to be fired. So glad I went with Ram because Chevy is absolutely shitting the bed on everything they touch

Cadillac is a joke these days, cant believe they are dumping the CTS nameplate. But the Camaro aint bad man, I just dont like the new front ends they made...

Jared Bouck absolutely, but somehow they don’t get it? Insane! Luckily I’m a Ford fan, but still. Their board of directors must be so incompetent.

HOONSTARS only GM would be so stupid to dump the Camaro a second time. And it wouldn’t surprise me.

True stuff everyone wants a corvette as for everything else I want a Silverado with a 8 SPEED MANUAL SUPER LOW GEARS with the inline diesel i will never see it

The Allison 1000 6 speed is a great transmission idk why it’s horrible to you.

@@charlesrodriguez7984 ; It’s notorious for over heating when under heavy loads. That’s why Chevy/GMC had their tow ratings significantly lower than Ford or RAM. What happens is people buy these 1000 series Allison transmissions and they think they can tow heavy and often because they see the other 2 brands doing it. Yes they will tow the weight, but it decreases the life of the transmission by a significant factor. That goes with any transmission that over heats. RAM’s Chrysler transmission is horrible too. People make the same mistake with the. They just aren’t built for it. But at least with RAM you could opt for the ASIN which is a beast. All that said, I believe Chevy/GMC started putting in the 2000 series now. That’s when we all saw their tow rating jump up to the level of the other big two brands. If I was buying a truck from the 1000 series years, my preference in order would be 1) ASIN , 2)TorqueShift, 3)Allison or Chrysler “not sure which one is worse. Current new models would be 1)ASIN/Allison 2000 “Not sure which is better”, 2)TorqueShift, 3)Chrysler.

@@survivalguyfyi5718 they use the 2000 in the new 5500 and 6500 HD truck now. Also I’ve heard that Allison fixed the overheating problem with the transmission.

@@charlesrodriguez7984 : Thanks for confirming that. Yes Sir. I would love a new one. I have a f350 Cab and Chassis. 2006 Powerstroke. Nothing but problems. Don’t know how much is due to those crappy years or the fact that what ever company owned it before me used gravity fed tanks with no filters. Only truck I could find at the time for the price I budgeted. Was not my preferred choice. 30 days after I bought it I lost all my fuel injectors, TCM, and Oil Cooler. Everything the fuel went through was destroyed. I know the Oil Cooler was due to fords differential metals in the Coolant system. My coolant is filtered now. At least with the 6.0 you have fixes. The 6.4s have issues with no way to fix them. To be honest, I’m not a fan of any of the new diesels with all the emissions junk they were forced to add. They’ve really turned them into expensive throwaway trucks because of the emissions stuff that goes out just out of Warrantee. EXPENSIVE!!! I’m eyeing Fords 7.3 gasser next. I never pull over 16k and it will do 17k-20k depending on your gears. Diesels run amazing until they don’t and there’s so much stuff that has to work in unison. I want simple and cheap. 80% of the time I’m not towing. Just have a welder and tools on my truck so I don’t mind the fuel loss. Anything’s better than my 6.0. Was getting 18.6 mpg and when all that stuff went out, I had a delete kit put in. Now I get 11 mpg. LOL. I lost on that one.

@@survivalguyfyi5718 though I’ve seen new technologies in the making that may make owning a diesel powered vehicle much less of a burden. Go to Dust runners automotive journal’s channel and look for the second or third newest video.

Me 2 when the warranty runs out

Ram would outdo it completely.

Brian Wilson no way, GM would never make such a mistake!

False. the frame is way way heavier duty than a dually frame. Not even close.

Eric Bishop ford s new f600 has more capacity than this. Oops, GM failed again!

Sorry, but that’s the honest truth. Too sad!

Well, if you live in certain places you can delete these and then it will be a beast.

dedalliance1 Any modifications to emissions systems which decrease their effectiveness are illegal everywhere in the US. It’s a federal law. It’s just without a state inspection scheme it’d be really unusual for you to be caught.

@@cjeam9199 Very true, but even in places with the smog tests, a lot of people just register their vehicles in another state and have the tags mailed to them. Which is kind of illegal in itself but people do it anyway. I live in Montana where there's no sales tax, and a lot of people register their very expensive sports cars here to avoid getting taxed on millions of dollars in their car collections, still illegal but often done.

@@WilliamStewart1 horse power and torque numbers are irrelevant transmission ratios are far more important to getting weight moving and then comes axle ratio you could take a 20 horse power tractor and gear it so low in the trans it could pull anything but slow

@@WilliamStewart1 270 HP Semi? I bet it has at least 1,000 foot pounds of torque or better though which is the real winner. And like Torque Monster said it's more about gearing, that's why semi's had 18 and 22 speeds back in the day because they did only have 250-350 hp and 1,000 foot pounds of torque so they needed every gear they could get to get to speed.

Hopefully the gas engines are more powerful than the 6.8 V10 in my 2015 F550 work truck. With the 18' box and equipment, it weighs around 17000lbs so it is pretty gutless. I know it's not meant to be a race truck, but I've had some big rigs with trailers walk away from my truck.

The 7.3 gas engine with a f550 might be a better option for you. I'm moving away from diesel myself and considering the 7.3 for my next one.

@@TheMEXICANBEEF same here, never thought I'd be excited about a new gas engine but the new 7.3 gas has me excited. I'll wait a year or two after they are released to work out any kinks but I think it'll make a good hay hauler.

@@TheMEXICANBEEF yeah 😎👍 thet 7.3 gasoline engine is badass a Ford would be great too

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 6.6 gasser make it's way into this truck. Most companies don't want to touch modern junk diesels with a 10 foot pole.

Jeez, I didn't know that!

Rams got the best deals around right now. I saw a 1500 Limited fully loaded for about $55k at my local dealer

@@DragonKnightX12 yeah but that's the limited edition, a base model 4500 or 5500 is roughly the same price, maybe a little more if you get it with stuff like 4x4, flatbed, and a tow package (which I think most come with it stock) plus you can carry more than the Silverado 6500 unless I misunderstood something in this video

@@Dunki113, it is every edition. Tradesman Slt Laramie and even limited. as long that you own farmland in Saskatchewan, you can get a apass card from the local RM office. you can even get a 10%off discount at Marks work warehouse

@@campbell0162 only if it is an Apass dealer. Crestview in regina it the best Apass dealer

Because you dislike the 5500HD? I am venturing a guess that your current vehicle is not in this class. Wtf does this thing have to do with your truck, or future purchases?

@@ShyaMiss They still have electrical issues. The new 1500 now only tows 11,000 lbs compared to previous years 14,000 lbs. They just seem to be going in the opposite direction while continuing to get more and more expensive. Fortunately, I have a few of the last models built in Indiana. The engine is still gold, but everything else has fallen apart. Compared to the Fords and Dodges I have in my fleet, the GMs have costed me so much more. My books don't lie. I see the quality difference on paper. It is a shame because I have always been a Chevy fan over the others. They always had better quality overall. They just keep making one poor decision after another and now they are in third. If you can't build the less expensive models well, I am certainly not going to roll the dice again on the big boys.

@@ShyaMiss Just look at that front bumper. It is crooked like every single Silverado I have in my fleet. Just tap something and their bumpers are toast. All of them rust too. Cheap low quality garbage.

@@dgreene4234 I've had really really good luck with both Ram and Ford. Even have a 2009 Ford F-150 with 726,000 miles with absolutely zero issues

@@robertrichardson9953 726,000! Awesome! Ford will be getting my business. Of the three, they have been most reliabled according to my accounting books. Also, the fact that the F150 is still the most American made truck goes a long way with me.

Exactly.

As does Ford and Ram.

Which is exactly what I would do if someone gave me a diesel ( I'm not buying this crap)..ram Ford gm any of them, when I did construction we had an 03 ram3500 5.9 common rail 5 spd 2wd what we pulled near 10klbs everyday and not once did we ever think it needed more power if I got a new truck i would put a normal turbo that's not pushing boost all the freaking time and detune to 600-650 torque,that's more than any intelligent man will need from a passenger pickup and will last alot longer

And has a smaller turbo to increase low-end torque.

@@Trident_Euclid a smaller turbo increases low end torque? So less air gives u more torque? Please explain ..

my company has owned nothing but international semi trucks and chevy trucks, and they've been far and away way more reliable than freight liner, and Ford or Dodge. We bought a Dodge 5500 a few years ago, due to Chevy not yet making a medium duty, and its been nothing but a giant POS. we had a front tire blow out, it damaged the door, and Dodge COULDNT FIND A REPLACEMENT DOOR. A FREAKING DOOR.

Yep. People will lift them, chip them put fancy wheels and mud tires and then haul groceries or a jet ski... then sell it cause they cant afford to maintain a diesel that they dont make money with.. Whatever makes people happy lol...

@@Herpaderpderpamufuka in all honesty all I would do to this truck is try to fit side exhaust stacks to give it more of the "beefy truck" look and to be clear I mean having the stacks on the side of the cab between the bed and the cab so that it won't get in the way of loading it, plus, use regular exhaust piping so that it'll have a more factory look than aftermarket look but that's all I would do to this truck I already like how this truck is with the flatbed, 4x4, tow package, and everything, if it didn't have DEF i would consider it a perfect truck for me but I guess you just gotta work with it, I know people will tell me to just take it off but in my area DOT is strict and usually do full inspections of the truck

no, would need a 12inch lift and mud tires for that

3500 may tow more, but the bigger trucks can have more payload. A 3500 won't be legally/safely able to handle 10,000lbs of payload like the 5500 can. It also goes off tongue weight. Figure 10-15% of the trailer weight is on the tongue, so the payload will be less on the 3500

Not safe to tow a lot on a 3500

From my understanding it would be best for a dump truck and sense it has bigger breaks and just a bigger heavier truck it can handle the load a lot better it has less horsepower and torque so that u won’t overload the engine

Some people dont do the elevation well. Even in boulder, they are over 4k feet

@@mountainmanjim6366 hes lived in Colorado a long time my dud hes used to it

You would think, but I meet people here all the time that their body just cannot adjust.

Mountain Man Jim At 4,000?! Where are they from, Atlantis? I can't feel elevation until at least 6500-7000, and I'm pretty sure I'm just a regular guy.

@@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney lol, I feel that. I didnt notice it until after I moved down to the coast and back. Some that grew up coastal or at least low level can experience effects similar to high altitude sickness just by ascending 1000ft too quickly. Others dont acclimate from going up and down all the time. I live at 10,000 feet now, but even when I drop down into Denver I'll catch myself wheezing and short on breath in Denver. These guys drive upto 10k and above trail riding and I imagine its likely the same. After talking to people around here. It is more common than most would think. Most people can acclimate quickly and never notice a difference while others can struggle for life

Arent the DEF inlets much more smaller than diesel nozzles?

An unloaded 5500 is sure to be a very rough ride

My diesel car has def in the trunk. It’s just the small dick, big truck guys whining. They’ve never even used def

The def nozzle is smaller and many have put def in their diesel tank and destroy the entire fuel system at minimum. Just nobody want to admit it. And when you buy a used duramax, you have some assurance that this hasn’t happened to that used vehicle

Keith Hannah The def nozzle is smaller and many have put def in their diesel tank and destroy the entire fuel system at minimum. Just nobody want to admit it. And when you buy a used duramax, you have some assurance that this hasn’t happened to that used vehicle

Aaron Bryant it’s not a semi. Pickup truck diesel guys fill up def at home. Not driving a million miles a year or getting def at every fuel stop

@@fredkuhn165 This isn't a pickup either, this is in between. I'd say at least 95% of these are in commercial use.

Tactickle Shtooper not gonna happen, they have absolutely no background in the commercial sector.

that's where the AC dumps. every GM Truck dumps the condensation there

@@Ericb1980 I guess the AC sucks in it considering he was sweating like crazy

why would you want to go above 75 in a work vehicle....

Eric Bishop cause the speed limit in tx is 85. If your not doing the limit your gonna get ran over. Plus I’m not a fan of taking 2 miles to pass a semi that’s doing 70

Sam Johnson you don’t have to watch it.

tflcrossover or tflsuv or tflwater would potentially be possible?

What all is different in each one to give them these towing abilities?

550 might not be medium duty. Generally that is 650+ class

How can they call 2500/3500 HD’s then

@@Thirty-OughtSick rear axle is full floater on gm hd. It's full floater on f250+ since 1991. Ford has much better axles

@@D4x4Bronc not even true. I've seen plenty of mid 2000 f250s and mid 90s with no full floater

until the transmission snaps in half

HA!