TGC - Ayatollah Marv - Origins of Compton Piru

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3 жыл бұрын

On this clip from TGC Ep: 78 "Genesis: The Birth of Bangin" w/ Melvin Farmer and Ayatollah Marv, Marv breaks down the origin of Compton Piru. To listen to this full episode visit rb.gy/vbfa3l
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@danswon
@danswon 3 жыл бұрын
14 murders at 14 y/o? That is beyond gangbanging - that's a prolific serial killer.
@ericsnow2069
@ericsnow2069 3 жыл бұрын
Yep dude was a cemetery director
@linwoodavenue4300
@linwoodavenue4300 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what he was accused of by the DA. Not necessarily accurate
@tl6752
@tl6752 3 жыл бұрын
@Jonathan B very naive statement
@melvinfarmer8609
@melvinfarmer8609 3 жыл бұрын
He was charged with it beat it
@melvinfarmer8609
@melvinfarmer8609 3 жыл бұрын
@Keyser Soze that after the 80s they were mis use the 70s nobody to tell us nothing it was joining in on your own and it only was one way to join in y'all can just say you that a Crip or blood and that's it then they tell you what to do my era you try to tell somebody what to do your ass getting killed Point blank they not taking orders from nobody
@morore3889
@morore3889 3 жыл бұрын
Ayatollah Marv first bit in 1959, that is some serious banging.
@OGGOAT23
@OGGOAT23 3 жыл бұрын
@Mozes Garvey must be 80
@realrighteoustv
@realrighteoustv 3 жыл бұрын
Marv just gave us like 1000 interviews in one. Straight to the point but clearly stated without the hearsay.
@dhud707
@dhud707 3 жыл бұрын
“Double Barrel Bob” is a cold handle. He gots to have stories wit a handle like that.
@NayanKeyz
@NayanKeyz 3 жыл бұрын
OGs giving up game, one of the best interviews period
@NayanKeyz
@NayanKeyz 3 жыл бұрын
Police been knew all this shit 50 years ago,ain’t nothing wrong with them educating the youth about how what they are apart of started. This is not the first time this information had been put out there,but these OGs kept it solid and are legit not dry snitching.
@postadaking634
@postadaking634 3 жыл бұрын
“I don’t know you, I Know Your Mama” OG spittin 💪🏿💪🏿 And that’s the Clearest story we got of the Ru’s beginning💪🏿💪🏿 The Pirus is the reason for the red rag...some respeCt must be put on their name
@WestSideTV-fv4nx
@WestSideTV-fv4nx 21 күн бұрын
SUWHOOP AND RED RAGS ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE LA BRIMS .. They’re the Original Blood Gang in Los Angeles County Pirus originated that burgundy Flag though
@russellroberts921
@russellroberts921 3 жыл бұрын
Great interview one of the best I've ever seen it was good to see Melvin farmer hope everyone listens closely to the interview and to catch the truth that these men put out there
@blkwarriorspirit5528
@blkwarriorspirit5528 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome interview Kings : Thanks for the information, education and history drop of your experiences. Peace and blessings kings keep up the good works ✊🏿
@asap7189
@asap7189 3 жыл бұрын
Mobb James just took over the show lol
@davinbrown2683
@davinbrown2683 3 жыл бұрын
Buddy snapped. Man I don't even know you , you was just a package deal🤣🤣🤣
@smokeyjones62
@smokeyjones62 2 жыл бұрын
Can't have a an interview about the formation of the Bloods without including the Brims
@westside8514
@westside8514 Жыл бұрын
FACTS
@jonusmadison438
@jonusmadison438 3 жыл бұрын
OG Marv never interrupted OG Melvin but OG Melvin kept butting in
@georgehudson5019
@georgehudson5019 3 жыл бұрын
Youngsters have no respect 🤦🤦🤦
@jonusmadison438
@jonusmadison438 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgehudson5019 what you mean
@bradmason8334
@bradmason8334 3 жыл бұрын
True, Marv was on to something then he lost track. Some good stuff from both of’em tho. He told his son, he came as a plus 1 😂😂😂. Glad they trying to make a difference, but as much work as they put into their rep, it’s now gonna take more to make a difference.
@melvinfarmer8609
@melvinfarmer8609 3 жыл бұрын
That's cuz I was the only one supposed to be in show I brought him on cause I don't like talking bout me and we have another project I had to make sure are position. So that's why It appeared like that. I had to get what was important. He'll be back yes I was only guest that's was scheduled that's why it look like that 😸 it had to be done I brought Marv in bc we have other projects we've been together 3 years.but this was only supposed to be me but I invited him. But I like how respectful you said that.that real shit salute but we do slot and don't get a dime.. hell be back
@jonusmadison438
@jonusmadison438 3 жыл бұрын
@@melvinfarmer8609 Appreciate your response OG, I wouldn't disrespect my elders OG. Peace and Blessings from Memphis TN🤝
@cornellmuhammad3912
@cornellmuhammad3912 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video 📼.
@momoneyace4195
@momoneyace4195 3 жыл бұрын
Bring some mo’ this is straight jewels 💎
@djvegas1477
@djvegas1477 3 жыл бұрын
☝🏾🎧This sh@t is getting real deep❗️
@mizzop
@mizzop 3 жыл бұрын
I love big Melv guys. Wow. And I'm in Botswana, southern Africa but his wisdom and charisma remind me of and uncle of mine or grandpa ALL THE WAY HERE. Wisdom is universal and I can feel it from everyone at the table
@louiet890
@louiet890 3 жыл бұрын
Need more stories on Puddin and Tam, seems like they were like Raymond and Tookie but were shooters 👀
@jermainecole1618
@jermainecole1618 3 жыл бұрын
According to O.G. Marv, King Babalouie was Raymond Washington
@melvinfarmer8609
@melvinfarmer8609 3 жыл бұрын
@@jermainecole1618 good point the gun olay didn't start til 1972 anyone that's was 18 basically got out way they couldn't afford to be around a juvy and they pulling trigger they get life young kids 6 months to 18
@kivabolton4448
@kivabolton4448 3 жыл бұрын
Piru Starting 5, OG Puddin, Tam , AC, LB, Lil Vince 🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓 Real Life Roosters, P Funkin At Its Finest 💯💪🏾
@LA25250
@LA25250 2 жыл бұрын
They were all shooters
@mattjamison2612
@mattjamison2612 2 жыл бұрын
@@kivabolton4448 Ru'staz! 💯😎👌🏾
@kemanm8519
@kemanm8519 2 жыл бұрын
The nicknames got me... hammerhead Sam. Peckerwood Willie. Gas tank hank 😆🤣😂
@Doepeshiomc
@Doepeshiomc 2 жыл бұрын
Love to see the OGs chop it up
@spudzMcKinzey88
@spudzMcKinzey88 3 жыл бұрын
There is nothing they can do to reverse the damage they have caused. They can only inform the youth of the realities of that lifestyle. #nohate
@melvinfarmer8609
@melvinfarmer8609 3 жыл бұрын
Factz
@carvellidavis4672
@carvellidavis4672 3 жыл бұрын
Great Interview! Peace 7
@thebigreezshow
@thebigreezshow 3 жыл бұрын
Man this is the best fucking podcast out on the west coast period
@greglewis1084
@greglewis1084 3 жыл бұрын
Great content
@swinston77
@swinston77 3 жыл бұрын
Google MELVIN FARMER JR. and you'll see why his son got 450 years.
@bigbaba4542
@bigbaba4542 2 жыл бұрын
wow it's even worse than i thought it was, when i read your post
@DanielReyes-zu8em
@DanielReyes-zu8em Жыл бұрын
I looked up his son. What a sick pos. Sexually assaulting and robbing a 90 year old woman. He deserves 450 years. F**k him and his father for trying to make him out to be a victim.
@tekarayoung199
@tekarayoung199 3 жыл бұрын
O.G. Marv is a well of knowledge with a Spring of knowledge.
@MrKingLx
@MrKingLx 3 жыл бұрын
@3 Stoogiez facts with a.c and ms.Cynthia nunn that’s going to fill in the missing links needed for outsiders to understand and geographically would be fire but see if marv can get in contact with kmv for a sit down
@frazierduran71
@frazierduran71 3 жыл бұрын
That’s why his son is doing 450 yrs
@mrfreeze5524
@mrfreeze5524 3 жыл бұрын
Brother Marv is dropping some serious jewels 💎 damn!!!
@corneliussmithgijoe702
@corneliussmithgijoe702 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful show .....Super dope .....If possible can you guys interview ICE-T , Brother lynch.Hung, Master-P
@MIKEJF20
@MIKEJF20 3 жыл бұрын
This how it should be. Mobb James the realest for putting this together
@2mk_official
@2mk_official 3 жыл бұрын
You guys aren't listening he was a Piru the term blood came later. This goes in line with what Babalouie said when talking about Compton
@kevinfarries5726
@kevinfarries5726 3 жыл бұрын
Not true. The term Blood is way older than people think. Its Youngblood or Blood for short. It just became a gang term when the Blood alliance started in California Between Piru, Brims, Black PStone (which startef in Chicago) and all the other smaller gangs that joined. Just like cuz is short for cousin. So the term Blood was already there, just not used as identity for the California based gang. ©2020
@AQUAPHREESH193
@AQUAPHREESH193 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinfarries5726 lol why the copyright tho 😂😂
@errintaylor3241
@errintaylor3241 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinfarries5726 my cuzzin is from 62 brims which it started in the 1960s before they was bloods 59 brims started in san Diego in the 1970s 62 brims slauson boyz gladiators before they join the black panthers
@kevinfarries5726
@kevinfarries5726 3 жыл бұрын
@@errintaylor3241 yeah the gang thing just evolves just as life does. Of course MY point is only that the terms blood and cuz were very old terms of endearment between blacks way before the California gangs decided to use them as identifiers along with colors and even hand gestures. Throw up the Brim. It means something else to someone else. ©2020
@errintaylor3241
@errintaylor3241 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinfarries5726 yup way back when slauson boyz and gladiators 62 brims reform taking on the white mobs after that they was fighting each other they had sling shots with real bullets bac then until they all join the black panthers which Raymond Washington join in after that he started Eastside Cribs Before The Crips Reform 1969
@patrickjoseph7773
@patrickjoseph7773 3 жыл бұрын
When he says ROOSTER he means RU ster...
@MyDrago45
@MyDrago45 3 жыл бұрын
Nah fr
@kivabolton4448
@kivabolton4448 3 жыл бұрын
Piru Starting 5...Puddin, Tam , LB, Lil Vince, AC💯💪🏾
@LA25250
@LA25250 2 жыл бұрын
No! All wrong remember A.c was a original Crip 1st
@acekapone1367
@acekapone1367 2 жыл бұрын
What about bartender and new york?
@LA25250
@LA25250 2 жыл бұрын
@@acekapone1367 not the original
@kivabolton4448
@kivabolton4448 2 жыл бұрын
@@acekapone1367 The Original Pirus Are From Piru Street On The Westside .. Bartender Is From The Eastside Lueders Park
@acekapone1367
@acekapone1367 2 жыл бұрын
@@kivabolton4448 I know that but he was still a bug dawg
@brianlove1179
@brianlove1179 Жыл бұрын
Salute big homie james
@frankperry569
@frankperry569 3 жыл бұрын
MAR IS MARVELOUS WITH The history !! THESE OG’ s was way serious !! THE OG’s was serious the 60s & 70s OG SERIOUS NOTHING TO PLAY WITH !! .. .
@onetwo6675
@onetwo6675 3 жыл бұрын
DOPE AF HOOD HISTORY POLITICS & A GANG OF GOOD SHIT
@underconstruction778
@underconstruction778 2 жыл бұрын
Y'all need to get some of them youngsters to sit in on these discussions. Just sit in and chill out/hang out to listen. Should be mandatory.
@td1391
@td1391 3 жыл бұрын
Luv da OGs when they giving out game and history.
@walkinsilentmtfr7976
@walkinsilentmtfr7976 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best interview from real OG's giving pure game ,use youths need to listen to these dudes frfr Salute to James Steele MC eighth 👌
@ridiculouslyarrogant8384
@ridiculouslyarrogant8384 3 жыл бұрын
Dang that last story is REAL aF!! Most living off the older ones history and rep. That’s crazy
@Lilballcstgg
@Lilballcstgg 3 жыл бұрын
We love you out here mob James in Lompoc ca that's on central coast nayborhood crip & we have 62 brims here 805 area code
@its_rick_james_bich2575
@its_rick_james_bich2575 3 жыл бұрын
“In fact I don’t know you, I know your mother. You came as a plus one”!!!!!
@kivabolton4448
@kivabolton4448 3 жыл бұрын
OG Still P Funkin 💯💪🏾
@dirtyreg22
@dirtyreg22 3 жыл бұрын
wouldnt you if you were apart of that life.
@justbeinreal247
@justbeinreal247 3 жыл бұрын
💯
@kivabolton4448
@kivabolton4448 3 жыл бұрын
P Funkin At Its Finest ...Piru Starting 5...OG Puddin, Tam , LB, AC, Lil Vince ..Real Damus💯 💪🏾
@hop878
@hop878 3 жыл бұрын
Love y'all intro... Kokane killed it wit his ad libs
@piroyungheat4107
@piroyungheat4107 3 жыл бұрын
💯42 facts.... DangerLee RIP unk Billy flowers
@marctaylor8398
@marctaylor8398 3 жыл бұрын
This right here made me pay! Thanks to you guys for putting out 💯 quick question I heard Mc eight told on someone in Chicago, how u have sitting around table if that’s true?
@marctaylor8398
@marctaylor8398 3 жыл бұрын
@@SCP-BACKUP that’s why I asked for clarification. It’s not upon me to do my research the onus is upon the one who has been called that to clarify and let’s not act like the one who said that about him ain’t 💯 bc he is
@marctaylor8398
@marctaylor8398 3 жыл бұрын
@@SCP-BACKUP say no more, I’m committed I’ll will become yard member thank you !
@rickstory8566
@rickstory8566 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Farmer or Marv was your grandpa.
@kivabolton4448
@kivabolton4448 3 жыл бұрын
Real Life SuWhoop Business 💯💪🏾💪🏾
@stevenlynch6605
@stevenlynch6605 3 жыл бұрын
This beat one so far.
@scaleshenry
@scaleshenry 3 жыл бұрын
Yo Ayatollah is a trip in a good way!
@shaquangreen8832
@shaquangreen8832 3 жыл бұрын
That’s amazing they named there gang from a tree shows how the founders where connected to nature
@jermainecole1618
@jermainecole1618 3 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily true..THE STREETS THEY WERE FROM WAS NAMED AFTER 🌳
@dramacidalforeal7049
@dramacidalforeal7049 2 жыл бұрын
No they named their gang from the streets in the neighborhood that was named after trees
@andyt4756
@andyt4756 3 жыл бұрын
Does elm street piru has any relationship with the varrio elm street ???
@austinoldfield5246
@austinoldfield5246 3 жыл бұрын
There two cliques that share the same street. It’s like grape street crips and varrio grapes. One is a predominantly black gang the other is predominantly Hispanic. But from the same place
@mattjamison2612
@mattjamison2612 2 жыл бұрын
OG Marv was in point.
@est.inthe80s
@est.inthe80s 3 жыл бұрын
I dont think none of these guys thought it would be what it is Today
@dwayneturner1426
@dwayneturner1426 3 жыл бұрын
Marc a fly nigga y’all need him
@justiceghoston8851
@justiceghoston8851 3 жыл бұрын
Damn bro this is history I wasted these 20 geez can sit down with the young dudes they can stop a lot of shit
@ccryptotrapper6128
@ccryptotrapper6128 2 жыл бұрын
Boot Hill is in the Farms. The Grandees was never Boot Hill. The Grandees are the first CC.
@squarebiz71
@squarebiz71 3 жыл бұрын
I think you should get time and a half for killing a black man whether you be a white cop or black. This gentleman know the names of all his r.I.p homies but can’t or won’t say the name of his victims whom I think he refers to as “catching a body”...even in our own eyes we are of no value. I don’t mean to criticize. This was just an observation👁
@donovanmarcus289
@donovanmarcus289 3 жыл бұрын
Because there is no statute of limitation of merder on the street. He got to live with that for the rest of his life.
@27noonehome
@27noonehome 3 жыл бұрын
Respect to the OG... but some of his facts and dates were off.
@harveythe1stsaghartfield143
@harveythe1stsaghartfield143 3 жыл бұрын
MY NIGGA MELVIN FARMER SKULL
@michaeljames5877
@michaeljames5877 3 жыл бұрын
Is Reggie out yet
@macarthurclutch2666
@macarthurclutch2666 3 жыл бұрын
Thats a whole fact when the brother said old blacks try to be 20.
@mayena
@mayena 3 жыл бұрын
6:49-7:41 Wattstax (20/8/1972).
@magicisofficialmagicisoffi2144
@magicisofficialmagicisoffi2144 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah... Uncle Marv and my Nigga Melvin Foreman... When y'all in Jersey again I got the Hoes on Deck and whoever else y'all bring ya heard... Da Homie OG Magic...
@ZachLee1
@ZachLee1 3 жыл бұрын
Free lil melvin
@ryanmarable2195
@ryanmarable2195 3 жыл бұрын
How the fuck did Billy Flowers CALL Puddin and Tam when he dead???
@nodayoff1000
@nodayoff1000 3 жыл бұрын
Now everybody doing the kevmac gang youtube shit 😒
@THEBAREBACCPODCAST
@THEBAREBACCPODCAST 3 жыл бұрын
Craig munson didn't fuck with bloods or raymond Washington munson was that guy but his brother was a crip and raymond was his lil homey
@kevinfarries5726
@kevinfarries5726 3 жыл бұрын
Now check this. How can you give advise to a child or adult on how to be a good citizen when you yourself by your own words was a bad citizen. His son told him right. Yeah he is a hypocrite! And i wouldn't involve him in anymore family business. But I figured a long time ago no one; ESPECIALLY the older or parent, wants to get called out for their bullshit and fuck ups. So his best response was his son didn't know him. Hell the mother did! And I bet she told him about his abscent fathers in and out of prison antics mixed with a bit of personal scorn. But his records prove for themselves. I'M telling y'all, there is no fool like an old fool. Tell these youth about the horrors of prison life or laying up in ICU clinging onto life by a thread because of a gunshot wound. ©2020
@mceithdavis3462
@mceithdavis3462 3 жыл бұрын
Time is not going no where that word fuck it still killing folks
@damuaskari2275
@damuaskari2275 3 жыл бұрын
Actually before TPC which came out in the early 1980s in the 70s they was Tapper Street Pirus. Cordon i hope i spelled it right was Piru aka Cordon MoB
@damuaskari2275
@damuaskari2275 3 жыл бұрын
Cordon that. Is
@latenitehour
@latenitehour 3 жыл бұрын
🤔I heard the OG’s from NBCC say TPCC was PIRU first🧐!!
@damuaskari2275
@damuaskari2275 3 жыл бұрын
@@latenitehour Tapper Street Piru
@latenitehour
@latenitehour 3 жыл бұрын
@@damuaskari2275 same thing🤔!!
@drexdae9200
@drexdae9200 3 жыл бұрын
West park piru occupied the tragniew section back then
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452 3 жыл бұрын
WHY DOES AC MOSES STORY SOUND DIFFERENT AND IT WAS VERIFIED BY BAREFOOT POOKIE WHI IS A OLDER CRIP THEN MELVIN FARMER IM SORRY BUT AC MOSES SOUNDS MORE REALISTIC JUST BECAUSE MARV IS OLDER THAN AC .I THINK KING AC MOSES IIS THE REAL ONE HE IS REALLY FROM PIRU STREET
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452 3 жыл бұрын
Only in age not when it comes to being a blood if it started in yts marv was not there
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452 3 жыл бұрын
Ok
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452 3 жыл бұрын
@God Damnit yup I can't argue wit true history
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452 3 жыл бұрын
@God Damnit wow thank you whoever u are respect I know your not lying because barefoot pookie was one of the youngest crips I think he started when he was 14 so he would be around skull age so tell me this do you know bigg mouse I was locked up with him in Nevada I'm from Vegas we did 20 years and got paroled in 2012 together rest in peace Roger anthens general
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452
@terrelstewartakaBIGGMITCH4452 3 жыл бұрын
@God Damnit Also why don't anyone talk about Santa Klaus from 20's he was a beast too
@jjcrockett7738
@jjcrockett7738 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder does mc eiht still have a 64
@dirtyreg22
@dirtyreg22 3 жыл бұрын
as cali as he is with no 64. no need to wonder.
@number3stunner118
@number3stunner118 3 жыл бұрын
Jeah!
@shubydubyproblackness2177
@shubydubyproblackness2177 3 жыл бұрын
Mobb took over because he's a G and Reggie was a cop.
@Knoitall718
@Knoitall718 2 жыл бұрын
If the son 20 how old the grandson? Piru riddle
@darnellratcliff1482
@darnellratcliff1482 3 жыл бұрын
Please Please Can we Get the Ballheaded Nut On Here.... For the Youth C-Bo (Cowboy)
@daGuwru
@daGuwru 3 жыл бұрын
Bring some Garden OGs with em
@AQUAPHREESH193
@AQUAPHREESH193 3 жыл бұрын
Lol C Bo don’t seem like the podcast type 😂😂😂
@darnellratcliff1482
@darnellratcliff1482 3 жыл бұрын
@@AQUAPHREESH193 Facts.. But his story is Legendary!
@deez9805
@deez9805 3 жыл бұрын
Crazy I thought crips was always blue’d up everywhere they went… now I know
@LA25250
@LA25250 2 жыл бұрын
Piru had a saying in the early'70's "Blue for the Ru" this was before colors
@dietrickcurrency8449
@dietrickcurrency8449 3 жыл бұрын
G 💩all day. Blessed to become an elder
@1993jarvis
@1993jarvis 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan Downs Watts, much Grape love from Memphis
@hapharris7318
@hapharris7318 3 жыл бұрын
Crazy how a lot of shit started over women
@emmettlewis2312
@emmettlewis2312 3 жыл бұрын
I think OG is off about on what year the Red and Blue came into effect. He saying 71 he way off.
@YNDog
@YNDog 3 жыл бұрын
14 body’s at 14 sad
@user-hb2vp7rm7s
@user-hb2vp7rm7s 3 жыл бұрын
MOB JAMES WAS TO INTIMIDATED TO DO THESE PODCAST WHEN THE BOOGIE MAN. WAS OUT...😝
@QueeNh90dsta
@QueeNh90dsta 3 жыл бұрын
Bounty hunters ain’t tripped on no Crips loc. Ask bounty hunter homies. They really ain’t beef wit no crip sets. How cuzz speakin on watts bounty hunterswhen they didn’t beef wit Crips cuzz.. tell cuzz to speak on Compton not watts. Bounty hunters is a strong hold in they city but they beef wit watts sets not Crips unless u talking bout the Jordan downs. They had a issue wit one or two sets in watts (Crips) the bounty hunters had love for Crips in my day y’all fueling unnecessary beef. Niccerson gardens and the Jordan downs was cool y’all fuel the slip ups.
@biig5
@biig5 3 жыл бұрын
Man his blood 🩸 history is not consistent with Original Compton Piru King Bobalouie. Who was a Crip when it first started
@nolimitracer
@nolimitracer 3 жыл бұрын
I’m interested how this goes when Babalouie hears this.
@tekarayoung199
@tekarayoung199 3 жыл бұрын
From different perspectives
@biig5
@biig5 3 жыл бұрын
King Bobalouie is considered the most accurate on blood and crip history so ain’t other perspective if it don’t coincide with his 😂
@biig5
@biig5 3 жыл бұрын
He said they started claiming red cause crips in LA called them Roosters sounds like Bullshit
@goldenw8st508
@goldenw8st508 3 жыл бұрын
@@biig5 the color banging didnt start until a lil later.
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