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1970s Kenya | Independent Kenya | Post colonial Kenya | Kenyan Politics | This Week | 1977

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ARE THERE LESSONS FOR THE WHITES IN RHODESIA FROM THE EXPERIENCE IN KENYA? IT IS FOURTEEN YEARS NOW SINCE KENYA ACHIEVED INDEPENDENCE AND MAJORITY RULE ND EVEN LONGER SINCE MAU-MAU KILLINGS OF WHITE SETTLERS MADE HEADLINES. SO HOW DID THE WHITE KENYANS COME TO TERMS WITH LIVING UNDER THE MAN CONVICTED OF ORGANISING THE MAU-MAU UPRISING? FEAR OF JOMO KENYATTA - AND OF LOSING THEIR WEALTH AND PRIVILEGE - DROVE THOUSANDS OF WHITES FROM KENYA AFTER INDEPENDENCE. BUT TODAY, THERE ARE STILL OVER 40,000 WHITES LIVING THERE, COMPARED TO THE 60,000 IN 1963. FEW ARE KENYAN CITIZENS, BUT EVEN SO, WHITES HAVE A STANDARD OF LIVING THAT FEW COULD HOPE TO ACHIEVE IN ENGLAND. AND ALTHOUGH DISPUTES OVER LAND-OWNERSHIP HAD BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND AFRICAN DEMANDS FOR INDEPENDENCE, WHITE FARMERS STILL OWN LARGE ESTATES AND ARE MOSTLY PROTECTED FROM FORCED SALES, ESPECIALLY IF THEY FARM EFFICIENTLY.
First shown: 29/09/1977
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@taucetus3657 Жыл бұрын

Jomo Kenyatta and his ministers was the pressure behind the push to retake white owned farmland, which Jomo Kenyatta kept for himself and his family. Today, the Kenyattas own hundreds and thousands acres of land most of which sits idle. This form of primitive accumulation started with the Kenyatta family and continues to this day, destroying Kenya for generations to come.

@rwenji22 Жыл бұрын

Did you understand the British Finance Land Transfer Scheme? It was a willing seller willing purchaser sort of thing. If Kenyatta didn’t buy the land he bought, someone else would have bought it. The government facilitated settlement schemes that were on loan. I think people have misunderstood Kenyatta and blamed him for a program the British government controlled and was negotiated prior to independence.

@kimanih6903 Жыл бұрын

@@rwenji22 why should you purchase your own land from a thief? For instance all the land east of ngong hills, north of the nairobi river upto ruiru going to the border with ukambani belonged to 5 clans. how did things like SOCFINAF, tigoni, westlands, northlands, mountain view, loresho, etc come to be? Those lands should belong to peope from the 5 clans who are now scattered across the rift valley.

@rwenji22 Жыл бұрын

@@kimanih6903 Land displacements are never reversible the world over. While I may not fully understand the reason, economic growth and lapse in time bring new dynamics that require new ways to deal with. Revisiting historical injustices may create new wars amongst ourselves. That’s why the Empire sold out to the willing buyer.

@danielmoriah5545 3 ай бұрын

@@rwenji22finally I've found someone that speaks truth as it is..

@ericmwash6183 8 ай бұрын

Kenya was so different from Rhodesia. Bruce Nightingale retired from farming 3 years ago with his farm still very successful. Kenya today is arguably one of the largest milk producers on the African continent as black and white farmers like Mr. Nightingale built up well bred stock with large dairy cooperatives and private dairy companies post independence.

@drphilgarner Жыл бұрын

Great time capsule, thanks for uploading

@raymondmainamugure204 Жыл бұрын

The Settler Transfer Fund(STF) was a world Bank Funded programme that was intended to assist the newly independent government of Kenya, to buy back(at a cheaper price) former British farms and use them to settle poor and landless natives. It was hijacked by the Kenyatta government-himself, his ministers and his top civil servants- who basically are the ones who got the very best land, due to their immense influence courtesy of the central system of governance that existed at the time. They ensured that they got the best, at the cheaper rates that were meant to assist poor Kenyans. Then they left the remainder of the land for "the rest". Anyone who tried to oppose this-like Bildad Kaggia and Oginga Odinga- were branded as Russian- funded Communist terrorists. Others like Joe Murumbi decided that the deception of politics was too much and just resigned.

@MSA3568 Жыл бұрын

Kenyatta was a thief. So was his whole family and the clans and politicians close to him. Truth has to be told.

@Heegooat 10 ай бұрын

tugeges never want to listen to the truth

@johndavis8669 7 ай бұрын

The coup attempt was really funded by the Soviets, East Germans and North Korea. They lost the bet.

@MrBabaziro 11 ай бұрын

Interesting time period. Young Kenyans should be aware of this part of history.

@yttube4319 Жыл бұрын

The commenters who provide some modern context provide a great deal of treasure to the rest of us who don't know these subtitles.

@bernardwanjohi7201 25 күн бұрын

2024 and the British citizens actually own most of the big ranches and farms in Kenya.

@davelowe1977 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant!

@andrewjones-productions Жыл бұрын

@ThamesTv (Fremantle): Did the description beneath the video really need to be in all capitals? Who exactly are you shouting at and why?

@jamesnjenga813 10 ай бұрын

It's interesting to see that the whites feared loosing their oppressive position if they thought of us as inferior why didn't they allow Africans to have the same education as them it just shows you that they knew what we were capable of and that we were superior in our own way we would have lived peace and shared what kenya had to offer bt not they left cause they couldn't stomach having an equal society

@likatalikata3823 9 ай бұрын

I only wish colonial history had struggled to put all races on equal footing right from the beginning. The outcome would have been so different.

@Nalia_ke 8 ай бұрын

Maybe u and the dumb kenyans are the one's who see that inferiority.. but not me.Put in mind that kenya is our land and other foreigners shouldn't make rules on how they should live/be treated in our country.

@TommyTCGT 3 ай бұрын

..oppressive.. bin there, lived there?... bet not.. we farmed in Kenya from 1939 till 1963

@jamesnjenga813 3 ай бұрын

@@TommyTCGT hope you had good times

@uleinfamous Жыл бұрын

Brilliant content!

@ericthongori1995 Жыл бұрын

So happy to see this about Kenya

@jairoombasa289 6 ай бұрын

Watching this in 2024 is fascinating 😂 The entitlement some of these white folks had was shocking.

@TommyTCGT 3 ай бұрын

rollocks. wot.. like paying, feeding, clothing, schooling farm employees on land paid for

@TheMrgoodmanners 3 ай бұрын

Sad thing abt these settlers is that they never quite industrialized kenya the way they did south Africa. Kenya was like a holiday resort to most of them. In some ways it worked in kenyans favor in other ways it quite didnt

@MM-dx1ir 3 ай бұрын

To some extent they did.

@simonh6371 2 ай бұрын

They did where resources were there - S. Africa, also the copper belt in Zambia. Perhaps there weren't as many resources in Kenya?

@Heegooat 2 ай бұрын

The Boers were in SA for over 200 years! The largest gold deposits in the world. Kenya was a safari haven, that's what built Nairobi. It lasted until 1979. Kenya gradually lost its appeal. I think Moi's government had something to do with it. Loss of confidence in the country.

@simonh6371 2 ай бұрын

@@Heegooat The Boers have been in SA since 1652.

@MSA3568 Жыл бұрын

The absolute truth was not told!

@githendurichard8321 8 ай бұрын

you are correct, but do you want that?

@thomasf.9869 Ай бұрын

If only the land issue was handled this way in Zimbabwe, the country would be in a much better place right now. It is not a perfect solution, but is better than the alternative, which was a complete economic meltdown.

@neuralyser Жыл бұрын

Nice to hear the correct pronunciation Keenya rather than the modern Kehnya. Pity the Rhodesian blacks didn't take on board some of the lessons from Kenya

@TheTororist Жыл бұрын

well they werent given the opportunity to govern themselves. like us kenyans, they chose war. ours was the 50s, theirs the 70s

@brayo144 7 ай бұрын

Kenyan blacks were able to learn lessons from the whites because there weren't enough of them to try and form a white minority govt after independence like Rhodesia and South Africa. Whites were mostly limited to commercial enterprises and kept off politics which is what saved them in the end.

@chelseafan4eva 6 ай бұрын

And yet both countries are incredibly poor. See, whether you follow the white man or not you're bound to poverty if you're African, because you're at the bottom of the global capitalist totem pole

@citizen1981 3 ай бұрын

'Keenya' isn't the correct pronunciation; even your phonetic spelling shows the single e is pronounced as 'eh'

@neuralyser 3 ай бұрын

@@citizen1981 like I said EH is the more modern pronunciation, EE, Keenyah was the way that everyone pronounced it up until somewhere around 40 years ago

@danmufcwwe1 Жыл бұрын

So interesting, thanks

@jansharp314 2 ай бұрын

Props to the old boy at the end who actually became a citizen, putting his citizenship where his mouth is.

@TrueBrit1 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, thanks.

@cegesl4521 Жыл бұрын

Nightingale’s in Nakuru have done well an acre was going for ksh 40 in 1962 and in 2023 the same land is going for ksh 6,000,000 land is a generation wealthy

@johnnyb4269 Жыл бұрын

But you’re not factoring in insane inflation

@Spillers72 4 ай бұрын

Seems like Kenya's switch to black rule was much better than in Rodesia and South Africa. At least more peaceful anyway.

@mosesodhis365 Жыл бұрын

The Kenyan Indians sort of "inherited" the whites stucture in Kenya

@eldios831 10 ай бұрын

You would think but it's not the case...they are smart they know how lay low like envelopes...A case example get into a small accident or work related alteration with an Indian...they don't like many stories and quickly settle because they never want to arouse the various taxes they evade😂😂😂😂😂

@Nalia_ke 8 ай бұрын

How?!.. there still here

@Jim-ok9zi Жыл бұрын

I wonder how things are today in Kenya. How’s the economy.

@MrJohnkb Жыл бұрын

Kenya is smashing it, in my opinion in 5-10 years the country will be one of the powerhouses of Africa. Meanwhile South Africa is going from bad to worse

@cegesl4521 Жыл бұрын

Life is very good and very westernised with alot of UN and intnational organisations and still growing

@Jim-ok9zi Жыл бұрын

@pm Thanks for your reply.

@mutuuramwangi1913 Жыл бұрын

White owned farms enabled Kenya to be self sufficient in food production. The cost of food was low and affordable for everyone. The farms were then subdivided after being taken over and turned into uneconomical plots in the hands of illiterate peasants with no knowledge of modern food production processes. Today as a result of that tragic policy, Kenya has become a net food importer, the cost of food is unaffordable to the same peasants who took over the farms, the farms lie idle as the owners migrate to the towns in search of jobs. What the Africans really needed was jobs, but they demanded and were gifted lands that they could not properly utilize. Kenya will regret the decision for ages to come.

@leosaura1993 Жыл бұрын

Ever sins independence Kenya have been a very stable country and the only that managed to keep caos dictatorship kommunism blood shade away. Nairobi is booming a evidence of growing Kenya economy and Chinese investment keep coming in.

@chrisamoi8663 11 ай бұрын

Woow.

@luna39900 2 ай бұрын

It is home to you nolonger😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

@propagandatwo Жыл бұрын

The Great White Retreat. Isn't it great?

@YorickReturns Жыл бұрын

@NOWHERE PEOPLE Far right supports Russia and Dugin's Eurasianist project. Stunning and brave.

@YorickReturns Жыл бұрын

@NOWHERE PEOPLE Pan-Africanism and European/American far right and Russia stand together now!

@davelowe1977 Жыл бұрын

@@YorickReturns You must be about 12. What is your definition of far-right?

@MrJohnkb Жыл бұрын

@@YorickReturns I'm a British born mixed race man with Zimbabwean heritage and I'm proud call my self right wing. Not everyone is a cut and clear example of a political narrative or identity. Everyone is different and you'd do well to ever that I'm pro Russia tho for sure

@YorickReturns Жыл бұрын

@@MrJohnkb If you're pro Russia, then you're for the brutal attempted genocide by Russia of the Ukrainian people, all in accordance with the racist Dugin plan. Never again can the far right claim to be defending white people.