My toxic trait as an artist is to see somebody else draw something and have complete understanding of the drawing process while watching them do it and then I go off and try to do the same thing without reference just off the dome and when I can't do it I think I'm a bad artist. Looking at a picture for reference isn't cheating and it improves your art immensely.

"Surely, limiting an artist's creativity is the only wrong way to draw dinosaurs." UNFATHOMABLY BASED

If you want to be pedantic, a lot of cave paintings are depictions of prehistoric animals, which to me will always be one of the coolest things ever

Note/correction Tyrannosaurus is not an avian dinosaur, it is nonavian (bird or avian explicitly refers to actual crown birds, with beaks, wings, no tails and what have you). However, it is a theropod, the group to which birds belong, and part of the same clade, Coelurosauria. A few have stretched the definition to include very birdlike dinosaurs, namely raptors or archaeopteryx, but this is not favoured by most workers.

As a paleoartist, this was a great video about the subject and the many wonderful and exciting ways we can enjoy prehistory. A few anatomical and pronunciation errors aside, I think what you've done is a great window into the topic. I appreciate the research and understanding put into this video. Cheers! 🦖🦕

We have found Tyrannosaurus rex scales- yes, and the fossils themselves are brown in color, but thats probably because of the mineralization process. In reality the color either is not preserved or there havent been any studies on potential color evidence for those scales. So for now the color of Tyrannosaurus rex is up for debate. Also note that many birds have feathers in between scales, so its good to not rule out feathers on trex- although the extent of those feathers was probbaly limited given the size of the animal and the temperature of where it lived! Another thing is that those scales are extremely tiny (i believe 1-2 mm in diameter), so their skin would really just look like hide or bare skin until you got really close to see the scales!

I’d argue Jurassic World conveys the fantasy category you described rather than the Jurassic Park trilogy, which is more of a hybrid between the two like dinotopia. The idea that Jurassic Park didn’t care about accuracy is a myth. For the time, almost all of the dinosaurs were solid-perfect reconstructions of what we knew about them. There’s only a few exceptions (Dilophosaurus, velociraptor, pteranodon and Ceratosaurus in JP3). Versus Jurassic World which does not care and it’s explicitly said as such in the first JW film.

As a mega nerd myself, the issue for most of us isn’t that JP is inaccurate, it’s that people can’t separate fact from fiction. Dinosaur media is dinosaur media, and we LOVE dinosaurs! Of course we at the very least enjoy watching those films! The issue is, a lot of people out there take those films as fact, and throw near temper tantrums over the fact the animals are suddenly not scary because our understanding of them changed. All in all though, excellent video, really awesome to see the attention on one of my biggest interests, and I’ll leave the corrections to the already existing comments ;)

10:02 I thought of the skeleton known as Sue immediately, I loved seeing her as a kid and still have a plush of her somewhere

Palaeontology student here, Tyrannosaurus is not an avian dinosaur (bird). It may be within the clade Coelurosauria, which includes all theropod dinosaurs more closely related to birds than to Carnosauria, but it is not within Aves, thus it is still a non-avian dinosaur. Edit: Also, there are several flaws with the accurate Tyrannosaurus drawing itself, as pointed out by other comments (head is too small, tail too short, issues with the hands, and more, etc). Edit 2: Normally, I don't bother correcting palaeo inaccuracies in yt videos, but I have a lot of respect for Subjectively and them sporting these errors while claiming to be accurate disappointed me greatly and I would like them to do better. Also, I'll maybe answer some of the questions in the replies to this comment eventually, I am very busy.

Actually the definitive CORRECT way to draw dinosaurs is with crayons on lined paper at age 6

I just want to point out that Jack makes the "sauropod-plesiosaur crocodile" thinking he made a dinosaur inspired fantasy creature In reality he unintentionally made a very stylized depiction of tanystropheus, a Prolacertiform from the Mid Triassic.

Paleoartist here! Excellent video! There are some mistakes here and there (T. rex is a non-avian dinosaur, we don't know it's skin color and your anatomy could use some work) but at large you did a great job at presenting and diving into the topic. Paleoart is such a fun, engaging and interesting topic, and I think you did it justice here! And yes, I'd LOVE to contribute to your assignment! :D

Sauropods wading through water and eating seaweed are still my favorite pieces of paleo art. I don't care if they're inaccurate, they're awesome.

Really cool video, a pleasant surprise to see paleoart talked about. One correction thouh - dinosaurs like the trex couldn't bend their wrists downward in the way you reconstructed them. This iconic hand pose is sadly only possible if their wrists are broken.

When I’m drawing paleo art my favorite way to think about it is by taking the most opposed sides of the most controversial debates of any subject and paint both. Cry and seethe at my fully marine Spinosaurus hanging out with my 100% terrestrial, allergic to water, desert dwelling Spinosaurus.

LOVING the cold open about the crystal palace dinosaurs. My mum grew up in Sydenham like 5 minutes away and told me that those statues are hollow on the inside and my uncle used to hide in them with his friends to smoke weed instead of going to school

Ok, the Accurate T. Rex has some issues that kinda go beyond the "Science Marching on" point. The head's too small, the neck is too S-curved, the arms are semi-pronated, the fingers are the same length, the body is too compact and "Squashed", and Tail's too short. While EXTREMELY well drawn, it kinda reaches like an uncanny valley of accurate dinosaurs if I'm making any sense. it walks that fine line of looking accurate at first glance, but the more you look at it, the smaller inaccuracies add up, making the design ironically inaccurate

Maybe a drawing month or challenge for the "Mayzosoic" mezosoic or the Dinovember

Jurassic Park dinosaurs were an overlap of science and fantasy, since they were actually pretty accurate with the knowledge of the time. They did research when making them

WHEN ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE ART CHANNELS STARTS DISCUSSING ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE ART TOPICS

The bone wars also caused a taxononic nightmare as you would expect from a pissing context were two dudes named a new species for every bone they found to try and one-up each other

7:55 And there is the memetic Spinofaarus! Now, on a more serious note, scientific paleoartists not only translate the newest most scientifically correct design to the public, but some of them also help scientists to visualise how a certain hypothesis might be the right one, as it makes more sense. Spinofaarus checks now of these boxes, it's just a beloved meme.

As a paleoartist I always appreciate when someone from the outside tries to tackle this subject, for all the influence our profession has, the mechanisms and people behind it are rarely in the spotlight. Thank you! Personally I would not include the fantasy category in here, paleoart can inform creature design in fantasy but I don't count it among it. Paleoart doesn't need to be bound to realism, be educational or has to go without storytelling, but most of us these days agree that it's bound to the fossils. ;) But I will not start a big discussion here, way too many words have already been spend on that topic.

This made me remember the anime Dinosaur King where the dinosaurs were companions like pokemon that battle looking like mostly realistic dinosaurs. Outside of battle they became really cute chibi versions the protags could get away just walking around with. Really liked seeing the respective styles of each dinosaur (spino was my fav). Enjoyed your art and breakdowns, and your discussion of DeFoe and Gurney, big fans of them.

I draw all my dinosaurs with feathers. All of them. Every single one. Feathers are fuckin rad

Hey jack! Great video so far, just wanna say, T. rex is not an avian dinosaur, its a non-avian dinosaur. Avian dinosaurs are actually a very deriaved group, its members of Avialae that are Avian. I get that its confusing given that a lot of the other groups i clude Aves in them, but its Avialae and down, which T. rex is not a part of. I believe the cobfusion arose because of Averostra. Edit: I also want to say i delivered on my "urmm actually 🤓☝️" promise

This video gave me a warm smile that lead to tears. Loving all 3 styles, and loving dinosaurs and all animals deeply, it was also an exploration of why we love these beings that impacted us. This video showed me a soul that longs to understand dinosaurs deeply, and still isnt ashamed to draw two friendly duck bills having a family lake day. Its a nostalgic look into our own pasts, into an optimism of learning more in the future. Beautiful video, Jack. I can never praise your channel enough to my friends.

16:51 we only have a couple of skin impressions from T. rex as far as I’m aware but that color pallet is plausible based on the habitat they were living in! It’s also possible that it had a coat of feathers similar to the coat of fur you have on your arms or that elephants have on their back (the fur on your arms actually helps sweat evaporate making the human cooling system even more efficient!)

Wait, Danielle DuFault of animalogic? I knew she was an artist but I had no idea of her paleoart credentials.

I’ve always had a soft spot for old-school paleoart of seal-like icthyosaurs. I just think they’re neat.

As a child, who always wanted to be a Paleontologist from the moment I could pronounce that word, and also as an artist, paleo art (and wildlife art as a whole) has always been one of my favorite things! Some of the first books my parents got me - and which were technically way beyond my reading level, but I was OBSESSED - were scientific almanachs of prehistoric animals and endangered species and I LOVED the intricate art in those! Edit: Love the trilobite armor on your fantasy warrior lady! Such a cool detail! Also, in terms of maybe cartoo/scientific overlap, I can wholeheartedly recommend the channel Dead Sound (here on youtube) and his "Dinosauria" series! He even made amazing making-of videos of each episode! And the very same artist has another series, "Sauria", which would also fit in the cartoon/fantasy or fantasy/scientific overlap - perhaps even the exact middle.

I personally prefer to draw my dinosaurs more accurately but I also draw Jurassic Park style dinosaurs too as both are fun to draw , I always appreciate the art of the past simply to show how we’ve grown in our knowledge of these amazing animals

Your colour scheme on the “accurate” rex give strong WWD vibes, also, your reference to tyrannosaurus being reddish brown might come from borealopelta, which has an amazing fossil which preserved many interesting things, such as keratin and melanosomes, allowing us to see what it’s colour would have been.

"at the end of each of these videos, i'll have a little "homework" all of you to do" me: **huge happy smile** :D))

I like how he tried to make a totally unique fantasy creature thats mishmash of a sauropod a crocodile and a plesiosaur and ended up accendentally inventing an oversized tanystropheus

Charm + Science= Best style

Hearing you mention Daniel made my animalogic heart race, this is such a wonderful video

While I love all the commenters sharing their knowledge and find them doing so in a remarkably respectful way for a KZfaq comment section, I think the fact that Jack is not a professional at this and makes mistakes in his "scientific design" actually adds to the video! After all, it's those types of perceptions and mistakes that have changed in our understanding and led to a lot of the very change in our dinosaur perception he was describing.

As a museum educator, I really love this video so much! A lot of paleonerds obviously left a lot of comments (yay for your engagement, I guess?), but I'll go ahead and give you some commentary on your educational style. 1) Your tone is lovely throughout this video. You are incredibly encouraging and thoughtful with what you say. You are clearly putting a lot of thought into your subject matter. 2) I love the fact that you're "doing the assignment" along with the audience, and your homework at the end is great. Maybe consider having it written out on one of your ending screens? 3) I'm not sure if your future videos like this will have quite so much historical basis, but please consider citing your sources! Even though a lot of people are correcting you on your dino knowledge (which unfortunately is bound to happen -- even I have people correcting me and I work at a museum), you clearly did your research, so show your work. 4) I'm not sure if your future videos will also be tied to natural history or existing animals, but it may be useful for you to have a disclaimer. I have been a Subjectively fan for a long time so I know this is an art channel, but I wouldn't be surprised if some viewers completely missed that. Overall, I think this is a beautifully done presentation about paleoart. You really capture the wonder and philosophy of why we draw and create dinosaurs. Please do more videos like this ♥️

Fossil fighters not mentioned.. sadge…

I think ultimately a lot of people who have stances on dinosaur art tend to have the bad habit of being rude and toxic and ultimately the real answer is to be passionate with sharing what you enjoy about dinosaurs. I love dinosaurs and the science, but when I share that info with people I always talk about how cool they were and what not rather than calling other people dumb for things they liked about dinosaurs etc.

Tyrannosaurus is not an avian species do to not being a close relative of the group that birds are in ( miniraptora if that’s how you spell it) which includes most things we call raptors. Tyrannosaurus is in the family tyranosauradia ( don’t know how you spell it but that’s my best guess)

I like how the realistic rex has similar patterns to the Walking with Dinosaurs design, as it had nice colors (despite looking kinda bad) edit: People really do need to stop applying heavy science and realism to every dinosaur design they see. Don't get me wrong, realistic paleoart is probably my favorite way to interpret dinosaurs, but I really just want more high quality dinosaur designs in media. Just do more than copying a Jurassic Park design and I'll probably like it at the very least.

You mentioned so many artists shows and movies to make a paleo nerd swoon. Would love for you to talk about Dinosaur King because… Dinosaur King.

ITS DINOSAURIN TIME BROS

This was very comprehensive of the different subgenres of paleo art! It was also a trip down memory lane. I remember having that how dinosaurs say goodnight book and dinosaur train was one of my favorite shows when I was little.

Paleo Art is such a fascinating topic, as a Dinosaur (Avian or not) fan, this is spectacular to see James Gurney! ^^

I was a few days ago in a museum of zoology and geology in Kyiv! It was so cool to see again old fossils and new added ones, end especially seeing not updated 100 y.o. illustrations of dinosaurs 😭 at least they were beatiful ngl, especially with animals that were enxtinct not so long time ago

Your fantasy dinosaur honestly looks like the strange child of a Tigrex from Monster Hunter and a Tanystropheus. I like it!

I love that you added in my favorite game Path of titans to represent different skin colors/designs using a clip of their allosaurus and ceratosaurus

Armored women, sea monsters, and dinosaurs. Truly, a man after my own heart.

ohhh, I´m excited for this new series, i love the concept!

I've only just started this video, but, it feels very "different" from the videos I previously watched on this channel. Hearing him say, "we're going to look at this and analyse that and then..." it's kind of sapping the excitement I came in with? How do I explain the vibes I'm getting right now... "At the end I'll have a little 'homework' for you :) ." Ah, that's it! *Schoolwork.* This style feels like a _curricular lecture._

"SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE DIAGRAM" shows picture of spinosaurus, the most controversial dinosaur ever.

My toxic trait is that im too fucking autistic to draw anything that isnt a skrungly..

I mean a T Rex could also have been yellow with tiger stripes. Tigers are predetors that live in lush jungles ^^ Imagine how cool a brightly striped T rex would look like..

Cheers to all my friends out there who never lost their love for dinosaurs and giant monsters from when they were just little kids

There are 2 wolves in me, contemporary paleo accuracy and the nostalgic desire to see a purple Tyrannosaurus and call back to Megatron in Beastwars

CM Koseman is also the father of speculative evolution, a science-based artistic movement that focuses on the hypothetical evolutionary paths of certain species. Koseman made several illustrations on human speculative evolution. Given your interests in cosmic horror, this could be right up your alley Jack 👀

The odds of this showing up just as I've figured out a dinosaur-related project. It's definitely in the cartoon/fantasy categories, being inspired heavily by things like Beast Wars. The main protagonist is a Deinonychus!

I really enjoyed the video. A few side notes/tidbits of info: James Gurney and some other artists will often make models of varying levels of detail to serve as a reference for lighting, especially. It's a great tactic! Paleort "genres": In the past few years, some online communities have taken to referring to the art with high fidelity to scientific models and evidence as "Paleoart" while referring to the fantasy/cartoon images as "paleoimagery" as a kind of distinction. I don't see it as a manifestation of snootiness (at least I don't intend for it to be), but rather a framework within which I can appreciate each type of art for what it is attempting to achieve. It's also helpful when I'm trying to ascertain what someone's goal is if they ask for a critique; if they're striving for paleoart, then anatomy, posture, likely behaviors (dicey, to be sure) and possibly known integument is going to be a major focus. Someone presenting paleoimagery, on the other hand, might be looking for feedback on elements of composition, color, value, etc. There is, of course, overlap here, too.

charles r knights paleoart is so strikingly beautiful regardless of how inaccurate the animals look today also yeah pretty sure avian dinosaur literally just means a bird love the art drawn here. theyre consecutively beautiful, cool and cute. the third one makes me so happy its so adorable

Amazing video, series and concept! Love all the dinos - gaunt and scary, chonky and fluffy, gimme gimme. Not gonna do my homework, but I am very excited for everyone else's works.

"Most people even slightly educated in paleontology would be offended if I called it a 'dinosaur' however those critics have no power over me here. My Seafaring Warrior Woman stands beside her Monstrous Mount; Some Hybrid of a sauropod, a plesiosaur, and a prehistoric crocodile. Anatomy, behaviors, colors, laws of physics, these petty restraints shatter and fall to my feet, and I am free." - Subjectively, 2024

Two of my favorite things coming together in one video. That's the best birthday gift ever!!

You are my absolutely favorite art KZfaq channel. Your points about both art AND dinosaurs brings me to tears with how happy it makes me. I have never seen someone put so much love into art before. I hope I'll be a tenth as amazing as you guys

As someone who wants to work with paleo art, i never found a video that explained it very well, and i'm so so glad you made this video

i really love this video so far

I like to draw not-quite-scientific-not-quite-fantasy dinos, just enjoying their time, vibing with eachother while having pretty patterns, being chubbier than would be realistic and being fluffy as anything.

I'm currently working on a dinosaur-themed set of tarot cards. I think my style falls somewhere in the middle of your diagram. I reference research and more professional paleo artists' artwork for general shape and posture, but then I give them fantastical bright colors and lots of fluffy feathers - probably too many feathers in a lot of cases -, and my general art style is quite cartoony, especially in the faces, which tend to be more expressive than they probably were in life. I sometimes doubt if there's any real worth in my artwork because I will learn something new and realize that some element of my artwork is now incorrect, but I think it's also interesting to view this art project as a journey of learning to better understand animals, anatomy, and art alike.

Omg C.M. Kosemen! I love him so much!!! So glad he's showcased here! Ah Dinotopia! Never read it but I loved the art! Omg! How do dinosaurs series was my childhood! This video keeps getting better and better!

I'd love to see you participate in Dinovember this year! That or creating a new paleoart themed enigmorph would be great as well. Either one would be fantastic to see.

I LOVE PALEOART !!!!!!!!!!!

Primal has such a good interpretation of dinos with how they portrayed fang. Absolutely incredible.

OMG YOU MENTIONED DANIELLE I love her! She also hosts the KZfaq show Animalogic, and she does a sketch of the animal being featured at the end.

Personally I don't mind dinosaurs being in fantasy settings stretching or misrepresenting features. Most people wont mistake Dinotopia or Primal for 100% factually correct. Why I personally take issue with Jurassic Park is that its portrayed less like fantasy and more like its accurate. JP has done so much damage to the public knowledge of dinosaurs because of that. Even more so since the newer movies continue the trend

8:10 never thought I’d see the KZfaq show animalogic referenced in a subjectively video, worlds collide! Danielle is an outstanding artist

I graduated from art school last year, and this felt like being back in anatomy class in the BEST way. Please keep this series going!!

I really like how you designed your dinosaurs.

21:37 this reminds me of a literary genre mostly coined by Gabriel García Marquez, a latin-american writter. They describe his style as "magical realism", for the detail and daily life feeling he described supernatural ocurrences. For intance, on his most famous book, 100 years of solitude (amazing book by the way), one of the (many, many) characters gets killed by someone unknown in their own house. Blood started dripping from the hole the gunshot left, and started to trail on the floor in a straight line. The blood took a very precise path on the floor, going under the door to the street, making turns left and right, until reaching the house of his mother (it might as been his mother in law, I can't remember exactly). On a different chapter, a girl who is described as the most beautiful of them all, while hanging clothes to dry, a gust of wind wrapes her on the bedsheets she was hanging and make her float with the wind into the sky, and just disappears to never be seen again. And he doesn't explain anything, these things just happen, as if it was natural, as if it was a part of the world they live in, without any wizard or demon or spirit involved, making them happen. It's magic enveloped in their daily life, or their daily life enveloped in magic.

It's kind of fun that your fantasy mix-match of dinosaurs and crocodiles ended up looking like a real prehistoric animal, a Tanystropheus, or a fantasy version of it. ...Also, Tyrannosaurus is a NON avian dinosaurs. Avian dinosaurs are only birds, the "traditional" dinosaurs are non avian.

I have no problem with intentional inaccurate paleoart. I have a problem when said inaccurate art tries to pass itself off as accurate.

I love that decided to make such a well thought out essay on this point. I see often that people look at subject matter (especially dinosaurs) as having one "correct" way to visually depict them.

paleopines is a great game for the cartoon fantasy genre

10:51 Avian dinosaurs are actually birds, while extinct dinosaurs are non-avian.

Knight is such a fantastic contribution to both the science and the craft. He really brought them to life

This video is informative, creative, and gives a nice broad perspective. The music picks really help add to it. It makes me feel inspired and sparkly. Thank you.

I really want to know how to draw in the style of the rear example in your thumbnail. I love that more stylized look.

Dinosaurs. DinoSAURS! DINOSAURS!!!

This reminds me of all the spec projects I've seen that show just how much this animals have impacted us! I just got started with mine this year and men its been fun!

This is the type of content I really enjoy seeing from this channel. Glad to see you branch beyond the Mazah region!

Edit: it looks like several commenters have already made this point, sorry. I am just over ten minutes in and although the information is mostly excellent so far, I feel the need to point out that tyrannosaurs are definitely NOT considered "avian dinosaurs". Yes, tyrannosaurs and birds both fall under the Avetheropoda classification but that is VERY high up on the coelurosaur family tree and true avians do not appear on that family tree until well after the split between the ancestors of both groups. It's like saying a giraffe is a type of whale since they're both artiodactyls. I know this video is meant to be oversimplified for lay viewing, but to imply that tyrannosaurs are just big birds is misinformation.

Great video! My main take away is that not most but too many paleo-enthusiasts hyper focused on up-to-date scientific accuracy and really let themselves become snarky assholes which becomes unproductive. A lot of paleontologists actually like media such as the Jurassic series and Primal. Paleontologists want media such as the Jurassic franchise and Primal to succeed as they are a gateway for people of all ages to get interested into prehistoric animals. That interest in prehistoric animals can lead to them wanting to know more. I think people already pointed out that Tyrannosaurus rex is not part of avian dinosaurs. I will also say, there is some subtlety missing here interms of outdated depictions of dinosaurs. I don't blame you as I imagine you're more passive into paleontology than I am. (I don't speak for all paleoenthusiasts, this is just from my perspective)Basically, you say in the video that people will "point and laugh"(I don't know if you say this just for comedic effect) at outdated depicitons of dinosaurs, while some people might do this, I think a majority of paleoenthusiasts understand that people in the past were not dumb because their dinosaurs looked like giant lizards, but because its the past and they didn't have the same scientific advancements and fossil discoveries we have today. As for the first Jurassic Park movie, the "Velociraptor" were actually pretty up to scientific understanding at the time. The only "issues" for the film were they were based on Deinonychus but changed the name because they thought Velociraptor sounded cooler and Deinonychus was about 2.9ft tall from the hips but in the movie, they made the raptors about 6ft tall(Which was funny because Utahraptor, a roughly 6ft tall raptor was discovered during the making of the film). The main problem comes with Jurassic World in which they go against the first movie that actually helped revolutionize the public perception of dinosaurs from slow moving dumb lizards to fast intelligent reptiles. With Jurassic World, they decided to not continue the trend of trying to follow modern scientific accuracy with creative liberties.

With this video, I may still have hope for this guy to tackle the genre of Kaiju Art

I love new Subjectively experiments! I know it might not be sustainable, but I'd love to see more longshots.

Okidoke lads and lassies. Favorite dinos

OMG yess this really help me on my paleo art

waited 15 minutes for the cm koseman namedrop, genuinely impressed

I think this might take the cake as my new favorite video of yours. I always love Mermay, Smaugust, and so many others, but this one just hit different. Pure excellence the whole way through.