that's a good idea

it's time to cook zombies

maybe make furniture better as a barricade like the only thing that can block a window is a book shelf and you have such a small chance to pick it up by the time you can you have better alternatives

thank you@@sqike001ton

Maybe they could be balanced by having a noise mechanic. Too many zombies and they start making too much noise and draw in even more. Forces you to clear them out before they get too full

Stop teaching me new things....

I've seen this issue. Perhaps it's done to reduce lag in s early multiplayer version

The goat!

Keep enlightening us Zomboid scientist man, I love your work

I feel like people's experiences are being screwed by some weird mods tbh, i find sticks and stones _everywhere_ in the grass on both in sp and mp? and yea 95% of the time i play with 0 mods. There might be some correlation between these things?

Nah, the devs will just attempt to shush everyone, ignore the problem, blame it on community, or tell everyone they will fix it and do nothing and everyone forgets about ir

@@wodekw6862this just isnt true though. The zomboid devs have listened to us A LOT hell look at build 45’s current stuff its basically stuff fans want

The devs are doing what they want not the other way around. Look at the crafting system, it was already a convoluted hateful mess and they're making it 10 times worse with all the stupid work benches and tools. Nobody asked for a sharpness system which is also, like the new crafting system, more micromanagement ending in being just a way to slow the pace down even more.

For real. I’ve called em’ out for years now on this garbage, and only get coping dismissals by people like MrAtomicDuck. I’m just glad to finally get some validation from the community.

Definitely, people should stop treating as if TIS is some sort of a saint of a second coming or something, as if they’re the best game devs out there on the planet just because they’re categorised as indie and to them, anything other than the AAA devs has to be the good guy. Which is a dumb af of a mentality, they would know how TIS devs act toward criticisms had they surfed their forum a bit more, you would see then it’s just nothing but a wall text pile of excuses and the good ol’ “why this is justified and why you should believe it is” rather than acknowledging their fkery of a game, they tried to dodge it and make excuses for it. Retanaru knows best, he even got one of those devs come in his video and commented that wall text of excuses 😂

Yeah I always do 1000x XP gain in my server settings. I love how easily the characters get injured and die, but I hate grinding stats

At least DST is still getting constant updates, meanwhile PZ has MULTIPLE times in the history that get no update for years.

yeah DST is definitely getting a lot more love from KLEI compared to indie stone. Even Don't Starve got all those DLCs.. quite frankly it's a lot of content that sometimes feel a bit hard to keep up with.. and KLEI even has Oxygen Not Included which is still getting a ton of content all the time together with a DLC as well.... I don't know if the team sizes and their resources are comparable, but if they were, then KLEI is definitely exposing the laziness of Indie Stone@@windflier1684

@@windflier1684 DST still gets updates??

​@@ender_3807 Yes, I think there was a pretty big update 2-3 days ago.

@@ender_3807 It literally just drop a major update 2 days after my comment, so yeah...

They can't say it can't be done when independent modders crank things out, which means it's entirely an internal autism thing where it has to be so and so just right to some image they have. Or they simply aren't doing {insert thing} like they say they are.

what are your goto mods? ive mostly played vanilla and enjoyed it but i just started playing w mods and i can see the appeal

@@scooterking136i wanna know this too i dont even play the game yet but i think i’ll need good mods to like it

Gute Ideen, vor allem der Biogenerator. Frohes Stolzjahr

I kind of agree except for solar panel unless you made it level 10 in 93 civilian solar wasn't super common and super expensive but automation would be great live most garages had remoted operated door why not allow people to dissemble garage door and make automated gates (which is all ready a mod) or like you said bio diesel for long term fuel source

@@sqike001ton I thought more of salvaging existing panels. Would work in the setting

@@sqike001ton maybe we would be able to find solar panels in the world and then you would need electrical skill leveled to set up them in your base

​@@Armetar Yep. Even if its military grade loot as it wasnt that common for civilians like 'Spike' wrote earlier. Wouldnt be the worst item to work with 😂

yea but this has always been the scope/vision for the last 13 years. They aren't growing the scope past what they've already been working towards this entire time. I think the time to worry about that was like 10 years ago lol

The ore deposits is DUMB and completely out of left field nowhere

They're only for "forest only" mode.@@MadAtMax.300Blackout

@@thebagelar3859 It's time to get the game functional and stable, wouldn't you say? Any feature additions are moot if the game handles so poorly we can't properly play it together.

@@MadAtMax.300Blackout The ore deposits is an addition for a custom WILDERNESS ONLY map that they're going to add; They're making sure it is Possible to be able to start from literally nothing and still be able to progress through the crafting system. You won't be finding random ore deposits in or around muldraugh and the rest of the existing map. There will be other methods of getting metal, ie, smelting down scrap metal.

>A lot of the metallurgy crap won't even really be in the game except in special (medieval?) maps. In particular wilderness-only maps, which i will admit i'm *definitely* planning on messing with on release, especially with less mod jank involved :V

I agree. Plus build 42 takes like forever to come lmao. Now we have to wait even longer. PZ is only fun at the start of the game. Once I have everything, then there’s nothing left to do lmao.

Honestly, while i'm not really feeling NPCs for the most part, yeah more Meta Events would be nice. There's like... three, and only one is significant really (chopper) :V

They showed it off in a later Thursdoid.

I think it's a weird case of most zomboid players (possibly) being minecraft vets (again, speculation). As Mojang started pumping out updates on a set development schedule, half-assed changes became more and more prevalent (villager trading is super OP, Caves and Cliffs had to be split in 3 updates [Wild Update included] instead of the two they promissed and so on) and people look at it as the "gold standard" of sandbox games. So people, in reaction to those half-assed updates released on a schedule, have a kneejerk reaction and would rather have the complete opposite (it's gonna be out when its out). The issue is that none of those approaches are essentially good (or bad, mind you) and that, at the end of the day, it's what is done that matters. Prioritizing things is also a huge problem and, knowing multiple programmers, it can be difficult at times to prioritize things between what they want (lets call that artistic vision), what they feel is needed for the game's health (usually boring backend stuff that players won't care about unless performances are attrocious) and what players want. While there can be some overlap, there are also issues there. It may be a bit of a fence-sitting take, but if they only addressed the community concerns in terms of balance and performances, I think players would still be upset there are no new guns/locations/etc. I 100% support that those issues need to be addressed and that the "small team" excuse is getting thin however. It's not like a lone dev over their head in a overambitious project where there is promise and people keep up with it because the project shows promise and the dev is really open about development and the lack of resources, it's a fairly large team with some experiences devs (they mentioned some guy from Mojang actually) joining the team that should be able to work things out far easier than (no offense) junior devs.

I wonder if they had a mess of code and are having to redo portions of the game to allow for basements, larger buildings, and stable npcs.

From a devblog a while ago Then kindly put the game down and go elsewhere until it releases and do everyone including yourself a favour. If you expect a huge expansion dlc sized dev cycle to take six months of dev time from any developer, you'll likely have as miserable time here as we will have you complaining. I get the frustration and anticipation for waiting for something I've been there myself so I empathise. But the idea that a year or even a year and a half is unreasonable for the huge amount of expansive features this update will bring is extremely frustrating. This isn't a few bug fixes, its large systemic changes and additions to the core game, you say you get things take time to code but clearly not if you've looked at what we're adding to the game and find the time it's taken completely unreasonable. Especially factoring in we've already stated numerous times a serious illness and hospital stay within the team early on delayed the remaining part of the update that is yet to be completed, yet even if that hadn't happened I'd be perfectly comfortable and happy with the teams progress given what is being created here and feel the team's done a fantastic job of catching up. We're not gonna crunch the team to nervous breakdown to rush some broken crap out the door, cause then everyone will be mad about that and I'm almost certain you'd be first in line. But not only that we'll also prob start bleeding staff with all the code knowledge as they leave due to the miserable stressful and unhealthy work environment that creates, and good luck getting meaningful quality or sizable updates ever again then, as we have a team unfamiliar with the dark recesses of the code. [5:57 PM] Code that becomes a house of cards no one dares make significant changes or improvements to. It's a story as old as time. At end of the day we take as long as we take to release a good product and maintain a healthy happy team and considering our biggest success came after years of maintaining this dev cycle are not planning to change it because of your complaint. We'll release when its ready, and people will be thanking us for taking our time and releasing a quality update. Then we'll ride that positivity until posts like this start emerging again for b43. We'll suffer it, not gladly, but suffer it nonetheless as its better for the game, the community and our team whether people like yourself at this point in the update dev cycle appreciate it or not. There are other games and if you're unhappy or bored of b41, forget zomboid exists for a while until you hear a news story that the beta or next stable build has released. Zomboid may be early access but its still sold as a complete product bought as is at point of purchase, and priced for what its worth as it stands. We could have already 1.0ed it and moved onto a new game years ago, or 1.0ed it and sold anything we've done since as DLC at $20 a pop. You're being provided substantial bonus free extra content we're not asking for any money for whatsoever, and it'll take as long as it takes. If this is somehow a bad deal for you then I'd suggest you look for a better one elsewhere. I get you paid money and feel entitled to complain, and that is your right. But considering you have the testicular fortitude to throw the same complaint towards pre-steam Dwarf Fortress which was completely free doesn't fill me with confidence you'll see my perspective though. -lemmy101

I don't really see how my comment comes across as entitled in any way. I did stop playing Zomboid a year ago, and I stopped for 4 years after I bought it originally, as you suggest. I'm pointing out an issue with the development cycle, as well as the growing issue of gaslighting people who point out this issue, as you have. I don't feel like I'm owed anything, I'm just slowly losing interest in the game, as are many others presumably.

Same bro... same.

As a consistent foraging user, I completely agree with this, prehaps they could’ve made it to the “???” Zones have a basic loot table to them or something? Better than just making the area unviable outright.

As far as my experience has been, you can only get a few types of berries in the winter. During the other months, foraging at high levels (probably about 7+) can net you some crazy foods, from dead animals to entire fruit trees! If you dedicated entire in-game weeks to foraging green areas, you might be able to slowly gain weight. However, the egregious calorie use while walking (don't know why they upped it so much) might make that nearly impossible.@@user-zw6rq9pp7p

Big agree, I'm a hardcore foraging fan, especially since the system was overhauled (it was incredibly boring before).

Agreed. Foraging = good

you can find weapons consistently?

NPCs are the only thing I want to see added really too. Specifically MP usable NPCs. Then for me the games complete save for any modding the community does. Im worried that once NPCs are released it will only be SP which would just put me in the overall dumps about the whole game lol

"I'm no game developer, but let me tell you my thoughts on what it's like to develop games"

@@Saplingbat I'm not a game developer, no, but that doesn't mean that I don't know anything about developing games. It also doesn't mean I've not tried developing my own games in the past. I know how long it takes and I know how difficult it can be. I've owned this game since around 2013 or 2014, I originally bought it on desura lol. It was quite an obsession for me up until shortly after build 41's MP update dropped. I think, having followed the game's development for around ten years, I'm entitled to criticize the game developers for frankly not changing the game all that much over those said ten years.

@@Teoras Especially when modders seem to be able to make workable content with no budget.

@@spbakerchezbakethis exactly! it's confusing

Yesss, the multiplayer is sooo bad, its unplayable via steam friends

This game is already good as it is. Unbalanced like almost every game but at least it seems like they're trying. I used to watch this game in 2014 and these last builds really improved the experience!

Saying the game feels “unfinished” is such a joke. Yeah it meeds work but man, you put 3k hours into it stfu about it being an “unfinished” game lmao. Of course after 3k it gets boring and mew stuff will solve that, but don’t need to be an hypocrite about it

​@@scientistmyself 🤦🤦🤦 Not the brightest, are you? Totally missed his point. He's not being hypocritical, he's sharing an opinion that is backed up by reason, logic, and evidence, things you seem to be unfamiliar with. You must be one of those fanatical cult members I've heard about 🤔 Or maybe you just completely missed the point 🤷

@@scientistmyself 3k hours with 450 mods and a couple i made for myself that fixed zombie spawns bro don’t be so condescending

I think project zomboid is full game at this point and anything they add is extra nice.

@@rerun3283 Honestly yeah, i'd treat it as more of a Full Game. It's not exactly in-depth and extensive though, when it comes to lategame

It's 20 dollars! And most people payed half of that. Games don't seem to be measured by time played, but they should be at least a bit. 300+ hours for 20 dollars is a steal. I do understand what you're saying though. I just want more!!!!!

@@snakeneedscheeks >300+ hours for 20 dollars is a steal. Definitely a bit more than that, here :V

I already have more than 100hrs, and I have had the game for a bit more than a month now

Turning on and off or refueling a generator requires no skill book. Only "connecting" a generator to a building requires a skill book. Can you connect a real generator to a house power grid?

@@lockeseven7 don't portable generators have instructions printed directly on them

Did they have those instructions in the 1970's?

I think the skillbook makes sense for generators. But some of the other ones don't make much sense.

Do not ever attempt to connect a genny to a house by yourself. Call an electrician. My step dad is an experienced handyman, but even he called the electricians to set it up. It is dangerous work.

Completely agree, at least make the unimplemented zones give loot so that living in areas around these zones are viable

It's coming. There's a million and one features that need work and only so much can be done at once. Be patient.

@@poafpoaf9837 They had two YEARS to do that. With a full team.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@itsamine4840 So, B42 is set to drop in another two years, making it a grand total of four. 😂 These wanks just casually dropped in a "be patient, they're doing their best" like it’ll magically justify TIS's management clausterfk of a mess. Classic gamer myth of: indie devs are inherently the good guys, and triple-A devs are the supposed bad guys. Classic simplistic view by the naive sheltered lifestyles, where reality aligns with Hollywood’s potrayal of black and white. Like a Hollywood script, where everything's either pitch-black or pure white, not even a spectrum. They seems to genuinely believed, if group A is bad, then group B *MUST'VE* been the literal polar opposite; the good guys, right? all thanks to ESG and CEI scores fed by Hollywood’s wisdom.

@@itsamine4840 And I'm sure they're working on it, probably already finished work on it. But the problem is that they don't release updates regularly, they take a while and then release massive updates.

Speaking of sticks, they need more uses too. Like comeon, why can't we use them to make maple smoked trout?

Rimworld is exactly the same, kind of shit without some really basic QOL mods.

At least they allow modding, I suppose. Some of my other survival sim games don't and their games are buggy shit fests with low QoL. The only reason I keep coming back to them is that the survival game genre where you play as an animal doesn't have much options for me to choose from.

>the fact they admitted the game will never be finished says all you need to know about the developers. Depends on what you *define* as finished, honestly. Do you mean a 1.0 Release? Or it just not having a planned End Point where they cut support? Minecraft "Finished" in 2011, but i'm willing to bet you'd feel it's a half-baked midpoint compared to today in quite a few aspects :V Finished, but not "Finished".

@@higueraft571 go argue semantics with someone else

@@DevDog98 says all we need to know about you then :V

@@higueraft571 you know exactly what i and everyone else means by a "finished game" you are willfully misinterpreting what is being said which says everything i need to know about you. run along now lil bro

@@DevDog98 >ou know exactly what i and everyone else means by a "finished game" So which definition of one are you hoping it is? The "We're never going to add critical features and milk you forever!!!" or "We're gonna keep adding to the game for the forseeable future"? >you are willfully misinterpreting what is being said And you've taken ONE sentence, to back up the idea that they're the Antichrist, i guess. >run along now lil bro So why are you even on a PZ video if you dont like the game or the devs anyways? Or are you kinda just bitching into the void? :V Of course, GEE context on where you pulled that quote from anyways would be nice, but that'd defeat your point...

Good comment, but I think you're being unnecessarily harsh with the comment about bug fixes. Unless you can prove to me ego is the driving reason, I think it's more likely that they simply don't want to poach modder work or hire on more modders just to implement a fix. A fix that still needs to be extensively tested with the game's spaghetti source code before it can be fully implemented. Even then, B41's been frozen for ages now so the devs can focus all effort on B42, and the thing about B42 is that one of the major features they're advertising is (to the best of my understanding) a massive shift from server-side checks to client side checks which should bring with it a whole host of fixes. I mean come on man, you said yourself they're not fixing the old features because new ones will render them obsolete, it's not a stretch to apply the same logic to the game's known bugs

300+ mods, most of them QoL, then one of them updates, suddenly your friends having issues joining due to one of their mods is not sync properly and can't join the server. The amount of times we had to troubleshoot server compatibility was headache inducing.

I mean pz only had less than 1K players for most of its lifetime, this was their chance and if they don’t act the indie stone is gonna lose the playerbase from the B41 KZfaqr boost as well

Not only that but ho cares about level 10 electrical? The mindset of grinding something pointless is like getting that 100% of achievements or whatever. Or loot boxes with only "cosmetics". I loved Pizza Tower and S ranked some levels. But really even attempting 100% the game turns into a grind and can ruin the fun. If I'm stuck wasting time on a Steamdeck or whatever in the future and feel to play the game? Sure I'm going to enjoy the challenge not part of finishing the game. Meanwhile I 100% and did stupid amounts of hours in NFS Most Wanted 2005 having beaten it countless amount of times on many consoles, school laptops and gaming computers. Grinding out the perfect rewards and built multiple saves with the best upgrades and tuning of different cars for MY enjoyment. Not some skill needed just to hotwire cars do I care to even consider getting to lvl 10! I love NFS Most Wanted 2005 and it is a flaw game. Yet after years and many consoles and computers it is still so fun and no mods needed. Even keyboard or with a racing wheel it is fun to play the races and the cops. Now all manual driving and trying to avoid cheesing to much when free roaming. Trying to get off and on the throttle like driving it for real and match RPM's etc. Even on keyboard spamming the gearshift into neutral or dropping rapid gears up and down to manage the RPM and lower the car noise in the chase. Actively slowing down when it makes sense to even in races. It makes zero difference for the wins or losses but MY enjoyment making a car game fun even on just a laptop keyboard. It is a wonderful game for what it is! And most of it comes down to gear shifting and the sounds and action in NEED for SPEED. When not able to keep up with the handling of the gearbox and brakes the car slams into something but the engine do not blow up or the car brakes from the impact. But it still is fun to try and play as if it dose and pushed to the point of not being able to keep up. But I know that at my disposal I got so many tricks and cheats up my sleeve yet make sure to avoid braking the fun of the game for ME. Like everyone playing a game should strive for. Sideways and unreal grip at a klick of a button! So much fun! So many games "you reading this" can make more fun by actively avoiding trying to turn into a stealth archer. But Skyrim and Loadfield/Fallout is a bad example of good mechanics and game design. Still just deciding to OR accepting the bullshit and making the best of it is the way to go. And mod. Mocking the game being dumb has some fun in it too. Console and cheats being the last resort! If the game dare to screw me outright then I'm sure going to cheat and say bye bye to some achievement that means nothing! As much as making my life harder to make the game more fun! Even Minecraft is fun to play vanilla when stuck on a controller let alone a phone screen! The challenge of combat is massive when not having a mouse and keyboard to play the game with. But that is just serious time wasting when Minecraft is out on the table as a option. Or car seat whatever. It is bad, real bad time waste when modern Minecraft is played. But really hotwire cars should take lvl 3 or something. The hole XP and skill system can be reworked since it has flaws. Like even in 2023 you can not really ask some ape on the internet how to hotwire a car and not have the basic skills to something with that information. Let alone gain the knowledge of how every car brand and security system works and is wired. The game is set in 1993? Sure it is easier to hotwire a car but like dam. Even with a video tutorial you are not ending up finding a perfect video explaining it for your use case. How in the world in 1993 would you figure out how to hotwire by taking apart digital arm watches? Or TV's! NO! It takes far more then lvl 1. It takes trail and error on each set of car type most likely. The more valuable the car the harder it should be to hotwire. A car full of tools like a work van should be difficult to steal vs a dam granny wagon. But even I can not bother with the awful system and things in the game right now and so grind watches for the XP needed to hotwire and being done with it. Since getting to even LVL 3 electrical is just not fun right now. And stamina or fitness skills grind is pointless as I toughen up the zombies for m enjoyment etc etc. I can not care to buff myself! If the system worked better I might have tried to gain skills and made it even more challenging. But it is basically just roleplaying that makes me truly bother with the grind of fitness and such. LVL 8 is a fantasy number in PZ. It is ridicules to even talk about LVL 10 skills outside of carpentry.

@@TheDiner50 damn bro that’s crazy such wow

@@SordidusFellatio double wow lol

@@TheDiner50no one is gonna read your college essay bro

@@hjbskates But you sure read it enough to comment, or do big words hurt your brain, and you just want quick stupid engagement only? :V

Put your exp gain to 200 percent

and earn all of xp in 3 days,

@@POLSKI_SZPADEL not in all traits some are still hard to level up

i got project zomboid a few years ago and loved it for a good year and a half. Until i stopped dying and realised how limited and surface level the game truly is, all i see in project zomboid is an unfinished game with huge wasted potential and its sad.

You can fight just fine without Nimble, but an extra 20% movement speed while in combat stance is honestly massive in terms of combat capability

I think people racing to get to a certain point has ruined this game not the devs. It's a sim game, be immersed....

​@@nerfherder4284Having to disassemble hundreds of pieces of furniture to figure put how to put a series of planks in an upright position is not immersion

It's a survival sandbox game. If you need an overarching goal given to you, I would recommend looking into other game genres.

And medicine would absolutely matter more, and probably be fine enough "as is" - if injuries just took longer to heal from, and in a functional multiplayer setup. No treatment of wound should equate to days of poor performance as a person, while good treatment should fix most right up. For this game, at least.

You proved the point he made at the very start of the video lol. Don’t agree with him so you just shame him and call him names. That in fact make you the one who is being dramatic. Nice try though.

I still find it useful for moving stoves at level three but beyond that there’s not much beyond that. Yes you can replace electrical switch’s on lamps with battery powered ones at level five but it’s not as useful as you think.

The included mod manager/tools are a complete joke tbh.

Hahahaha yeah I have a list of games like this. For example Space Engineers, in 10-20 years is going to be beyond epic

Admittedly, they DO have a point as far as "lack of endgame" goes, since once you've got a nice home, are self-sustaining, and so on, you dont have TOO much to do... You could grind skills, but that'd take ages, and what then? Maybe clear out all the zombies? Even larger huge loot pile maybe?

>with forage off you see plants, logs, sticks, twigs, berry bushes, etc already on the ground but you cant interact with it and its so anoying. Honestly, Foraging is INCREDIBLY nice... Actually kind of a huge upgrade from the old system, with all the shit you can find there, though i do wish the basic resources (sticks and rocks) were more common, especially if you're gonna make tools and weapons out of them Also note while said tiles arent 100% i believe, they pretty typically have that specific resource on them, so rocks are more prone to giving stone, logs/sticks wood, etc

Glad to see another CDDA fan here! PZ is a great game but I keep going back to CDDA because of the sheer depth and detail present.

Cataclysm 👌

yes, but you can get an abundance of useless electronic scrap fairly quickly

Also, it puts the work on to the community to bug fix and work out what combination of updates (mods) will work together - so again, WTF are TIS actually doing for the game?

Even better. I started playing PZ completely Vanilla and constantly felt like... this is it? Why can't I open a can with a knife? Why can't I rip up underwear? Why does a metal shelf (with 3 racks on it) only hold 50 items, thats the same as the floor but its should hold more than that. Then when you finally get into mods, you find out about stuff that you suddenly realize isn't vanilla and now you can't go back