Totally agree! I cannot explain how furious I felt about this moment

YES! I remember arguing endlessly with my friends in our early 20s about why this was so wrong!

She was angry for her not offering like she felt that Charlotte is not as generous as Sam and miranda so Charlotte reassured her and let go her unhealthily obsession with the ring

@@salmaokavor5610 she had a right to that ring! She does not owe her friend, who is bad a finances, that money.

It was totally unhinged! I was so pissed

Right? She literally let the artist make a huge painting of her hoohah for that artist's gallery event!

So what why would she work he’s loaded.

​@@katemiller7874because she loved her job and it was important to her. ❤

I love my job too but if I could afford to quit I would. Especially once I have kids. You can love your job and still prefer not to work.

Just the thought of leaving my job to be completely financially dependent on someone else, gives me anxiety

Samantha is who I've always aspired to be!

@@bronwynbrinMiranda was pretty awesome too!

Samantha was hands down my absolute favorite. Followed by Smith!

I still have learned soooo much from their mistakes!!! Ohhh this characters!!! I can't get enough

Yas queen 🙌🏼

She COULDN'T afford $40k on shoes... She had CC debt.

Not so long ago a popular columnist could make $100k per year, so her income wasn’t that far fetched. But those days are gone.

Well, I have several points on that topic and how it's fully plausible. 1) She bought the shoes over the course of probably at least a decade, not all in one year or something. 2) She negotiated Vogue into paying her $4.50 a word for the articles she wrote for them, presumably about 500 words once a month. That's a $2000 paycheck from Vogue each month. Now, she did take the Vogue job after the apartment-buying fiasco revealed that she really needed to increase her income if she wanted to continue her lifestyle. But we can extrapolate from that what she might have been making from her column for the New York Star, which probably ran weekly. It seems like she actually was making a pretty good income from her column, probably at least $8000 a month (not entirely unlikely for a popular column in a major newspaper back then). 3) She had pretty low other expenses. Her rent was an absolute steal since it was rent-controlled. When she does briefly look at other apartments because she can't afford to buy her own, it's shown that the current market rate for apartments smaller and worse than hers is MUCH higher than her current rent. And of course she had no children, no chronic health issues, and no car since she lived in NYC. 4) She isn't making financially responsible moves. She has virtually no savings. I would not be surprised if she has pretty much nothing in the way of retirement savings, nor would I be surprised if she doesn't even really have insurance of any kind. And she regularly maxes out her credit cards. So it's not like she's spending that money on shoes and then has money left over to live well in other areas. She's not living well in a broader sense. So given all of the above, I actually find it fully plausible that she could indeed have that much to blow on clothes, eating out, and cigarettes (the first few seasons). It wasn't a smart choice, but she basically just prioritized spending on her vices above all other spending.

My friends & I can barely get together for lunch two or three times a year…even me & my other childfree friends just don’t have time. And we are just plain TIRED😂😭

Also had men paying for a lot of her expenses

Doesn't anyone remember the first episode with Steve? He was pouring wine and c reading a book. He was an intellectual. They RUINED his character.

@@brittanyg6796they gave him random books to read like it shows him as a smart guy. One time it was a book on aquariums like wtf 😂

​@@brittanyg6796 I know. And he also challenged on her manners, because she didn't bother to be very polite to him when they first met. Imagine that. Steve 'Scoobydoo' Brady, lecturing Miranda Hobbs, Esquire on 'proper behavior'. They really started him out as a genuinely interesting guy. And then turned him into an kinda, sorta lovable, but also really annoying man child. All (presumably) because 'drama' is what people want to watch. I mean...it did work. I'll admit that. Their storyline wasn't boring or predictable and they were both great examples of 'imperfect but likeable' characters. But it would have been fun to see Miranda with someone who challenged her on more than just being a bit 'tense' emotionally.

Part of Carrie's arc is that she is a Romantic with a capital R- so she is big into her idealistic view of things and does not have any sort of pragmaticism or particular purpose. So when we view Carrie, we see what happens when a Romantic person makes Romantic decisions- they are laughably bad. Carrie sees herself as a sophisticated, Romantic New Yorker- but in reality she is a provincial, rather naive person who lacks real curiosity about Paris, France or even trying make new acquaintances.

Absolutly! But what I still dont get: how on earth can you get bored in Paris? I would see architecture and museums all day + try restaurants + go shopping + start a class (also to meet people). I really think she is silly

@@pn7134every time she says she’s been to each museum TWICE, I crack. That’s not possible. Not in two weeks, nor in a month, not even if that’s the only thing you do while in Paris. And girl, I get it, you’re tired of museums. But Paris is the world capital of FASHION! No way you’ve been in all the little boutiques at the Marais!

Eh by then she had success as a writer, which she could do from across the ocean (just not, about dating in new york).

That whole thing was textbook abusive relationship: he love bombs her, isolates her from friends and family, makes her dependent on him, and "accidentally" hits her.

Ouch ! Lol 😂

That elevator moment always makes me cry

​@@katygallardo2227 heartbreaking

More like simpish

Smith was the most solid character on the show. And yes, the hottest

Excuse me while I steal that insult and use it on everyone.

Back in the day this would not have been strange. I’ve helped my friends using my money many times in my life. It’s crazy to you because your generation only cares about themselves. So greedy.

@@katemiller7874 ohhhh interesting. I didn't realize that was a generational thing. I think Millennials and Gen Z are used to being broke though. 🤷‍♀️

@@katemiller7874 okay boomer

@@katemiller7874 No, our generation is broke. Also, it depends on how much money. Carrie needed a lot of money and it was her own fault

​@@katemiller7874I think it's greedy to expect your friends to pay for your house because you were irresponsible with your money 🤷‍♀️

It took me a moment to realise. 😂😂

hahaha so true

LMAO TRU😂

But he'd moved on to Debbie before getting back with Miranda... or are you referring to And Just Like Ass?

This is such a cool analysis!

Interesting

sometimes I do think our friends' advice on our own relationships should be taken with a grain of salt... they may tell you to go on with a person cause they're nice, treat you well, etc, i.e. 'on paper' arguments, when you voice your concerns about the relationship not feeling right on a gut level (so, argument that's subjective to you), so yes the girl's opinions may have influenced Carrie to stay with him for longer that she would have otherwise

Ohhh yes, very clever observation!

good analogy! And she didn't commit to any either.

You mean Gen X

@@yummysushipyjamas nope. I’m saying Carrie is *relatable* to Millennials, not she is one

It's not so much how she spends its how much money she has. No one in publishing makes enough money to live like that unless they're in the executive suite, not someone who writes a column once a week.

@@rabbit_scribe No it's very possible. Based on what Vogue paid her (about $2000-$2500 a month), we can extrapolate that the New York Times was probably paying her about $8000 a month (assuming her column ran weekly), and that's not unheard of for a popular column in a major newspaper 25 years ago. So she had a pretty good income, and she was spending hardly any of it on things that weren't clothes, cigarettes, and eating out. Heck, sometimes when she was eating out, it was on a date that I'm sure she wasn't paying for. So with no savings and very little other expenditures, I can see her being able to "afford" that lifestyle, especially with the help of credit card debt.

agreed. I’m a millennial and both I and so many of my friends are financially irresponsible. I’m currently in the process of learning how to manage my finances properly. consumerism was really pushed on millennials hard!

Well, at least you didn't watch 80s soaps when you were 13 🫤

Me too!!!

Well money wise I think they all had their ducks in a row except of Carrie. Both Sam and Miranda were very successful. Charlotte was doing great too and came from money. But the love part I agree, tho there were some def good relationships portrayed (Sam and smith, aiden wasn’t perfect but was a good man, char & harry, it wasn’t all bad)

Maybe I'm just clueless and this is a common "internet comment" phrase (replace "Berger" and "haters" with whatever works in context) but this made me laugh more than I expected

Every time I see the actor in other things, I yell "Berger!!!!"

⁠@@msdouglas12100me too! It’s always something so different too, like a scary film and I go on a tangent about the post it! 😂

​@@msdouglas12100 I call him Nixon Berger (from Band of Brothers).

Undead of the internet unite! The actor will forever be 'the guy, that broke up with Carrie on a post-it' for me 😅

Exactly. And same as Scarlett, it's to secure her home.

I came here to say exactly this! Love this scene in the book!

I have one with bracelets/watches

I hate wearing anything on my hands and wrists, be it rings, bracelets even nail polish. We use our hands for everything, why make it more uncomfortable?

@@LRB9498 Same, I love wearing rings but I had to stop wearing my watch cause it just feels wrong!

I honestly thought I was the only one! I feel seen now 😂!

I have sensory ick for anything other than earrings.

and then she took Charlottes ring anyway, SMH! UGH.

Well they have breakfast on Saturday morning.... They see each other at lunch time so I guess she can take a 1 hour lunch, when they go to evening events is probably on Friday or Saturday eve.... And she only have 3 friends. I can see it.

Welcome to Big law. It is very common that people have to work insane hours when they want to make partner.

If one works 6-6, what's to stop you from going out @8pm for dinner?

Being too tired and needing to sleep by 10pm so you can wake up at 5am and start work at 6am (still short 1hr of the healthy amount of sleep too).

a plot hole necessary if you want a group of 4 friends that have such different careers and personalities but yeah all those brunches and lunches wouldn't have been possible in real life !

Exactly-Steve never showed up for Miranda while constantly complaining she’s never showing up for him 🤨 BISH BYE

I know I felt awful for her.

truth!!

I know right? Not everything has to be realistic sheesh

She had the long term side gig 'big guy' 😂😂

@@bandana_rathore I’m dead but no fr 🤣

@@bandana_rathore That’s exactly why she should’ve cashed his check for the down payment. He owed her for his part of their foolery.

@@doreafitzgerald2565 I am sure if she would have deposited the check she would have first gone to buy new things and be crying again for not having enough money.

Super awkward and insecure but she threw herself at him initially

​@@salmaokavor5610 He broke up with her with a post-it note!

burger was bad, but the worst dude on the show was the guy in season one that filmed women without their consent, and carrie was just fine with it lol. forgot about him until i rewatched the series and was horrified 😳

No, there were worse. He was maybe the worst one that attained official boyfriend status though.

It’s also shows how craaaazy fast the cultural shifts were in such a short time 😯

I thought it was a Burkin (or however it is spelled)

Nah they end up at the Playboy Mansion where Samantha accused one of Hef's girlfriend's of stealing her fake Fendi. Only the girlfriend's is real.

@@yummysushipyjamas The Birkin incident was when she was representing Lucy Liu as a client. She wanted a Birkin bag but couldn't get one, so she pretended to be buying it for Lucy Liu so she could weasel her way up the wait list. Lucy fired her when she found out about it.

I can’t believe a Tiffany ring can be worth 40k on resale

I remember watching that when I was a teenager thinking it was sweet, but now I think wtf !? Charlotte should have stuck with her boundaries.

And you're telling me in New York there's no place to rent a suit for a night? Like really? There were so many other options they could have taken into consideration but nooooo Steve has to feel bad about himself and resent Miranda and make her feel bad. I hate Steve 😂

That's exactly what was happening when she confronted Charlotte. She didn't actually want money from any of them. But she did notice when Charlotte very pointedly didn't offer, and I'm sure that did sting a little in the moment after Miranda and Samantha had just blithely offered. But she and Charlotte both knew she wasn't really mad about that. She was just making a mountain out of a molehill because she was stressed and in the mood to pick a fight. The fight fizzled out pretty immediately when Charlotte stood up to her.

She did say it was irrational and she knew who to irrationally who to take it out on.

One of my friends did it too. They divorced less than a year later without children thank goodness.

But Trey’s mom. Boy mom vibes there. Also, the wasp dynamic is that people are furniture.

Agreed

I don't necessarily think that Trey didn't treat Charlotte well. It just turned out that they weren't on the same page as far as having children. And he was a momma's boy, and his mother was insufferable.

$7000 and it was literally a studio apartment.

One of the biggest things people complain about with friends is that there's no way Monica and Rachel could afford that apartment..... Except this is addressed in one of the first episodes, that they were illegally subletting it from one of Monica's relatives who had rent control on the apartment.

@@JessMN1974 yup, I remember that. And Phoebe loved with her grandma, so that is probably how she was able to make rent.

Yes but it never addressed how Joey and Chandler could afford that area

@@alexwelsh4336 Chandler's job supposedly paid well. He was some kind of data analyst. When he and Monica are getting married and he shows her what kind of money he has saved she is stunned and Phoebe was like, "For that kind of money, I'll marry you!" Chandler supported Joey early in his career and when Joey finally found steady work again Chandler was probably saving all that money he was spending on Joey

that hair is success!!!

I 99.99% agree with you . . . but Aiden is that .01%.

But that’s exactly why he actually was a simp. Because he deserved so much better and still allowed Carrie back into his life to hurt him again and again. Aiden was as down bad as can be.

tbh the way she framed his behavior in this episode got me to see him in a different light. he’s always been my favorite of carrie’s boyfriends 😢

Whatever he was obviously does not justify how terrible person Carrie was. I find pathetic to call him a simp, he was someone who values woman’s word and trusts what she says. He could have been an amazing husband to a woman with values and self respect.

He needed to work on his self worth

This‼️

Especially not in NYC! The current city and state taxes are almost $7 per pack now.

I like Steve as well and don't really agree with Chelsea's reading on him at all here, but to each their own. I think both he and Miranda's character development throughout the series was very well done. It felt like they both forced each other to change for the better.

I never saw this either!

I was looking for this. Petrovsky may have been filthy rich but come on dude, paying for her apartment and she hadn't agreed yet?

Trey also had the financial stability to make a terrible decision and not be wrecked by it. So he didn’t even really suffer from his poor decision.

@@elenakalliste Absolutely. His family wealth was an incredible buffer plus he had a really good job.

Oh no no no. Harry was a total sweetheart.

@@stephanieauker1106 Ok Yes Harry is a total sweetheart but I would also argue his pursuing Charlotte was a very weird decision and while they ultimately ended up as a good fit in the show his behavior while acting as her divorce lawyer was at times unprofessional.

I always hated steve. Miranda really should have realized she was too good for him and needed tokeep it pushing. And he clearly felt that way, so he shoulda just left her the hell alone so she could find her match. But i suppose he couldnt resist the housing she provided with her big girl job.

Seriously? Steve was great and so loving; she didn’t deserve him

I’m 58 and the same age as the characters but I never really related to the characters, they are American and I’m British. Some parts were groundbreaking for sure, like the masturbation toys featured. But a lot bothered me, Charlotte rejecting the pastry chef, Carrie’s smoking and not giving up on Big immediately and rejecting the gorgeous bisexual guy and breaking into the box in a lover’s apartment. The whole shoe episode and Miranda “settling” for Steve. The women’s weirdness around uncircumcised men.

@@gingerfellah5665 Oh my gosh, that adorable man with the Tweety Bird tattoo. I was always angry with Carrie that she messed that one up.

I think miranda was too smart to say how much she actually had ;)

I always assumed that the $15k was the amount of disposable income Miranda was willing to loan to Carrie. I’m sure Miranda had more but she wasn’t going to put herself or her baby in a dangerous position just to help Carrie (as much as she loved her).

​@@Natalie_11188 I assumed it was how much she had in liquid cash that she was willing to part with (likely having much more), and that she has the bulk of her assets in investments, 401Ks and such.

@@vbrown6445yup I agree.

and, although Chelsea is ignoring the spin-off in this analysis, he is also the owner of the nightclub who gets involved with Seema.

Steve did accept Aidan as a silent partner when he bought a bar after Steve and Miranda broke up. Miranda tried to convince Steve to buy a bar when they were together and he was having none of it

Agree. People put Samantha on a pedestal. And although she does behave less judgmental, she behaves unhinged with men and has put a man over her own friends on more than one occasion. I think of Carrie trying to make a toast while they were in Atlantic City and Sam just gets up mid toast to chase after Richard.

@@reynaolvera7526 All because she knew he was gonna cheat on her again.

I think if the infertility hadn't come up, Trey would have just gone along with having a baby because that's what he's supposed to do in his society. In a way, the infertility issue was the best thing for him, because it forced him to finally be honest with Charlotte and himself.

But Charlotte had somewhat her back covered and she knew it: she had the prenup, she had married a very wealthy man, she seemed to come from "old money" or a very rich family. Charlotte could afford what she was doing, Carrie couldn' t

@@laurach.5550 yes, Charlotte could afford her lifestyle, Carrie could not.

He’s a hobosexual.

🎉🎉

Hahahah...get your throat ready..and don't have anything tossable close by!! Lol!!😂😂😂you'll literally wanna fight this women irl.

@@rosseryankeegirl I got to the episode where she drunkenly hooked up with the caterer after she made an ass of herself at a snooty party, only for Big to call her and say he loves her. I've heard all the analysis videos so I know what happens eventually in the story, but, holy crap Carrie, he's older and has already been married and struggles with fidelity. You know what you are getting into! He is being very honest with you!

Same! I see it with a totally different lens now (especially with TFD's commentary in my head) than when I first watched the series. Steve HAD been one of my favorite characters, but I'll have new favorites I guess. I never could quite articulate what bothered me about Carrie through the whole show, but I'm getting closer.

I always read him as insecure but trying not to be. I’m teaching again now and he still doesn’t seem that bad to me. The suit thing was Miranda’s fault in my opinion, since she kind of forced all of it on him. But they just weren’t compatible, lifestyle alone should have been a deal breaker.

@@elenakalliste She's a lawyer and the suit was to fit into that world, so, of course she wanted a good one. If he couldn't afford it and refused for her to pay for it (and it made complete sense for her to pay for it - it's an event for her benefit), he should have said he wasn't going instead of standing her up. What he did was shitty. I agree they weren't compatible.

Both my parents lost their rings in the first 10 years of marriage. No less married, just as happy, and less inconvenienced since 1995.

My daughter and her future wife both hate rings. They are thinking of tattooing them on.

She had her book adapted for the movie, too! I never liked her, though. Same, thought shallow and vain.