If ONLY they made *Strength* a fighting type move.

I dont see why KARATE chop isn’t a fighting move smh…

@@dbz1064They at least changed it from Gen 2 onwards. Like Gust and SAND Attack being Normal

​@@CMed14there's no point in making sand attack ground unless they really want to make flying types immune. Which I don't like, because I imagine sand attack including a bird making a bunch of wind that kicks sand up in the sky and blinds fliers (I think the cartoon has this with Pidgey).

@@CMed14and bite being changed to dark

As a kid I just didn't understand how the transfer pak worked and was scared I'd lose my pokemon to stadium so never used it 😭

Given that was my main fighting move before understanding the move effect, I also didn't know ghost was immune to fighting

And guess what for some reason struggle of all things cant hit ghost in gen 1

Gengar switches into a seismic toss from Chansey Chansey switches out to Alakazam Gengar uses counter to randomly smack Alakazam for 200 damage on the switch Me: Huh Also me: What do you mean counter counters the last confirmed hit on a pokemon!?

Almost makes Ash thinking it works on Brandon's Dusknoir with Charizard in having forgotten it doesn't work on ghost types seem more understandable why he thought it would work lol.

Just as like Night Shade hits normal types. Tbh, moves with a set amount of damage (Sonicboom, Dragon Rage, Seismic Toss, Night Shade) also ignore immunities in gen 1.

Haunter is one of the best in the game

@@joshuawidener8407 They're both comparable to most fully evolved Pokemon in Gen 1 normally as is.

@@ShiningJudgment666 either way, the game is almost unplayable without using your own mons

@@joshuawidener8407 Pretty much. Rentals only is doable, but a lot of luck is needed. Using your own mons with actual movesets and more than likely better stats is definitely better though.

Some of them got okay IVs… The ones with bad base stat totals, like the first forms. This hilariously screws over Pokemon like Arcanine who has a high base stat total but simply isn’t very good due to a very subpar move pool and typing.

I’m pretty sure in prime cup you get stuck under leveled as well

@@Emcee_Coinnah all rentals in prime cup are 100. But they lack ivs and stat experience. now in gym leader castle…. If you enter Pokémon over level 50 (via Pokémon on your game cart) the castle will adjust to the level of the highest level Pokémon making the rentals even worse since they stay level 50

That's 100% the case.

Some of us don't even get that luxury today because there's no way to port in pokemon to stadium on the NSO service.

@@morphstarchangeling8024simply own the original hardware and your problems are solved. I made it a mission to own all the hardware (n64, stadium 1&2, x2 gamepaks and all the gameboy cartridges) Not sure how much it cost in total but it’s definitely worth it. Can’t wait to sweep my kids team to start my villain arc

That's true to an extent but it was also just an awkward attempt to balance the rental meta. Unevolved Pokemon were given stronger movesets to compensate for their stats, evolved Pokemon were given terrible movesets to undermine their stats. If the game were balanced around fully evolved stuff the rentals would likely be way more usable, it's pretty obvious they had an idea which moves would be actually good, but gotta make Charmeleon as good as Charizard

Its likely what they were trying to do was make all Pokemon able to compete against each other so that you could pick whatever you wanted from Rentals. So weaker and unevolved Pokemon get better moves while the stronger ones get weaker moves to put them all on equal power levels.

It killed Rhydon too

Thanks a ton georgie

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Dagame lol

Programming oversight but honestly, it's still not great.

I would pair up hitmonchan with ditto. Spam ice punch until freeze, swap out to ditto, transform, ???, profit!

It learns submission but yeah

They're not even technically signature because Magmar, Electabuzz and Jynx learn them too.

Game Freak: We must apologize, we trained him wrong as a joke.

And with crap HP, it just dies slightly slower

Onix was originally a Dishonorable mention, I wanted Dill to make it 6 dishonorable, because it's like a full party, but he decided to have it be 5

Onix is not great in rentals, but it has some saving graces that I think make it worth considering. It has an OK speed tier and access to explosion/selfdestruct in all three formats mentioned. It actually has the highest speed out of any of the rock-grounds, though that's not saying much since you still don't want to have it in against any fast water or ice type. But I think it's a lot better than the other mons on the list, since it can wall electrics and has the speed-tier to get at least SOMETHING done so long as you don't pit it against a Starmie or Alakazam. Again, it's not super good or anything, but being rock-ground and having a decently fast Explosion button gives it some viability, though said Explosion is not super strong, you could weaken the mon and then revenge kill it with something faster. I'd argue that something like Golem or Marowak is worse than Onix

Well you can’t really blame him anymore. RIP.

Well he also fixed all the shit the devs did in JPN PS1; the game clearly favors the AI; so much so that it was the devs who altered the games code to make the AI 50-80% luckier than any player could ever be. The most % the player will ever get is 15% crit rate in everything and any move that is 80% or below is 50% for the player and 90% of the AI. OHKO moves are 5% for the player, 50% for AI. Also AI has the 1/255 removed for them only. So a MUCH better amount of fixes of unfucking a game and fixing what needed fixed. Several reasons why the JP PS1 is viewed in such disfavor.

@8squared007 BRUH LMAO

​@@Luckytarianism why the lmao?

What a stupid comment

I mean If you want to make a pokemon do SOMETHING in Gen 1, you could do something like sub+rest with maybe body slam, toxic, seismic toss... so that's kinda tbe end of the line for Hitmonchan, but, if anything should get the, uh, "privilege" of running such a set, it's Hitmonchan.

Imagine making a Pokemon based entirely on punching, and giving it _no_ punching moves it could use except maybe Mega Punch (worse Body Slam) and Comet Punch. In fact, I have no idea why Mega Kick and Mega Punch weren't made into Fighting type moves. Low Kick was. Or at least give Hitmonchan a signature move if Hitmonlee gets one.

​@@christiancinnabars1402 It feels like the point was to give Hitmonchan the elemental punches as they seemed to pivot from the punch yokai with Jynx, but they lost the script at some point in development.

My favorite thing about stadium is that it can be classified as its own gen. Like gen 1 was fucked then they made gen 1.5 which unfucked alot of things in turn fucking many more things

Uh no, Beedrill was trash and wasn't useful until it got a mega

​@@joshuawidener8407he said for a playthrough

@@yearzer0 yeah Beedrill sucked. In fact, if you wanna get to the nitty gritty, every team was basically the same anyways with trying to freeze Chansey for instance

​@@yearzer0 any pokemon can be good in a playthrough, just depends on how patient you are. put away the beedrill, and start using that raticate if you don't want to spend more than a week playing the game.

I think we can all agree it was intentional, to round out the selection of useable mons. I mean, even Smogon does a similar thing in ranbats, but by scaling levels. Even Sunflora is actually not totally horrible because its a crazy high level.

Though to be fair, the stronger middle stage Pokemon like Kadabra and Haunter are better than a lot of fully evolved Pokemon.

The biggest knock on Rhydon is the fact there are a TON of Water types in Stadium's cups, and Rhydon being so slow is GOING to die. Its just not as valuable as you'd think because of its move pool. If it had rock slide on any of its sets, it would likely not have been on this list. Also when dillon did his rental rando, he just died, so it's put on this list because of personal experience.

​​@@nerdstop5025 From my experience, Rydon deserves to be on the list because its such a big disappointment. Seriously, you feel like you objectively should pick it, and then it just dies over and over. But it kiiiinda technically isn't as bad as some? But its just feels bad. Like, the one guy who has some trait that got them in your friend group but they're such an ass, they deserve to be called "the worst'

Picking rhydon made me win so many battles 2v3 because he just dies, he's a pick by standard, not by ability in stadium

It's a fully evolved list only so he didn't compare Rhydon to Rhyhorn or Graveler.

Rhydon is actually one of the better rentals

I mean just use your own pokemon.

Yeah graveler has an excellent moveset

Kadabra is also one of them, having Psychic, Thunder Wave, and Recovee in one of the cups!

He was one of my favorites as a kid. So disappointed when I tried to use him in Stadium.

Except a ton of people never had the transfer paks

​@@dylancross1039 And there are good rental Pokémon to use. Probably my favorite of the rentals is Starmie.

Except they didn't take into account that garbage movepools ruin anything and busted movepools can't really fix weak Pokemon. You had some good ones though. Jolteon in one of the cups has Thunderbolt while in other cases it's stuck with the unreliable but powerful Thunder and Jynx had usable dual-STAB (Psychic and though it's not the best, it gets Ice Punch).

@@ShiningJudgment666 No denying. Gen 1 was very buggy and limited. But we all have to start somewhere. The first Zelda wasn't a great game. How about Metroid? I think we need to look at the game through hindsight rather than comparing it to what we have now. I had it as a kid and it brought me hours of enjoyment. Me and my friends battling in full 3D with announcer VO...it was an incredible feat. Even WWE games at the time didn't have commentary or weight classes. So yes the game may have flaws...but for a new I.P. and from a dev most people had never even heard of that allowed you to connect a GB game to the N64 to enhance your experience and offer interactivity...I fully commend them for the effort. Especially when you look at the blandness and lack of risk modern gaming applies.

Lol nope

Right on time

Because crabhammer always results in a crit in gen 1. That move is broken af and it 2 shots almost everything that doesn’t resist it.

To add, iirc even with such low Special, Kingler has a good shot at 3hko'ing Snorlax with Crabhammer. Heck if the variant isn't Reflect, it also has the powerful Swords Dance + Hyper Beam/Body Slam combo to work off of. In rentals, Crabhammer + Normal move was all it really needs. And it gets it. Crabhammer + Stomp/Strength. Not the best by a mile, but Crabhammer just carries it past utter garbage to passable.

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The ditto glow up was real!

Set damage moves in gen 1 ignore type match-up. Nightshade hits Normal and Psychic types while Seismictoss hits Ghost type.

Oh yeah, lick doesn't hit psychics... and as far as i know, it's the only one to do that

The learnsets you get without TMs really don't do it justice. EQ and Rock Slide are all you really need on it in normal circumstances but Body Slam and the thick Substitutes it can put up really make it a great anti-Electric and physically defensive behemoth.

Really appreciate all your help putting stats together!

@@UofCWildcatPersonal keep your jaw open while i dump the slop in

Parasect is 4x resistant to Earthquake so yes

@@damianwarneke305 No, not AGAINST Parasect, as a rental Pokemon you use. This isn't about x vs. y, but instead "How do x and y perform in the same competitions?"

Rentals loves to ruin your favorites

Thank you! Im trying to branch out my content, glad you like it!

Welcome aboard friend!

I mean who else could learn it

@@xEkard Malding ✅️

Ditto is really good nowadays in a lot of ways

@@joshuawidener8407 I jumped ship at Gem 6 'cause X & Y was so bad.

@@Eficiente_VSB x and Y were perfectly fine. But ditto got a hidden ability that gave him the ability to auto transform and pumped up it's attack