I take it that the work wasn't paid

Steve D copying this

The key word in that statement is “was”.

To this day spitting is a problem. Mesa PD was gonna ticket me for spitting on the sidewalk and smoking(cig)on the light rail.

America is wicked and will pay for everything they do when it's due.

A lot of countries force prisoners into hard labor. It's often considered part of the punishment for the crime.

In fact, to go off what he was saying about people not knowing what justice system, unless they get stuck in it. I ended up doing 2 weeks with 10 years probation with a year over my head, meaning if I got in trouble I may have to do that year. But I kept violating my probation because one of the conditions of my release was to stay in the small town I wanted to leave. There was nothing for me there. But the cop I went to high school with would pick me up any time he saw me and interactions with a police officer without reporting it to my probation officer was a violation that he knew about, so all he had to do to throw me back in jail was pick me up and say he violated his probation. I'd go to court, even if I say I couldn't call my probation officer because I was put in jail, they would say "That's not true, he stopped to give you a chance and you refused" which is like... If I had a chance to avoid jail with a phone call, I think i'd take it. But that's Todd county MN for ya. If you don't have a lawyer, they already have your sentenced planned before you get there and your public defendor's going to accept anything the DA says. To make it worse, every violation got printed like the original party I was at that I got in trouble for being at and it looked like I kept burglarizing places even though I don't really consider what happened burglarizing. At least I think you need to break into places and steal stuff to be a burglar, this was a party in a track and field and maybe someone got into the storage room but I don't know. I was super drunk and forgot about it until someone got in trouble a year later and said I did it all, and I had the choice of confessing what they wanted me to say, or have everyone they think I know get picked up and put into cells and get charged with whatever they can think of unless I confess and I didn't want that so I told them everything they wanted me to say into the recorder. But I didn't know cops could lie at the time, they had me thinking that me and everyone I knew were going to prison for life over something I could barely remember. But live and learn, I could have just said no and they couldn't have done anything, or may have. They were bullies. I had one of the older cops warn me to get out of town ASAP because he knew I was being trageted by the younger cops I went to school with. Now I think they got in trouble because they cut the police force way down and exchange them between towns and stuff. Instead of seeing the same police searching for people to arrest, I only see like one who's not being so sneaky. Although a few years ago I did get slammed on the hood walking home from a friends and had everything removed from my pockets by 7 cops, then they all left me to pick up my stuff. They said they had a call of me running around screaming I was going to kill everyone, but I had a one block journey from my friend's to where I was staying at the time and had been walking for less than a minute before I was surrounded. All and all I don't trust the police and am terrified of them. I find myself wondering who want's that kind of power over people in the first place, I think they should make people who don't want to be police, the police. There's a lot of people who want to be cops because they were pushed around when younger and want to push back.

Beyond Psychology, like your nickname. I ended up with my real name showing after the google plus merger years ago and never bothered with it since, but do feel a bit naked using it like I do. But F-it. I sometimes wonder if my odd name is why I've been having to deal with odd things my life. I spent 5 years getting a news article about a drunken disorderly that I think the guy took my past charge and created a narrative of me breaking into a cigar shop and it was the top search result on Google if you put in my name for years! And let me tell you, I couldn't get so much as a call back to any application back then. And if you've been in trouble, notice how the online ones just shut you off if you're honest about your background? You have to lie to complete the application even, anyway it took a lot of bitching and years of writing with no response to finally figure out who the legal team was, contact them with it, showing them my actual charges and pointing out how nothing in the article relates to what's in the court documents got them to finally delete it, but not a person would move until years of complaining. And don't get me started on my attempts at establishing paternity on a child my ex-wife had a couple years after I had seen her last. You get one chance to get to court and I had someone paid in advance who kept the money and acted like he didn't know what I was talking about that day (It's what I was thinking about the night we were all drinking and his wife got on me and I didn't stop her. He did though and it was the last we ever spoke, but he could have driven me 3 hours away that day and stopped child support from taking most of my money all these years because now I have to pay for everything including forcing her to take the test because she doesn't want it. And the fact I had an order for protection against her during the time of conception, or she's a miracle of science and held onto a baby in her belly for years, but... long story short. I need to pay to supbeana her, which is how you make someone who refuses to go to court, to legally be forced into going to court or lose the case. She'll probably just not show because she's the type who never once admitted anything odd she's done. She's bashed a plate over my head while I was eating and acted like she didn't and never once confessed to it when the evidence was everywhere! I was 18 at the time, she was 26. I also was a huge pushover who turned red when a cute girl said my name, until after the hell this woman put me through. But I'm still trying to save up the money I need to force her to court to take a paternity test. It's pretty cheap when both parties agree. But she didn't even want to get divorced, and this was after she stalked me and tried at least acting like she was going to kill me with a knife by chasing me with a knife screaming she's going to kill me. I found it pretty believable anyway, to the point I got the police involved and got the order for protection because she was also calling and threatening my friends and family. (This was in 2000 when some people kept little tiny phone books that they wrote in pen their friends and family's phone numbers because pagers were bigger than cell phones still) Long story short, in like... 2015 I got hit with child support for a kid that she had. I already said I missed the one court date where I could have brought up the paternity question. It's because she still didn't want to get divorced and a MN law that makes the husband automatically the father (so no, I didn't sign shit. No birth certificiate nor do I have any idea what this kid looks like. I just know it's hard to make money no matter how hard I work and it's because of something my ex-wife doesn't want the truth known about) So I want to know the truth. Hell, if it's my kid I think it's fucked up she did this and never once tried to contact me, except once when she found my job and started spreading weird rumors about me. (Thankfully she's not too creative and sticks to abuse themes which are actually true, but it's stuff she does to guys not what guys have done to her) My advice to anyone reading this is if you meet someone who tells you quickly about living with someone who's abusing and raping them, then instantly accepts your offer to help them out and give them a place to live. First find out if that's really happening. That's how I met this woman and instantly she was pregnant and planning a wedding, then the prenancy was a lie but she kept the wedding. I think she tried this before, but she lucked out getting a straight out of highschool 18 year old with anti-social problems that we didn't have names for back then. So it ended much like it started. She found a new guy who she told that I was abusing and raping her, he swiftly came in and took everything of both hers and mine. (Minus my computer but took the keyboard and left my playstation but took the power cord and also left my senior photos with all the female pictures eyes poked out spread around the apartment) I wish we had pictures on our phones back then. I never thought of taking a picture of the place. I had a regular camera, but it was gone. But I was happy she was gone. I did try calling the cops to report everything stolen, but much like a previous time I called the police on her, they told me I had to bring her to family court and it's not a police matter. (It's crazy what you can do to your spouse legally if you can't afford to bring them to court, I think it's why most abuse cases stay quiet besides other reasons, like fear. That was my biggest reason to stay quiet, fear she may actually follow through on her threats and actually kill my mom or something) So be wary if you're young and impressionable. Especially if you think you know everything. As you get older you learn that you'll never know everything and everyday should give you lessons to learn. Even if it's just from a book or TV show. But at the same time I'm near the end of my wit's rope on this and lately it's been like she's physically in my head doing what she did to me only I don't remember what she looks like. She's a pig monster now. A lot of guys kept asking me how I got someone so hot back when I was with her, and I would respond "Take her! please! Go for it! You can have her!" And they would laugh and I'd say "I'm not kidding" and they would laugh harder... But I can't picture that person they saw at all. But I don't know what I'd do if I actually saw her again. I once thought I ran into her and I froze and nearly pissed my pants, but that was like 2 years after the order for protection and before the child support thing happened. But holy shit, that was the scarriest moment I've ever been through that wasn't a real threat. I don't think any movie can get me close to pissing myself like that. I'll shut up now, I once again turned this comment into another diatribe about my problems. This happens on job applications now too, I don't even realize it until I run out of space and look back at what I was writing. She's really messed me up good.

I dont think it's a bad idea, the prisons in america is one of the best in the world.

@@DrBrainTickler you really have brain damage. I would say stop taking drugs but it too late for you. A mental midget like you has never seen the destruction communism brings to countries. The poverty is complete through out the countries that were forced into it. Captalism is the only flawed system that works adequately enough to provide wealth. No other system with more than 100 people in it can. Do your homework. Stop taking drugs and get out of your mothers basement!

@@bigwheel6533 He denounced our current system, but he never said anything about Communism. That was all you.

So...are you expecting another man to hand you those basic needs? A man also makes his own way using the means available. One of those means is employment. Otherwise, you're gonna be dependent on another man to feed you. You're not a child, are you?

The problem with choice though is that it could be the wrong choice because you don't have all the knowledge to make a better choice. And not not having that information can be a subtler form of slaver.

Internet Azzhole so we’re just calling every inconvenient thing in the human condition slavery now? My clothes get dirty and I have to wash them...slavery. I gotta take a damn shower again? Slavery. Man, this business venture I could do has some risk involved. Slavery. Wow I’ve been eating lots of donuts and pies lately and I’ve gained 10 pounds. Slavery. Fuck damnit! I got all these bills from my cable company, cell phone company, fuckin pornhub subscription and they want paid today. Slavery. ffs

Damn it, some guy is questioning my sense of freedom, gatta make a comment.

Well, you made a comment. This is a public forum. Does it make you feel like a slave when other people discuss things with you?

Trump said it, but you think he's the only person with power to think that way? Lol this dude is literally telling you how the upper % thinks abs talks behind closed doors but y'all just wanna talk about how hes the only evil rich guy.

@@dhamilton5174 He's the only evil rich guy that's leading the West into what could potentially develop into a new world war.

Said by the guy who worked relentlessly for prison reform, through much opposition. Did you ever consider that he was indicating he doesn't discriminate against poorly educated people????

Michael W do you even know what trump has done??? Do your research.

Michael W he’s done so many amazing things. Actually look into it

Wow that is absolutely disgusting. Currently trying to educate myself on the slavery topic. If you ever see this do you mind if I put this comment on my Instagram story

What did u do tho...

@@miathaicha22 he or she shouldn't have to answer that. They don't have to put them whole selves online and don't have to tell anyone

Mia Clarke I mean no they don’t but if they’re opening up about being a slave to the government I think it’s relevant to ask what he even did because many black people r arrested for nothing so I’m just wondering if he’s another innocent victim of a racist system or if he like killed someone...

I'm familiar with Mo. Laws, Ks, laws as well as a few more states, sex offenders are mostly GPS'd & have lifetime supervision/parole. Damn, near a step away frm being civilly committed.

Vincent Harper It's 15% to have a bondsman get you out of jail. And that's before expenses are factored in. That's not much of a racket. The big drug companies have a higher profit margin than that.

I overstand passion and compassion. We can respond to people who lack knowledge and empathy in a better way, J Riley. Peace.

Maybe this NPR hyperlink will work: www.npr.org/2017/10/25/559888442/californias-top-court-abolish-commercial-bail

^They are blocking the original site. Never ever have I had social media block a government site, I can't post the year long study by the government. If I post the URL, my message doesn't show to anyone but me. The quoted search phrase gets filtered too; even if I break up the article name, I can't type google this- I'm mind blown over this censorship. Like wtf, I can't post the government article , yet the NPR hyperlink will work. Seriously Heart Broken. Peace

Vincent Harper it’s unreal they keep u locked in a cage until your proven innocent.. people that are falsely accused of a crime sit in jail till u pay a ransom for there freedom.. that’s ridiculous af

YES WE DO

the type of slavery that the constitution says is still legal is not the type of slavery that was legal in the 1800's it's keeping a convicted person in a prison not selling them like property

Stem Factory he murdered someone. And he's complaining about 15 dollar phone calls. What do you mean punishment doesn't fit the crime?

I believe your position is valid and I don't speak to the specifics of any particular case but about the system as a whole and where you consider the possibility that someone you love must serve time for making a mistake. Shouldn't we structure the system so that those individuals aren't put in a position to continually fail but rather receive genuine redemption and an opportunity to move forward into being a more productive member of society? If someone were to murder me I wouldn't want them to be killed back and ya they should serve a long time in prison. I don't work in that industry or understand its intricate workings but I think everyone knows it can be a lot better and that's not to disregard the positive changes that have been made to date. I think we could start by eliminating a lot of the mandatory minimums and returning more flexibility to the judicial bench. I also think it's a bad idea to have a system where prosecutors careers are rewarded by seeking maximum punishments instead of a focus on what's the best outcome for society as a whole. We shouldn't be milking poor people for the little bit that they have and then expect the part of our society that needs the most help to stop its continual spiral of decline. I think it's a good idea for people to work in jail if they choose to but I think they should be paid a taxable minimum wage and have half their earnings deposited into an account they receive upon their release date. Pending they have paid off all debts due to the prosecution. Look I'm not trying to change any minds or get into some debate, I'm just stating where I stand on the issue.

@@stemfactory7312 isolation definitely needs to be abolished first and foremost. My spouse will never be normal again, can't function properly anymore and disassociates to the point of becoming violent and abusive. The learned prison behaviors and manipulation also don't help and threatening to return them to prison isn't a punishment. Probation and parole is designed to make people violate the terms. My spouse got a PV and was put in isolation for about 5 months while they waited to find a treatment facility to place them in... Treatment that they've been through so many times, they just manipulate the system, complete it in record time and are back using again as soon as they're out. The last isolation stay completely fucked up their mind and things haven't been better, only worse now, for the last 4+years... Institutionalized individuals are damaged. Prison and jail have been turned into mental institutions and drug rehab holding facilities... I think the entire system is messed up. You've mentioned some good ideas that should be discussed. I think this is a topic that should be addressed and really worked on. Though. The same can be said about the entire government with all its random agencies and the numerous companies attached to them. Perhaps even throwing out all laws in general and redoing EVERYTHING. Things are only going to get worse and all systems have been hijacked, so that the fall of America/the UNITED STATES INC. Happens and the new world, global order put in place... Tragically change for the better will not come, not in time anyway and better will only remain a dream in the minds of those aware of what's to come, because those who fell victim to the system, laws, indoctrination and mind control refuse to listen and wake up to what's already here, slowly being implemented. It's tragic. Pedophiles get less time than minor drug offenders, that alone should have woken more people up. Smh...

b1aflatoxin you mean people who committed a crime?

+Pyxis Projects General Contracting - Not necessarily.

👮 lo que me llevó enfermedad siempre sentimos solo pero es tanto Pesado por la cara ves y vez enfermedad mental botón abrir la puerta a la gente Que ponga la casa a la gente a mí soy un idiota

🔍👮 Ita primer policía último reunión mi propio mundo

b1aflatoxin BS. Slavery cancelling was economically rational, because costs of housing, food, medicine and security takes all out of very unproductive slave’s economic results. There is a new form of slavery. Everyone is a tax slave now.

Agreed Guy. It should also be a crime to be a derp in the comments section! I mean, these people have no heart or sense.

I think fines should be based on income

I know words, I have the best words. Nobody respects women more than me. I am the least racist person who you have ever met. Nobody lies better than me. Believe me. Sad!

I don’t see how doing things like cleaning trash from the street is that bad.

Getting arrested != going to prison, you moron.

Yeah idk if the human rights act applies to america but Artical 3 states that every human has a right to not be treated in a degrading way

Oh wait just looked it up and it only applies to the uk. It's an act from the uk parliament

@@miaclarke6859 They made the 1966 covenant (ICCPR) non self-executive treaty, they ratified it while adding this reserve and then render totally ineffective the treaty before domestic jurisdiction and after the US speak about human rights to the whole planet, what a bunch of hypocrite.

mrpotatohed4 lol

USA is a 3rd world country, We still allow child bride! Prisoner slavery , not a surprise!

Yeah man, Russian and Brazilian prisons are way better...

@@alienwarex51i3 lol, i really hope that's sarcasm.

@@daveton9033 what child brides?

@@JjClark-wz7eh It is no worries hah

M M probably too many to list. Practically anybody connected to Alec or Geo Group. You're going to see a lot of major companies. Oil companies like Exxon Mobil, BP, and Shell, I T & tech companies like Microsoft, AT&T, and Verizon, fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's, Food Distributors like Procter & Gamble, Whole Foods, Pepsi, stores like Walmart and Kmart, and Koch Industries (of course). That's just a sample. I haven't been able to find a complete list yet.

Oh, and nearly all the major banks: Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan

That's not how demonization works.

Gotta do your research fam. Many are well known and are all over the internet. McDonalds is one for sure. Just look up companies that contract with CCA (corrections corporation of America) to get you started.

Christopher Rivera it’s not demonization when it’s fact. This is the problem these days. When people don’t like a fact, they just say that it’s fake or demonization. If early American industries took slaves to take advantage of free labor, do you really think they would pass on the opportunity for dirt cheap labor today?

You can see why the south fought so hard to keep slavery free and legal...

It just allowed involuntary servitude in prison,.

Actually, it's the Asian people who don't jump from factories that make our smartphones. It's kind of hard to make a smartphone if you are a grease stain on the parking lot of some warehouse.

@@ethangray8527 ... 🤔... Don't they have suicide nets now though to keep the suicide number down in case anyone does decide to jump?....

Fuck. Good point!

@Tp L Shh you can't be materialist about economic conditions, that's Communism!

@@pocketsand5216 Lol.

I know words, I have the best words. Nobody respects women more than me. I am the least racist person who you have ever met. Nobody lies better than me. Believe me. Sad!

A racist brick All Lives matter. Great Dr King stated “do not judge a man by his colour , judge him by his character “.

But white people that do the crime get less time.

Jarvis Adger no we dont

Wage Slavery - A situation where a person's livelihood depends on wages or a salary, especially when the dependence is total and immediate.

Jarvis Adger do you consider yourself a wage slave?

Yes people do...See how worthless that type of comment is? Facts backed with points are constructive, just saying no isn't.

Guess I'm a slave wage, just like every other person in the free world by that definition... Until they make themselves not a slave.

The Bukkakian From The Planet Dillhole or Canada? or Norway? Real Rehabilitation Center? Or is that too complicated for you cuz all you see is black and white. If it aint This it HAS to he This. Type of mentallity. American Prisons do not work.

Exactly. Kanye wanted to do something about it. I disagree about abolishing it though. Instead, just modify it where no one is allowed slavery under ANY circumstance

Beyond Psychology alimony has nothing to do with children, to support the children you would pay child support.

@@bigwheel6533 mad

Say that when you will be caught breaking any law.

that is not in the constitution and if it is then tell us where?

The "'citizen'" IS that allcaps corporate fiction mask and the id number that goes with it and it is property of the social security administration. Not a living man or woman.

Because they absolutely are.

I agree but they need help getting back to society...dont just lock people up then send them home the same or worse then when they arrived.

I think the best part about this statement was: "imma look it up" :)

what about if you're innocent and targeted?

E Loesch just America and other shitty prisons. Canada and Norway are doing fine.

How do you think it got implemented?

Ya, it's called an amendment

It's almost the case with the 1966 ICCPR treaty.

@@lukefrance9558 I think my statement is pretty clear about inmates only working if they choose to take those assignments. If they want to sit on their lazy asses all day in their cell they can. If they want to work and get a little bit of money they can. That does not meet any reasonable persons definition of slavery. It is not slavery when someone is in prison and they say to him you can either sit on your ass or go do something and make a small amount of money! Also, if you get rid of the as punishment for a crime exception that will eliminate the option of community service given to poor people to pay a debt to society.

Why is the food disgusting?

@@LonerStonER217 It's called punishment

@@TheDarkRodent cruel and unusual

@LonerStonER217 Nothing unusual about, jail food has been shit for thousands of years. It's actually quite usual. Cruel would be not feeding them and making them forage fir sustenance.

@@TheDarkRodent what about getting assaulted and raped?