Love it.

Agreed. New to Lowry but this was jaw dropping

@G Sterling Not only that, but to say that the US was founded to "preserve slavery" when the practice was dying out is nonsense. Just insane. Nothing has been so critically panned by historians and yet it still won.

@G Sterling Please explain.

@@Dr.Frankensteen No one, i think, said that the US was founded to "preserve slavery". However; slavery was a part of the founding of America.

@@wendellspivey3747 That was part of the 1619 project. While yes America retained slavery the Founding Fathers tried hard to end it before we became a nation. Hence why Washington freed his and advocated against it. but in order to maintain the Union at the time they had to agree to something. Hence the 3/5s vote while retaining slavery.

How insane. How do we get past this stage of life? When an admitted lie, complete hypothetical fiction is released as Journalism and its awarded what prior to 2018 was considered the most prestigious award in the game... how far are we falling? Depressing.

Same here

Me too. I respect the black Conservatives and I'll never be able to understand why they are often called Uncle Toms.

@@oldsalt8011 I think it's more to do with freedom to have individual thoughts different from the group's expectations that people are labeled disparagingly, than it is about being a conservative. For instance, I don't think either of these two professors would self identify as conservative, especially John. But they both think independently.

@@PaulKruskamp good points.

@@PaulKruskamp I believe Glenn identifies as a Neoconservative.

ric vegas That is where he really shines. You really get an idea of how smart he is when he talks about linguistics.

@@estebannemo1957 Ha! He IS a linguist, after all...

These guys are too smart for Rogan... I like Rogan but he’d get lost really quickly I think. It would be interesting though!

yeah.. Someone should recommend Joe Rogen to take them to his podcast. I'm sure he would if he just knew. Let's not forget that MSM and academia and a bunch of institutions do their best to ignore and pretend these guys are invisible. We should really get them to Rogen!

I agree. Coleman Hughes would be great on there too, debate style, with someone like Killer Mike.

I wonder if John would...Gleen for sure.

I personally doubt that Rogan wants anything to do with this conversation. A. He's a bit more woke than he seems and B. he's already thought of as "alt right adjacent ", whatever the fuck that means. He would look, to some, like the white guy who gets a black guy to say the racist stuff for him. He might like to avoid all of that. I don't think any of this is racist, I'm just talking about perception and the woke media mob.

@@shamsam4 Sad. But don't you think the "internet crowd" could handle it. Not everybody, but many certainly would. Besides Joe doesn't need to say much. Preferably nothing, if Glenn and/or John came on.

​@@shamsam4 Joe isn't woke. Joe holds fewer beliefs than most people assume, he's highly agreeable, and he's willing to be circumspect or even to temporarily endorse views if doing so may benefit whatever conversation he's having at the time. This is what makes him a great interviewer, but it has the result that he's only firm and consistent on a relatively small set of issues, usually those that relate most strongly to his core interests. My hunch is that Joe's primary limitations are (1) avoiding guests or topics so salacious they would push away more mainstream and higher profile guests and (2) avoiding guests or topics so salacious they could threaten his viability on KZfaq. (These limitations do not apply to John or Glenn; I think they haven't yet been invited on the show because (a) they're not visible to Joe, (b) no one's made a strong pitch on their behalf, (c) Joe invites few academics, (d) Joe rarely discusses race as the primary focus of an interview).

Sam Williamson - could be. I’m not sure hi rogan would feel about it, but he’s had Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro... I think they’re worse offenders than Glenn or John.

Kip Wonder... All politics are a type of “identity” politics, sounds like semantics okay. Death and destruction is the end result when people play the constant victim/villain game. People function much better when the individual understand their rights and responsibilities in a free society.

@@kipwonder2233 Well, I'm as American as anyone else, and I don't fit into the five points you categorize as "Americanism". That may be YOUR view of what Americanism is, and that's fine, but it's not mine, and that's fine too. And THAT is Americanism, and one of the key things that differentiates this country from many others -- we can both be Americans whether or not we have anything else in common, and whether or not we even agree on what it means to be American.🤷🏾‍♀️ Edit: Oh -- and I don't think the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery either, I believe it was fought to give the very freedom that allows Americans to disagree but still comprise one country. It wasn't a perfect country in 1776 and it isn't even now, but it tends to trend towards becoming better.

True, until they burn the books and digital sources which tells the truth.

Beautifully said.

I like that!

Yes, not everyone can learn to code. But more can learn skills that can earn them a better living.

I think a lot of people will pick fruit or mow lawns if it pays well enough.

Many Rivers To Cross. Was very accurate. Henry Louis Gates Jr.

I'm with you! I love this country. I want all to succeed. But, what's happening now is only leading to the country being torn apart and the result will 'not' be better!!! Brings me to tears!!!

The ironic thing is that once they're on MSNBC or FOX or any talking heads channel, it's going to be used to serve political and tribal ends. Maybe just a KZfaq/podcast platform is the best place to talk about this.

uxnosidda The talking head echo chamberists on MSNBC couldn't handle McWhorter's independent-minded intelligence. I saw him on Joy Reid's show once, and similar to what you said, she responded not to what he actually said, but what she wanted him to say. The other guest was looking at John as if to say, "Brother, you dont know how this game is played!"

Esteban Nemo ...or anywhere. ☺️

uxnosidda I disagree. They are too smart and strong willed to fall for that. Fox is obviously a joke, but many, unfortunately take MSNBC seriously. Independent voices like Loury and McWhorter would shake up their echo chamber and perhaps cause a few acolytes to question their dogma.

Michelle Graham I agree, but MSNBC needs more independent voices to challenge their echo chamber narrative. No hyperbole, I honestly dont think Joy, Chris or Lawrence could handle Glenn or John.

Well said.

If the university allowed it, that is

@@SeekTheLordJesusChrist7 But the university was never in the way.

It's up there.

Mateo ‘Based’ is the opposite of ‘Woke’ - think about the figures of Plato and Aristotle in Raphael’s “School of Athens” “Based” empirical, data-driven, common-sense, conservative. “Woke” is more heady, narrative-driven, it reflects initiation into a higher state of consciousness (every one is ‘asleep’ or down in Plato’s cave), so it’s hostile to common-sense and less accountable to data. The issue of policing and race is one of the clearest examples of the woke/based divide. It’s “based” to say that more blacks are in prison because they commit more crimes, and “Woke” to say they commit more crimes because they are over-policed. Even is the truth is somewhere in the middle John and Glenn find it closer to the “based” side. The term “based black guy” expresses the kind of patronizing enthusiasm that conservatives express when a black guy has a conservative take, or lends support to a conservative cause.

Glenn made reference to 'how are we going to get beyond 'race' when they call themselves the 2 black guys, not guys, not University profs, etc. at Bloggingheads

@ not even... I mean respected elder family members!

I totally agree. Just a minor point: It would be "ad-feminam", according to Latin.

That was brilliant

You aren’t kidding. I’m struggling against it at my school and quite frankly, it feels like a dangerous fight.

Inner city schools have been fed a steady diet of afrocentric revisionism for a long time.

Karl Toth Scary to hear. My school is an expensive private school with the same issues.