What goes with Rock Pigeons is Pigeon Sh** (and lots of it) and this “professional” turntable brand is full of sh** so maybe they do go to together.😂🤣

When pigeons walk around bobbing their heads they are rockin out!

Lololol!!

Think I'll stick to my dad's old full metal Garrard :D

@@nslouka90 Yeah :D where do they sell headphobes for pigeons.

It is a load of crap

Surely they have Google Translate in China too?

@@liroso maybe Baidu Translate

@@JamesLee-on1yb or maybe Babel Fish?

@S2 turbine BIRD BIRD BIRD IS THE WORD hahaha

Good trat u checked

At least you have some good music to chill with.

I wasn't sure when looking at the video, but, does the weight at the back move to easily, because there might be a screw missing, that when tightened would fit the groove of the back of the tone arm. I suppose it would be a headless screw that goes to a point,

@@orange_light_pictures No, the counterweight is wrong enough for this turntable that a set screw wouldn't fix the problem.

Good to know, were you able to fix the speed issue at 33⅓ RPM then? I mean it sounded decent (apart from the reverse stereo thingy). I wish they would put it at $79 and fix packing and improve QC then it would be a great TT for the price. (gently used, great shape AT-LP60 don't come by often). It would definitely help some people get into vinyl easily without a too steep investment. Some comment was mentioning a "higher end" model from this company that was at least much better packed. Something to keep in mind to help people who want to get into vinyl but don't know where to start. Thanks.

What's reconned to be a good turntable these days? Buying good quality used?

@@chaos.corner I have a Rega RP3 wich is a beginner audiophile grade turntable and it is indeed very lovely although i modded some components like the platter and spindle to have the tt sound even better than it originally was ;-)

The low cost is what surprises me. If you feed the cost of the cheapest 1970s record player (e.g. Fidelity HF42) through an inflation calculator it comes out at about £100. In 1973 the cheapest magnetic cartridges were about £5, equivalent to the price of this turntable today.

Coincidentally, Techmoan recently got a turntable that also had the left and right channels reversed. Lol.

Damn, I assume then that my Sondek is for amateur use only.....whew..good thing I`m an amateur.

Just like the $20$ professional studio headphones!

Wow so my Sansui and Miracord must be toys with no speakers 😅😅

​@@vtjmproductionsusa2390Knobend

That's what the "You Can't Download Vinyl" channel is for :)

MrVinylObsessive only plays records.

Nostalgia is certainly nice, but I'm more in for sound! I'm an "audiophile" first! I would be lying if I said "Nostalgia" wasn't a small part of it! 😁 just subbed to your channel btw!😁

I still prefer those yellow adapters to the cheap adapters they include with turntables these days. With the yellow adapters I can clean the dust off my 45s without the records slipping on the platter. With the turntable adapters they slip like a mofo.

For whatever reason, most of the 45s sold in the country where i live either had a small hole, or an optional peice which you broke off if you wanted a large hole (only the dukebox ones came with the large hole)

@@pineappleroad Interesting! Where are you located if I may ask?

@@TechGorilla1987 UK

You're aware of that not everybody understands sarcasm? ;)

Thing is, I guess, at that price? Can you even expect QC really? Considering where it comes from, this is just cheap plastic crap to try and get one-up on the hundreds of different ceramic cartridge based players that advertise the same features at the same price point.... at least it has a magnetic AT3600L cartridge which is very good, but the arm, bearings and counterweight assembly, and lid packing are really only worth a facepalm... But at this price, can you really expect better? And any form of QC? When you're looking at the AT-LP60X and above, then yes, QC is expected, and mostly does it's job - some dodgy ones do get through, but at least AT are more particular about their products, and have a reputation to maintain, but who are "One-By One" and their "Rock Pigeon"?

@@stevesstuff1450 In 1979 the cheapest new turntable I could find, a Garrard SP25MK6 was about the same price as this, and that is not taking into account inflation. It wasn't great either. The first one didn't work properly, while all of that model suffered from a poorly designed cartridge mount that would lose contact every couple of months.

@@MrDuncl : Yeah, the cartridge slide mount has always been a weak point - same with similar BSR models; I have the BSR P128R in my little collection, and it works beautifully; however, the bloody cartridge slide does need regular cleaning! Mechanically, both the Garrard, and BSR are sound decks (they do play a fraction fast, but that's a standard with them and can't be corrected), and they have stood the test of time very well, and if in good mechanical condition, they can fetch good money on Ebay nowadays! They both were the audiophile-on-a-budget turntables, and can still turn in a damn good performance even today! :-)

What's QC?

@@fcmhockeyvideos Quality Control

Also this whole cartridge can be upgraded.

@@jerryspann8713 would you really do that on that arm?

Ceramic cartridges are real. Get your snob attitude in check.

@@alkestos that doesn't mean they're good (ik there's exceptions but usually they're not)

@SharrelWright the title of the video literally says turntable

I like that track, but as far as my search is concerned, no way to listen it in decent quality other than this video which to me sounds the best...

@@tarstarkusz Crosley actually has better. C62 (includes speakers), C100, C8 (external belt), C200 (direct drive), C3 (triangular plinth), K100A (includes Bluetooth speakers), and K200A (direct drive, includes Bluetooth speakers). But they are all over $200, except the C3, which is under $100.

@@tarstarkusz I haven't tried looking it up on KZfaq. Try the C200, it's the same turntable without the speakers. It's a Technics SL1200 clone from Hanpin in Taiwan, similar to the Audio Technica AT-LP140, only it's a 2 speed. It even has an AT cartridge. When people think Crosley, they think Crosley Criuser, which is a cheap Sunwin suitcase player from China.

@@tarstarkusz My usual concern with cheap turntables is ruining the records, at lease with a proper cartridge, this one should be safe to use.

@@paulstubbs7678 even a Crosley Cruiser won't ruin your records, we used to tape nickels to head of record players when I was a kid. I grew up playing an original Beatles white album on a record player with a nickel taped to the head. No damage done.

@@tarstarkusz Cheap record players still sound better than compressed digital, digital is the worst thing that happened to sound and video recordings

I've had exactly the same issue.

And a replacement cartridge for your real turntable. lol

Really? MJ's 'Thriller' back in the '80's was probably no more than $20 and I bought an excellent used original for only $10 on eBay several years ago and later I found a second original copy three or four years ago at an antique store for only $3, but by all means, waste $50 or $60 on a reissue. To each his or her own. Haha! I see your point though comparing the cost of this turntable to the cost of a reissue 'Thriller' record. :)

@@TorontoJon Yeah I was more comparing the value of the turntable to the record. Not saying Thriller is worth a fortune or anything (especially since it's the best selling album and has no chance of rarity unless the MiniDisc releases become even more scarce).

It is also interesting that it didn't get claimed...

Not only do we get to hear obscure shoulda-been-hit tracks on this channel, we get to hear them in their entirety, as their use evades KZfaq's content match software.

@@rogerb5615 - it's the artists who claim the copyright, not KZfaq. So this loser band just don't care... any airplay is good airplay.

Except that Crosley now sells many turntables which are far superior to this one, including their C series (C6, C8, C10, C100, C200, etc.).

I think the one you get at a retailer is genuine; what you get with these, i don't know, and whether you get anything at all.

Essentially, by offloading the QC work onto the customer, and with how you may need to do a few returns to get one you can tolerate, they brought some of the purchase price down by increasing the opportunity cost. So those who can afford another $20-30 to save the hassle will do so; while those who need the basic version have to put up with more of this crap.

If they pump out 1 million of that trash is easy to calculate why they will put paper screws if it's possible.

I wonder if the damage is from the lid banging into the base during shipping? Maybe some silicone bumpers at the corner of the dust cover would save them on returns?

@@dashcamandy2242 I suspect they'd still net more profit not providing such protection. Many people don't bother returning stuff like this, so long as the core functionality is still there. It seems like the kinda thing that'd oftentimes be bought as a gift, too.

@@dashcamandy2242 just one of those foam bags around the cover when shipping would probably help. Another thought. I wonder if this was a customer return already.

No, a linear volume control causes all of the "action" to occur at the minimum settings. A log pot is used to even it out so 50% loudness occurs at midpoint, rather than at 10% rotation. This probably uses a linear pot to send a voltage signal to an electronic volume control IC, since that is the way most modern circuits are configured. The reason is that it allows the cheapest single gang linear pot to be used on a stereo system, or even 2.1 channel or even surround sound as well.

Yes I thought it looked like there was a hole for a grub screw or set screw or the like. That would make sense.

Even if it fit correctly, the counterweight I got is still not correct for this turntable, because even with it as far forward as it can go, for the heaviest tracking force, I could not get it up to the 3.5 grams that is recommended for the AT3600L cartridge.

@@vwestlife Yes I agree, it's the wrong counterweight. What I meant was that it's the "intended" one and they designed it wrongly, rather than they sent the wrong piece.

I was working on an index myself, but thanks!

this

A linear potentiometer would result in the volume changes being more substantial at the low end. My guess here is that instead of attenuating the signal directly the knob only sends a control voltage to the amplifier chip. If the amplifier is designed to take a linear control signal instead of a 'corrected' one then a double 'correction' like we hear here could result.

@@eDoc2020 - yes, correct. It probably uses a single gang linear pot and a digital volume control chip.

I thought it was a sarcastic joke. They sounded really lame to me, and I was buying hundreds of records back in that era.

​@@johncoops6897 lame? It's an awesome album, shame you'll never hear it in full unlike me ;)

@@DeathlySin - I am glad I haven't heard any more of their album.

@@johncoops6897 you sound very boring tbh.

I had to check my earphones to make sure I was wearing the right sides!

Was looking for this. I’ve seen cheap guitars with the same issue on their tone and/or volume pots which can be easily fixed for a little soldering and a couple cheap replacement parts. I do find it deliciously, albeit mildly, ironic how the genuinely-linear response potentiometer has the un-linear perceived action, due to our own hearing’s logarithmic curve existing and applying on top of our perceptions.

Yep, Dual is king.

@@westelaudio943 I had a Dual. Unfortunately, it had the proprietary, Ortofon cartridge mount.

thomas allertz ...When I was in the U.S. Navy, way back in the early 1970's ( yea, I am now 70 ....oh boy..!! ), I had a Dual 1229-Q turntable. I think it came with a great Shure M91 ED cartridge. I had a very nice component system and some really good speakers. I played thousands of hours of music on it. A number of years later while I still had my system and everything still worked, I decided to try another Shure cartridge, the M95 ( maybe M95ED...cannot remember...too many years ago now...lol..! ). I didn't like it. It wasn't as warm and rich as the M91ED.

I noticed it gets worse the heavier the record on the platter is. So it's probably mostly due to the cheapo no-name motor they used.

I wondered if the RCA jacks on the back are reversed, which could be easily remedied by reversing the cables for the one set of jack inputs.

Probably a fake.

Thought the same thing.

Yes! You can never have enough pressings of "thriller"!

Except I’ve already had it for over 30 years and don’t need another copy.

A real turkey of a joke.

The audience throws rocks at comments like that.

Discogs has a few dozen copies. Summer Olympics in the 1980s featured this song, and was also in a movie that who knows the name.