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The 2019 Book of Common Prayer

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R. Grant Jones

R. Grant Jones

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A brief review of the Anglican Church in North America's 2019 Book of Common Prayer (the ACNA's 2019 BCP). ISBN: 9781732344846.
The text block is sewn; the paper is heavy and opaque, but glossy; the font is large (12 or 13 points).
The cover is imitation leather. The volume does not lie open easily near the table of contents.
It is also available in hardback. ISBN: 9780997921168. The hardcover is smaller. My guess is it has a ~11 pt font.
Video contents:
00:00 Introduction, exterior, paper
01:19 The paper
01:35 The font
01:46 The text block is sewn
02:00 Introductory material
03:13 The table of contents
04:32 Additional introductory material
06:24 Morning prayer
07:42 The Eucharist
09:08 The Nicene Creed and the filioque
10:38 The Eucharist (continued)
14:54 The New Coverdale Psalter
15:18 The calendar and lectionary
18:16 The Athanasian Creed
19:06 The 39 Articles
19:46 Summary

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@Blakefan2520
@Blakefan2520 2 жыл бұрын
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@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind comment, Adam!
@larrym.johnson9219
@larrym.johnson9219 2 жыл бұрын
Came to see if I missed anything new, I appreciate as always your reviews I have heard of this edition of the BCP your review was the most comprehensive I thank you for doing it.
@billysitompul2704
@billysitompul2704 2 жыл бұрын
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@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind comment, Billy! May God bless you and yours also!
@danivuk2036
@danivuk2036 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always.
@purposepowerlove
@purposepowerlove Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thanks for the tour.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind comment!
@ggarza
@ggarza 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Wishing the best for our friends in the ACNA.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind comment, Gil!
@jonathan-wh4pg
@jonathan-wh4pg 2 жыл бұрын
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@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind comment!
@biblereviews934
@biblereviews934 Жыл бұрын
Hello! Thank you for this video. It's a big help to have that for my Personal prayer life, I wish to have that. We don't have that here in the Philippines. I pray to have my own copy this Christmas.
@Haexz1
@Haexz1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great vid as always, I 100% agree with your comments about the modernised language in the summary section. Been using the 1662 since I became a Christian for morning/evening prayer and have tried to move to the 2000 'common worship daily prayer' (from the CoE) and this 2019 bcp (which is superior to common worship imo) but each time it just sort of feels wrong/peculiar to have set prayers in contemporary English. I guess this is how kjv onlyists feel in some way lol.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting, Haexz1. I suppose the change to modern language is based on a desire to make the service more accessible and more likely to appeal to young people. But I greatly prefer the older, more reverential English. Regarding the KJV onlyists, yes; and I imagine the TLM folks have a similar feeling.
@flyingisaac2186
@flyingisaac2186 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones I think the 'young people' of legend prefer the old language and some older people might see the modern language as practical. Huge font for the only large format BCP I own uses the size to cram in more text.
@dalecaldwell
@dalecaldwell 2 жыл бұрын
I have been enjoying using this book for several months. I bought first the edition you have. Mine seemed to be without any of the printing problem yours has, but I gave it to a fiend because I thought it to be too floppy for convenience and bought the hardback, which is a more convenient size, does indeed open flat, ad has the same glossy pape.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information, dale! I may have to pick up a copy of the hardback. Too bad about the glossy paper.
@ma-mo
@ma-mo 2 жыл бұрын
I've been hoping for this review. I have the same edition (and also wish I'd opted for the hardcover) but, perhaps paradoxically, I can't firm up my own opinion of it until I hear what Dr. Jones has to say on the subject.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting, Moving About and Manipulating Objects! dale, an accidental hermit, who commented here has had both and prefers the hardback. Guessing from the book dimensions, the hardback must have a smaller font, perhaps 11 points, and since it is reported to lie open without assistance, it's probably the one to choose. By the way, does your copy have any of the flaws I showed (corner coming unglued, crooked line of stitching, blotch over the print)?
@ma-mo
@ma-mo 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones I've not noticed any of those splotches or printing mishaps in mine. Just now I went to the page where yours has the splotches, and all looks fine. The corners likewise are holding, although there's a certain amount of sloppiness in one that could be a problem in the future. I haven't used this volume much, sadly. I prefer the Oxford ’28 or (more recently) the IVP International Edition 1662. Thanks again, as always, for your thorough reviews.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
@@ma-mo - thanks for the information.
@ThriftStoreBibles
@ThriftStoreBibles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this overview! It's an interesting attempt to create a modern language BCP that respects the work of Cranmer. I also prefer the traditional language, but this seems like a great option for those who want contemporary language. I'd love to see it with matte paper and a smaller size - I'm surprised how large it is!
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
For some reason, I didn't pay any attention to dimensions when I ordered it, so I was somewhat surprised when I opened the box. Thanks for commenting, Miserable Offender!
@Tax_Buster
@Tax_Buster 2 жыл бұрын
A traditional language edition will come out next month. It will be green.
@jldrumm
@jldrumm 2 жыл бұрын
A smaller abridged version is coming out soon in red hardcover.
@ThriftStoreBibles
@ThriftStoreBibles 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen both those versions reviewed on YT, I think by Ben Jeffries. Interesting to see the options the ACNA is coming up with.
@ma-mo
@ma-mo 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThriftStoreBibles while I love options (and will likely purchase a Traditional Language Edition) it seems they've very quickly jettisoned the Common from Common Prayer.
@matthaeusprime6343
@matthaeusprime6343 2 жыл бұрын
The way the Anglican liturgical calendar is set up is strikingly similar to the current Roman Catholic calendar. I only know this because I'm Roman Catholic. I was surprised to see some of the optional or ecumenical feasts include popes.
@Sybok51288
@Sybok51288 2 жыл бұрын
they even have some of the Elizabethan Catholic martyrs in there! but the 1979 has as well i think
@mengbomin
@mengbomin 2 жыл бұрын
The Athanasian Creed was omitted from the American prayer book in 1789 because Socinianism was in vogue at the time and that opening line seemed rather uncharitable to such unitarians. While is identification of the Holy Ghost as being "of the Father and of the Son" immediately before describing him as proceeding does betray the influence of the filioque on the writer of the creed, I don't think it's quite as problematic as the filioque itself is, in part because the original is in Latin and is specifically part of Western patrimony, like the Apostles' Creed. Part of the problem with the filioque is that the word procédit was understood by the Latins to have both ontological and economical valences, whereas the Greeks understand the word ἐκπορευόμενον that it translates to be strictly ontological. Since the Greeks do accept that the Son sends the Spirit economically and this is of Latin sourcing, I don't think it excludes them. I realize I am threading a needle here, but I would prefer not to lose a creed of Western patrimony that has been historically omitted for the appeasement of an actual heresy (Socinianism) because of linguistic misunderstandings between East and West.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that very informative comment, Benjamin! Yes, I can see that an Orthodox Christian could interpret the Athanasian Creed in a way that would allow him to say it. About 10% of my viewers are Orthodox, so I think I'll post a poll question to gauge their reaction.
@timtrogdon4869
@timtrogdon4869 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the hardback edition is a smaller, handy size as is the traditional language edition.
@jeffreyjourdonais298
@jeffreyjourdonais298 10 ай бұрын
I especially like the ACNA 2019 BCP in red calfskin, wish I could find a nice 1979 in a premium leather.
@davidl7200
@davidl7200 2 жыл бұрын
If you don't mind me asking, what book reviews or videos do you have planned for this spring? I love your videos!
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for the encouraging comment! I still have a number of Bibles I haven't gotten around to reviewing (e.g., the Nelson NET Bible and the Harper Collins Study Bible (NRSV)), along with a few that have been recommended to me that are perhaps worth purchasing (e.g., the Berean Study Bible, the Ave Catholic Notetaking Bible). But I may decide to drop everything else (KZfaq related) soon and get back to work on an unfinished Douay-Rheims/KJV comparison video. Apart from one for the 1662 BCP that made a cameo appearance in this video, I can't think of any other book reviews likely to appear in the near term.
@davidl7200
@davidl7200 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones Thank you for the reply. I will say on behalf of everyone that we appreciate your effort on the many videos you have produced. I can tell that the reasons you pursue this endeavor are noble indeed, as I imagine this project is quite time-consuming for you.
@jimmu2008
@jimmu2008 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones I think the reviews I have enjoyed the most are those that review Bibles that I already have. I have the first edition of the Harper Collins Study Bible and the Nelson NET Bible. The former I used to read those Apocrypha books not included in the Catholic canon, and the latter I found used but in like new condition at Half Price Books. There are some Catholic translations I would like to see reviews on. First, there's the New Catholic Bible published by The Catholic Book Publishing Corp. I have the New Testament and the Psalms (in separate volumes/in paperback), but not the whole Bible yet. I am held back by the price, which seems high considering the quality of the materials, and the fact that I have not seen any quality reviews. But the notes are more conservative than the NABRE or JB series notes. There's also the New Community Bible. I recently bought a copy, and I am pleased with the quality -- not great but very good for a full Bible in the twenty dollar range. For one, it has a sewn binding and lays open and fairly flat at any page. There's also its predecessor, the Christian Community Bible.
@rhettm8309
@rhettm8309 Жыл бұрын
A very thoughtful and learned review, as always! Do you feel the faux leather binding will hold up to the weight of the text block? I have the cloth over board version, which is smaller. And even though it is only a few years old, the paste down binding is no match for the weight of the text block and is already beginning to tear away from it. Either the paper should have been of lesser stock, a more substantial binding used, or both. I hope to either buy the faux leather you reviewed or the split calfskin version, or rebind my current copy as I have some notes in it.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones Жыл бұрын
'Do you feel the faux leather binding will hold up to the weight of the text block?' Yes. Thanks for commenting!
@jimmu2008
@jimmu2008 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video! I've been thinking about getting the hardback edition since I heard about this version just a month ago. I used to use the 1979 version. I am interested also in the 1928 and 1662 versions, but actually using Elizabethan English in private prayer feels a bit forced and unnatural to me. I may buy this edition some day. BTW, have you seen the ACNA edition of the ESV with apocrypha?
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the encouraging comment, James! No, I haven't seen a copy of the ACNA ESV. I understand that it's basically a pew Bible with a smallish font.
@jimmu2008
@jimmu2008 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones You're welcome. Say, I am curious about the status of your KJV-DR comparison project. On hold or abandoned?
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmu2008 - on hold. I may take it up again in the next few weeks.
@jimmu2008
@jimmu2008 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones Good to hear. Have you thought about narrowing it down a bit or breaking it into smaller videos? About the Anglican ESV... I read that it has book introductions, something I wish the ESV-CE had.
@Psalm144.1
@Psalm144.1 2 жыл бұрын
I have this version. I think with extended use it would fall apart. My opinion is the cloth over board will last longer.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect you're right. Thanks for commenting!
@AmericanShia786
@AmericanShia786 2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping you would review the 2019 BCP. I always like to get your insights into various publications. While I prefer the language of the 1662 and the 1928 BCPs, I don't mind the modernized language. I even purchased their Goatskin New Coverdale Psalter so that I could take the Psalter with me when I travel. As you do, I prefer the Creeds without the Filioque clause. There are even Orthodox versions of the Athanasian Creed. Unfortunately, no parenthesis was placed around the Filioque in the Athanasian Creed. Its probably just an oversight. Now that I know why mid-20th Century modern liturgists added a congregational proclamation of the Mystery of Faith, I have even a greater preference for the traditional canon. Having the congregation recite during the Eucharistic Canon is borrowed from the Mozarabic Rite used in Muslim Spain. It may have encouraged Christians under Muslim rule, but I find it distracting, since those pillars of Orthodox Christian faith are already professed in the Creed. The original Muslim rulers over those Christians were tolerant. It was when the Almohads and Almoravids conquered the previous Muslim rulers and began forced conversions that the Christians being persecuted might have been encouraged by that declaration. I see the Mystery of Faith proclamation as more of a protest against the Traditional Latin Mass by 20th Century liturgists. But, I digress. I am sad that your copy has imperfections. My copy was fine. Please continue these fine reviews. They are greatly appreciated, even if I already own a copy of the book.
@Tax_Buster
@Tax_Buster 2 жыл бұрын
The ACNA is coming up with a Traditional Language edition of 2019 BCP, which will be green in color. A video review thereof is already available here on KZfaq.
@icxcnikalastname3317
@icxcnikalastname3317 2 жыл бұрын
I have the hardback pew edition. I don't like the glossy magazine-like paper in the deluxe edition nor the corner peeling loose inside the front cover. The pew edition is far superior
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
That's useful information, IXCXNIKA Last Name!
@Basiloftheplains
@Basiloftheplains 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you know the answer or have an idea. In Orthodoxy, it "Lord have mercy" three times (or 12 or 40). But in Anglican prayer books, it's "Lord have mercy. Christ have mercy. Lord have mercy." Why that change?
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Alec - I'm not sure why it's been reduced to three petitions. The Latin mass had included a nine-fold Kyrie (3 Kyries, 3 Christes, 3 Kyries) since Gregory the Great's time. Cranmer's 1552 prayer book transformed the Kyrie into a recitation of the Ten Commandments, with "Lord, have mercy upon us ..." as a response to each commandment. So essentially you had 10 Kyries, but all in English. At some point, the full recitation of the Ten Commandments became optional. So the summary of the law ("Hear what our Lord Jesus Christ saith: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God ...), along with a three-fold Kyrie (Kyrie, Christe, Kyrie) was introduced for use when the Ten Commandments were omitted. But why only three? Massey Shepherd doesn't explain that in his prayer book commentary.
@samueljones5421
@samueljones5421 2 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, if someone were interested in possibly switching to anglicanism from a different denomination which is better, 1928? 2019? Both?
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the '28 book myself, but I also like several of the changes made in the 2019 book (e.g., the return of the creed to its original wording). Nothing prevents anyone from attending a congregation that uses one book and reading a different one for private devotions.
@samueljones5421
@samueljones5421 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones whats your opinion on the 1662?
@Sybok51288
@Sybok51288 2 жыл бұрын
@@samueljones5421 not anglican or protestant, but best you visit a few and find a church that feels more "home". 1662/1928 are different in only minor aspects. 1979 and this 2019 BCP is more like the 1969 Roman Catholic reform of Mass (which was/is radically different than the pre-1968 Mass, which Dr. Grant's recent People's Prayer Book is similar to) anglicanism itself is very diverse it its liturgy. which is best is up to you in what fulfills you spiritually and brings you closer to God. here is a video of how the 1662 would of been historically celebrated at like a common parish or gathering from 1600s until late 1800s kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e7-gjJt7rbObhZc.html , if you youtube 1662 high church you would find some that are a bit different despite using same words from the prayer book.
@samueljones5421
@samueljones5421 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sybok51288 thanks! I will definitely check that out.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones Жыл бұрын
@@samueljones5421 - Sorry for the delay in responding. KZfaq didn't notify me of your comment, and I just came across it. I've never been to a service where the 1662 book was used, and personally I read the '28 American book for Morning and Evening Prayer. So my experience with it is limited.
@jwgriswold
@jwgriswold 2 жыл бұрын
I saw a video where you reviewed the Douay-Rheims Bible. In it you mentioned that your Cameo Bible had more of the Apocrypha than the Douay-Rheims Bible. What is the Cameo Bible? Why would the Douay-Rheims Bible not have a complete Apocrypha, since it is a Catholic Bible? Thank you.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
The Cameo is an edition of the King James Bible published by Cambridge. I reviewed it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hthyi6t5nZzTYmw.html . Catholic Bibles published in English usually include only those books recognized as canonical by the Council of Trent.
@jwgriswold
@jwgriswold 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones I watched your video about the Cameo Bible. Thank you for the link. As you recommended in your other video, the Douay-Rheims 1635 edition sounds good. Do you know where to locate this in a single book format? I can only find the Challoner version in a single book format. Thank you for all that you do.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
@@jwgriswold - I found a .pdf of the 1635 edition online. I can't recall now whether it was at archive.org or at Google books. I don't think I've ever seen it in paper.
@jwgriswold
@jwgriswold 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones Thank you. I will check those places out.
@hassanmirza2392
@hassanmirza2392 2 жыл бұрын
Dr. Jones, I have an IMPORTANT question. In Churches do Christians keep commemorating the destruction of the 2nd Jewish Temple in 70 CE? Is this a topic of interest among Churchgoers? I got obsessed with the topic of the destruction of the 2nd temple, it was horrible. Jerusalem became hell on earth during the last few months. According to Islamic scholars, it became a small sample of hell on earth (hell will be something like that in the afterlife), and this was the Judgement that God pronounced within one generation of the passing of Jesus, as Jesus was predicting.
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Hassan - not to my knowledge. I believe that New Testament texts in which Jesus predicts the destruction of the church are regularly read in some churches, but I don't know of one that lists the destruction of Jerusalem in its calendar. On the other hand, I haven't done a thorough study of the various liturgical calendars in use, so I could be wrong.
@hassanmirza2392
@hassanmirza2392 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones Then it must have been well remembered in Synagogues. Jews fast on the dates of the destruction of 1st and 2nd Tempels.
@hassanmirza2392
@hassanmirza2392 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGrantJones Apparently they have a whole month of Lamentations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B%27Av
@tanksgt
@tanksgt 2 жыл бұрын
I pray the Athanasian Creed with Prime most every Sunday morning.
@jimmu2008
@jimmu2008 2 жыл бұрын
They misspelled Kalendar. 😉
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@jimmu2008
@jimmu2008 2 жыл бұрын
I just learned that there's going to be a traditional language version of the 2019 Book of Common Prayer. See here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fr1pY9J6vLK7YWw.html
@RGrantJones
@RGrantJones 2 жыл бұрын
That's fantastic, James! Definitely the edition for me. I was amused and very pleased to hear that they've rendered the more modern prayers into Old Church English.
@davegarciaofficial
@davegarciaofficial 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review! But a Small respectful suggestion.. move the mic a little farther away. The hard S’s and consonant pops and crackles on every word gets a little grating after awhile. That’s a mic thing, not the way you speak :)
@Tax_Buster
@Tax_Buster 2 жыл бұрын
You should have your defective copy replaced.
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