The $25 Handheld Everyone is Talking About
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Күн бұрынThe DataFrog SF2000 is a dirt-cheap handheld that is advertised to play NES, SNES, Genesis, Game Boy/Color, and GBA. At this price how good is the experience?
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Timestamps:
00:00 introduction
00:48 unboxing and impressions
01:56 controls and ergonomics
06:18 microSD, video out, and teardown
08:08 software experience
10:40 NES game testing
12:48 Game Boy, Game Boy Color, GBA
15:04 Genesis, Arcade, and SNES
18:22 summary (likes and dislikes)
19:42 conclusion
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@RetroGameCorps Жыл бұрын
Two points for your consideration: 1. Yes I tried all sorts of tricks to get the AV out to work, including plugging it in when the device was off, changing NTSC/PAL, etc. Nothing worked. 2. Wow, you all seem to really like the sound of cats dying
@RetroTamGames Жыл бұрын
but did you try to plug it in backwards? many times the cables they send are reversed.
@RetroGameCorps Жыл бұрын
@@RetroTamGames yes, did that too 😎
@MyNameIsBucket Жыл бұрын
Is it only two RCA cables? In my experience, some TVs will misbehave if you're only using mono sound. Unless there are 3 cables plugged in they simply won't detect a signal.
@markusaurelius4015 Жыл бұрын
Did you try rubbing your tummy while patting your head..?
@RetroGameCorps Жыл бұрын
@@MyNameIsBucket my CRT TV works fine with just one or two of the cables plugged in! It’s very common for cheap handhelds to ship with AV cables but that the video out doesn’t actually work, I’ve seen that more often than not. My guess is that is what’s happening here.
@linuxgeex Жыл бұрын
From my POV one of the most attractive features is the 18650 and I've been mind boggled that none of the retro consoles have gone this route because that is both cheap to implement, and a very user-friendly feature. No worries about battery life. Carry a spare or three. Charge one while you're playing. Never have to put the device down to charge, never have to use a cable while you play. Many people have 18650 chargers already for vape, flashlight, bike lights, and I wish there was legislation forcing manufacturers to use 18650 instead of proprietary batteries except where the device needs to be thinner.
@ccricers Жыл бұрын
And you can already more than double the capacity with a replacement since the stock one is 1500 mAh.
@PPlankBeam Жыл бұрын
ALL devices (phones, tablets, SteamDeck) should have easily replaceable batteries so you can swap them out on the go without having to wait for a charge.
@Austin70000 3 ай бұрын
Especially since a lot of proprietary batteries (especially laptops) are 18650's with a bit of circuitry and a fancy main "shell"
@Drivenby Жыл бұрын
At this point I dont really watch rgc to buy new devices (although he does make things very tempting) but more because the content itself is just fun to watch ;)
@nefariou5 Жыл бұрын
i'm the opposite, i have to stop myself from buying everything. even devices like this which clearly lead to disappointment and frustration once the novelty dies down, look so cool
@hotchoclateguy Жыл бұрын
@@nefariou5 same, i dont need it but i want it
@F3ralghoul Жыл бұрын
When I say I watch this channel daily I'm not exaggerating. Russ is a great content creator so much so I'd watch any type of content from him really.
@eviankatsu Жыл бұрын
i'm the exact same way, I've never bought one of these handheld emulators but the more I watch russ's content the more I'm interested in picking one up
@beowulf1417 Жыл бұрын
No one could make this tempting unless you're looking for a cheap kid's toy 😂
@RobertHMayfire Жыл бұрын
Best RGC opening! 😂
@doxdox54 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely true Bro. Best intro ever 🎉
@mvanalst2003 Жыл бұрын
Can agree. 😂
@doxdox54 Жыл бұрын
@@mvanalst2003 🐈 cats dying singing FF3 theme 😂😂😂
@briangarvin8867 Жыл бұрын
More attitude in H2 2023!! HA!
@WickedGamerCollector Жыл бұрын
Totally agree 😂😂
@fatburdo Жыл бұрын
I really like these devices under 30 dollars when they're competent enough, it's a limited experience but it has its use cases, great to gift to smaller children, and they're pretty popular here in Brazil since the conversion rates from Dollar to Real are so bad, lower wage people also like something to play on the bus! That "Sup" console sold so well here and it's just a famiclone. I'd like more videos like this one because my co-workers will sometimes ask for recommendations like this for their nieces, nephews, grandmas.
@Leon-bp6kb Жыл бұрын
All these handhelds are trash, you can get used android phone and telescopic controller for cheaper that will be many times more powerful and better experience
@wordsmith451 Жыл бұрын
@@Leon-bp6kb the retro handheld community buys retro handhelds because WE DON'T WANT A PHONE WITH A TELESCOPIC CONTROLLER. I'm sure you think you're clever but we've all heard it a thousand times.
@fatburdo Жыл бұрын
@@Leon-bp6kb also the trash handhelds are cheaper than a telescopic controller lmao
@wenaldy Жыл бұрын
In Indonesia these Sup handheld is also popular 😂. Great for kids.
@Xfade81 Жыл бұрын
They are barely competent and are an eyesore. They really aren't a great gift.
@tyrantrex734 11 ай бұрын
The most impressive part of this $25 device is the fact that it has USB-C
@Josuh 4 ай бұрын
We truly livin in da future
@stormthrush37 Жыл бұрын
I love how we've come so far with gaming, miniaturization, and mass production that now, flaws aside, what amounts to a SNES controller can fit in your pocket and play thousands of games from multiple systems, all for just $25.
@legionandsons8763 Жыл бұрын
This isn't the case here sadly. This thing is awful the games don't run that well, most games are copies which comes with all retro systems 99% of all these handhelds aren't worth even $5. There's some amazing handhelds out there but they don't cost anything close to this crap 😂
@CJ_725 11 ай бұрын
@@legionandsons8763 "they arent even worth 5 dollars" ok then, build a handheld emulator/console with less then 5$
@ZombieMan44 7 ай бұрын
@@legionandsons8763 Ah damn, but here I am playing Golden Axe and Earthworm Jim flawlessly on my 15 dollars retro handheld.
@kooaid9 2 ай бұрын
@@CJ_725fr this guys sounds so spoiled like bro it’s 5 BUCKS what do you WANT!?? You can’t even buy a damn cheeseburger from most places for that price 😂
@jimjim292 25 күн бұрын
@@ZombieMan44 15 dollar not 15 dollars
@SadVIad 10 ай бұрын
Very indepth and informative review. Even after being aware of the flaws, I think you have sold me on this. Definitely picking it up.
@NickJaime Жыл бұрын
Showing my son something like this and then letting him play just opens my eyes. Since he wouldn't even notice the stuff you mentioned. I wouldn't be able to not see it. Just reminds me of how I could happily play like him. Then as an adult, I go back and see the games I played and my jaw drops because how could I have played it?
@frontiercat8568 Жыл бұрын
I guess there's just a fascination we have with devices really pushing the lower limit of cheap. But when almost everything is a little wrong and half of it is really wrong, I can't find the same sort of enthusiasm some people have. I do think if they had a curated selection of games that actually worked on the device it'd at least fill that niche of being something you could buy for a kid.
@medes5597 Жыл бұрын
There's a working custom firmware that works on this device as of now, with other widely used custom firmwares for these style of devices being worked on. Currently the custom firmware runs everything much better and with none of the same glaring issues. If you're just going to use it out the box then I agree with you. But with minimal effort you can make it better. Give it six months for the firmware to get to 1.0 and the others to support it and I'd say this will be more than worth it.
@Gravijahz Жыл бұрын
isn't that most handhelds in a nutshell? especially when you can get smartphones with faster chips for cheaper.
@beowulf1417 Жыл бұрын
This. These devices are nothing new. Wish and other platforms have been selling them for about 10 years now and considering the price points of actual good handhelds (like most Anbernic models) are so low (sub $200) that there's no point being *this* cheap unless you're buying it for a child or incapable of saving up money for something actually worth buying.
@frontiercat8568 Жыл бұрын
@@Gravijahz That would come down to personal opinion but the $100 devices certainly meet a different standard. There may be drawbacks in the design and emulation for each of them but you're getting a device that will play a wide range of consoles/games at good quality out of the box.
@bnister Жыл бұрын
Don't spread misinformation please. Only 2 tools to modify the stock firmware have been released, and the chip at the heart of this handheld does not make it easy to port a custom. It's not your common Linux AllWinner yknow.
@JonathanHolt1988 Жыл бұрын
Been hoping you'd do a video on this! That "Alright, fine" at the beginning was so funny
@Myjacob99 9 ай бұрын
These have recently went under the $15 price so for that you cant go wrong, they also released a firmware update that smooths out snes and GBA.
@epicnessbrian5295 8 ай бұрын
smooth gba for 15$ sounds heavenly
@ZombieMan44 7 ай бұрын
There are some folks that have been able to run 3D games with it too, the community is strong with this small cheap handheld
@Everything-Wii 2 ай бұрын
It seems so much better now. This review is certainly outdated.
@CoastlinesCollide Ай бұрын
where do you get the firmware?
@Everything-Wii Ай бұрын
@@CoastlinesCollide Search of tadpole sf2000. It can update your firmware.
@Yixdy Жыл бұрын
The fact that it takes an 18650 is genuinely amazing, all of these devices could learn a thing or two from datafrog, apparently
@Boogie_the_cat Жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm all for easy compatibility and replacement, but having your device run on a beast like the 18650 implies a certain "thicc-ness" that many disdain. But it sure helps keep cost down. I'm not knocking it at all, I'm just trying to look at it from the perspective of 'kids these days' who like every mobile device to be so thin that you can shave with it.
@gorebish7950 Жыл бұрын
@@Boogie_the_cat i dont care about thickness, and a device that uses 18650 means that you can buy like 3 of those batteries, charge them, now you have 3 times the battery life. Hot swappable batteries means there is no battery anxiety.
@beef-o-juice Жыл бұрын
@@gorebish7950 just remember to travel with a screwdriver lol
@samnite3 Жыл бұрын
@@gorebish7950 The first Miyoo Mini version (literally the first model not the V2 model) as well as the V90 have replaceable battery options. I wish more products would embrace that too.
@HellHatch666 Жыл бұрын
@@beef-o-juice at 25 bucks I would just install a thumb screw at that point who cares lol, its kind of a mad max console anyway!
@Walter_Sobchak_43 9 ай бұрын
Received mine two weeks ago (almost 2 1/2 months after this review). Everything functions correctly and they do have a favorites folder now. I got mine for $16 on Aliexpress and couldn't be happier with the purchase. Only issue is that some of the more advanced games freeze or are too slow to enjoy playing. Overall, I highly recommend this for someone new to retro handhelds or as a gift.
@White25390 Жыл бұрын
your videos helped me to finally get a portable emulator. Amongst so many options your reviews are clear, objective and very informative. Thank you!
@jmffer Жыл бұрын
what'd you end up going with?
@forty2retro Жыл бұрын
And are you happy with it?
@burnzy3210 Жыл бұрын
What did you end up buying? :)
@mattdavis9601 Жыл бұрын
I hope you didn't end up with this one.
@qwertious Жыл бұрын
^ The four types of people on the internet
@marcusgurley9495 Жыл бұрын
This is PERFECT for my little cousins! I was looking for some used DS systems, but this is great for them to be introduced to gaming. Thanks!
@Wild_Cat Жыл бұрын
What emulators/frontend does it use?
@minzinho6787 Жыл бұрын
This thing looks amazing for the price. I enjoy modding this kind of stuff, the fact it's mainly d pad and button issues makes it a really easy fix. The 18650 vape battery thing is a great bonus too.
@extract8058 11 ай бұрын
It's NOT a great bonus. Those types of batteries are extremely volatile and prone to exploding. Yes, you read that correctly, I mean quite LITERALLY EXPLODING. How do I know? Because it actually happened to me and almost killed me. No wonder this piece of junk is so cheap. It's powered by a cheaply made ticking time bomb.
@888kham 10 ай бұрын
@@extract8058 The reason they explode is because those who vape push the envelope of the battery's discharge capability. Most people don't understand different 18650 cells discharge capability or they buy the cheapest of the cheap. Safest bet for something like this is to buy a protected 18650 battery that has over charging and discharging cut off.
@ZombieMan44 7 ай бұрын
@@extract8058 notebooks, battery banks and tons of other gadgets use 18650 type batteries lol your personal experience accounts to absolutely nothing
@peejae082004 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully more handhelds use 18650 batteries. 2-4 pcs of them in parallel can give really good battery capacity, not to mention they're cheap and easily available anywhere too.
@PPlankBeam Жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes. I've been saying this for ages. 🙂 ALL devices (phones, tablets, SteamDeck) should have easily replaceable batteries so you can swap them out on the go without having to wait for a charge.
@KRAFTWERK2K6 11 ай бұрын
They are for sure way better than those BL-5C batteries. But personally i'd prefer standard AAA or AA batteries....
@geerhead Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the pocketgo s30 which first introduced me to your channel. I went though all the steps of simple 30 on that thing and pushed it to the max. Then found thr retropie guy offering a preloaded sd card which I bought and boy did it make that thing just flawless to use and I still drag it out from time to time to play sum super nintendo and gba games
@fredrodnick2881 10 ай бұрын
You have to restart the SNES games sometimes to make them run full speed. Also the history section is good for locating the games you often like to play. The search section is invaluable to find the game your looking for.
@MrProminister Жыл бұрын
6:00 It looks perfect. Back then when we're young the original controller fit perfectly in our small hands. Now we have additonal extra space for our grown larger hands, so we can still have a lot of fun with it. 😂
@fireheadmx Жыл бұрын
The looks are there. Sadly the performance isn't. What's the point of having a SNES controller that can't play SNES games.
@bobbykbobette7426 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all these very solid reviews. Just like you I cannot stand tearing or remanence so these crash tests are super useful !
@justinfs Жыл бұрын
Love the groovy intro and great content as always.
@pfroo40 Жыл бұрын
Fixing the button mapping and customizing the ROM list goes a long way in improving the experience on this. But, I agree about avoiding faster paced games, because the screen tearing is distracting. Anyway, the design is charming enough and it plays a lot well enough that I do find myself picking it up and messing around for a while even though I have several other much better handhelds.
@WickedGamerCollector Жыл бұрын
Whahaha... That beginning .. LOL ! You should do this more often 🤣
@TrexelCat Жыл бұрын
12:27 The "A" and "B" buttons being swapped is actually in line with XBox controllers which have the "A" button on the bottom and the "B" button on the right side. Given that a large portion of handheld/console gamers use XBox styled controllers the configuration of those buttons seem in line with that.
@thejackofclubs Жыл бұрын
i like seeing you mod the buttons, thats a very common thing to do on some controllers, add a piece of plastic or card. you should try it on the center of the dpad.
@pyrohomegym Жыл бұрын
I have been eyeing this up for ages, but I am waiting for you to update us to say that custom firmware is out and it's great.
@leelee7334 Жыл бұрын
My guess is that data frog will release another version with all these sales.
@MarkTengPhoto Жыл бұрын
One thing to note is that you cannot use your own SD card in this device because no CFW exists and you cannot clone the OEM card. I tried using a physical sector clone to another SD card and it fails to load on the device despite having passed verification tests. My guess is that there is some sort of copy protection involved.
@dlroto Жыл бұрын
Can you take the roms off of the ss card?
@MarkTengPhoto Жыл бұрын
@@dlroto yes. However, they use a directory so the game titles remain but you can't launch them.
@Bigbacon 11 ай бұрын
This here is a massive deal breaker even for 25 bucks
@borisyeltsin6606 11 ай бұрын
YES YOU CAN! There is an open source project called 'hsk00' that is designed to let you add/remove/clone the sd for this device. If you see this it might be a good idea to edit your original comment so people know it's possible
@oliwek70 9 ай бұрын
It's still a PITA if you have to ressort to an external tool to add contents. I always avoided iPods or kindle devices because of such restrictions, here on a chinese retrohandeld, with linux or Android based alternatives on the market, it's nonsense to me. Of course if you don't intend to add your own games on such a device (or versions of the games in your own language), it doesn't matter much.
@tenatra 6 ай бұрын
I love this little thing after the tweaks
@01What10 10 ай бұрын
Great review, very comprehensive. Despite the issues; what you get for the price point is definitely worth it. Plus, it comes loaded with tons of games for various systems. It 'ain't perfect, but in a pinch, it's not bad either.
@OVERSKULL87 Жыл бұрын
So glad to see a video on this! (I know it's weird) There is just something really great about a device that comes in at such a low price. Even if I never touch it again it's actually a great little design that I hope pushes chinese low end devices to do better.
@retropursuit992 Жыл бұрын
People have already found what the CPU is so custom firmware will be in the future. I honestly think it's great for 25 dollary doos but should be capable of a lot more with tweaking.
@bnister Жыл бұрын
Knowing what a CPU is doesn't lend to a free SDK automagically appearing. This one's closed source, period.
@mutexS4 Жыл бұрын
what cpu is it?
@bnister Жыл бұрын
@@mutexS4 HCSEMI (海奇半导体) B210
@WalkerRileyMC Жыл бұрын
@@bnister No one said it did lead to something just showing up. But knowing the cpu is a big step forward. Never underestimate the tenacity of gamers wanting cheap shit.
@guardianbeardizer6361 Жыл бұрын
If you place Master System roms in the ROMS folder it'll play those as well. I converted Game Gear roms to SMS & they play great. R button is Start, B is 1, & A is 2
@bankbank Жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to this!
@burnzy3210 Жыл бұрын
There's actually a lot to like about this thing. I wonder if anyone will be able to develop custom firmware.
@sunnygalli Жыл бұрын
@@grundian I think if the firmware experience improves, getting a big 3500 18650 would be worth it and it would likely run for 8-10 hours+
@beowulf1417 Жыл бұрын
Like what? This thing doesn't even perform well playing 16 bit titles. You can spend 4-5 times as much (which is still undeniably cheap) and get something that actually works, can play up to 64 bit era titles without issue and will actually last. This is at best a gimmick gift for a child.
@sunnygalli Жыл бұрын
@@beowulf1417 custom firmware could fix most of the performance issues. It really only need to play GBA and SNES titles well to be good enough IMO.
@bnister Жыл бұрын
The chip in this one doesn't lend to a custom firmware development, unfortunately
@beowulf1417 Жыл бұрын
@@sunnygalli could* being the key word. But someone still needs to actually develop that, there's no guarantees. Not to mention these also use cheaper components in general so the lifespan of the device before something dies or breaks isn't likely to be long. So why bother? Save a little bit more and get something that actually works and will last.
@OniBojan 10 ай бұрын
Hey, just one note. They updated the OS apparently. Because in settings, now there is an option to map the keys.
@gunpowderboardgames 11 ай бұрын
Compared to what we had back in the 70s, this is amazing for the money! (now £15 in the UK) I hope it has Zelda in some form or another. Good review, thanks
@ChaossX77 11 ай бұрын
I'm amazed no other videos mentioned the worthless d-pad. That and the swapped buttons are the biggest deal breakers out of all the issues with the screen tearing right behind them. And so odd the light purple buttons aren't all made concave and vice versa as they got the rest of the look spot on.
@markianclark9645 11 ай бұрын
ChaossX7...i was surprised Russ didn't criticize it much...other reviews and a forum have pointed out this Dpad issue...the method to improve it is fit one from a real SFC/SNES controller...i guess i'll be trying that when mine arrives end of the month...i also grabbed from the forum a link to what the community claim is backup firmware...its the ripped firmware i assume...in case you get corrupted...it'll have to do as there's not gonna be CFW anytime soon...the chip numbers are sanded off...that'll be a challenge to the community...we'll see if the genius hackers ever get past this hurdle...i won't hold my breath
@nopadelik9286 Жыл бұрын
Got mine since two weeks and completely agree to what you said in your video. There's quite some things i really like about it, f.e. that it takes 18650 batteries, btw button top AND flat top. But out of the box as it is, there's much i wish would work better. My guess is, IF we get some custom firmware focussing on better emulation performance, then this thing may become a real gem. And after some searching around with google i learned on reddit that there are quite some people working on that.
@bnister Жыл бұрын
Prove me otherwise, but I don't know a single person working on the custom firmware for any of ALi Tech chips (or clones thereof as used in this handheld). It just gets too damn expensive (time is money) working from the grounds up, and the manufacturer only has a proprietary closed source SDK for this lineup. I've learned some internals via leaked sources, but that's not even remotely enough to go fully custom
@beowulf1417 Жыл бұрын
😂 not only have you contributed to keeping a device in production that'll undoubtedly see most of its units become e-waste in 12 months but you think it has benefits for its price point. Oh my sweet summer child.
@nopadelik9286 Жыл бұрын
@@beowulf1417 have you even watched the video, or at least "likes and dislikes" and the "conclusion" ? Retro Game Corps can't and won't recommend this handheld, and that is what i completely agree to, not as it is. Additionally, i'm an early adopter and ordered one right after it came out, to take a look on it and come to an own opinion. Didn't write a single word about the price, and you obviously did not get what i think.
@beowulf1417 Жыл бұрын
@@nopadelik9286 you bought it and you think custom firmware is a possibility for it. I don't need to put much stock in what you say or think let's just put it that way 😂
@vandarkholme4745 Жыл бұрын
These "aliexpress consoles" brings back memories! Before aliexpress was a thing, you can occasionally see them in larger neighborhood market markets among awful LCD handhelds. They were the usually the cream of the whole toy collection (a couple hundred yuan vs 40 yuan for a bootleg transformer or an LCD handheld) I'd stand there staring at it every time I go for grocery with my mom. With no hope of ever getting a PSP (even if I can save up a few thousand somehow, my mom would never allow it), I'd drool in my sleep over them.
@GYTCommnts Жыл бұрын
Generally, L and R works as "next page" buttons on rom lists, and advance or go back to an entire screen of titles or certain number of them. Did you had the chance to try L and R on rom lists in this case?
@Disthron Жыл бұрын
My experience with Nintendo style cross d-pads in general is that the diagonals are hard to input. It's why I prefer the circle and Plus d-pad like you see on Sega consoles. That little extra plastic gives you something to press on.
@User-gs1dk 11 ай бұрын
It's mind blowing to me that the Sega Saturn/Genesis six button D-pad isn't copied for everything. It's not just the shape of the pad itself but the way it functions underneath.
@N8ertot Жыл бұрын
This device seems pretty underwhelming, but it has gotten me thinking about how cool it would be to have a retro form factor handheld for each big classic console, which is designed as a portable version of that console. In the way that this looks and feels like a portable SNES within that system's controller design, imagine a Genesis or NES or PS1 controller with a screen in the middle. With performance, aspect ratio, and controls finely tuned to fit just those systems, I feel like THAT would make for a cool collectible gift to give family and friends. Like my dad loved the Genesis we had when I was a kid, so I'd like to be able to give him a handheld Genesis that looks and feels familiar and intuitive.
@aidanandreasen2611 Жыл бұрын
I feel like it would be a good move for Nintendo in particular, thanks to their massive back catalog, to sell individual "Game & Watch" style systems like this packaged with a single game each. It would be a smart way to lower the cost of entry to becoming a fan of their games (no $200 console needed) and provide a legal alternative to emulating their oldest titles.
@funnyberries4017 11 ай бұрын
@@aidanandreasen2611 Agreed! If they made an N64 controller that could play the games, that would be a lot of fun.
@giampaolomannucci8281 11 ай бұрын
good luck trying to put a screen in the middle of a genesis controller :D
@MartyrKomplx 11 ай бұрын
@@aidanandreasen2611 packaged with a single game? hell no. maybe game themes. Mario games, classic RPGs, beat-em-ups, arcade fighters. But i sure wouldnt spend what they would inevitably charge for just one classic game.
@marioalfonsoarreolaa.flore2882 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a custom firmware could help with the performance, screen and control issues. It is a shame. I was interested because of the looks of the handheld and the fact that it uses 18650 cells. You dont see that often. Maybe in the future they can offer a better emulation experience at the same price point and when that happens it will be an instabuy for me.
@captain4825 Жыл бұрын
Great review! What handheld would you suggest for a sweet spot of price and best running out the box?
@Disthron Жыл бұрын
About the AV cable... Ok I know this is really obvius, but did you try switching what plug goes into what socket. Some AV cables are wired differently internally for some reason.
@DannerBanks Жыл бұрын
TLDW: Gameboy, NES, Master System, Genesis work. That's it
@ashishgup Жыл бұрын
Boo
@plaplistudios7150 Жыл бұрын
@@ashishgup Yes, I have the same experience. The Snes and GBA play slow
@F4Insight-uq6nt 11 ай бұрын
It seems hard to complain for the asking price.
@dilley_esq 21 күн бұрын
Until it stops working. Then you have a paperweight for $25. True story. Looking for options to revamp this device now.
@X862go 6 күн бұрын
Agreed, I heard it has new firmware. I might check it out for my daughter.
@amd950ex Жыл бұрын
From the RC97 (really old model), the av out is there but no driver was written to utilize the port.
@FromWitchSide Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the dpad information, you saved me the money. I think that is perhaps the highest praise a review can get. Indeed seems like too many issues all around with the device for me as well, it is cheap, but what is the point if I won't be able to enjoy playing on it.
@RiveraMediaStudio Жыл бұрын
Feels like a so close yet so far situstion. This feels like exactly what I wanted but just a little too on the cheap side quality-wise.
@Joshey13 Жыл бұрын
I saw the buzz, picked up one for my kids to go with their rg300. This one seemed to hit the sweet spot, cheap, able to add your own roms, and up to gba for pokemon. I was able to start Pokemon unbound which was kinda cool, seeing how the rg300 wouldn't even open the rom on stock firmware. There was some audio distortion but they can live with it till they can buy their own. ;)
@SilverKnight16 Жыл бұрын
You get a like for the intro alone.
@Nick-hz9no 7 ай бұрын
this deserves another look, gba fix, snes fix, custom themes, and it's all in an exe that makes it a few clicks to fun town... having a blast with this, and aliexpress 15 bucks no shipping... my god brah
@empire0 Жыл бұрын
For the price it really is impressive, but at the same time you're so much better off to pay more for an RG35XX or Miyoo Mini. It would be pretty cool if it gets hacked and tweaked into being more stable, though
@ZombieMan44 7 ай бұрын
It is now
@SpikerDragon95 Жыл бұрын
If they didnt sand out the name of the chip the comunity would made a custom firmware to improve emulation and it gonna be more sales for the company
@bnister Жыл бұрын
The community wouldn't even with the chip in the clear, it only runs closed source software. Sanding off is a penchant of theirs to ward off potential Chinese knockoffs. There's also a software protection, it won't boot the firmware even if cloned 1:1.
@SpikerDragon95 Жыл бұрын
@@bnister aaahhhh man I didnt know that, well I learn something new today
@mattsmedley.onehandedgamin9029 6 ай бұрын
I've got this device, it has got a button mapping option and a favourites list. When on the user roms & settings screen just scroll to the left or right and it's there. As for the other issues 🤗,
@SatoshiMatrix1 Жыл бұрын
Hey Russ, I got one in the mail but the SD card it came with does not work. Many of the files are currupt. Could you please upload a backup of the SD card? I'd like to try experiecing this thing rather than wait the several weeks it would take to get a replacement.
@RetroGameCorps Жыл бұрын
There is already an updated image of the card available from the company, you should be able to flash this to a new card. www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/12zns5d/data_frog_sf2000_updated_image_link_from_data/?
@MsOniHime Жыл бұрын
Alright fine, let's watch the review.
@diodora2381 Жыл бұрын
It's such a piece of trash. I got it a week ago. It's literally awful and miserable to use. But it's also only $25. I feel like this pushes the limit of how low the experience can be. How miserable it can get. I got a headache and eye strain playing this. It was awful.
@alpmaster0076 Жыл бұрын
Real question do I need this if I already have the Retroid Pocket 3,RG503 and RG552 and RG505? 😅
@alpmaster0076 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the SN30, which I loved.
@alpmaster0076 Жыл бұрын
GBA sounds slow?
@Something_dumb Жыл бұрын
Yeah I wouldn’t buy it
@ulissesjunior5280 Жыл бұрын
I might get one to use the abxy buttons for my switch mod
@darkally1235 Жыл бұрын
I ordered one after seeing another video. While it's unfortunate that it isn't really capable enough for SNES & GBA I'm sure I will have fun playing NES, GB & GBC games (after fixing the button mapping).
@Humanshield11 Жыл бұрын
I have been watching RGC for awhile now and I am so used to the very polite intros that the absolute sass in the first 5 seconds had me cracking up.
@Rayanaminge Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen other people say that if you close and open the SNES games a few times, they run much much smother. Overall, thanks for the video. Always hitting the technical and higher details. Hopefully there will e some custom firmware hitting this guy soon! Would be a great gift for kids.
@TheInternetIsDeadToMe Жыл бұрын
Smoother, but still pretty badly.
@Rayanaminge Жыл бұрын
@@TheInternetIsDeadToMe yea, I figured. It's a shame, but maybe custom firmware can help
@spikmin Жыл бұрын
Hilarious change of pace. Honestly hope to see you review more terrible products like this in the future.
@DonWeaselYeehawEdition Жыл бұрын
That’s the sassiest Retro Game Corp opening I’ve ever seen 😂 great video!
@billmore6486 Жыл бұрын
Gotta be a word for these super cheap devices that seem like bad value. E waste?
@kevinchristopher1443 Жыл бұрын
Landfill. One thing none of these channels have questioned (that i've seen) is the batteries in these super cheap products and what's going to happen with them over the next 1-5 to 10 years. Just more cheapo toxic battery mess being generated over and over
@inconspicuousalien519 Жыл бұрын
Dang "for a device that is essentially e waste".... burn.
@arie1293 Жыл бұрын
For the composite out you might try powering up while the cable is inserted in the device as it might only enable it at boot time if detected.
@RetroGameCorps Жыл бұрын
Yep, tried it and a few other tricks, I ended up not mentioning it in the voiceover because I figured everyone would assume that I would run it through a variety of tests :D
@dakotahrickard 11 ай бұрын
I know the hype on this is calming down a little, but when custom firmware does drop, would you be willing to do a reprise on this, discussing what the CFW fixes, what it doesn't, etc. Also, this device offers secondary wireless controllers, which seems both awesome and rather silly, given the screen size, but since you got so excited about the Miyoo's multiplayer, what's your take on this? Can you pair and play multiple controllers to more expensive devices, either by USB hub or bluetooth? I can see some marginal but compelling use cases, particularly with nicer/larger consoles.
@hihellokitty85 Жыл бұрын
So, your opinion is, not worth it even for $25...
@clpr635 Жыл бұрын
That is a e-waste in my opinion
@burnzy3210 Жыл бұрын
USB type C? Common user serviceable battery? Firmware stored on SD card instead of soldered chip? Community driven improvements? I don't buy the e-waste angle, sorry
@zgillet Жыл бұрын
@@burnzy3210 absolute trash chip? Everything else is moot. We have a well-designed paperweight.
@burnzy3210 Жыл бұрын
@@zgillet What is the chip?
@zgillet Жыл бұрын
@@burnzy3210 20:06
@burnzy3210 Жыл бұрын
@@zgillet well it's a $20 system, it plays 8bit systems just fine and _some_ higher systems
@jjwhy321y3 Жыл бұрын
I'm playing older pokemon games on my Miyoo Mini. Having a fast speed is insanely beneficial. It's also nice also having a favorites list. I'll wait for the next data frog.
@cs2n845 Жыл бұрын
I'm totally behind on what handhelds are good now that there have been so many released this year. I think I need to wait for a mid/end of year round up.
@Ludanc0 Жыл бұрын
This console is just a reshell of the same board they allways sell, its trash.
@gustavinus Жыл бұрын
The 18650 battery is quite nice. I have many of those lying around and it is easy to savage them from old batteries.
@PhyloDT Жыл бұрын
13:03 If you put the gameboy roms in the gb color folder, would that run them with the color palette options?
@ronaldclayton4232 Жыл бұрын
I've had mine for a few days,the good is the build quality,button placement, replaceable battery,and the analog stick is awesome for a device this cheap,it's as smooth as a device that costs $100 or more so the d pad not being able to point at a 45 degree angle really isn't a deal breaker.The bad is not only do some of the SNES run bad(which is almost certain for something that costs $30 or less)but on this device a lot of the GBA games are affected too, every other emulator and all it's games including all the MAME games I've played run just fine as far as I can tell.Ive got 2 other devices that cost me less than $30 one being a variation the X9 handheld and both seem to run all GBA games just fine.
@greensun1334 Жыл бұрын
As a fighting game ethusiast, the mushy d-pad would be a dealbreaker for me. But I just have to replace the membrane, like I already did with my SNES mini controller (they got worn out), it's the same construction. Seems easy, I will buy it!
@greensun1334 Жыл бұрын
Edit: seems to have to much emulation issues and no native button mapping option. Together with the bad button quality/feeling, it's just not worth to mess around with all those flaws. I regret buying it, not even for the cheap price.
@BertieJasokie Жыл бұрын
The 18650 battery completely sold me. Its probably the most common lithium battery size.
@PieInTheSky9 Жыл бұрын
Got this for my niece, she plays gameboy and gameboy color games on it and loves it.
@peppyelvis 11 ай бұрын
After all this time thats passed and the updates that came. Are you going to do another video on this device?
@jzdpd 6 ай бұрын
this deserves another look, i got one for 10 bucks and most of your dislikes are pretty much “fixed” now in the latest software update. plus there’s a new way to play multiple systems now that’s hijacked within the GBA core.
@AE-bm4no 4 ай бұрын
Screen tearing and SNES performance is fixed? By how much is the performance fixed? 100% would be great since it's basically supposed to be an SNES emulator
@janX9 2 ай бұрын
@@AE-bm4nodon't quote me on this but I think it runs all SNES games except the ones that use the FX & FX² chips. So no star Fox or mario world 2. I'm not sure what other games used those chips. Not many though.
@DwarFStrider 10 ай бұрын
Good review, but the performance issues seem to be resolved after an update according to another channel’s review. Maybe look into that!
@bdanka50 Жыл бұрын
Russ, this device is almost exactly your logo 😂 Also - as for the AV out on that - try switching the yellow/red cables on the Video/audio in for the TV. I have some devices where the rings on the 3.5 mm plug are reversed, so the video is actually the red plug!
@TaylorSoloaiJR 10 ай бұрын
In order to have the video working on the TV, you need to push the 2.5mm jack all the way in until you feel a click.
@LogosGaming 8 ай бұрын
if you unscrew a little bit the D pad side screw the 3 left ones the d pad will work better, you can even do the same in the board, there are 3 screw the one in the side of the d pad should not b very tight
@heyitslissa23 6 ай бұрын
Yes they do have a favorite setting, i have all of my favorite games save to play when I need them.
@johnbailey1428 10 ай бұрын
You may not see this but I just want to thank you. Because of your review i will be buying this item as my first cheap emulator. Im not a hardcore gamer but i get a nostagia bug and from what ive seen i think its worth the $33 that i found it for. Thank you for the review without it i may have passed up emulators.
@jordanzhouse Жыл бұрын
What’s the best alternative to this as far as size/style and out of the box/ready to play ability? I’m fine with a higher price point, if it’s going to be similar in those aspects!
@colinmartin9797 Жыл бұрын
For the A/V, you didn't mention if you tried turning the handheld off, plugging it in, and turning the handheld on again. I found this to be the most reliable way to get my 35xx to work on my TV, I think the detection for the A/V port is not dependent on being plugged in, but looked for on boot. NGL I like that stupid menu music, too, lol. It'd be neat if garlicOS for the 35xx could incorporate some kind of user-changeable boot audio like a console. I'd love some kind of ultra scuffed gamecube boot audio with my "SUPER ILLEGAL ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM" boot screen.
@MyNameIsBucket Жыл бұрын
In my experience, some TVs simply won't detect an RCA signal if you're only using mono sound.
@hanswurstsenior3586 Жыл бұрын
You can scroll up/down a page with left/right. It's not really fast, but better than clicking up/down all the way. And did you try to boot up with the av cable inside? Maybe that will work?
@RetroGameCorps Жыл бұрын
Yep, I tried all the things with the AV cable, no dice unfortunately.
@Carlosr721 Жыл бұрын
Are the pre loaded roms and roms you add any different in performance?
@HPPrintervx4p5q Жыл бұрын
What would you rather have, the rog ally or like thirty of these?
@Cyclops1980 Жыл бұрын
About those sanded down chips, if you put a dab of isopropyl alcohol (ipa) on them you can sometimes make out the writing. try different angles. also try macrolens on your phone. and if you are desperate microscope :-) all with a ton of light.
@sarmatiko 11 ай бұрын
It's currently on sale for 10-13$ on Ali so I'm really tempted to buy it and just wait for Custom Firmware (which is in early stages of development). Lack of PC Engine library is a dealbreaker for me, but for that price I can just wait while playing my MM+
@CenturionKZ 11 ай бұрын
Please, provide some links where they sell it for $10-13 ?
@sarmatiko 11 ай бұрын
@@CenturionKZ for the record, 10-13$ prices are on com and us Ali versions. russian counterpart shows the price as 10 570 ₸ from the same sellers so maybe you out of luck with this offer if ru site is primary in Kazakhstan.
@xenosora6412 11 ай бұрын
When you had us listening to that music that can't be stopped it reminded me of waiting for a representative on a customer service phone call 😂
@johanlaurasia 3 ай бұрын
I didn't have any issues getting it to work on my TVs composite input.
@SWPLGAMING Жыл бұрын
Yeah the price makes things more forgiving for sure. I found it super easy to do fireballs and dragon punches with the dpad, maybe I was just lucky. These cheap devices are always fun😂
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